Porn production plummets in Los Angeles

[Nuclear Unicorn]

Porn production plummets in Los Angeles

As Hollywood battles to keep movie and TV shows from leaving the state, another local industry — adult entertainment — is fleeing Los Angeles..

At least that's the picture that emerges from the latest data on location filming in the region.

The number of permits issued for X-rated productions plummeted about 90% to just 40 permits last year compared with 2012, according to data from FilmL.A. Inc., the nonprofit group that handles film permits for the city and county. Only 20 permits have been issued so far this year.

The decline follows the passage in late 2012 of a county law mandating condom use by performers.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-onlocation-la-porn-industry-20140806-story.html

I'm not going to lie, I'm not comfortable with the commoditization and sexual objectification of women but neither am I of the mind to declare, "Thou shall not ... !" That's not my job.

That said, I'm amazed that the advocates for this law couldn't foresee these exact results. They haven't done anything worthwhile. They aren't saving anyone. If their law was such an awesome idea they would have mandated it for anyone having sex outside of a monogamous long-term relationship. But they didn't, which reveals the BS behind it. This is 1-part misplaced do-goodism and 1-part self-righteous arrogance.

[philosslayer]

1. I just can't imagine porn continuing to exist as a profitable business

I mean... have you checked online? Its not really hard to find it for free. Why would anyone pay for it?

[MineralMan]

3. Yes, there's a lot of free porn on the Internet, but most of it is apparently teasers

for pay websites. There are tons of those, and many of them have been around for a long time, so they must have a profitable business model. Porn is a huge business.

[hifiguy]

10. Some years back I was browsing some computer/nerd website

and it said that internet porn is one of the most profitable online markets.

[Sparhawk60]

29. A friend told me

I heard that the internet has all the free porn any one would want...at least that's what my friend said.

[rug]

44. "apparently"

[RKP5637]

52. ...

[Rex]

77. Hehe

[big_dog]

7. video on demand at hotels and satellie ppv is the only economic model that works long term

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eventually the internet will kill their business, with headsets that will simulate

[winstars]

14. Video on demand in hotels is dying also, lots of people just use there computers now...

With most hotels having switched to flat screen TV's, a simple HDMI cable will connect your laptop to the TV. (as long as you can change the input on the TV from the TV setting to whatever HDMI input you plug into. You can even hook up your Apple TV if the hotel adds it WiFi address to there system, which they usually do if ya ask them nice...

Sort of like hotel telephones, NO ONE ever uses it anymore. Can you imagine how much revenue hotels lost due to people essentially only using them to call room to room or the front desk???

[Laffy Kat]

75. You seem to know a lot about this, winstars!

Some of us aren't that technical.

[winstars]

118. I travel for work so you learn a few tricks here and there...

Bottom line is that lots of people who stay in hotel rooms have at least:
a laptop
a tablet
a smart phone

or all three. Thats why the TV in the hotel room and whatever might be on it, PPV or otherwise, is being used less and less.

Hooking a cable from one of those devices is icing on the cake. Sometimes I never even turn on the TV in a hotel room during my stay. I just use my laptop...

But with that said, a recent issue is that the WiFi in hotels seems slower than it did several years ago. A manager told me the issue is EVERYONE staying at the hotel brings 2 or 3 devices these days opposed to just a laptop previously. They can't keep up. Some hotels might keep it slow so people use the PPV but that just pisses off the biz customers they are catering to. This is really bad in hotels with free WiFi only. But paying $20 per day sucks too although this is a receipt I can turn in.

Jeeze, I do know too much about this mundane subject...

[Laffy Kat]

122. Why don't you write an article for a travel magazine?

Seriously, put your knowledge to use and make a little extra $$$!

[winstars]

129. Thats not a bad idea LK, if I do I will send ya a gift card to a dispensary in CO...

[Laffy Kat]

130. Don't worry about the gift card.

Just get it published and send me a copy of article! I'll be your muse.

[winstars]

131. Roger that! nt

[itsrobert]

136. Many hotels are providing free internet to get you there

But once you are there, they upsell you on the higher tier internet with faster speeds.

I just plug my phone into my computer via usb cable and use my unlimited data minutes I have.

[jberryhill]

141. The weird thing is.

The more expensive the hotel, the more they charge for Internet access.

[jberryhill]

140. get a tenda travel router.

There are very small routers which you can use to make its Lan connection via wifi, and provide you with your own wifi network.

Even where the hotel has a port 80 gateway that you have to login through, you connect the router to their network, connect your device to the router, log in one, and then they can all connect to your local wifi network.

Runs on USB power, so you don't have to mess with international plugs.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

22. My asshole relatives are getting slammed by piracy

There are weirdos in Eastern Europe who do nothing all day but create accounts on their websites with stolen credit cards, download all the material they can and then host it for free on other websites where they collect the advertising revenue.

They peaked financially more than a decade ago, it's been a slow slide ever since.

[AngryAmish]

65. One model that works is use free porn as advertisment for high end escorts

The porn itself is not too renumerative but it allows you to develope a client list.

I know exactly one porn star. She no longer does films but she does run a 900 service (which still works) and she has a long term client list in Japan and Macao which makes of her money from a bimonthly visit.

[Blue_Adept]

68. There's good sites worth paying for.

For one thing, they tend to not be full of malware.

The other is that often they're either more niche or the production values are better.

You can get plenty of stuff for free though. But quality is poor.

[shedevil69taz]

128. Well porn is why the internet exists

The internet is for PORN!

[redqueen]

2. You do realize you're making the same argument as conservatives who whine about the EPA, right? nt

[BainsBane]

70. But it's sex

All sex is good, even if it kills.



That people don't see the incredible selfishness and hypocrisy in this. I was just told my experience being preyed upon by adult men looking to hire children for sex was irrelevant to the issue. I'm guessing that these same people see death from aids and other STDs as irrelevant to. Human trafficking is irrelevant; human life is irrelevant. If that is their position, so be it, but to dress it up in sanctimony is repulsive. They need to just admit that their one and only concern is their own sexual desire.

[redqueen]

72. Yep. Many on the left have a massive blind spot when it comes to this industry.

[BainsBane]

74. Chris Hedges: Abu Ghraib = stills from porn

A moving piece. I remember when I posted this and Noam Chomsky on porn in GD several months ago, were they ever pissed off.
Excellent choice for this thread.

[redqueen]

78. Yes, they're not so popular here

Still worth posting them now and then for those who aren't thoroughly invested in defending the industry.

[BainsBane]

82. They are higly revered on every other subject

except porn.

[redqueen]

84. And prostitution ?

I can't recall reading or hearing their views on prostitution.

Considering that porn is simply filmed prostitution, I wonder how differently they view that side of the sex industry.

[BainsBane]

111. I would guess similarly

But I don't know for sure.

[MineralMan]

4. County ordinances apply to the counties that adopt them.

If porn production is down in Los Angeles County, then the ordinance is doing exactly what it was intended to do. The County of Los Angeles cannot regulate private sexual activity, but they can regulate film production if they choose to do so.

The intent was to get porn production companies out of the area. Apparently it worked. Other counties can do the same, if they choose, which they might, once they see that L.A. County was successful with its ordinance.

I think you're misunderstanding the situation, frankly.

[redqueen]

5. Is there any evidence that they simply wanted to chase them out?

It is my impression that they were actually concerned about the health of the performers.

If you do a little reading about the conditions the performers work in and the health issues common in the industry you'll soon see why it is necessary.

[winstars]

16. My take is it was a health issue, not a moral one. Someone would test positive and

there would be calls to pass a law like this. I think that it happened too many times and they finally passed it.

If you think about it once a bill like this starts to get traction, very few people will vote AGAINST wearing condoms. Like anti-smoking laws, (which I am for) once they get traction, you are hard pressed to find the "pro smoker advocates...

[redqueen]

20. Shelley Lubben, an ex porn performer, pushed for this law for years...

and has been lied about and trashed for years for daring to expose the rampant abuses of the porn industry. But she's a Christian so somehow that makes it easier for most on the left to just dismiss her out of hand, believe and repeat whatever they read about her from the multi-billion dollar industry's defenders, etc.

[opiate69]

32. I know...

The "left" dismissing right- wing, fundy nutcases out of hand gives us a sad.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Actually, the fact is, she's a garden variety religious right bible-thumper, now, who has

noxious views on all SORTS of social issues, like homosexuality---

in short, she's straight out of the Phylis Shlafly wing of the Republican Party, someone who would never be given any sort of credence in liberal circles--- but like Ed Meese, the minute she starts talking on the topic of Porn all of a sudden she's magically transmogrified into a progressive.

[hifiguy]

56. LOL. So, so true.

[stevenleser]

58. Saying Phylis Schlafly's name is like saying Frau Blucher AFAIK...

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Heh heh. And I think that's German for "Glue"

That movie cracks me up, still to this day.

[opiate69]

121. Shelley Lubben.. stalwart progressive in your eyes I presume?

Obama endorses Planned Parenthood. I guess he doesn't mind endorsing the porn industry then. Because the main porn lawyer and only registered lobbyist for the porn industry is the former Senior Vice President of Planned Parenthood Diane Duke. She went from killing babies to destroying women in porn to destroying your family by her vigorous efforts to defend pornography. See for yourself at the link below. Obama endorses these people! Will you vote for a president that endorses the porn industry and the killing of over 3,700 babies a day in the USA? God is watching your vote.

https://m.facebook.com/ShelleyLubbenFanPage/posts/284761428290794

And yet you have the temerity to complain about other right wing sources being cited here?

[redqueen]

123. You presume some seriously idiotic ideas.

There are conservatives who do things I agree with. I agree with this campaign of hers.

That clear it up for you?

As for people posting editorials written by right wingers spreading right wing viewpoints, that's another thing entirely.

This view, however, is a left wing position. As evidenced by these guys, who are so studiously ignored on this issue.

[opiate69]

125. Mhm....

A guy raised by conservative ministers, who goes on to get a Masters of Divinity degree is morally opposed to porn and prostitution? (Ignoring his plagiarism problems for now).... shocking.. in other news, water is wet.

[opiate69]

126. Oh.., another thing..

since you've made it clear on numerous occasions that you abhor libertarianism....

Chomsky's political views have changed little since his childhood.[146] His ideological position revolves around "nourishing the libertarian and creative character of the human being",[146] and he has described his beliefs as "fairly traditional anarchist ones, with origins in the Enlightenment and classical liberalism."[147] He has praised libertarian socialism,

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

134. Every time you bring up Lubben, you huff and puff about how awful it is....

....that no one will take her seriously here because of her religion. Well, no shit, do you throw the same fit in the dozens of threads that rip the Hobby Lobby/Green family for all their religious bullshit?

The quote posted above by her speaks volumes about who you're hitching your wagon to, and why many don't care to listen to it. I'm sure Victoria Jackson hates porn too.

[opiate69]

142. Seems some conservative sources are more equal than others, no?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=49275

[Eleanors38]

133. Who needs condoms when you can watch a free compendium of artillery shoots?

And then there are the "amateur" videos which somehow proliferate without brick & mortar. Ain't no rubbers in those balls of snakes. An old industry facing the same fate as Borders Books,

[big_dog]

36. it just shifts the porn production to different locales without such laws

Las Vegas will probably become the new Valley in terms of porn production, and there are no condom laws in San Francisco either

[cloudbase]

63. Or, it just might give Rick Perry the idea

to go and poach these jobs and bring 'em to Texas.

On the other hand, if Perry were to be struck by an idea it might be considered an on-the-job accident.

[mercuryblues]

98. I doubt

Vegas. Nevada has a law that brothel workers must wear condoms and weekly STD testing. I don't think they would appreciate the porn industry moving in and increasing the STD rate.

[Yavin4]

109. Then why not an ordinance requiring MMA fighters to wear head gear

If health of the performers is an issue. Or, is it just easier to mobilize people politically over sex?

[MineralMan]

23. I'm sure that concern about health issues was part of it.

However, the industry complained loudly and threatened to take production out of the area. That the county went ahead with the requirement appears to me to indicate that their primary goal was to get porn production out of the area. Nothing I can prove, though.

The porn industry, from production to distribution is not one that most jurisdictions really want around, I think. I'm not at all connected with that industry, though, so I'm just basing this on my own perception and reading about it.

[redqueen]

33. Well many are surely motivated by money and therefore would rank the health of the performers

somewhwre below the tax revenues, as several posts in this thread demonstrate.

[TeamPooka]

45. This is correct.

[jberryhill]

6. It's a reasonable occupational safety regulation

It's no different than any other workplace safety regulation to address hazards inherent in an occupation.

If car painters in LA County are required to wear respirators, and that causes car painters to move their operations somewhere else, are you going to say on that basis that it was overreach by LA County to require paint shops to use respirators?

Yeah, sure, take your car down to Tijuana and get it done cheaper by people who don't have those pesky safety regulations.

But that shift is not a reason to get rid of the regulation.

[Orrex]

9. Me, I'm not into gonzo car painting.

But YMMV.

[LadyHawkAZ]

11. +1

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. It seems hard to maintain the argument of employee safety if the jobs relocate/go underground.

Honest question -- what is the practical value? Do we make laws to assuage our own ideals or do we actually want tangible benefit?

[jberryhill]

18. Umm... that's pretty normal

Several performers have contracted HIV.

Are you saying that we should scrap workplace safety regulations because slave labor in China doesn't have them?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

34. I would be opposed to slave labor porn with or without condoms.

[jberryhill]

35. That's not really the point, now is it?

Workplace safety regulations are part of the package, when one is not a slave.

The fact that industries will go elsewhere to avoid workplace safety or environmental regulations is not something new, and not particularly noteworthy in this example.

[Eleanors38]

135. The point is contract, not locality. "Amateur videos"

proliferate on porn and not-so-"porn sites." Bashful, robust college kids fogging the windows and fouling the sheets are just some of the one-angle wonders, and No One is sheathed. Same as it ever was, only a couple hundred dollars might slip from one account to another during the afterglow (or mop-up). Why, I hear tell All facets of this practice can be produced and distributed around the world, originating from a twin bed and a smart phone at the Gushing Fountain Motel, down the street from the Houston Astrodome.

[jberryhill]

139. They're all queen beds since the remodeling, btw

The new owner has done a few overdue upgrades at the Gushing Fountain.

A lot of the TripAdvisor comments are about the old management.

[LanternWaste]

25. I'd imagine OSHA is less an ideal and more a tangible benefit.

I'd imagine OSHA is less an ideal and more a tangible benefit. Seems that would apply here also...

[MineralMan]

46. The auto painting business moved for a different reason.

It's impossible to use the kind of finishes that produce the best results in California. Auto body painters are restricted now to paints that don't release petroleum distillates. What that means is that traditional enamel and lacquer auto paints are no longer available. So, people who want those finishes are forced out of California, generally to Mexico, to get the kind of finishes they want for high-value vehicles and custom vehicles.

Similar restrictions have been applied to auto manufacturers, as well. While the new paints are steadily improving in finished appearance, they are not the equal of traditional paints used on autos.

[Orrex]

8. Hard times from back to front.

Wait. What?

[pipi_k]

31. Face it...

the industry has gone soft.

I don't know if it can get a head of steam ever again.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Someone will end up on top

I guarantee it.

[Eleanors38]

137. Yes, lost in the Black Forest again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Even if you stipulate the motive behind the law was a noble one what problem did it solve? /nt

[joeybee12]

15. They're moving to Vegas...

At least that's what the local paper says...

[LittleBlue]

19. They cut the throat of their own industry

Other locations, like Vegas, have benefited. The law didn't end up helping anyone, they're just doing the same things in Vegas that they were doing in LA. The only difference is that LA lost the tax revenue.

[LanternWaste]

26. One may imagine that mandating hair-nets for food preparation employees would do the same to the res

One may imagine that mandating hair-nets for food preparation employees would do the same to the restaurant industry...

[LittleBlue]

27. Not quite the same

The article specifies that there is little demand for condom porn.

Your analogy would be correct if instead of hairnets, the state mandated veggie artificial burger for the safety of the consumer. There is little demand for it, so the industry would die. Unlike food services, the internet makes porn distributable from everywhere, so the loss won't be felt by the porn industry.

[Eleanors38]

138. It's called "The Money Shot" for a reason.

[big_dog]

42. and the Vegas is overrun with prostitution in bars and on the strip, which is ironic

because it is totally legal in the desert

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

21. You're assuming they didn't want these exact results and good riddance

My asshole relatives have taken their business to Phoenix. The community is better off for this.

Porn and prostitution are two things I have had much too close a look at to be swayed by libertarian bullshit.

[stevenleser]

38. It might be. And if the elected officials and those who elected them are fine with it, that's 90% of

the way to good government.

The other 10% is, did they have a plan for the loss of tax revenue, either in terms of increasing taxes, getting more other businesses to move to Los Angeles, or cutting spending?

If they drove off the business without accounting for the loss of tax revenue, they missed a step.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

76. If this was a Wal-Mart getting run out of town...

would anyone here be contemplating lost tax revenue?

Southern California has a GDP of more than a trillion dollars. I think we just might bounce back from losing the stupid girl from Kansas getting sodomized in a hotel room genre of porn.

[redqueen]

83. Thank you for shining a light on yet another example of the ways that so many liberals lose the plot

when it comes to this industry.

I don't know how this stuff isn't noticed by more people. It seems intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, from my perspective.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

87. I would love to sit the DU libertine contingent down with my family in this business

There is no liberal angle to them, they're just creepy and abusive perverts who profit (although not nearly as much as they once did) from putting vulnerable people in high-risk situations while assuming little risk themselves.

[redqueen]

88. Sadly the suffering caused by this industry doesn't rank very high on most peoples priority lists.

It's a shame that these people are just basically forgotten, if not ignored altogether.

[stevenleser]

86. A Walmart doesnt have the tax base that this industry does. If it did, we would worry about it.

Thinking people would, anyway.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

89. You speak as though Los Angeles is pornography mill town

Rather than one of the most economically diverse mega-cities on earth.

Look at the issues cities regulate these days. This is hardly over-reaching.

[stevenleser]

90. Nope, that is your strawman. nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

94. Huh? I'm not the one who brought up the economic implications of this industry

[stevenleser]

95. Nor am I, the article did. Then you wildly exaggerated my comment. I.E., created a straw man. nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

117. Says the guy who is a professional strawman for Fox News...

That's rich.

[stevenleser]

120. I always know someone has lost when they resort to using that bogeyman. thanks for conceding

the point.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

127. It would help if I knew what precisely the point was.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. I tend to agree with this =

Porn and prostitution are two things I have had much too close a look at to be swayed by libertarian bullshit.

[DanTex]

24. Making a porn movie is not a private intimate relationship. It is a commercial relationship.

I don't see how this is any different from any other workplace safety regulation.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. That is not, universally true.

The word "porn" is so broad, and ill-defined, that it could encompass everything from a couple filming their own sex for themselves, to someone sending their SO nude pictures of themselves, to people mutually looking at each other over a webcam, to amateur content, to commercially produced adult films.

It is really only the last category which could conceivably fall under workplace safety regulation. If Bob and Mary have sex in front of a camera and send it to Ted and Alice to watch for free, that's not a commercial relationship.

[kwassa]

99. I don't think Bob and Mary are moving to Vegas to avoid the condom regulation.

It is the commercial porn industry, of course.

[Warren DeMontague]

101. I still think free internet porn has had a far more devastating effect on that commercial porn

Industry, than the condom law.

[kwassa]

104. but isn't the commercial porn industry part of the free internet porn?

all those outlets that are porn versions of Youtube. They have both amateur and professional content.

I think the economic model for porn has changed to imitate other commercial online sites; most content is offered for free, hoping to hook users into spending money on more extensive offerings, where the sites make money.

So, yes, it has had an effect on the industry, but the effect on porn is not that different than the effect on newspapers. Online content for both has devastated traditional outlets.

Now, how that has affected the money the porn industry makes, I have no idea.

[Warren DeMontague]

110. I also think the fact that everyone carries around a better camera with their phone

than most people would get for $900, 15 years ago, has an impact.

I suspect "the commercial industry" isn't as tied to geographic location or other factors, as it might have been once.

[kwassa]

113. Such is the Internet.

There is no particular point to being in Chatsworth, CA when one can upload video from anywhere in the world. Instantly.

[DanTex]

106. I'm assuming the regulation in question applies to commercial porn only.

In which case it is just another workplace safety regulation, the kind that progressives would typically support.

But if you're right, and LA is actually forcing couples making private sex tapes to wear condoms, then the OP has a point.

[bluestateguy]

28. Enterprising porn makers don't even need the industry anymore

They can make clips in their own home and sell them online and run subscription based websites.

[stevenleser]

30. There is something else going on at the same time too. NY is making a big push for the film industry

in general.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/new-york-surpasses-la-drama-714311

This development season, the most lucrative genre filmed in New York more than ever before, while the Los Angeles share fell to a record low.

During this past development cycle, more drama pilots were filmed in New York City than in Los Angeles for the first time ever, amplifying California’s runaway production problem and the growth of movie and TV production activity in New York thanks to generous government incentives.

During the 2013-14 pilot season, which ran from January through April, New York was the city of choice for 24 drama pilots compared to 19 in Los Angeles. That was one of the revelations in an annual report on TV pilot production by nonprofit group Film LA released Tuesday. Film LA’s lead researcher, Adrian McDonald, says that makes New York “North America’s most attractive location for one-hour TV pilot production.”

New York production has been on the rise since 2009, when it boosted tax incentives available for movies and TV to one of the highest levels in the nation, currently allocating $430 million a year to its incentive program.
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Not sure if this applies to porn, but it could be another potential cause.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Everybody and their bastard brother Bob has a video camera, usually with their phone.

So almost anyone can become a "movie studio", albeit a low-budg one. But low budg has never been much of a hurdle, with porn.

That's part of why "the industry" doesn't need to center on Southern California anymore, I suspect. The larger picture is that fewer people are paying for porn, because there is so much out there for free.

[stevenleser]

51. No question. But for those studios still trying to make a go of it... the might be being lured

by various locales trying to get them and their tax money.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. I don't know if I'm ready for a New Yorker vibe in my smut, honestly.

"HEY! WATCHITWILLYOO? I'M FUCKIN' HERE!"

[Calista241]

37. The internet would not exist as it does today

Without porn.

[hedgehog]

39. Yes, if there was no porn, the internet would be free of porn.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. ... lol ...

funny how that works.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. SQUEEEEEE

so whens it gonna happen? Got a date? I can't wait! I've been promised a porn-free internet! Oh goody whenwhenwhenWHEEEENNNN?????

[Ikonoklast]

66. Looks like Snow White didn't ask her partners to use condoms.

Got a bad case of the clap.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. OUCH

Thats gonna leave a mark. A red one.

[hedgehog]

43. The government of LA County has ensured that porn workers in its

jurisdiction can not be legally exposed to STDs. It is not responsible for what happens elsewhere. The County government has no control elsewhere, nor can it keep the porn industry from moving out of LA County. Historically, some industries have always moved on rather than ensure worker safety, follow anti-pollution requirements, paid required wages, etc. If we let any industry dictate terms and conditions, we'd still have kids working in cotton mills.

[stevenleser]

59. No it hasn't. It has reduced the risk, but it has not "ensured they can not be... exposed to STDs"

No medical professional will tell you that condoms will 100% eliminate the risk of STD infection.

[redqueen]

61. No medical professional will tell you that most OSHA guidelines or regulations will 100% eliminate

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the risk of many of the health risks which those guidelines and regulations are intended to mitigate.

It is so interesting how these issues get so distorted for so many liberals when the industry in question is the sex industry.

[stevenleser]

91. I am addressing that poster's exact comments which were inaccurate.

My comments have nothing to do with what you wrote.

[mercuryblues]

92. you skipped

right over that word legally.

[stevenleser]

93. That word has no meaning in that context. nt

[mercuryblues]

96. It does

Production companies are also to test the workers for HIV and STD's.

If they violate these the workers now have a recourse- a civil lawsuit for loss of wages. The same as any other industry that violates labor laws and a worker gets injured.

Porn workers are 8 times more likely to get an STD than the general public. They also have a 25% reinfection rate within a year.

[stevenleser]

97. No, it doesnt. Either something protects 100%, or it doesnt. Thats a medical issue, not a legal one.

[mercuryblues]

105. well

compared to Nevada brothels, whose workers are subject to the same law. HIV is non existent. The STD rate is negligible and is contributed to non compliance between the worker and the client. Not to the owners insistence of not using condoms.

Again now that there is a law to protect workers the workers have a recourse for loss of income when an employer insists on breaking the law for $$$ and the worker ends up with an STD or worse.


Nothing is 100 sure. But there are things that can to be done to mitigate the risks.

[redqueen]

124. *crickets*

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Content producers in general are feeling the pinch of the internet.

I doubt it is the condom law specifically. More likely that there is a plethora of pulchritudinous pornography, a panoply, nay a panoptica of perverted priapism, available for a pittance.

[kwassa]

100. Pshaw.

[RKP5637]

57. People post amateur porn for free, never understood why some pay for pro porn. n/t

[beaglelover]

64. Amateur porn is crap.

Most of the porn posted to the internet by amateurs is not good. Most of the people performing are not hot and there is one camera angle. If I'm gonna watch porn I want the performers and the action to be HOT!

[RKP5637]

79. ...

[Trillo]

62. I remember when that law was discussed on DU.

I don't have a link, it's long gone. Anyway, IIRC, the actors and actresses reportedly said they were not comfortable with the new regulations, and producers reportedly threatened to move to other locations. So, if the advocates for this law couldn't foresee this result, it was only because they refused to see it, perhaps were blind, or perhaps intended to capture that same business elsewhere.

[BainsBane]

71. Or perhaps some of us thought

human life matters?

[BainsBane]

69. This is a shame on porn consumers

That they insist on porn that endagers the lives of performers.

Consumers could change this by only consuming porn that uses condomns.

Look in the mirrror and ask yourself if your enjoyment is really worth the loss of lives? If so, what does that make you?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

107. People don't like condoms. You might as well be complaining about kids not liking brussel sprouts.

Porn, regardless of what one thinks about it, is fantasy. Things that invade that fantasy reduce its marketability. The idea of porn itself is easy, care-free sex. Condoms just ruin that aspect.

The production groups know that if they abide by the law those who are not obligated to the law will beat them in the market.

We can encourage people to use condoms for health reasons but no experienced person uses condoms to enhance their enjoyment. They're a nuisance at best.

[BainsBane]

114. and the part about it's killing people?

That shouldn't concern anyone? It's okay because sex matters more than human life? "Liberals" will just ignore it because only "conservatives" want to regulate sex? "Liberal" now means concern only for self and to hell with anyone who interupts their fantasy?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

115. If you're so absolutely convinced of your argument then mandate condoms for ALL

sexual relations that aren't long term and monogamous. Anything else would be killing people, apparently.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

73. Oh goody another porn thread

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Scoot over.

[name not needed]

119. I brought crayons.

[Garthem]

80. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Iron Man]

81. It was a stupid law.

I'm not surprised by this at all.

[Warpy]

85. While they moan about the condom rule

the truth is that the production of it porn more tolerated and cheaper in places like Las Vegas. In addition, that city also draws green kids from the heartland with stars in their eyes and stardom in their hearts, dreaming of breaking into dancing or other showbiz.

Even internet porn has to be produced somewhere and lofts in big cities aren't as reasonably priced as they used to be.

[flamingdem]

103. This will impact ancillary sellers of video products etc.

LA needs more work, not less.

[Yavin4]

108. Why aren't the proponents of this law fighting for boxers/MMA fighters to wear head gear or

banning college football from L.A. These activities damage the participants far more than porn movies have damaged porn performers.

Because porn involves sex, then it's easier to mobilize against it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

112. "porn involves sex, then it's easier to mobilize against it."

It's something we can all push for.

[Throd]

116. Are you going to replace those jobs Isadore?

burn the village to save it

[Sheldon Cooper]

132. Good. n/t