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Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:41 PM Aug 2014

Fair for the Palestinians to force the cancellation of Israeli concerts, or pure terrorism?

The media reports today that Lana Del Ray, the sultry songstress, just postponed her concert in Tel Aviv to avoid possible risk from Hamas rockets. http://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Arts/Lana-Del-Reys-Tel-Aviv-show-postponed-due-to-Gaza-crisis-370516

To me, this just doesn't seem fair. A lot of hard working Israeli high school students saved up to see the pop star live. And now they will have to wait. I guess they can watch her on Youtube in the meantime, but anyone who has been to a live concert can you that the two experiences just don't compare.

The goal of terrorism to strike fear into people's hearts so they are forced to alter their daily routine. And it seems this time around terrorism won, with the victim being high school students, who are too young to have fought in war, and most of whom do not even follow politics. Is this really fair? Shouldn't Hamas stop? Is enough ever enough?

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Fair for the Palestinians to force the cancellation of Israeli concerts, or pure terrorism? (Original Post) Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 OP
Are you fucking kidding? Kids in Gaza are getting blown up in UN schools and hospitals NightWatcher Aug 2014 #1
If the Palestinians want to punish Israeli adults . . . Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2014 #6
Well, if they can get refunds, I would say Hamas did them a favor . . . Strelnikov_ Aug 2014 #2
Lol! 'Hamas did them a favor'! sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #112
Sophisticated satire. k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #4
I sure as hell hope so Cal Carpenter Aug 2014 #22
Agreed. It's pretty decent PersonNumber503602 Aug 2014 #66
As far as I'm concerned? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #5
Israel would never even allow Lana del Ray to play in Palestine Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #7
What are you talking about? Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #19
Yes, America does fund the illegal blockade of Palestine Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #29
Lies: " it is the Israelis that are blocking the only ways in and out of Gaza.' Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #46
Oh bullshit Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #49
but the only reason Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #53
Countries control their own borders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #59
There is not a decades long war going on between Egypt and Palestine Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #60
charities enid602 Aug 2014 #63
wow, so glad to see you have your priorities straight. niyad Aug 2014 #8
This is sarcasm, right? notadmblnd Aug 2014 #9
that is like saying Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #17
What the hell are you talking about? Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #20
the fuck?! frylock Aug 2014 #25
That sort of logic is insane. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #31
Oh no! bravenak Aug 2014 #10
missed the issue Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #13
I do not care about a concert being postponed. bravenak Aug 2014 #15
Sorry you live in Alaska, but Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #32
I think that postponing concerts in a war zone is justified. bravenak Aug 2014 #38
You make a fair point when you point out Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #50
Are you being serious or just trolling me? bravenak Aug 2014 #56
you finally had a good idea. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #61
DID I SAY THEY WERE BAD? bravenak Aug 2014 #64
I think this poster is trying to get a rise out of people. The OP is so ridiculous it has sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #119
He forced me to yell at him. bravenak Aug 2014 #120
He DID force you to yell at him! sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #121
See #123 pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #125
Thank you! bravenak Aug 2014 #126
Alright, now I'm convinced that you're a crafty parodist. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #96
Now you are making another false attack on a DUer Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #47
"The issue is whether it is fair to punish a child for his father's sin"... regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #23
Why don't you just say outright, what your logic entails? Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #35
Where did the person you responded to say anything of the sort? Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #40
Whereas your "logic" entails... regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #73
The issue is whether it is fair to punish a child for his father's sin. frylock Aug 2014 #27
So you admit it. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #37
Who postponed the concert? bravenak Aug 2014 #41
It was not quite Gaza, but rather Hamas Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #57
Hamas had nothing to do with the concert. bravenak Aug 2014 #62
So you are close enough to Hamas to be able to speak for them? notadmblnd Aug 2014 #33
FFS malaise Aug 2014 #11
+10000 ...n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #83
where is the international community? Enrique Aug 2014 #12
another steaming pile of poo. KG Aug 2014 #14
Everything A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #16
So, let me get this straight Bettie Aug 2014 #18
You miss the point. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #24
The point is that you're not funny. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #30
So now you are comparing missing a Lana del Ray concert to rape? Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #34
I am saying Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #39
No one said anything suggesting anything Hamas did is "right" Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #44
I must say, the OP's "Arab" name is an unusually-creative touch for such new arrivals... regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #26
cough*sockpuppet*cough frylock Aug 2014 #28
If you must know, I am an Israeli Arab. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #42
and yet the only things you mention are the usual talking points JI7 Aug 2014 #52
I think it is rather racist to believe Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #65
this sounds like wingnuts claiming people who opposed iraq war were racist JI7 Aug 2014 #69
It is fine for Palestinian kids to be murdered for the sins of Hamas, but Israeli kids missing a uppityperson Aug 2014 #115
And yet you write in perfect idiomatic American English. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #107
i remember we had a few who did similar with names suggesting they were black JI7 Aug 2014 #51
May this mockingbird meet the same fate. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #55
Running on very little sleep, missed it Bettie Aug 2014 #110
oh, the humanity frylock Aug 2014 #21
Sounds like a first world problem to me. CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #36
A finger nail? Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #45
Yr an Israeli Arab? Where have Israeli-Arab homes been bombed? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #58
Hamas rockets have been launched at Jerusalem, which has many Arabs. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #67
err on the side of caution. probably still some hamas waiting in tunnels to pop out and off someone. Sunlei Aug 2014 #43
this is the Onion, right? n/t riverwalker Aug 2014 #48
Got to be the stupidest OP I've read in a while. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #54
You are right that Hamas is to blame for the Palestinian death. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #68
Except I didn't say that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #74
The Israeli Army WAS using Palestinian children as human shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #98
Proof? bravenak Aug 2014 #100
They simply changed the definition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #104
The sheer arrogance of Bibi expecting everyone to 'not second guess him' is breathtaking. bravenak Aug 2014 #105
The person who fires. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #94
Check his join date LittleBlue Aug 2014 #75
MIRT is aware. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #81
Ah, the smell of zombie in the evening. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #99
I feel like I just spent a day with Dan Senor and Campbell Brown. bravenak Aug 2014 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #76
You WON? bravenak Aug 2014 #80
That bad and worse. malokvale77 Aug 2014 #86
At first I thought he was serious. bravenak Aug 2014 #88
I must admit... malokvale77 Aug 2014 #95
Yeah, it might be time to shut this whole thing down. bravenak Aug 2014 #97
Yup malokvale77 Aug 2014 #102
Good night. bravenak Aug 2014 #103
If you named yourself after this guy you may want to read this: catnhatnh Aug 2014 #72
A "name" in common...and damn near nothing else. regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #78
This is one of the most bizarre posts I've ever read on DU RFKHumphreyObama Aug 2014 #77
Yes I agree, I am currently judging the level of maliciousness in the postings Dragonfli Aug 2014 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #87
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST TODAY!!! bravenak Aug 2014 #90
Quick, break out the butterfly nets... This ain't real. freshwest Aug 2014 #118
A shameless display. Or shameful? bravenak Aug 2014 #122
You remind me of the guy with the MASTERS IN COMMUNICATION!!!! Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #91
Or the Black Knight. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #93
That was hilarious malokvale77 Aug 2014 #101
Oh, My Gawd! Angry sales man on the attack! Worst job interview Ever! freshwest Aug 2014 #116
The worst thing ever malokvale77 Aug 2014 #85
Lady Gaga is set to perform in Tel Aviv on Sept. 13. oberliner Aug 2014 #89
Hamas will tell her not to bring her scantily clad self to Israel. bravenak Aug 2014 #92
I think she backs out citing "safety concerns" oberliner Aug 2014 #106
Interesting that you're the only person taking this clownish OP seriously. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #108
Was it meant as a joke? oberliner Aug 2014 #109
Very funny. Are you a comedian? Lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #111
Gallows humor right? I'm a big fan of the Onion fujiyama Aug 2014 #113
Are you for real? akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #114
Your post is not only bizarre, it is ridiculous! Palestine existed before Jews were relocated akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #117
Palestinians force cancellation of Ahmed Aftab concert. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #123
Perfect, LOL! pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #124
he was a TROLL? no WAY!! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #127
One of the truly tragic consequences of war. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #128

NightWatcher

(39,370 posts)
1. Are you fucking kidding? Kids in Gaza are getting blown up in UN schools and hospitals
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:44 PM
Aug 2014

I think the Israeli kids will be okay if they miss a pop concert.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
3. If the Palestinians want to punish Israeli adults . . .
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

all of whom served in the military, perhaps there is some justification. But what did the Israeli youth do to deserve punishment? They have never even voted for anything the Israeli government did. What justification can there ever be for punishing the ones entirely innocent? Should we punish kids for their fathers' supposed lapses?

Response to Ahmed Aftab (Reply #3)

Strelnikov_

(8,090 posts)
2. Well, if they can get refunds, I would say Hamas did them a favor . . .
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:46 PM
Aug 2014

based on the youtube's I just sampled.

No wonder Duane is still revered over 40 years after his death.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
5. As far as I'm concerned?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:56 PM
Aug 2014

Israel should be boycotted until they withdraw from their illegal settlements and cease practising de facto apartheid in the West Bank.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
7. Israel would never even allow Lana del Ray to play in Palestine
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:58 PM
Aug 2014

You are talking about a single concert being cancelled, the blockade of Gaza that prevents anyone from entering or leaving the area means that Gaza won't get any concerts. The children of Gaza have suffered far worse than a cancelled concert however, they have been killed in the schools that Israel bombed.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
19. What are you talking about?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:28 PM
Aug 2014

It is the American government that tells American citizens like Lana del Ray not to go to Gaza.

"The United States Government for some time has warned American citizens to avoid travel to Gaza. Due to the situation there, the U.S. government cannot assist Americans in entering Gaza and cannot provide assistance in exiting Gaza. American citizens who decide in spite of this warning to enter Gaza should understand that many American citizens have found themselves unable to exit Gaza once they entered." http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/border-crossings.html

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
29. Yes, America does fund the illegal blockade of Palestine
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:38 PM
Aug 2014

Ultimately it is the Israelis who are blockading Gaza however, that certainly does not mean Americans have nothing to do with it but it is the Israelis that are blocking the only ways in and out of Gaza. You know as well as I do, there is no way in hell the Israelis would ever allow any popular musicians to put on concerts in Gaza. They won't even allow the people of Gaza to have as much food as they need, when they limit the number of calories that can cross the wall they are certainly going to limit people bringing musical equipment past the wall.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
46. Lies: " it is the Israelis that are blocking the only ways in and out of Gaza.'
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

Egypt is blockading Gaza as much as Israel is, but I don't see you complaining as much as you do at Israel. That is pure discrimination.

See http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/hamas-warns-restarting-war-demand-gaza-blockade-lifted-egypt-talks

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
49. Oh bullshit
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:04 PM
Aug 2014

There is a huge difference in that Egypt is not occupying Gaza. Egypt has border security as most nations do, but they are not occupying anyone's land and limiting how much food they can eat nor are they bombing the Palestinian's homes and killing their children.

And for the record: I am not saying Egypt is right either, I am just saying that you are using a false equivilence.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
53. but the only reason
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:10 PM
Aug 2014

that Egypt is not bombing is that there haven't been Palestinian rockets fired into Egypt.

And Egypt is no less occupying Gaza than Israel is because Israel withdrew its troops, and is merely controlling the borders, as Egypt does too.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
59. Countries control their own borders.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:16 PM
Aug 2014

Israel controls Israel's borders, Egypt controls Egypt's borders.

But Most of Gaza has a border that is not shared with any other country. The watery one. And the only one blockading that is Israel.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
60. There is not a decades long war going on between Egypt and Palestine
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:16 PM
Aug 2014

This conflict between Israel and Palestine did not begin with rockets, Israel walls Palestinians into a cramped area, does not allow them to have an airport or a seaport within their own borders, they limit the amount of food that can go in and how much Palestinians are allowed to eat. A nation is allowed to protect their own borders, they are not allowed to imprison a people within their borders and prevent them from leaving even if by air or sea.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
9. This is sarcasm, right?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:02 PM
Aug 2014

And you're right, the experience of watching on Youtube doesn't even come close to being in a crowded, stuffy arena, sitting next to some stranger passed out in a puddle of his own puke.

Poor Israeli children are even more deprived than those lucky Palestinian children being denied life and limb.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
17. that is like saying
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:21 PM
Aug 2014

That is like saying kill all black people because one of them committed a murder. The Israeli children are too young to have done any crime. Yet Hamas aims to punish them.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
20. What the hell are you talking about?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014

Nothing in the post you responded to said anything remotely like "kill all black people because one of them committed a murder.". Seriously, you should be ashamed at your complete misrepresentation of what was said.

And by the way every single child that was killed in this current conflict was killed by Israel, no Israeli children have been killed but hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed some of who died when Israel bombed their schools.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. Oh no!
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:02 PM
Aug 2014

A concert postponed?!? I guess thats supposed to be worse than bombing a UN shelter.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
13. missed the issue
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:15 PM
Aug 2014

The issue is not what person suffered the most. The issue is whether it is fair to punish a child for his father's sin. If you ask Hamas if the concert should be allowed, Hamas will say no. Hamas is quite happy to have stopped it, the same way Hamas gloats over shutting Israel's airport down for one day last month.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
15. I do not care about a concert being postponed.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:19 PM
Aug 2014

They get postponed up here all the time because we are so far from the Lower 48. We do not cry about our children being punished because a concert got postponed or canceled. You cannot bomb your closest neighbor without it coming back to haunt you in many ways. There will be more concerts cancelled as long as the right wingers on both sides keep fighting.

Isreal needs to stop sending out bad internet PR people. It's harmful to their cause, not helpful.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
32. Sorry you live in Alaska, but
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:40 PM
Aug 2014

your logic makes no sense. There are deserts in Africa where people regularly die from heat stroke. You argue that it is justified for an innocent and apolitical Israeli to die from heat stroke because it happens all the time in other places.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
38. I think that postponing concerts in a war zone is justified.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:50 PM
Aug 2014

Basketball camp was canceled too.
You are harming your cause by being so obtuse.

My position is that the children of Gaza are innocent too. And they are dying by the hundreds for something that has nothing to do with them, and you want I should get upset about a CONCERT being postponed? Yo. That's crazy.

Nobody is going to DIE in the desert if a concert gets postponed, so I have no idea what you're going on about with that one. At least try to make your analogies or whatever they are, make sense.

All of Palestine is currently under collective punishment by Israel, right now, even the children. Why shouldn't we care about that, as opposed to a stupid concert being postponed? You are minimizing the deaths of hundreds of children when you post something so insensitive.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
50. You make a fair point when you point out
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:06 PM
Aug 2014

that Israeli basketball camps have been cancelled too through the intentional act of Hamas to end such camps.

Israel currently has only two people in the NBA. It is not fair. To perform at such a high level, a kid basically has to go to basketball camp every summer. You cannot miss even one. So now there will be Israeli children who will never make it to the NBA. They had the skill. They had the drive. And now through no fault of their own, they will never make it. Hamas is gloating.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
56. Are you being serious or just trolling me?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:14 PM
Aug 2014

I really want to know. The only people I see GLOATING are the right wingers from Likud.

And how do you know who has the skill or the drive to be in the NBA? Are you Phil Jackson now? Ya know, they can come to BB camp here if they want to. Israel is our bestie and I'm sure you can start a fund on kickstarter to help fund the trip to BB camp in the states for all of those fine athletes. Warning!! Americans are the best BB players in the world, and they will end up competing with our best players for a spot in the NBA so, they still may not get to realize their dreams, even if they are good.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
61. you finally had a good idea.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:18 PM
Aug 2014

I should try to raise money to bring Israeli kids to American basketball camp.

And if Israelis are so bad at basketball, how did two of them make it to the NBA, surpassing millions of Americans?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
64. DID I SAY THEY WERE BAD?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:23 PM
Aug 2014

NO. I JUST SAID, FULL OF NATIONAL PRIDE, I ADMIT, THAT WE ARE THE BEST AT THE SPORT WE CREATED! STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO PEOPLES MOUTHS!!

ONLY TWO? WELL I GUESS LEBRON SHOULD JUST HANG UP HIS SHOES!! ALL THE KIDS PLAYING IN THE HOOD BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE ONCE THAT CHILDREN'S BB CAMP IS FINISHED, THEY'LL BE OUT OF A JOB FOR SURE.

I made the words bigger, like how people yell at me because they think I don't speak english, and if they talk louder, I'll somehow understand them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
119. I think this poster is trying to get a rise out of people. The OP is so ridiculous it has
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 02:33 AM
Aug 2014

to be an attempt at satire. Because no one would seriously put forth the notion that the cancelled performance of a, (according to someone who actually clicked one of the links), not very good singer can be compared to the slaughter of hundreds of children.

I think people are just having fun with him/her at this point.

Well, I hope it is an attempt at satire. I would hate to think anyone could actually believe the notion that a cancelled concert is equal in 'punishment' to hundreds of dead children. But you never know.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
120. He forced me to yell at him.
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 02:36 AM
Aug 2014

You were all just human shields caught in the storm.

I know I shouldn't feed into it but, he caught me off guard. I believe about zero percent of what he says about himself.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
47. Now you are making another false attack on a DUer
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

Bravenak did not say anything remotely suggesting she wanted to see Israelis die of heat stroke. This is at least the third time in this thread that you completely lied about what the person you are responded to said.

regnaD kciN

(27,426 posts)
23. "The issue is whether it is fair to punish a child for his father's sin"...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
Aug 2014

Too bad you can't ask the opinion of the 400+ Gazan children killed over the past few weeks, not even for their own fathers' sins, but for the sins of complete strangers with whom they probably never came even remotely in contact.


 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
35. Why don't you just say outright, what your logic entails?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:45 PM
Aug 2014

You are really saying that yes, it is justified to punish uninvolved Israeli children for their father's supposed sins.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
40. Where did the person you responded to say anything of the sort?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:51 PM
Aug 2014

I sure as hell did not see anything from the person you responded to suggesting they believed it was OK to punish Israeli children. This is not the first time you have misrepresented a person's words in this thread in a vile manner, you should be ashamed at your blatant misrepresentations.

regnaD kciN

(27,426 posts)
73. Whereas your "logic" entails...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:48 PM
Aug 2014

...that it's horrible, horrible that some Israeli teenagers have to miss a concert, but fine'n'dandy that several hundred Palestinian children have their lives snuffed out because of a paramilitary group to which they had no connection whatsoever.



frylock

(34,825 posts)
27. The issue is whether it is fair to punish a child for his father's sin.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

you should direct the question to that fucking vampire, Netanyahu, and his supporters, some of whom post on this site.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
37. So you admit it.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:48 PM
Aug 2014

At least you are being honest when you say that, if you have a grievance with person A, and he punishes your child, you are justified to punish his child, as long as you pose to A the question of why he got the kids involved.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
41. Who postponed the concert?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:52 PM
Aug 2014

I bet It wasn't Gaza that called her up and told her it was a no go.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
57. It was not quite Gaza, but rather Hamas
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:15 PM
Aug 2014

Hamas would never allow a scantily clad woman to sing for a concert. It does not matter what Israel does, del Ray cannot go to Gaza until Hamas is overthrown.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
62. Hamas had nothing to do with the concert.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:19 PM
Aug 2014

Israel had many concerts while Hamas (i say that with the hardest 'H' possible, scary right?) was in control of Gaza. Remember? I suppose they must have had hundreds of concerts in the last ten years. Even with scantily clad female forms. Whooo!

Please stop acting like Hamas is in control of the Israeli government. It's bullshit.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
12. where is the international community?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

these fans need an emergency airlift to Lana's next tour stop.

Bettie

(19,219 posts)
18. So, let me get this straight
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

Some kids in Israel might not get to see a concert and we're supposed to shed tears over that.

Some kids in Gaza won't survive the next week and that is A-OK.

Priorities. Wow.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
24. You miss the point.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
Aug 2014

The point is not that the Gaza kids have it so great. I never touched on that topic.

Let's say your brother got murdered, and your sister got raped. Since murder is worse than rape, does this mean you call what happened to your sister nothing to get upset about?


 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
39. I am saying
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:50 PM
Aug 2014

it is illogical to call something right on the sole ground that there are greater wrongs.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
44. No one said anything suggesting anything Hamas did is "right"
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:55 PM
Aug 2014

We do however think anyone who would show more outrage over a Lana del Ray concert being cancelled than they do over the bombings of schools and hospitals seriously has their priorities out of whack. I like Lana del Ray, but I think the cancelling of her show is pretty insignificant when compared to the slaughter of 2,000 people most of whom were innocent.

regnaD kciN

(27,426 posts)
26. I must say, the OP's "Arab" name is an unusually-creative touch for such new arrivals...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:34 PM
Aug 2014


 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
42. If you must know, I am an Israeli Arab.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:54 PM
Aug 2014

Israeli Arabs like me have it better than any other Arab in the middle east. We are the richest and the only ones with democracy. And since Hamas is firing such low tech, inaccurate missiles, we Arabs are as much the target as the Israeli Jews. Pardon me for not supporting Hamas bombing Arab civilian houses, in order to take one for the team.

JI7

(93,113 posts)
52. and yet the only things you mention are the usual talking points
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:09 PM
Aug 2014

by those who are not arab/muslims claiming they have it the best.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
65. I think it is rather racist to believe
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

that we Israeli arabs cannot possibly oppose Hamas rocket fire that endangers us, as much as it does Israeli Jews. And not one of us Israeli arabs is ignorant that we have it better than any other Arab here. For you to suggest otherwise is call all Israeli Arabs dumb.

JI7

(93,113 posts)
69. this sounds like wingnuts claiming people who opposed iraq war were racist
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:35 PM
Aug 2014

because it meant they thought arabs couldn't live in a democracy or some other shit.

uppityperson

(115,992 posts)
115. It is fine for Palestinian kids to be murdered for the sins of Hamas, but Israeli kids missing a
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:55 AM
Aug 2014

concert due to the sins of their fathers is unacceptable? And you call racism on that DUer?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
107. And yet you write in perfect idiomatic American English.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:51 PM
Aug 2014

You have quite a facility for languages. Can you please repeat your previous post in Arabic and Hebrew? As an Israeli Arab you surely speak both and can do so effortlessly and quickly.

JI7

(93,113 posts)
51. i remember we had a few who did similar with names suggesting they were black
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:08 PM
Aug 2014

while posting a bunch of racist crap. but they were called out and banned.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
36. Sounds like a first world problem to me.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:46 PM
Aug 2014

Damn I heard an Israeli teen broke a fingernail. Now they are the same as the dead children of Gaza.

 

Ahmed Aftab

(55 posts)
45. A finger nail?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:55 PM
Aug 2014

As discussed above, I am an Israeli Arab. And since Hamas is firing such low tech, inaccurate missiles, we Arabs are as much the target as the Israeli Jews. Pardon me for not supporting Hamas bombing Arab civilian houses, in order to take one for the team.

Violet_Crumble

(36,379 posts)
58. Yr an Israeli Arab? Where have Israeli-Arab homes been bombed?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:15 PM
Aug 2014

If yr Israeli Arab, yr Palestinian. Which makes me wonder if you are what you say you are, why yr totally supportive of Israel bombing the homes of Palestinians and in the process killing well over a thousand of them.

On the subject of artists refusing to play in Israel. Tough shit. There's quite a few in the past who have refused to play in Israel due to the occupation. Elvis Costello and the Pixies are among them. And while Pearl Jam have never played there or made any comment that they weren't going to, Eddie Vedder's anti-war comments that didn't specifically mention Israel was enough to send Israelis into a rage and the FaceBook page that had been set up to try to get them to play in Israel was changed to the equivalent of 'Fuck off, anti-semites! We never want you to play here!'

If yr so upset that some Israeli teen won't see Lana Del Rey, you should be out there with the other Israelis protesting what their government is doing to the people of Gaza.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
43. err on the side of caution. probably still some hamas waiting in tunnels to pop out and off someone.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 06:55 PM
Aug 2014

just like in boston when those bombers were out and about, everything closed down. And there were just 2 of them.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
54. Got to be the stupidest OP I've read in a while.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:13 PM
Aug 2014

Shouldn't Hamas stop? They should stop firing rockets, yes. But that has nothing to do with some concert.

They should instead make a full on move to political action, and abandon violence like the Northern Irish did. And do their damndest to capture other militants who refuse to abandon violence and hand them over to be tried for their crimes.

Because the acts of violence they commit only give RW Israeli governments cover to continue to grind every Palestinian down.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
71. Except I didn't say that.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:41 PM
Aug 2014

The people who fired the rockets or bullets or mortars that hit the people that died are to blame for the deaths.

Saying someone 'forced you' to kill someone else is a complete cop-out.

Hamas is responsible for killing 67 Israelis. (in this latest go round)

The IDF is responsible for killing 1700+ Palestinians.

What I actually said was that what Hamas does allows Israel to pretend Hamas is responsible for the Palestinian deaths. Not that they actually are.

The person who pulls the trigger is responsible, as well as the person who orders the trigger to be pulled. No matter what excuses anyone comes up with, no one else is ultimately responsible.

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
79. The Israeli Army WAS using Palestinian children as human shields.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:53 PM
Aug 2014

You should KNOW that, being from Israel and all. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/neighbors-won-t-be-serving-1.171577

I can see why they may want to point the finger at Hamas to deflect from their own sins.

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
100. Proof?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:24 PM
Aug 2014

Where is your proof? I used an Israeli source as my proof of Israeli crimes. Be ashamed if you want to, but stop conflating Palestinian with Hamas. I would appreciate it.

They may have banned the practice, but they used it for years and now accuse others of doing it without any proof. And not IDF propaganda proof. I want witnesses from THIS conflict saying they were used as shields by Hamas. You know, tied to vehicles, used to open suspected bombs, real actual non forced accounts from actual Palestinian human shields. Just like the victims of the IDF. No propaganda.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
104. They simply changed the definition.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:33 PM
Aug 2014

The expansive new Israeli definition of 'used as human shields' is 'were in the vicinity of'.

Hamas fighter visits his family, and Israel bombs the entire building to kill him? Well, he was using the dozens of families in that building as 'human shields'.

Completely ignoring the fact that if Israel actually considered those people 'shields' of any kind, they wouldn't have fired a missile or lobbed a mortar. They were simply written off as collateral damage, instead, before the attack was even launched.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
105. The sheer arrogance of Bibi expecting everyone to 'not second guess him' is breathtaking.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:40 PM
Aug 2014

The more he talks, the more I'm sure he manipulated the situation and hands out rockets to Hamas' rivals to make them look bad. Just like they funded Hamas to make Fatah look bad. Anything to not make a deal for a viable state. Hamas denies firing rockets all the time. Since when do terrorist groups deny their handiwork on a regular basis? Terrorists love taking credit. It's what they do.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
94. The person who fires.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:01 PM
Aug 2014

If you, as a cop, shoot someone, you're responsible for shooting them. If the terrorist shoots a hostage, they're responsible. The person who physically shoots someone else is responsible for shooting them.

I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in America, we don't tell the cops it's fine to just bomb a school full of kids because a terrorist is hiding in there. We expect the cops to figure out how to get the guy without the cops actually shooting any bystanders or blowing up the building. And any bystanders who do get shot by cops (or their surviving family) are going to sue the cops if they do get shot.

If someone is a 'human shield', then you don't shoot them. Period, end of story. You don't simply shoot good people so you can get a chance to shoot bad people. If you do, congrats, you're now a bad person too.

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
70. I feel like I just spent a day with Dan Senor and Campbell Brown.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:37 PM
Aug 2014

And finished up with Cocktails with Bibi.

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
80. You WON?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:55 PM
Aug 2014

Self declared winners always crack me up. Is this like Bush and his 'Mission Accomplished' banner? You won like he won, then?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
88. At first I thought he was serious.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:47 PM
Aug 2014

Then I figured that could not possibly be true. Now, I'm sure he's serious again. I feel punch drunk from this. A concert? I haven't gone to one in years. I'm okay. Really.
I personally would not send out such horrible PR people.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
95. I must admit...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:13 PM
Aug 2014

I have both laughed and cried reading this crazy thread.

Punch drunk indeed.

It's like some kind of performance art. Whew.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
97. Yeah, it might be time to shut this whole thing down.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:17 PM
Aug 2014

He won the debate already so, I guess he's done trolling us for a spell. Or, he's going to start another one up.
I will bookmark this one so i can get a good WTF when my day is going too well.

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
77. This is one of the most bizarre posts I've ever read on DU
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:52 PM
Aug 2014

If it's not satire or trolling, I would be very surprised

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
82. Yes I agree, I am currently judging the level of maliciousness in the postings
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:00 PM
Aug 2014

of our bright new OP author.

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
90. THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST TODAY!!!
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:50 PM
Aug 2014

I bet you're serious. You really think you've had yourself a 'drop the mic' moment. Oh, please do keep going. This is getting live!
You debate like Ray Comfort.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
122. A shameless display. Or shameful?
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 02:56 AM
Aug 2014

This man is not a real supporter of anybody. I blame no one for him.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
101. That was hilarious
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:24 PM
Aug 2014

Thanks you made my day. On that, I think I'm heading to bed.

You all have fun now.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
89. Lady Gaga is set to perform in Tel Aviv on Sept. 13.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:48 PM
Aug 2014

Let's see what happens with that one.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
92. Hamas will tell her not to bring her scantily clad self to Israel.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:52 PM
Aug 2014

And of course she'll and Israel will bow down to the mighty right wing Hamas militants.
I'm sure the concert will go on despite the power of the Mighty Hamas.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
113. Gallows humor right? I'm a big fan of the Onion
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:46 AM
Aug 2014

I'm going to assume that this a piece of brilliant absurd satire.

Oh! the humanity of not being able to attend a Lana Del Ray concert! I suppose, they can thank Hamas for sparing them of having to listen to del Rey!

I don't need a sarcasm sign do I?

akbacchus_BC

(5,827 posts)
117. Your post is not only bizarre, it is ridiculous! Palestine existed before Jews were relocated
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 02:02 AM
Aug 2014

there, and I had no idea that a person from the West had to go through Israel to attend a conference in Ramallah! That is pretty messed up. A country existed and when UNESCO recognised Palestine as a State for educational purposes, the US pulled its funding and so did Canada. Pretty messed up! So you take your little complaint and run along! Israel is blockading Palestine.

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
128. One of the truly tragic consequences of war.
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 09:54 PM
Aug 2014

I guess it's never too early for Israeli kids to learn this sad lesson.

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