If we needed any proof that the 2nd Amendment applies to whites only.....

[RandySF]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NutmegYankee (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Relatives of John Crawford, the man shot dead by police at a Beavercreek Walmart, say they’ve contacted civil rights organizations because they believe the shooting was not justified.

They believe he was killed possibly after he picked up a toy gun in the store.

Crawford, 22, of Ridge Drive in Fairfield, was identified as the man Beavercreek police shot and killed Tuesday night.

LeeCee Johnson, who said she is the mother of Crawford’s children, said she was on a cell phone call with Crawford when he was shot by officers. She said Crawford went to the area to visit family members.

“We was just talking. He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him,” she said, adding: “And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”


http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/man-police-shot-in-walmart-killed-over-fake-gun-fa/ngw77/?nmredir=true&__federated=1

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

1. Considering most so-called shall issue...

states refuse to issue to minorities, it's long been known that is true.

I live in Bellevue, WA, and I know at least seven people that have been illegally denied a CWP here. I'm glad they were because I disagree with CWPs, but I'm concerned about how they were denied because of their race.

[IronGate]

3. Do you have any proof of your claim? nt.

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

4. Huh?

I went with one friend since he was my ride home, and they told him that they were out of the printed forms and that they were scheduled to receive more in July. This was in November. Of course I can't prove that they told him that because he is Indian, but it certainly seemed fishy.

[IronGate]

5. By proof, I meant a breakdown of state statistics of those that were denied compared

to those that were granted.
I have plenty of friends who are other than Caucasian that have been granted a CHL.
Shall Issue means that if the applicant passes all the requirements, the issuing authority has no discretion in the matter, they must issue the permit no matter what race they are.

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

10. Denied?

How would they be counted in the statistics if they get the run around before they're even given the opportunity to apply for it? I'm very much against it, especially since here the legally required waiting period is waived if someone has one, but I'm more against the law being applied unfairly. I met Linda Pillo, the police chief here, when she came into our restaurant after my boss questioned the run around several coworkers got, and I was under the impression that it wasn't race-related, but I can't prove that. I just know that this state is shall issue, and the police here refuse to issue.

[IronGate]

13. You're in WA. right?

You're state has a preemption law that says only the state can set firearms laws.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.290

RCW 9.41.290

State preemption.


The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

That would put your local police dept. at odds with state law and your friends should challenge it in court where they would win.

[Eleanors38]

9. You may not like the NRA. Quite understandable...

Just make a call to them stating your belief gun laws in Bellvue (or Anywhere) are discriminatory.

Make the call. Report back. Thanks.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. Can you prove these people were denied CWPs for reasons other than their race?

[IronGate]

7. How can I, they're not my friends,

but see post #5.

[Hoyt]

14. I believe him, Irongate. What makes you question him?

We need to deny permits to most white folks arming up, if the truth matters.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. The cure to racist government is to disarm non-racist citizens?

Woo.

[elleng]

2. Yup.

I have relatives there. White.

[Eleanors38]

8. Pushing this balogna again. Blacks and other minorities

have more access to firearms than ever, since the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Go to the range and see for yourself. Jeeez.

BTW, why is this in GD? You have two (2) groups for posting a local incident about LEO use of firearms.

[cui bono]

12. Clearly you didn't even bother to read the OP. n/t

[cui bono]

11. And Stand Your Ground as well. n/t

[Politicalboi]

15. 2 people killed

WTF were these "cops" thinking. They also killed a mother who was trying to get her kids out of harms way.

[NutmegYankee]

17. Locking.

Per the SOP, local gun stories are not to be posted in GD. Please post them here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172
Thanks.