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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe blockade of Gaza should take place simultaneously with the ceasing of rockets into Israel.
If this is not part of the agreement, I fear Hama will not accept any cease fire agreement that puts discussion of removing the blockade to a later time.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Abbas has now taken that position as well.
hack89
(39,181 posts)lets not forget why Israel implemented the blockade in the first place.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)as Hamas acquires enough offensive weapons to actually threaten Israel. What do you think Gaza will look like after such a war?
Making Hamas stronger makes the reoccupation of Gaza and the destruction of Hamas a near certainty.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)they have the firepower to flatten Gaza without a soldier entering Gaza. 2000 lb JDAM bombs are devastating - right now they are using small missiles to minimize damage.
Hezbollah had a huge military advantage of lots of land giving them room to maneuver. They also had room to retreat if necessary. Hamas has no such advantage - the IDF will fix them in place and level the buildings they are fighting from.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)and uses those weapons to kill thousands of Israeli citizens (which is the obvious result of your desires) then international law says Israel can respond in a like manner to eliminate the threat.
The obvious solution is to make sure Hamas never gets that capability.
malaise
(296,089 posts)as if that is possible.
ann---
(1,933 posts)why should Israel be allowed to "defend" itself, yet the Palestinians are not? Apartheid is wrong. America knows that but ignores what Bibi Yahoo is doing.
Fozzledick
(3,921 posts)and lifting the blockade would only make it easier for them to rearm and continue the violence.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)you really don't want Israel to start using their firepower.
anti partisan
(429 posts)That doesn't sound like a "fair fight" now, does it?
hack89
(39,181 posts)it would be. The point is the present fighting is low on the lethality scale. As Hamas gets more effective weapons, the wars will become increasingly more and more lethal - and Gaza will suffer proportionately more.
anti partisan
(429 posts)Or maybe there would be enough deterrent for them to stop their belligerent policies and there would be something resembling peace.
hack89
(39,181 posts)so what is to be done. Let Hamas arm themselves and light the fuse on greater suffering. Or find away to ensure Hamas has no offensive capabilities. Why not let Hamas have short range defensive weapons and forgo long range rockets?
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)Much more merciful to settle the matter quickly and decisively instead of letting fester, IMO.
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anti partisan
(429 posts)As more of a demilitarization type, I don't support this, but I've had it with all these inane arguments against the idea of letting the inhabitants of Gaza not starve and suffer in poverty.
You know, maybe they wouldn't be likely to fire homemade rockets if their lives weren't so bad?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Maybe their lives wouldn't be so bad?
Seems priorities are a bit off...
anti partisan
(429 posts)And the majority suffer as a result.
Don't say "they" as if the majority of the Palestinians support rockets over food.
I don't support rocket shooting either, it's counterproductive to peace. Heck, so dumb that the conspiracy theorists seem to think that Israel is helping supply them with rockets so that they have a pretext to launch an offensive.
hack89
(39,181 posts)which is why stopping Hamas from rearming is in the best interest of all involved.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)as a Jewish homeland. Lets not forget that Hamas was founded with the goal of "liberating" all of Palestine from the Jews.
They will have to be reasonable on certain things, especially right of return.
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hack89
(39,181 posts)because you know what that will mean - more rockets, more suicide bombers. Why is it so hard for them to say they will accept a Jewish state to reassure Israel?
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)accepts the right of Palestinians to return to their homes or be paid reparations for the theft of their land by Israel.
hack89
(39,181 posts)they have made offers to the Palestinians several times before. They even withdrew from Gaza as a ill conceived good will gesture.
Reparations are reasonable as long as they are part of a package that pays reparations to the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled from Arab lands post Israeli independence.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)That will work out well. They've always been such peaceful and trustworthy sorts.