Russian Newspaper Runs Front Page Apology For MH17

[conservaphobe]

A leading Russian newspaper has issued an apology on its front page, asking for forgiveness from the people of the Netherlands who lost their loved ones in the Malaysian Airlines plane crash.

The front page of Novaya Gazeta on Friday featured the words "Vergeef ons, Nederlands" (Forgive Us, Netherlands) in bold above a heartbreaking image of the line of hearses carrying MH17 victim's bodies.

Novaya Gazeta, a liberal newspaper, is well known for its anti-Putin position. The front page will certainly spark a reaction as Russia continues to deny that it had any role in shooting down the plane. A top pro-Russian separatist said this week that Ukrainian rebels did have the capability to take down the airliner. The commander later denied those claims, stating that he was misquoted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/russian-newspaper-apology-malaysian-plane-forgiveness-mh17_n_5620481.html

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. What a beautiful gesture...

[RobertEarl]

54. It really is beautiful

But looking below we see some turn the beauty into a smashing of DUers who seek only understanding and peace in the world.

They have used a beautiful gesture for their own propaganda. Another DU thread which had such promise: ruined.

[calimary]

2. Wow!

Things that need to be said. And shown. Even if it's only on some little kick-it-to-the-curb "liberal" newspaper.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. The emperor will not be amused

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. +1

[IronGate]

6. I love it!!!!! LOL. nt.

[conservaphobe]

7. Nice. :-) nt

[Jack Rabbit]

39. Credit for the Tsar's portrait

Please click here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. How long before this newspaper is shut down?

[randome]

9. Just what I was thinking.

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[Tarheel_Dem]

20. There's a very heavy price for reporting outside the Kremlin's very strict guidelines.

[GliderGuider]

8. A newspaper editor is destined for the furnace.

Bound to a board with piano wire. Feet first. Alive.

[Schlomo Morgenstern]

10. Where is Putin's apology?

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[zeemike]

11. seriously, that kind of a gif reminds me of right wing propaganda.

But I guess if it is against Putin it's OK?

[uhnope]

12. yes, if it's a slam on an effin dictator like Putin...

it is okay!

[zeemike]

14. So the end justifies the means.

And dishonesty is now OK as long as it is against Putin...or others we want a war with.
Has the left become morally corrupt too?

[uhnope]

16. apparently, Putin supporters can't tell the difference between a cartoon and reality

Unless you were joking. I'm sure you know a gif is a cartoon, not a documentary film, right?

[zeemike]

21. Cartoons have always been a part of propaganda.

Hitler used they quite effectively against the Jews...and the right wing does it all the time against Obama...would you like a link to some of them so you can see for yourself?

And I have seen many cartoons about black people too...hey it was just for a laugh because it is a cartoon...right?
Cartoons is not a get out of responsibility card


charge...http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/sturmer.htm

[11 Bravo]

37. Godwin called. He said to tell you, "YOU LOSE!"

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. +1

[zeemike]

42. Right, looking at history for lessons is a violation of Godwin's law.

What a wonderful law that is...can be applied to history as well.

[uhnope]

38. but you called it "dishonest". It's a cartoon. It's not supposed to tell us

Putin literally went hunting for the plane. It's stupid to even have to write this. As a cartoon, it is giving a graphic opinion of how the malicious and negligent attitude of Putin and the Russian gov led to the downing of an airliner and the death of all those passengers.

I honestly think the last couple weeks of bad news and tragedies has knocked some Putin sympathizers off balance, so they can't think straight about these things.

[zeemike]

41. And if that was a cartoon about Obama and Benghazi

And depicted Obama in that way what would you say?

"It's stupid to even have to write this. As a cartoon, it is giving a graphic opinion of how the malicious and negligent attitude of Obama and the American gov led to the murder of an ambassador and the death of all those Americans.

Is truth the answer to that?...should truth be our principle or just something that is optional depending on whether we hate them or not?

And honestly I think the last few years has deformed our sense of justice and fair play to where we now are becoming like the right wing we pretend to hate.

[NYC Liberal]

52. Only if it were true that Obama was negligent, and that led to the Benghazi attack.

If it WERE true, then such a cartoon would be right on point.

It IS true about Putin and MH17. So this cartoon is on point.

[zeemike]

55. Is that your opinion based on some facts I don't know about?

The right has as much evidence about Benghazi as you do about Putin shooting down that plain.
If it is right for you it is right for them.

[NYC Liberal]

56. Nobody here is claiming Putin "shot down that plane".

Try again.

[zeemike]

68. Well the "cartoon" I replied to did.

Just as blatantly as can be...and there was a rush to defend it...and then you tell me no one here is not actually saying it...standing on the technicality of words.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. Criticism of Putin = Warmongering. Ever notice it's the same group who have a problem with Obama?

The most virulent anti Obama posters seem to be the most avid Putin boosters. Gee, I wonder what the connection is?

[Cha]

49. Putin's protectors who are hatin' on the USA and just love what Putin has done with Russia

definitely don't like Luckovich's commentary on "putin's soul."



TOD

And, yes I have noticed how these same putin protectors don't mind spreading whatever the ignorant crap du jour is on President Obama. And, never give him credit for Anything.. but whine big time when facts are stated about putin and his RT propaganda outlet.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. My dear Cha, that image speaks volumes. I know it's not strictly enforced, but there are.....

rules to some of the America hate we're seeing at DU. The TOS says it's not welcome here, and RT still = Kremlin Crapola.

[Cha]

60. Yes, it does speak volumes, Tarheel.. Luckovich gets it!

[NYC Liberal]

57. Oh, I've definitely noticed.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. It's inescapable. Like I said, they're as transparent as mud.

[RobertEarl]

61. What is transparent

Some of you are taking a beautiful gesture of real humanity and using it for your own propaganda, even going so far as to beat up on fellow DUers who want nothing more than world peace and understanding.

Shameful exposition, and so transparent it's revolting.

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. Everything you said, but in reverse.

[RobertEarl]

63. Sad

Why beat up on DUers who only want peace?

The exposition here of dumping on good DU people is a really nasty show.

[RobertEarl]

63. Sad

Why beat up on DUers who only want peace?

The exposition here of dumping on good DU people is a really nasty show.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. So sad, you had to post it twice, huh?

[RobertEarl]

66. Computer Glitch

Having a hard time defending the shameful exposition?

Well, there is no excuse, so I am not surprised.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. Huh! I think we're done here RE, you have a good one now, mmmkay?

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Link for "Putin...or others we want a war with"?

[zeemike]

23. Sorry no links to my head

Because it is my opinion and that comes from my head...access denied.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. So the rest of us are somehow responsible for the shit you make up in your head?

[IronGate]

27. Good one.

[Bobbie Jo]

30. !

[LanternWaste]

28. I like to blame other people for the wholly irrelevant thoughts that pop up in my brain too.

I like to blame other people for the wholly irrelevant thoughts that pop up in my brain too.

[zeemike]

31. Like the advertising industry.

That runs adds that make you want to buy things, or make you afraid not to.

It's not their fault, it is your fault, because you fall for them.

So there we have the rule, you can't complain when they pump peoples heads full of shit because it is their fault.

[socialist_n_TN]

45. What "left"?.....

Some folks might THINK they're "left", but supporters of neo-liberal corporatism are NOT left. Even if they do support gay marriage and a few other social issues.

[zeemike]

46. It is the label they chose for themselves.

Like those who call themselves Christians and ignore the teachings of the Christ...as long as you own the label you don't have to worry about principles.

[socialist_n_TN]

47. Yep. That's why I don't like self-identifying types of polls...

It's much more accurate to go by what people say about ISSUES. And especially economic issues.

[joshcryer]

59. I'll support pro-gay corporatism over anti-gay fascism.

Any day.

[IronGate]

15. What's RW about it?

Or is it because it's aimed at Pootie Poot that you deem it to be RW?

[uhnope]

18. Bizarre when RW Putin defenders complain about RWers in USA

[IronGate]

19. Ain't that the truth.

[zeemike]

29. See post 16.

And I have seen right wing cartoons against Obama and many others...you would be amazed just how many there are...I have been receiving them in email from a right winer I know for over 20 years...so I think I understand them real well.
It is the art of the personal attack...

And you then suggest that I love Putin...now how could that be true?...I don't know him and he is not my leader...I like most people know little or nothing about Russia so how could I love him?

What you are seeing is when you look at me is a disillusioned liberal because I see liberalism resorting to the same thing the right does and supports, and I no longer believe, and question everything.
But don't get me wrong, I don't make the judgment about things based on what I see on the TV or hear in the MSM...nor do I believe it or trust it just because I read it on a liberal board.

I call it like I see it, and that is how I see it.

[uhnope]

32. you doth protest too much--you're a regular Putin/Russia gov promoter and defender

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on posts here. So what's up?

[zeemike]

44. Well I am glad you know what box to put me in.

Because there are only two types of boxes, for us and against us.

[IronGate]

34. Geez, you don't think we can read and know where you stand?

BTW, I did spend a year in Russia on a Fire Service exchange program, the people there are wonderful, the govt.? Not so much.

[zeemike]

43. Which can also be said of the USA.

Although I think that the people in the USA are becoming less wonderful all the time now that we have been divided into waring camps.

And even here on DU we are waring camps...even on this issue with the ones who believe that Putin is the new monster in the world and those who would never stoop to being a part of that kind of jingoism.
And the believers will insist that we all must agree Putin is a monster...and those who resent it will fight back even if it means not recognizing any truth in it if it should exist...or just STFU about it and let the rest of the world go nuts with the crazy hate talk, and let the MIC drag us down another path to war and economic ruin.

But we won't be able to blame it on the GOP this time...it is us that is dong it.

[IronGate]

48. Ok, that's a fair assessment.

Have a good evening.

[freshwest]

13. FWIW, that's a very touching cover there. Very sad, too.

[Uncle Joe]

25. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, conservaphobe.

[uhnope]

33. seconded. good to know there is one tiny corner of journalistic freedom left in Russia

[stevenleser]

26. K&R

Putin apologists should be ashamed of themselves.

[davidpdx]

36. +1

[BeyondGeography]

35. Kick

[Cha]

50. The Tweets from Muscovites were coming in early acknowledging their responsibility unlike putin..

Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe Follow

Muscovites leaving flowers and candles by the Dutch embassy in #Moscow. One note says “Forgive us."

5:45 PM - 17 Jul 2014

154 Retweets 53 favorites

mahalo conservaphobe

[oldandhappy]

53. Beautiful gesture.

Conservaphobe, do you have any way of tracking what happens to the paper that ran this? My trust is zero that it will last after publishing this.

Thank you for the post.