Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:06 AM

This is not a "war", it is a pogrom in a ghetto, the Gaza ghetto is like the Warsaw ghetto.

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"A Pew Research Center poll released Monday showed that a plurality of Democrats across the country, 35 percent, and liberals, 44 percent, said that Israel had “gone too far” in its response to its conflict with Hamas. Meanwhile 47 percent of Democrats told Gallup that Israel’s actions during the current conflict were “unjustified,” compared to just 31 percent who thought the opposite."

To be ignored and sent to jury.......ignored in the media, ignored by our own progressive heroes.....

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Israelis want a "final solution", having apparently forgotten their own history.

War is between relatively equal sides, no war ends up with 1300 civilians killed on one side and 2 on the other, anyone care to weigh in on the math?

Meanwhile cowardly American politicians hide behind chest beating symbolic votes and ship more ammo to Israel as a gift, hoping to keep their fundraising intact and not be attacked by the compliant media...as hundreds of children are torn part limb by limb in their sleep as they
lay in "protected" UN shelters.

As evil as the slaughter is the evil of the American media advancing evil lies and war crimes by the dozens. The human shield argument is so lame as to be a war crime itself, but criminals always have their own sick mind justifications, do they not?

Did you get the part where Israel gets to or has to, I have not figured that out yet, to buy more ammo and weapons.....directly from the American manufacturers? Because the hereto before secret stash of a billion dollars already in Israel, provided by you as a taxpayer, is not enough. Not enough to continue the killing at the pace Bibi wants. How sick is that!

America and Israel belong on the same psych ward, and in the same courtroom.

And yes, I am directly attacking Israel. Israel is wrong and the dead children are dead right, so take me to the jury for my whipping, I am man enough to defend myself and the dead at the same time.

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This is not a "war", it is a pogrom in a ghetto, the Gaza ghetto is like the Warsaw ghetto. (Original post)	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	OP
That way of seeing it hadn't occurred to me	get the red out	Jul 2014	#1
Bullshit.	Archae	Jul 2014	#2
How many Israeli children dead? Math is not propaganda, never is, oh heartless one!?	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#3
Anyone who claims either side is free of the blood of children is an exploiter of dead children.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2014	#10
Israel is free of the blood of children, even as it flows like wine in the Gaza Ghetto. Any evidence	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#12
Anyone who claims either side is free of the blood of children is an exploiter of dead children.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2014	#17
a simple question was posed to you	frylock	Jul 2014	#27
so, Hamas' inability to achieve their goal of Israeli civilian casualties	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2014	#37
never said that..	frylock	Jul 2014	#145
The Palestinians aren't nearly as proficient	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#165
so, again, because they suck at killing Israelis	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2014	#170
If the Israelis lift the blockade	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#178
if you believe that the attacks would stop	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2014	#197
Why wouldn't they?	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#204
yes... Hamas hates them that much n/t	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2014	#205
Considering what's been going on	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#207
The West Bank is mostly peaceful	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#213
the rockets stopped for nearly 2 years	frylock	Jul 2014	#253
so what have gay folk done to the likes of Hamas	dsc	Jul 2014	#221
Hell, I have neighbors	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#234
you say that if Israel just did what Hamas wants then Hamas wouldn't want to kill them	dsc	Jul 2014	#239
Hamas can want to kill all the Jews	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#246
Some questions are too hard to answer. Thankfully no Israeli children have died, yet. However	sabrina 1	Jul 2014	#142
yes, i agree that is something we can all be thankful for	frylock	Jul 2014	#254
how many Israel children	Billy Budd	Jul 2014	#91
A quick google will tell you...	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#93
Still zero in the latest slaughter.....is all I said.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#94
I was referring to current Gaza slaughter	Billy Budd	Jul 2014	#101
Kind of obvious, right? Straw men are a dime a dozen these dark days.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#111
The above poster is heavily obfuscating	superpatriotman	Jul 2014	#117
Question asked was answered with verifiable facts. Zero opinion, spin or obfuscation nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#124
Re read. Agreed.	superpatriotman	Jul 2014	#128
The question asked was clearly about the current slaughter of Palestinian children in Gaza. And	sabrina 1	Jul 2014	#144
No spin?	Caretha	Jul 2014	#225
28 people killed	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#168
How many Israeli children	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#162
And the Palestinians are the victims. I do not understand - are Hamas and Palestinian the same? No,	jwirr	Jul 2014	#22
Well, let's see now...	Archae	Jul 2014	#24
Why does the argument "Israel has a right to defend itself" work for Isreal,	FourScore	Jul 2014	#38
The argument does not work, it is just repeated ad nauseam. Old propaganda trick that the	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#47
Because Israel is using the old Bush/Cheney Reich-Wing playbook....	Galraedia	Aug 2014	#307
Are you telling me that there were not people who cheered the US going into Afghanistan and	1monster	Jul 2014	#81
yep, same reason conservapuke Christian Extremists here cheered the ginned up war	BlancheSplanchnik	Jul 2014	#177
And....	jberryhill	Jul 2014	#90
ABC also	Enthusiast	Jul 2014	#120
Thank you. So many blinded by the blatant propaganda, the American media is a crime scene.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#121
+1	uponit7771	Jul 2014	#126
What was "faked up" about it?	Common Sense Party	Aug 2014	#286
The celebration was not for 911.	Enthusiast	Aug 2014	#290
Wrong.	Common Sense Party	Aug 2014	#292
Sorry.	Enthusiast	Aug 2014	#293
Hamas is about 1,100 men	intaglio	Jul 2014	#26
Just like the Native Americans were at war with the US, especially circa 1880s and beyond...	1monster	Jul 2014	#75
BS	lark	Jul 2014	#86
You appear to be a great practitioner of the Ethics of Convenience.	LanternWaste	Jul 2014	#102
I just made that comment in the HOA thread	Capt. Obvious	Jul 2014	#105
So you are blaming other Palestinians for the actions of Hamas?	treestar	Jul 2014	#136
...	BlindTiresias	Jul 2014	#156
He's talking about half of Gaza.	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#186
Even if true, how does that justify killing civilians by the hundreds?	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#272
I'm impressed. Man enought to defend behing a computer screen. Ooh baby I'm impressed.	HERVEPA	Jul 2014	#4
Truth is gonna get you hurt, propaganda makes it go away, not thinking of the children brings sleep.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#7
"We" are not amused	Caretha	Jul 2014	#244
You have multiple personalities?	HERVEPA	Aug 2014	#294
Israeli military strength in part:	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#5
That is the stupidest OP I saw all day.	Bonobo	Jul 2014	#6
Stupid enough for you to point it out, guess others may have an opinion also. Take it to the jury,	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#8
It doesn't surprise me you would post that. n/t	FourScore	Jul 2014	#41
Whoa.	arikara	Jul 2014	#152
To some people, evidently, facts are stupid.	BillZBubb	Jul 2014	#248
Jury Result	Liberal_Dog	Jul 2014	#9
Every post that does not lick the boots of Israeli propaganda is referred to the jury, it is a given	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#11
I've been on here since they instituted that	mikeysnot	Jul 2014	#31
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2014	#70
Israel-->Nazi hyperbolic comparisons deserve hides. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#82
Why?	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#206
Cavers make the same argument regarding why they should be allowed to participate here.	stevenleser	Aug 2014	#289
Then you are suggesting	sulphurdunn	Aug 2014	#291
The Jury System is being used	Billy Budd	Jul 2014	#103
+1	uponit7771	Jul 2014	#127
Agreed	BillZBubb	Jul 2014	#250
The Tactic of Calling People Anti-Semitic	Galraedia	Aug 2014	#308
The abused become the abusers	vssmith	Jul 2014	#13
Yes...it is sadly true	Bettie	Jul 2014	#14
The right wing reactionary government of Israel is not the Isrseli people, I get and accept that.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#16
I'm right with you there	Bettie	Jul 2014	#21
This is an incredibly important point	hifiguy	Jul 2014	#25
I'm sorry, but it appears the Israeli people are fully behind their murderous government.	Comrade Grumpy	Jul 2014	#51
Thank you for pointing that out	mazzarro	Aug 2014	#260
Don't they have elections there?	BobbyBoring	Aug 2014	#266
And I'm likewise sickened by our Canadian government	arikara	Jul 2014	#154
Same here	laundry_queen	Aug 2014	#295
Nuanced positions. Exactly that.	arikara	Aug 2014	#296
K & R	AzDar	Jul 2014	#15
It is about the government	RobertEarl	Jul 2014	#18
Eric Hoffer described this phenomenon in one of his books.	pocoloco	Jul 2014	#19
The True Believer?	BillZBubb	Jul 2014	#252
I think Bibi (sic)	PatrynXX	Jul 2014	#20
Israel did support Hamas against Fatah.	alfredo	Jul 2014	#29
There are a number of Israeli politicians	hifiguy	Jul 2014	#23
Why doesn't Israel set up refugee camps in the exclusion zone if they are	alfredo	Jul 2014	#28
80% civilian deaths is not collateral damage!	Dustlawyer	Jul 2014	#30
80% according to who exactly?	Mosby	Jul 2014	#35
Do you wish to dispute that figure? Of course you do.	Comrade Grumpy	Jul 2014	#52
ABC News, The Telegraph, just Google it!	Dustlawyer	Jul 2014	#135
the numbers come from hamas	Mosby	Jul 2014	#167
20% children by this articles admission. It assumes every male of a certain age is a Hamas soldier,	Dustlawyer	Jul 2014	#195
Just do the math.	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#202
1,000 combatants? Add a zero or two..	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#256
I could be wrong about the number	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#258
So if it were, say, half that (40%) would it really make things so much better?	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#273
You claim you're just talking about Israel	Mosby	Jul 2014	#32
+1	YoungDemCA	Jul 2014	#67
Wish we had the unrec feature on DU3.	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#274
This message was self-deleted by its author	lostincalifornia	Jul 2014	#131
perhaps the NYT can re-do this Warsaw ghetto satire for today.	Sunlei	Jul 2014	#33
Excellent! nt	COLGATE4	Jul 2014	#53
Wow. Fascinating. Even back then there was the false equivalency. n/t	FourScore	Jul 2014	#56
that is horrific	frylock	Jul 2014	#149
This should be an OP on its on n/t	malaise	Aug 2014	#263
Hey Fred... Did You Catch THIS:	WillyT	Jul 2014	#34
I dunno. Israel has its share of Palins, Cruz's and Bachmanns also, it draws them toomuch attention.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#39
Quick question	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2014	#36
The are just "mowing the grass", flowers and weeds together, when it grows too tall, they want	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#40
I don't see the post by WillyT above	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2014	#57
The 'mowing the grass' thing	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2014	#58
Or perhaps this time it's the endgame. They may flatten it, expel the survivors and take it.	CrawlingChaos	Aug 2014	#277
Check Here:	WillyT	Jul 2014	#46
It's at least what some in the Knesset are advocating.	stranger81	Jul 2014	#87
I read his article	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2014	#104
I have a feeling	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#210
UN human rights official, 2009: Gaza evokes memories of Warsaw Ghetto	muriel_volestrangler	Jul 2014	#42
Agree Completely - The Oppressed Have Become The Oppressors	cantbeserious	Jul 2014	#43
agreed. just last night I was questioning the use of the word "war"	magical thyme	Jul 2014	#44
I agree.	truebluegreen	Jul 2014	#45
Bibi	enid602	Jul 2014	#48
No coincidence that the slaughter began just after the chaos of the Malaysian jet shot down.....	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#50
Where is the outrage from the Arab world?	Cary	Jul 2014	#71
Same amount of outrage from the Western world GOVERNMENTS, correction added. The Arab people	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#72
I don't think you understand.	Cary	Jul 2014	#78
Israel's government is anything but "decent." [n/t]	Maedhros	Jul 2014	#83
Israel's government is a true democracy	Cary	Jul 2014	#88
By "government" I'm referring specifically to the right-wing Netanyahu regime,	Maedhros	Jul 2014	#114
It's not a democracy when some citizens are treated better than others.	alarimer	Jul 2014	#161
You shouldn't put	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#243
NO it is not democratic	malaise	Aug 2014	#264
backfire.	enid602	Jul 2014	#96
"there are 1 million Arab Israeli citizens living in relative prosperity and peace"	Capt. Obvious	Jul 2014	#97
Yeah, living under an apartheid system, or else off to Gaza they go.....prosperity?	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#100
I started a similar thread a few days back and it was locked	vssmith	Jul 2014	#49
"Not news or information pertaining to this conflict"', that was the reason? Precious.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#55
I dunno, it's really bad but Nazi comparisons ? come on nt	steve2470	Jul 2014	#54
It is a ghetto comparison, many more in history, you think the Nazis were a one off?	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#60
I object to direct comparisons with the Nazis...	steve2470	Jul 2014	#61
Straw man arguments followed by self induced rage and victim hood, also well known in history.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#63
I don't think 'bad vs worse' precludes	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2014	#74
A quibble (ok, more than a quibble) on the disparity issue.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2014	#59
Also zero American children killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan, which is why both America and	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#62
Yup.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2014	#64
And Nutty Yahoo as.....the Bibi	Roy Serohz	Jul 2014	#65
"Israelis want a 'final solution,' having apparently forgotten their own history."	Cary	Jul 2014	#66
Finally someone who wants objectivity!	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#69
So according to your "math"...	Cary	Jul 2014	#73
Another straw man argument, it is so very boring.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#76
Straw man argument?	Cary	Jul 2014	#84
That was a straw man fallacy you used.	U4ikLefty	Jul 2014	#110
I think that's a fair question	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2014	#130
Given the reaction to the cafe and bus	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#180
What nonsense, once again the ad hominem fallacy at play.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#184
Nope, it is what it is	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#189
Followed by the slippery slope argument, and I thought some were better than that......	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#192
Well that slippery slope is a fact	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#194
Your blase denial of the horror of my families past..	SQUEE	Aug 2014	#300
Your blasé ability to put words in other people's mouths and then play the victim is surely the true	Fred Sanders	Aug 2014	#301
duly noted	SQUEE	Aug 2014	#309
I would be outraged	Marrah_G	Aug 2014	#306
I don't think so either	JustAnotherGen	Aug 2014	#310
Same teacher who taught you logic but not logical fallacies, I would wager.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#146
And I might ask why you're so untroubled by the killing of children and other noncombatants?	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#275
No it isn't objective.	sulphurdunn	Jul 2014	#208
Ah yes, comparing Israel to the goddamn Nazis...	YoungDemCA	Jul 2014	#68
The straw man brigade has chosen its favorite straw man....be outraged now, it is all you got.....	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#77
You made the comparison to the Warsaw Ghetto	YoungDemCA	Jul 2014	#79
You do understand the difference between ghettos & gas chambers	U4ikLefty	Jul 2014	#113
You understand that the Nazis first starved the people for years and then liquidated them, right?	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#119
+1	JustAnotherGen	Aug 2014	#265
+2	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#276
I read another thread here - I think it was nadin's (?) about the "Samson Option."	calimary	Jul 2014	#80
MAD is the ballgame with nuclear weapons for everyone that has them.	TheKentuckian	Jul 2014	#92
Yeah. No kidding.	calimary	Aug 2014	#267
I don't think anyone who has thoroughly researched ghettos under the Nazis would agree.	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#85
Sorry to offend...no comparison was made, two truths are contrasted, the comparison is in your mind.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#95
The comparison is in your OP title, not my mind. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#108
"Comparison" and "contrast" are different words, the subtle difference may be lost, the corruption	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#109
If I start an OP with the title saying "DUer Fred Sanders is like George W Bush"	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#112
Your comments interested me enough to post this:	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#116
You should spend more time reading the text at the link you provided.	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#125
Your responses in this and a few other threads on this topic...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#158
Good. And I mean that no matter which way you mean your comment.	stevenleser	Aug 2014	#285
Definitely not higher esteem...	malokvale77	Aug 2014	#311
To compare means to highlight the similarities between two or more things	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2014	#151
stop it with comparison's to WW2. It is just wrong. You can disagree with Israel's foreign	CTyankee	Jul 2014	#89
There is another popular thread on the same thing, repost the same thing there..you are wrong.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#99
It is still not a good argument,no matter how many people post it.	CTyankee	Jul 2014	#141
I don't have to imagine: Last of Warsaw Ghetto Survivors Calls for Rebellion Against Israeli	TalkingDog	Jul 2014	#259
what a beautiful statement!	CTyankee	Aug 2014	#262
Glad you enjoyed it, but you didn't ask about a Jewish person making a direct comparison.	TalkingDog	Aug 2014	#268
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think she has a real problem with the occupation, based on her	CTyankee	Aug 2014	#269
That is fantastic. Thank you.	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#278
Hamas is the reason Gaza is a ghetto	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2014	#98
I love history, here is an account of the invasion of the Warsaw ghetto:	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#106
Apartheid South Africa is a better comparison than the Nazis	LittleBlue	Jul 2014	#107
With respect, both contrasts are applicable, the walled city of Gaza is a better contrast, but your	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#118
Not to go off topic, but..	westerebus	Jul 2014	#132
The last thing Israel wants is a "final solution". This group currently in power want a never	mulsh	Jul 2014	#115
Hamas was democratically elected, as was the Israeli government, but only one is legit.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#122
They won't blow Gaza to dust because they want the land.	randome	Jul 2014	#134
you know it, I know it, analysts know it, Israel itself knows it: Bibithink is designed only for	MisterP	Jul 2014	#123
This message was self-deleted by its author	lostincalifornia	Jul 2014	#129
Some "Ghetto"..	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#133
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2014	#137
Not a fan of Hamas, sorry...lots of places i don't want to live..	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#139
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2014	#148
So, one ghetto is bigger than another, and one was 80 years ago? Point taken, such as it is.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#138
No, the in the real Ghetto everybody starved, was shot or gassed. No positive pop. growth.	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#140
No...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#164
Maybe you missed the header of the OP "the Gaza ghetto is like the Warsaw ghetto."	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#169
I didn't miss anything	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#174
Yes, the definition of the Warsaw Ghetto	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#176
So only Warsaw defines ghetto in your opinion...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#183
In the context of this OP we are only discussing whether Warsaw=Gaza, try to keep up	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#190
You keep up	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#209
"The effect is what matters."	EX500rider	Jul 2014	#236
Israel is not done yet, are they?	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#249
You may live in a ghetto. But your Ghetto doesn't resemble the Warsaw Ghetto	onenote	Aug 2014	#282
Bigger than Metropolitan Las Vegas. Some "ghetto". nt	COLGATE4	Jul 2014	#153
War is not between equal sides	AnalystInParadise	Jul 2014	#143
You made me laugh, describing slaughter as a form of war....you really did.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#147
What the hell	AnalystInParadise	Jul 2014	#150
It is, but only on the sand table	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#182
Something for the deniers/apologists	BlindTiresias	Jul 2014	#155
You mean like this, although it is now the size of Las Vegas, some say, so can not be a ghetto....	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#157
Could we see a map from 1957?	oberliner	Jul 2014	#185
Here you go:	Maedhros	Aug 2014	#302
In that map, Gaza is part of Egypt and the West Bank is part of Jordan	oberliner	Aug 2014	#303
Israel maintains effective control of Gaza and the West Bank	Maedhros	Aug 2014	#304
Not disputing that	oberliner	Aug 2014	#305
Rabid right wing sociopathy is a universal behavior	felix_numinous	Jul 2014	#159
Great opening statement	emsimon33	Jul 2014	#160
Please forgive my naivete as a newcomer to DU	cornball 24	Jul 2014	#163
we moderate posts via juries here, instead of moderators doing it	steve2470	Jul 2014	#166
I think you got that right	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#187
There is no comparison whatsoever and to say there is, is very disingenuous.	William769	Jul 2014	#171
The Nazis were in a league all of their own, only Rwanda and Pol Pot come close	steve2470	Jul 2014	#172
Agreed 100%	William769	Jul 2014	#173
hey, did you see my lgbt thread in GD ?	steve2470	Jul 2014	#179
No sorry I sisn't see it.	William769	Jul 2014	#219
ok here ya go:	steve2470	Jul 2014	#222
Thanks.	William769	Jul 2014	#223
I agree. This kind of hyperbole doesn't help. n/t	nomorenomore08	Aug 2014	#280
Yes, this is antisemitism and over the top	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#175
"Anti-semitic" has officially lost all meaning except as proxy for anyone not in lockstep.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#188
No it has not Fred	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#191
You may wish that were true, but it isn't. nt	Codeine	Jul 2014	#199
I have been a defender of you here on DU...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#201
Read this	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#203
I'm sorry nadin...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#220
That is not propaganda	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#231
It is propaganda when...	malokvale77	Jul 2014	#255
Please quote the text from the linked Newsweek article that you claim to be propaganda.	LTX	Aug 2014	#261
No...	malokvale77	Aug 2014	#270
It's not "research." It's a linked article.	LTX	Aug 2014	#271
Hard to link to what I see on the air waves.	malokvale77	Aug 2014	#279
One more time. This isn't really that difficult.	LTX	Aug 2014	#283
Has nothing to do with what I was responding to	malokvale77	Aug 2014	#284
A week ago I said the same thing and was told it was an unfair comparison.	McCamy Taylor	Jul 2014	#181
Gish Gallop	bluestateguy	Jul 2014	#193
Ninety-eight per cent of Warsaw's Jews perished	oberliner	Jul 2014	#196
Most as you know where deported to camps and murdered, you are a bit early to the comparison.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#198
Fred 50 of my family died at Treblybka	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#200
Yes, it is. How blind people can be. It is sad and very tragic...	CTyankee	Jul 2014	#211
Of course I am sorry for your loss and loss of all innocents, but labelling others who do not	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#214
Except that it is not just me pointing this comparison	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#216
Enlighten me, where is this charter, translated properly of course, you are exaggerating for affect,	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#227
Here, choice passage and link to full document at Yale Law School	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#229
The "kill every man woman and child part", where is that again, Nadine?	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#232
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2014	#235
One fourth of the population died of disease and starvation - not deported to camps	oberliner	Jul 2014	#212
The Gaza siege is not over yet, disease and starvation are next without power and water.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#215
In the years that the Gaza seige has been in place how many starvation deaths have there been?	oberliner	Jul 2014	#217
Well, there are around 2000 blown to bits deaths of children through the years, maybe they would	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#224
The number you are looking for is zero	oberliner	Jul 2014	#226
Interesting. Zero is also the number of Israeli children killed lately, not a one with a scratch.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#228
Have you looked up as to the role of Egypt in this?	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#218
Egypt is gripped by a dictatorial army general that overthrew a democratically elected government. I	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#230
You mean the fact that the border with Sinai is tightly sealed	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#233
Danziger agrees	malaise	Jul 2014	#237
And he is still wrong, just like the OP	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#238
Sis we agree on a lot of things	malaise	Jul 2014	#242
And the comparison is still wrong	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#245
She claimed I want Israel obliterated in above post.....she is not thinking right.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#240
No Fred, I said Hamas wants it obliterated.	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2014	#247
Pretty clearly written by you, quote " In my mind, you will not be happy until Israel is indeed	Fred Sanders	Jul 2014	#251
here -	840high	Jul 2014	#241
,	blkmusclmachine	Jul 2014	#257
Ways in which Gaza is not "like" Warsaw Ghetto	onenote	Aug 2014	#281
And that is just the beginning of the differences. Such comparisons are disruptive flamebait aimed	stevenleser	Aug 2014	#287
Don't respond to creationists	oberliner	Aug 2014	#288
You want math. Here's some math.	onenote	Aug 2014	#297
The false equivalency is the outrage....the lies about missing soldiers as justification....your	Fred Sanders	Aug 2014	#298
The false equivalency is all on your part, not mine.	onenote	Aug 2014	#299

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:09 AM

get the red out (13,436 posts)

1. That way of seeing it hadn't occurred to me

But it is true. So ironic and sad.

This is not a "war", it is a pogrom in a ghetto, the Gaza ghetto is like the Warsaw ghetto.

1. That way of seeing it hadn't occurred to me

2. Bullshit.

3. How many Israeli children dead? Math is not propaganda, never is, oh heartless one!?

10. Anyone who claims either side is free of the blood of children is an exploiter of dead children.

12. Israel is free of the blood of children, even as it flows like wine in the Gaza Ghetto. Any evidence

17. Anyone who claims either side is free of the blood of children is an exploiter of dead children.

27. a simple question was posed to you

37. so, Hamas' inability to achieve their goal of Israeli civilian casualties

145. never said that..

165. The Palestinians aren't nearly as proficient

170. so, again, because they suck at killing Israelis

178. If the Israelis lift the blockade

197. if you believe that the attacks would stop

204. Why wouldn't they?

205. yes... Hamas hates them that much n/t

207. Considering what's been going on

213. The West Bank is mostly peaceful

253. the rockets stopped for nearly 2 years

221. so what have gay folk done to the likes of Hamas

234. Hell, I have neighbors

239. you say that if Israel just did what Hamas wants then Hamas wouldn't want to kill them

246. Hamas can want to kill all the Jews

142. Some questions are too hard to answer. Thankfully no Israeli children have died, yet. However

254. yes, i agree that is something we can all be thankful for

91. how many Israel children

93. A quick google will tell you...

94. Still zero in the latest slaughter.....is all I said.

101. I was referring to current Gaza slaughter

111. Kind of obvious, right? Straw men are a dime a dozen these dark days.

117. The above poster is heavily obfuscating

124. Question asked was answered with verifiable facts. Zero opinion, spin or obfuscation nt

128. Re read. Agreed.

144. The question asked was clearly about the current slaughter of Palestinian children in Gaza. And

225. No spin?

168. 28 people killed

162. How many Israeli children

22. And the Palestinians are the victims. I do not understand - are Hamas and Palestinian the same? No,

24. Well, let's see now...

38. Why does the argument "Israel has a right to defend itself" work for Isreal,

47. The argument does not work, it is just repeated ad nauseam. Old propaganda trick that the

307. Because Israel is using the old Bush/Cheney Reich-Wing playbook....

81. Are you telling me that there were not people who cheered the US going into Afghanistan and

177. yep, same reason conservapuke Christian Extremists here cheered the ginned up war

90. And....

120. ABC also

121. Thank you. So many blinded by the blatant propaganda, the American media is a crime scene.

126. +1

286. What was "faked up" about it?

290. The celebration was not for 911.

292. Wrong.

293. Sorry.

26. Hamas is about 1,100 men

75. Just like the Native Americans were at war with the US, especially circa 1880s and beyond...

86. BS

102. You appear to be a great practitioner of the Ethics of Convenience.

105. I just made that comment in the HOA thread

136. So you are blaming other Palestinians for the actions of Hamas?

156. ...

186. He's talking about half of Gaza.

272. Even if true, how does that justify killing civilians by the hundreds?

4. I'm impressed. Man enought to defend behing a computer screen. Ooh baby I'm impressed.

7. Truth is gonna get you hurt, propaganda makes it go away, not thinking of the children brings sleep.

244. "We" are not amused

294. You have multiple personalities?

5. Israeli military strength in part:

6. That is the stupidest OP I saw all day.

8. Stupid enough for you to point it out, guess others may have an opinion also. Take it to the jury,

41. It doesn't surprise me you would post that. n/t

152. Whoa.

248. To some people, evidently, facts are stupid.

9. Jury Result

11. Every post that does not lick the boots of Israeli propaganda is referred to the jury, it is a given

31. I've been on here since they instituted that

82. Israel-->Nazi hyperbolic comparisons deserve hides. nt

206. Why?

289. Cavers make the same argument regarding why they should be allowed to participate here.

291. Then you are suggesting

103. The Jury System is being used

127. +1