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JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:12 AM Aug 2014

We (the US) are above international law

Bush / Cheney and administration will never be charged with war crimes. It's a hard pill to swallow, but our country is above international law. Droning on and on with outrage about PBO's recent comments isn't productive and smacks of naïveté or ignorance.

This message is not intended to support our position of being above international law, quite the opposite -- but we need to acknowledge reality.

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We (the US) are above international law (Original Post) JJChambers Aug 2014 OP
Bush / Cheney Did more against ALL authority, recreating orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #1
It's not international law we should be concerned with, it is our own laws that were broken. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #2
Oh bolderdash ...we are exceptionalisticexpialidocious. L0oniX Aug 2014 #3
Our country PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #4
It's so frustrating wading through the bullshit of those who wave around conservaphobe Aug 2014 #5
You think the rule of law is "crazy"? Perhaps somewhere like Saudi Arabia is more up your alley? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #11
I'm perfectly content with my username, as well as my home here in the U.S. and my president. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #13
Technically so is Russia, England, China, and France all having Security Council a veto but we TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #6
Correct JJChambers Aug 2014 #7
Bullshit, if anyone is above the law then there is no law. The constitution creates no exception TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #10
You don't seem to understand JJChambers Aug 2014 #14
No, the current administration has elected to be accessories to the crimes but no one is above the TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #15
If the people in charge of enforcing the law JJChambers Aug 2014 #17
international law? bigtree Aug 2014 #8
Just the way it is? whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #9
Is this another way of saying, "So STHU"? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #12
"Our vital national interests" trump the law, not to mention common human decency. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #16
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
1. Bush / Cheney Did more against ALL authority, recreating
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:31 AM
Aug 2014

Sovereignty , and why ? Employing Checks & Balances weren't " On the table " .

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. It's not international law we should be concerned with, it is our own laws that were broken.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:18 AM
Aug 2014

nt

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
4. Our country
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:29 AM
Aug 2014

is "The axis of evil" that * always talked about. We deserve no mercy from the rest of the world when the time comes.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
5. It's so frustrating wading through the bullshit of those who wave around
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:34 AM
Aug 2014

their Obama presidency wishlist day in and out.

Living in a deeply conservative area, it's bad enough that I have to put up with the irrational hatred from the other side.

But the crazies on our side give them a run for their money.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
11. You think the rule of law is "crazy"? Perhaps somewhere like Saudi Arabia is more up your alley?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:58 AM
Aug 2014

Seems like your phobia would be more like for radical regressive and even then not too phobic sense torture is something you can give a mulligan on.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
13. I'm perfectly content with my username, as well as my home here in the U.S. and my president.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014
 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
6. Technically so is Russia, England, China, and France all having Security Council a veto but we
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:36 AM
Aug 2014

aren't above our own laws and if for some reason Bush and his minions are then we have no rule of law.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
7. Correct
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:45 AM
Aug 2014

The reality is that our country is above international law and certain people are above our federal laws. Sad, but reality nonetheless.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
10. Bullshit, if anyone is above the law then there is no law. The constitution creates no exception
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:53 AM
Aug 2014
 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
14. You don't seem to understand
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:16 PM
Aug 2014

Of course no one is above the law on paper -- there is no above the law exception -- but reality is quite clear that Bush and Cheney are above the law in practice.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
15. No, the current administration has elected to be accessories to the crimes but no one is above the
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

law or there is no law.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
17. If the people in charge of enforcing the law
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:46 PM
Aug 2014

Choose not to enforce the law for certain people, are those people not above the law?

bigtree

(91,780 posts)
8. international law?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:47 AM
Aug 2014

. . .the reason our political system doesn't recognize international authority over the U.S. is the insistence that our own system of justice outstrips whatever penalties that the world community would impose.

The challenge isn't to just abandon our own justice system and expect other nations to hold our politicians and government officials accountable, it's to force our own government to uphold our own laws through our political activism and advocacy.

We're not 'crazies' for expecting that, nor are we 'naive' for expecting that 'droning on and on' will advantage the politics necessary to effect the political outcomes we advocate.

The alternative is acquiescence; silence is an abdication to mediocrity.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
16. "Our vital national interests" trump the law, not to mention common human decency.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:41 PM
Aug 2014

We kill, assassinate, torture, exploit, starve, humiliate, and/or hire other regimes to do it for us, all under the rubric of "Our vital national interests" and when found out rely on the piss-poor excuse of "everybody else does it".

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Gandhi

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