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An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza and the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.
Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend.
He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza - which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The message, which received more than 2,000 likes on his page, lists four action points which he wants to be enforced as soon as possible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html
You can see the original facebook page (It's in Hebrew):
https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104
And translations:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025333975#post16
Sorry to link to my own post, it just seemed tedious to copy/paste it again when it's already there.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)saying what they really think? Nobody, at least not this soon.
malaise
(268,715 posts)The abused becomes the abuser. Who will stop him?
I have no answer. It's sad to talk about human beings in those terms. Like they are dogs that can be adopted out to willing homes.
I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt - and by that I mean I can't imagine that most Israeli's agree with this vicious message, but coming from a Deputy Speaker of the ruling party, it is particularly noxious.
I can't imagine that most Jews agree with such vile hatred, either. There are some truly ugly actors in the Likud Party.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)of them speaking out, but they are in the minority.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is one that is on the side of peace, and worthy!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)tell that to the Isreali's who disagree with his stance....this is what WE face as well if we allow the Rightwing who are now controlled by Ted Cruz to get another toe-hold in our "house"....and WHY its so important to support the Democrat.............. ANY Democrat!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I'm on board.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)No Right Wing democrats.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And that is why i framed it as such...... .knowing some on the far left would say that....
Thanks for proving my point...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)There are many others.
I don't vote for RW talking point pushers, period.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Then you know better...please tell us which Dems are going to those teabagger meetings with Cruz
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You really have to ask?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Please continue and explain how he is a teabagger....
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am asking....which of the Democrats are Far Right Wing aka Teabaggers (think eligible to be a member of Ted Cruz's posse).
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I never said "Far right wing" or "Teabagger". You invented that out of whole cloth.
You are right, I am not used to dishonest obfuscation. Have a nice day!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)before you even replied the first time.....scroll back up.
It was done purposely.....because I KNEW it would draw them in like flies to honey....
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
malaise
(268,715 posts)of the ReTHUG party in charge in the US. Sadly Obama is faced with the legacy of Bushco and the Israeli far right.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)weapons. Let's face it, the US is complicit in all of this, and it's time to look elsewhere for a resolution to this horrific state of affairs that has been going on now for decades. Who gave the US permission to be the 'arbiter' of peace in this conflict? Whoever it was made a huge mistake. Either the US CANNOT resolve it or doesn't WANT to resolve it. I am going with the latter.
So, it appears there are other nations willing to try to resolve it. Oberliner gave me a link to an article about China's proposals yesterday. They are in Egypt meeting with Hamas and others to try to end this.
Latin American countries, like China, are not taking the same position the US has traditionally taken. That ONLY Israel has a 'right to defend itself'. These other nations don't seem to be as willing to accept Israel's picture of the conflict as the US is.
The US should from now on be considered as part of the problem. Seeing some movement from these other countries is encouraging. The US and Israel have failed to solve the problem, imo, because they never intended to do so. So let's 'move forward' and look elsewhere for a solution.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)every time we fund a missile, our media covers for those who are killing in Gaza, and nobody dares to condemn the actions Israel has taken. You can't destroy their infrastructure on one hand, and then say that Israel isn't doing exactly some of the things this Deputy Speaker has advocated.
You can't. They encroached on their land, which was small to begin with, and now they are just bombing it.
Neither side is perfect, but when you put in motion a plan that makes life unbearable, you are sending a message of "Go somewhere else, or die".
Rockyj
(538 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
makes it worse, in a way, doesn't it?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)3...2...1...
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)No one would apologize or countenance that statement, so just dumb.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)If you follow the link to the translation, you will see someone that attempts to minimize it because he is merely one of 8 Deputy Speakers, while conveniently ignoring that he is the Deputy Speaker for the ruling Likud party.
You can assail his comments with "But so-and-so in the past said something worse" but this is what is being said NOW.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Pointing out others in same position have dissimilar viewpoint.
I would consider an apologist someone who said that what the guy said was OK. Or not horrendous.
I see your point, though.
4now
(1,596 posts)and show their real face.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)they will create a Palestinian state right on top of where the Israelis live now and the Israelis will be pushed out and systemically wiped out over the next 70 years...
Do you see where I'm going?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Please elaborate.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I suggest that after Israel commits a mass slaughter of Palestinians and Europe does nothing about it, that maybe they will feel guilt and create a Palestinian state right on top of the Israelis (just like the UN did)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Two wrongs never make a right, and it's like we are seeing yet another horrible thing happen again.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Unfortunately there is no easy fix
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...like, maybe, the American southwest.
Then we could watch as those who had no problem with partitioning some other people's land throw a fit about "giving up a single inch of our country!!!"
JEB
(4,748 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Just sayin.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)Even if it involves 'conquest', 'concentration camps', and 'annihilation.'
Every time a rocket is fired, the media seems to forget that Palestinians should also have a right to defend themselves. Palestinains attack, Israel defends, every time.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)too.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Which is why it is so shocking.
Submariner
(12,498 posts)returned stateside from whence it came. They're a borderline genocidal Prima donna at this point in their history. They're showing their real nasty intent now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)swilton
(5,069 posts)Frankenstein.
I'm beginning to think the only way to a two state solution begins with the withdrawal of US money and sale of military weapons. Perhaps the diplomats would all work a little harder if there wasn't an "iron dome" over their heads.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'll leave you to form your own conclusions about a person, glowingly talking about how Israel can blow American cities off of the map. The exchange follows that statement.
Response to Aerows (Original post)
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)1000words.
Hell, if you have 1000words in response to this, you are better than I am. I'm just speechless.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)Thank you.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)With this latest news, I'm afraid their 'get out of jail free' card has finally expired.
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regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I'm surprised he isn't being touted as their next Prime Minister.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And is thus prime Minister when Likud wins elections. Feiglin could only become PM if the party internally voted to put him at the head of the party, or if he broke off to start his own party which won a plurality of the votes.
...Neither of which would surprise me, honestly.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You are informed and you consistently educate me in these posts on I/P.
0rganism
(23,930 posts)it was a long shot anyway.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and this time, it's just as ugly as it was before.
0rganism
(23,930 posts)over and over and over again
we'll get it right next time, boss! for sure!
PFunk
(876 posts)Bibi all but made sure of that. I may be the crazy person here but a one-state solution is the only way now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)For obvious reasons.
Wish I could say I was shocked.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That went so far over the top, I really don't know what to say.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Any right-winger ends up being a fascist if unchecked.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)On 9/11 I popped in a tape and recorded CNN.
Several Republicans were on there advocating a crackdown on our freedom. One was saying we needed armed checkpoints on every state line and travel permits. Think about that. No more freely traveling between the states. You would have to APPLY to each state individually and they could decline the request to drive through and every one of them would require a fee. Permits would have to be turned over for review at the border and your vehicle would be inspected for contraband all in the name of protecting us from terrorism.
One mocked Dems saying, "Washington shouldn't be about people saying, 'We should spend money on education, I'm a teacher.'" He then talked about expanding the already bloated Pentagon budget and another one was concerned about "investor confidence" and said we needed to eliminate some fucking tax only rich people pay.
Some on the right were openly talking about getting rid of every Muslim in the country. They STILL act like Christians are more loyal to America than other faiths (Or lack thereof.) Same goes for being a Right Winger. They loved the idea of FEMA camps when they believed the targets were Liberals.
About ten years ago I extracted a clip from the Malloy show and Eric at Bushflash did the graphics:
2banon
(7,321 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)of expressing my disgust, frustration and sadness at reading a government official say such a thing as anyone else.
So damn sad, 2banon, just so damned sad.
2banon
(7,321 posts)and it is stunningly honest. Citizens here need to know Israeli government's actual intentions,, since our elected officials in Washington and the media won't reveal the truth to the tax paying public funding this evil atrocity. thank you again for posting.
for saying so, my friend.
It means a lot.
Garthem
(128 posts)Abused children really do grow up to emulate their abusers.
This is just plain fucking AWFUL!
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)I'd think it would be a maxim by now.
George II
(67,782 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)The original link is in Hebrew. I don't read Hebrew, I can only go by what the Bing and Google translations say put together, along with the Daily Mail article.
If a person that reads Hebrew could kindly step up to the plate and translate it for us all, it would be welcome.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)It's not the same post exactly as it was posted earlier, but it's by the same guy and he seems to have repeated many of the points in the letter making the rounds now.
George II
(67,782 posts)...it appears to be the raving of a rightwing lunatic. No worse than a rant from Ted Cruz or Louie Gomert about things going on in the US. Those two are US "officials", but not spouting US government policy, just as this guy isn't spouting Israeli policy, just his extreme opinion.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Makes a case toward the possibility of reincarnation... "Never Again," your ass!
People like mister Feiglin should never have access to the levers of power. All this guy would do, is change the names and descriptions of the next group of victims, if he and or, his confederates had their wicked way.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Cut from the same cloth.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm not making a comment about your post, but since you brought it up, at least people will know what you are talking about. I didn't.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Comparing anything done or said by anyone who is Jewish to anything done or said by Nazis is anti-Semitic, or so I am informed.
"never again" used to mean "never again" to anyone, by anyone, or so I thought.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)This person seems to not realize that he is talking about other human beings.
QuestForSense
(653 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)you lose a portion of your own.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,872 posts)The abused have become the abusers, and we have enabled them.
I know that many citizens of Israel strongly disapprove of this kind of policy. I think we must stop funding it and challenge anyone in authority there who advocates this kind of pogrom.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I think many Americans oppose it, too. We need to stop funding this materially and politically.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Reflects poorly on the elected government, but should not be assumed the default by Israel nor those who are in the government who are in opposition.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)This isn't some random person. This is the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, a member of the ruling Likud party.
Is that the same as stating it is Israeli policy? No. Would it be alarming as hell if we heard such things coming from John Boehner? Yes, I think it would scare the shit out of me.
Form your own opinions from his words, and the actions of the Israeli government. He has said plenty of things that are just as harsh and nary a peep from Netanyahu to say "we don't believe this" nor have the actions of the Israeli government given much of an indication that this isn't the prevailing wind they are blowing in.
I listen to words, and look at actions. That's the only way to really evaluate the political stance of a person or of a nation.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Another is Ahmed Tibi.
Here's the full list:
https://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/MKIndex_Current_eng.asp?view=7
Edit to add: I mention Tibi because his views are about as diametrically opposed to Feiglin's as is humanly possible.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)the Likud party, which gives his opinions and statements far more weight. It's convenient to say that he is one of many, but when he is the top of the heap of the many, it's pretty damn alarming.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Manhigut Yehudit is to Likud what the Tea Party is to Republicans. Or maybe more like Pat Buchanan and George Bush.
He and Netanyahu despise each other for what that is worth.
Unfortunately 1 out of 4 Likud voters are Feiglin fans.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)You got it exactly right. (Should I add unfortunately?)
This is a parliamentary type of thing which is even more complicated than our own system meaning it is faction based and often with components that are rather bizarre.
Netanyahu has allied himself with the Looney party - much like McConell having to pay lip service to Rand Paul...
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)is exactly right, Lithos .
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)discussion outside of the forum you host, I/P.
Interesting indeed.
Nice to see your 'point of view' considering your nearly solitary hosting of the 'dungeon'.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)This round was a poor reprise of 1985 in Beirut...
Nutty had no end game, all he did was give Hamas credence, made moderates look weak, and perpetuate the madness.. 0 for 3.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)has been rather revealing by the actions taken so far. Destroy the infrastructure, make Gaza uninhabitable and figure out what to do with the people in the way of that sweet real estate on the Mediterranean.
You can say one thing, but doing another makes it obvious that the other is where you really stand.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)This is a rather typical example of what happens when armies are applied against irregular forces. If Israel really wanted to make it uninhabitable, it would have gone about it differently and more efficiently.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can listen to what people say, but I can also see what they DO.
What conclusion would you like for me to come to after evaluating what has been done?
I ask this earnestly, and not to score points. It's a plain question.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)lack of self-reflection on his part, isn't it? It isn't just failure to recognize history, it's a failure to see himself as others see him and as he is.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)K&R!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That is yet another depressing and troubling part of this entire situation. He's obviously not alone.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Moshe Feiglin at Knesset Reception for Gov. Huckabee: Israel Doesnt Need US Financial Support
http://www.jewishisrael.org/moshe-feiglin-knesset-reception-gov-huckabee-israel-doesnt-need-us-financial-support/
Incidentally "Jewish Israel" is the name of the faction of Likud that he leads.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Every time he says such things, and the Israeli government doesn't roundly criticize him for it, they are consenting to it. Worse, actions speak louder than words. Israel isn't there yet, but to deny that they encroached on a large section of Gaza (42% of an already small sliver of land) is going to raise eyebrows.
The ground troops have pulled back, but what of the other objectives? Destroying the power plant. Check. Destroying water treatment facilities. Check. Bombing hospitals. Check.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Same language I reserve for Huckabee, etc.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)Netanyahu acts.
Very big difference between the two.
Was never given the chance...
Nutty was...
DisgustedTX
(1,199 posts)This would leave me speechless if it surprised me at all.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Most people here are not surprised that the bathwater is dirty.... They are more focused in not throwing the baby out as a result.
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Response to Lithos (Reply #82)
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Is this a callout? Let me know asap.
Personally I am not getting the connection, nor the abrupt tangential nature of your comment.
Anti-Semitism seems to be raised whenever people depart from the main discussion to interject one or more additional comments from sources which have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, especially when someone feels the need to interject a meme or website from a group with very suspicious tendencies/
You can tell these sources by their focus on things such as trying to tie things back to the Holocaust (I'm gonna call this Lithos' Law in honor of Godwin's Law where any discussion of Modern Middle East Affairs must bring mention to the Holocaust). If you invoke Lithos' Law about the Holocaust then it's officially a stretch.
But back to my comment at hand. Netanyahu has crossed a boundary - his RW all/or-nothing roots are showing. Hamas is a piece of crap, but Nutty-yahoo has shown his inabilities to come up with a real leaders solutions. Is this something you are willing to discuss?
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The worst I've ever seen. They don't even pretend anymore.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)Even the most devoted Israel supporters can't rationalize this one.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a person *could* rationalize this one. Passing it off as the ravings of a mad man would be one thing, but the fact is, they have absolutely destroyed the infrastructure in Gaza. People advancing rhetoric is one thing, but when actions follow that rhetoric, it makes it hard to say "Oh, he didn't mean it, he's nobody important".
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)Buildings all destroyed, power out long term, schools, hospitals destroyed, with over 400,000 displaced already, almost half of the population! The "tunnels" were a bull shit excuse. I wouldn't be surprised the weapons caches in the abandoned U.N. Schools were planted. What terrorist leaves two big stashes of weapons unguarded in the middle of a war?
I told my mom this was their plan, to make the area unlivable so the Palestinians had to move. This heartless, ironic blowhard let slip the plan early, not that it will matter. Sad.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't believe the current line of "he's just a right-wing whacko". Israel is already doing some of those things - destroying the power plant, destroying the water treatment facility, bombing hospitals and schools, etc.
He may be the politician saying it, but as a whole, the Israeli government is DOING some of it.
That's what I question. It's hard to say he's just some whackjob for saying it openly when many of the things he is advocating are being done.
enid602
(8,594 posts)I like the added touch of requiring all Palestinians to sign oaths of allegiance to Israel, and making them carry blue allegiance cards (to be shown to police), just as they've done on the West Bank 'for years.' I wonder how this would fly if the US required such proof of allegiance from Jewish Americans. Time for American Jewry to cry out against these types of proposals.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)for the raccoon(s) we could do like the French in Viet Nam (sort of like) and send them in place of weapons. Think you could give to the cause?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and to be honest, I am offended by the dig at the fucking raccoon bite I sustained and rabies treatment I had to undergo as a result being a substitute of saying something substantial.
I have enough people on DU digging at me over that one, and I don't need extras.
Let it the fuck go, everybody. I am finally well and over the shit, so please quit it.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)when reading this post I remembered that the raccoon came back after your shoe or something but nothing else. I guess it didn't work out as good for you as I had hoped. Sorry.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I didn't mean to be so sensitive. It finally left and I've been raccoon free by taking my shoes off of the porch and spraying around it with OFF!. It has an offensive smell to mammals. It hasn't been back.
Nobody wants to get a rabies vaccine series - I can promise you that, because it might affect your body,but worse, it also affects your mind.
I am overjoyed the shit is out of my system.
It isn't you, it's me. I was unnecessarily harsh.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)I've been talking too much once again.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's something of a running joke on DU.
And that's okay, I know it was meant in good humor.
Peace Edgineered, you didn't know, my friend.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)This whole waste, not just with I/P, but internally and everywhere it seems, is senseless. From those who dream of becoming heroes on our own land to those wanting to own their own world have me tired of their ways. When it feels like there will be no end to it we know those in power are winning, and we don't have a say. Even here there is difficultly in getting past petty differences - we cannot make things better if the best we can do is hope the right loses. But that's a whole different thread (can't remember who posted it).
later and gn
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is ourselves. We, as human beings, do what ultimately becomes our character with our own bodies. If we work for peace, we become peacemakers. If we become soldiers, we fight in war. If we become scientists, we have the choice to do it peacefully or not.
No matter our circumstance, I truly believe that no matter what, if our nature is positive, it will shine through.
No one can take that away from you.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Gross.
Sums it up, libodem.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)Which must be why I don't see a single story about this in the US MSM.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that there are people that defend this line of thought.
Good grief, the US is hardly the bastion of moral authority, but that doesn't mean that other nations should emulate what we did in Iraq. Thinking people stand up against it no matter where it occurs.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Surprised Gaza hasn't been infected with Ebola. They just want them dead .
I'm not religious but what goes around comes around. And if they smite the Palestinians any more the Goddess is going to smite them back.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Is it a title held by every elected representative or is it a position of power and influence? Is this guy a fringe nut like Michele Bachmann or is he a second in command kind of like Eric Cantor used to be? If he's influential, this is scary bad news to see how the Israeli government really thinks.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)of the ruling party.