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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMike Adams (of NaturalNews), Monsanto, Nazis, and a Very Disturbing Article
Free speech is good, but does this go too far? Certainly, from an ethical standpoint it does. No?
Link to the article with the same title as the thread title:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/22/mike-adams-monsanto-nazis-disturbing-article/
From the article by Keith Kloor:
"...
... after reading the latest piece on GMOs by Adams, I have to wonder if he is literally dangerous. Heres the title of his piece:
Biotech genocide, Monsanto collaborators and the Nazi legacy of science as justification for murder
Heres how it starts:
(NaturalNews) Monsanto is widely recognized as the most hated and most evil corporation on the planet. Even so, several internet-based media websites are now marching to Monsantos orders, promoting GMOs and pursuing defamatory character assassination tactics against anyone who opposes GMOs, hoping to silence their important voices.
These Monsanto collaborator sites tend to be leftist publications but also include at least one prominent business and finance publisher on the political right. All of them are Monsanto collaborators who have signed on to accelerate heinous crimes being committed against humanity under the false promise of feeding the world with toxic GMOs.
This is the mind of a person who Dr. Oz proudly brought on his show earlier in the year. Heres the sentence from above I want you to keep in mind as you keep reading: All of them are Monsanto collaborators who have signed on to accelerate heinous crimes being committed against humanity
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Kloor followed that piece with another today:
Mike Adams Elevates his Ugly Anti-GMO Campaign
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/24/mike-adams-elevates-ugly-anti-gmo-campaign/#.U9Eyc_ldWGc
I have no intention of discussing GMOs on this thread. I'm curious about people's thoughts regarding such rhetoric, which seems to be more common as time goes on. Of course, I could be very wrong about that, but anyway. This is deeply disturbing to me, at least.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Glad yer back.
Sid
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)underpants
(182,736 posts)Marking for later read
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)This type of push could lead to actual violence. It's not without precedent.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Nice try.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thank you for your comment.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Can you clarify the meaning for me? Thanks!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)who is now head of Mothers Demand Action, formerly One Million Moms for Gun Control (which she founded). Her gun control efforts are now reportedly funded by Bloomberg.
Monsanto is into Everything, and it goes way beyond the Beltway. Like the Koch Bros., it seems particularly interested in burnishing its image with perceived liberal or progressive groups, causes, and sites.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)My big concern, maybe something Adams should have dealt with more, is the way in which Monsanto and other corporations have moved beyond lobby/public official revolving doors to influencing groups and organizations beyond the string-pullers in D.C. I am struck, too, by some critics if Monsanto who see its "tentacles" creeping into every corner of the culture, but whistle pass Shannon Watts' efforts for some peculiar reason.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Take care.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)The internet has greatly advanced the various science denier movements. On the one hand, people doing shoddy, agenda driven "research" are finding, and creating, pay-to-publish print and online journals that give an appearance of legitimacy to their claims, which are then immediately trumpeted as "proofs" of science denier positions by the anti-science movement generally. Lately these "developments" are monitored closely by the lay press, which often parrots them as "science," when in fact they're the polar opposite of good science. Widespread scientific illiteracy among their readership makes science denial even easier. We've seen this recently with, for example, the Seralini BS.
On the other hand, this creates a climate of science denial that supports-- and arguably even needs-- rhetoric like you've posted. Over the top hyperbole without rational intellectual boundaries, the more strident and angry the better. It plays well to the outraged passion of the anti-science movement who see themselves as Davids opposing the Goliaths of universities and businesses conducting and commercializing scientific research. Like conservatism generally, it becomes an essentially political game of entrenching opposing "sides," with actual objective truth completely discounted as beside the point, especially when it contradicts the science denial movement's biases.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)...
What Adams is saying is 'screw science, I KNOW BETTER.'
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)If they advocate violence against those websites directly than that's one thing, but otherwise they are probably in the clear.
That said, it's one thing to talk about what people should be allowed to say and what they should say. While I think they should be allowed to say this stuff, I also think that they go too far towards painting people who disagree with them as monsters.
Bryant
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The scary thing is that Adams has now singled out one journalist, and he has linked readers to a page inspired by his first tirade. That page lists a number of journalists and publication as "collaborators."
mathematic
(1,434 posts)He says this:
"All of them are Monsanto collaborators who have signed on to accelerate heinous crimes being committed against humanity "
And later this:
"it is the moral right -- and even the obligation -- of human beings everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged in heinous crimes against humanity. This fundamental philosophical truth..."
He updated his post with a website that lists these collaborators. Thirteen names of actual human beings, including Keith Kloor, who wrote the article in the OP.
I have no idea what legal standards are regarding restricting speech that advocates violence but if this doesn't meet them then it's as close to line without going over that you can get.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)the edge with their constant pro-corporate bullshit.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Hmmm.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Four years ago when my new wife introduced me to his writing he seemed like a slightly strident truth-teller. Now we both agree he's just gone bat-shit crazy. We just ignore him now.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Maybe he thinks he has to jack up the rhetoric more and more to keep the cash flowing.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It feels more like some form of progressive mental illness to me.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)As a mental health provider, I'm not a fan of diagnosing people outside of the clinic. Still, I won't deny that my "personality disorder" bells go off when it comes to Adams. Cheers!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)that you'll ever see on the interweb.
Orac details the dumbassery here:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/09/03/mike-adams-puts-chicken-mcnuggets-under-the-microscope-hilarity-ensues/
Read and enjoy.
Edit: the wootube video here:
Sid
Delphinus
(11,830 posts)I used to listen to him, but he got so off the wall (even for me) that I had to stop reading what he had to say.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Evidently and increasingly paranoid moron.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)"They" have always engaged in this type of inflammatory rhetoric (while misinforming/misleading) and they have always done it with great charm, charisma and polish. They are skilled at this. Their messages are slick, sleek and very easy to understand (regardless of the absence of truth/fact)
While I feel the rhetoric has been around for eons ... todays ability to rapidly disseminate information (or in this case, mis-information) has increased the potential for harm exponentially.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I've been wondering about sci-fi. I'm not a big sci-fi, but I've read my fair share. It seems like most plots focus on overbearing government or corporate entities creating horrific futures. Has anyone done a plot where conspiracy theories run so rampant that the people who follow them create the horrific future? I'm starting to wonder if that story might not be the most likely one to occur in the real world.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)"NOTE: The GLP has been able to confirm that Adams is indeed the mastermind and financier behind the Monsanto Collaborators website. The story has now taken an even more bizarre twist, as Adams, facing multiple investigations from law enforcement officials, including the FBI, is now trying to make it appear that not only did he not oversee the project, but that it was a set up by Monsanto in a twisted plot to discredit anti-GMO critics."