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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/02/israel-rejects-talks-gaza-attacks-end<snip>
Israel has said they have scientific evidence that Hadar Goldin, the soldier feared abducted by Hamas on Friday in an ambush that shattered a humanitarian ceasefire, was killed in action during the attack.
The announcement, by Israel's chief military rabbi, came just hours after prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu indicated that Israel's military operation was coming to an end.
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How many more Palestinians were killed based on this lie?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)They said there was no kidnapping and he was killed in action by an Israeli missile?
Why did they and their war criminal leader spread the lie? Same crap with the killing of those three innocent young Israelis.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)against the Palestinian people. This lie even had the US President screaming about the release of the so called kidnapped soldier. Once again they did not fool me.
JI7
(89,262 posts)i don't know why they would lie about that.
but yes, this time they denied it. from what i know hamas would be bragging about it if they did and try to use it to get something they wanted.
malaise
(269,157 posts)That was the pretext for this slaughter and collective punishment.
Igel
(35,337 posts)Primary meaning of "lie": a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth
Primary meaning of "falsehood": a false statement
They overlap in that both indicate falsehood. Some make no distinction. This is a useful one, and typically the meanings merge not because people don't make the distinction but because they don't want to (but often hope that the listener infers that intent is claimed), which reflects prejudgement or ill-will. OR intent can't be present because it's an inanimate object doing the "lying". If a dictionary doesn't include a lot of examples, contexts, and explanations--pocket dictionaries, for instance--then they list them as synonyms. But as I was taught long ago, English has one true synonym, and it's for a species of wort that grows in Northern England. Two adjacent villages had different names for the same species of wort. When the villages merged through population growth, both words were kept but had the same connotations, so people who used such words used either in all the same contexts. (Which is probably to say, "Very rarely," considering most people in larger towns very rarely have the inclination to hold forth on regional varieties of worts.)
Primary meaning of "believe": to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so.
Notice that to say that somebody believes what he says and is lying is either a self-denying utterance ("You are telling me something you actually believe to be true in order to get me to accept something as true that you actually think is false" or you're simply applying ill-will/prejudgement or somehow saying that the belief itself is a lie. (I guess that's stage versus individual level predication, but that's moving past a DU post. Just a tad.)
If the first, it's simple incoherence.
If the second, then there's no point arguing because you've already decided on what the truth is, and facts, meanings, and the like don't matter.
If the third, then it's neutral, but the text isn't very cohesive.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)lessons at this point because it is so important to be grammatically correct in times of carnage.
It was a FUCKING LIE. Parse that...
DJ13
(23,671 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)disappearance. I haven't heard him condemn Israel for killing unarmed Palestinians.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)That is an arrogance which I don't remember. Not just this one, but even the missing plane...All of it, the pretext for this massacre and utter destruction in Gaza. I am stunned that they think we're that stupid.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)with a massacre against nearby Palestinian civilians: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/ceasefire-against-evidence.html
The best evidence is that Hamas attacked the invading soldiers before the 08:00 AM cease-fire. Israel then massacred some nearby civilians at 10:00 AM, after the cease-fire (as if massacring civilians is legitimate at any time.) The massacre appears to have been been in retaliation for killing invading soldiers.
Shaaths account was supported by dispatches published before the ceasefire went into effect by the official Twitter account of Hamass Qassam Brigades military wing. In a tweet published at 7:34 AM on August 1, the Qassam Brigades stated, At 7 AM a group [of Hamas fighters] clashed with [Israeli] forces east of Rafah and caused many injuries and death to them.
In a separate tweet published at 6:22 AM on the say day, the Qassam Brigades declared, At 6:30 AM, a group of the Qassam infiltrated behind enemy lines at east Rafah and bombed a house that the enemy had taken as a stronghold with a Tandem missile after the enemies bombed the whole area.
Israel has made contradictory claims concerning Hamas' alleged cease-fire violation:
We'll see if more evidence comes out.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you go by Mondoweiss, Israel always is in the wrong in every case and Hamas never is.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)but since I have no way of knowing for sure, I have avoided creating a new thread with this.
Hamas did have the tweets which would indicate that the attack against the invading soldiers was before the cease-fire ended. Plus I trust Max Blumenthal way more than I'd trust the Israeli government.
Why would anyone trust a government that openly massacres civilians? And one thing we should have learned a long time ago, war mongers lie about almost everything. The default position is that Netanyahu is lying.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)No lie was debunked.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)to hell the places they "thought" he might be? And if he is dead, was he killed by Israeli bombing and all this is a cover to direct attention to "friendly fire" killing of Israeli soldiers?
The disrespect of our President by Netanyahu is rivaled only by the disrespect our own GOP and its supporters have shown to the President. Israel also is not only hypocritical but a bigoted nation as well. I just wish Obama had not given those comments he gave yesterday in support of Israeli actions seeking this supposed "kidnapped" soldier. Those comments were not even necessary. And he had to suspect, based on the deception about the three teenagers "kidnapped," that in all likelihood Israel was lying to us again. He seemed almost in a trance when spewing those words.
But the truth is, our country is as much to blame for Netanyahu's arrogance and deception as anything else. We will not give the support needed to Obama to stand up to the likes of Netanyahu. When leadership members of our Congress applaud Putin over the President, what do we really expect when it comes to Netanyahu?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Palestinians, this one cost over one hundred more lives. If he was killed, he was not kidnapped, I am sorry that yet another life was lost. So on what did they base their false claim? And considering their last 'mistake' which cost nearly 1,500 Palestinian lives and nearly 70 Israeli soldiers' lives, one would think they could wait a few hours to make sure before rushing to kill even more human beings.
It was a lie. The unfortunate soldier was dead, sadly, not kidnapped. Are they really this incompetent? I've always heard they are the best fighting force in the world. I have to say I am not impressed at all.
Uncle Joe
(58,403 posts)Thanks for the thread, malaise.