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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe (the US) are above international law
Bush / Cheney and administration will never be charged with war crimes. It's a hard pill to swallow, but our country is above international law. Droning on and on with outrage about PBO's recent comments isn't productive and smacks of naïveté or ignorance.
This message is not intended to support our position of being above international law, quite the opposite -- but we need to acknowledge reality.

orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Sovereignty , and why ? Employing Checks & Balances weren't " On the table " .
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)is "The axis of evil" that * always talked about. We deserve no mercy from the rest of the world when the time comes.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)their Obama presidency wishlist day in and out.
Living in a deeply conservative area, it's bad enough that I have to put up with the irrational hatred from the other side.
But the crazies on our side give them a run for their money.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Seems like your phobia would be more like for radical regressive and even then not too phobic sense torture is something you can give a mulligan on.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)aren't above our own laws and if for some reason Bush and his minions are then we have no rule of law.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)The reality is that our country is above international law and certain people are above our federal laws. Sad, but reality nonetheless.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Of course no one is above the law on paper -- there is no above the law exception -- but reality is quite clear that Bush and Cheney are above the law in practice.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)law or there is no law.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Choose not to enforce the law for certain people, are those people not above the law?
bigtree
(91,780 posts). . .the reason our political system doesn't recognize international authority over the U.S. is the insistence that our own system of justice outstrips whatever penalties that the world community would impose.
The challenge isn't to just abandon our own justice system and expect other nations to hold our politicians and government officials accountable, it's to force our own government to uphold our own laws through our political activism and advocacy.
We're not 'crazies' for expecting that, nor are we 'naive' for expecting that 'droning on and on' will advantage the politics necessary to effect the political outcomes we advocate.
The alternative is acquiescence; silence is an abdication to mediocrity.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)We kill, assassinate, torture, exploit, starve, humiliate, and/or hire other regimes to do it for us, all under the rubric of "Our vital national interests" and when found out rely on the piss-poor excuse of "everybody else does it".
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

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