ISIS training child soldiers to kill infidels

[Rhinodawg]

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/11/15/22/is-training-children-to-kill-infidels

Disturbing footage from inside the newly founded Islamic State has shown children, as young as nine, being groomed to fight in the name of Islam and rid the world of infidels.

The alarming new documentary by US media group Vice News shows how a new generation of radicals is being trained by Islamist terrorists.

In one chilling exchange, a young boy known as Abudulla tells filmmaker Medyan Dairieh how he plans to kill the infidels.

His father, Abdullah Al-Belgian, an IS leader asks his son: "What do you want to be, a jihadist or to execute a martyrdom operation?"

"A jihadist," the baby-faced boy replied.

"Why do we kill the infidels?" his father asks. "What have they done?"

A sly-smile creeps across the youngster's lips before he replies: "They kill Muslims."

[Rhinodawg]

1. ISIS Youth.

loads of fun.

[RobertEarl]

13. Loads of American weapons

They bought or stole the weapons we left in Iraq.

That's why ISIS have made such great advance: American weapons are the deadliest.

They must be laughing their ass off at us, supplying them their weapons like that.

[NightWatcher]

2. Are they throwing babies out of incubators in the hospitals as well?

I'm not ready for the demonization of yet another enemy ahead of another conflict.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

4. OMG, I was just about to post the same thing.

[NightWatcher]

6. Great minds....

People are amazed when they do the same thing over and over again and we sit on the sidelines and yell "Bullshit".

We've seen this game before. First they demonize then we start killing, then an airstrike, then a few boots on the ground, then more instability, then the giant clusterfuck that we find ourselves with today...

[KoKo]

36. Same Here....We've been there, heard that, watched

doctored videos...aluminum tubes, yellow cake, torture of children, gassing their own people....

I don't know why certain interests thinks they can sell this over and over again.

[Rhinodawg]

5. I dont have any dog in this fight.

if they want to raise their kids to be martyrs, who am I to judge.

[Bragi]

20. Seriously?

You don't want to judge someone for teaching their kids to die as religious martyrs?

[oldhippie]

28. I thought we were not ....

.. supposed to be judgemental?

[Nye Bevan]

12. Yeah. Islamic Jihadists plotting attacks against Western infidels?

Obviously completely implausible.

[snooper2]

14. No, they are just asshole ignorant fundies who want to live in the 15th century

no education for women, they are just breeding machines, and young boys get to play with machine guns and kill anyone described as an "infidel".

You don't need to demonize them, they demonize themselves....

[LordGlenconner]

3. MSM, MIC propaganda !1!!!

[conservaphobe]

7. Ignore them and they'll GO AWAY!!!

This photo was snapped by a 'Big Oil' Summer intern!

Don't believe the propaganda.

[Rhinodawg]

8. VICE media are a bunch of RWers.

[Bragi]

22. Well then, no reason for alarm /nt

[killbotfactory]

9. In the video they send kids that young to be indoctrinated with their religious/political views

When they turn 16/17 they are trained to fight.

https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-part-1

[treestar]

10. This is not new at all

I have often heard the claim that the Palestinians train the children to be martyrs. At the back of this is the implication it should be OK to kill their kids, too.

[Archae]

17. Hamas TV shows *DO* extol the "virtues" of matyrdom to little kids.

[Rhinodawg]

19. " I will shoot the Jews"

I wish I didn't see that.

[COLGATE4]

26. Charming. Wait for the Hamas apologists in 3..2...1...

[arcane1]

11. The kid wants to kill infidels because the infidels kill Muslims?

Sounds like self-defense

Take this quote from the OP:

"God willing, this generation will fight infidels and apostates, the Americans and their allies, God willing,"

Sounds like another group whose primary gripe is American colonial exploitation in their land. Whether they are good people or bad people is irrelevant. Stop the conquest of their land and the theft of their natural wealth, and we have nothing to worry about from them.

Too simple?

[Rhinodawg]

15. Not at all.

[NuclearDem]

16. Actually their "primary gripe" is that people who don't subscribe to their version of Islam exist.

Western imperialism hasn't helped matters any, but that's not by any means their "primary gripe."

[hifiguy]

76. Unfortunately this is absolutely true.

The Romans were content with tribute and service rendered to Rome and even allowed Roman conquered/affiliated territories to keep their own local gods, for the most part. Genghis Khan followed a similar pattern. Neither sought to obliterate the populations they conquered as it simply wasn't good business.

Isis and those like them (Xtian dominionists are, naturally, the closest thing we have in the Western world) do not want to conquer, as did the Caesars and G. Khan. They are on a "holy" war to exterminate the "infidels" and "unbelievers." There is no reasoning with an eighth-century mind.

It is sad to say, but the time will come when some group of this nature eventually does lay its hands and backward minds on the Bomb or something similar. And rational civilization will have no option but to act preemptively with extreme prejudice. I am a peaceable person by nature but there is no reasoning with absolutists who shun and scorn reason in the name of fidelity to their invisible sky daddy. And reason is the only tool humanity has to survive and progress.

Sam Harris makes these points at length and far more elegantly than do I.

[seveneyes]

18. Yes, too simple and incomplete

They want to kill anyone who does not believe, follow and adhere to their fairy tale religious nonsense. Add in their blood lust and treating women as objects for their pleasure, for good measure.

[Throd]

21. Yes, too simple.

[CJCRANE]

23. The clue's in the name of the guy: "al Belgian".

It's not their land.

These are brainwashed foreign fighters.

They have no respect for the ancient cultures and monuments of the people of Iraq and Syria which managed to survive for centuries or even thousands of years before they showed up.

[Rhinodawg]

24. What does "al Belgian" mean?

[CJCRANE]

25. "The Belgian". He's from Belgium or lived in Belgium.

[Nye Bevan]

27. The words "infidel" and "apostate" do not mean "colonial exploiter".

What did we do to deserve 9/11?

[arcane1]

31. Bin Laden himself said it was because of our military bases in his Holy Land

"The presence of the USA Crusader forces on land, sea, and air in the states of the Islamic Gulf is the greatest danger threatening the largest oil reserve in the world."

He didn't attack us for our "freedom." He attacked us for our unwanted presence.

[Nye Bevan]

32. Do you think he was justified? (nt)

[arcane1]

33. Of course not. That's an absurd question.

But that was his motive. Understanding motives is important.

[CJCRANE]

70. Bin Laden's long gone. And this new breed of fighters are a "foreign presence" themselves.

Most of them are foreigners, many of them Westerners, with little knowledge of the local culture, religion or history.

[AgingAmerican]

30. They are killing other Muslims

Their 'mission' has nothing to do with colonialism. They are colonialists.

[ancianita]

38. They are jihadists. Establishing the pure caliphate. Wiping out apostates of the other sect who have

sold out to the ideas of "government" which doesn't exist under pure Islam.

[AgingAmerican]

39. Republicans don't believe in government either

Gummit doesn't exist under pure Christianity, according to the GOP.

[ancianita]

40. Several differences. The same Bible the other Christianists use doesn't build jihad as a purity

test of their Christianity. You can seek all the other parallels you wish, but you won't find a written Biblical goal to be the "sword of Christianity" jihad or the death of apostates and the 'modesty' standards of 'bagging' women or not controlling their free wills and movement such that only a male child or adult can be with them in public. Those are the ISIS standards that the ummah must capitulate to under Islam's sharia law.

Sure, I get your point. But. If you want to go farther than to call the Republican Mormons, Christian Dominionists and fundamentalists similar to Islamic theocrats, you'll risk being mocked as loony.

To the extent that Islamic fundamentalist jihadists are honest about going after Western secularists like me, I take them seriously. Beware the error of mocking them. Good foreign policy is built on taking serious believers seriously, inside and outside of this country.

Overall, I'd rather be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist.

[AgingAmerican]

41. The religious right does

And so does the bible. Read the old testament. Particularly Exodus, Leviticus and Corinthians.

Christianity calls for the extermination of humanity. The term they use is, "Armageddon®".

[ancianita]

42. Their religion is based upon the New Testament. Jesus teaching that the laws and all of the prophets

are subsumed under these Two Great Commandments:

First, love God with your whole heart, soul and mind.
Second, love your neighbor as yourself.

Not to mention the OT's Sixth Commandment of the Ten Commendments -- "Thou shalt not commit murder."

So, quoting a few tidbits from the Biblical buffet can help OTHER less than pure Christians defend fundamentalism, but not Jesus' laws above. Remember that their vote record and politics continually break the Second Great Commandment, and they know it. They just hope their rabid base will overlook that.

In the last half of the Koran, whose practice is privileged over the more 'peace' base of the first half, the call is for jihad and the killing of apostates. No such written call is made in the Christianity New Testament.

[AgingAmerican]

43. Armageddon

Isn't a tidbit. It is the end game of Christianity. There is a whole bible book about it. It is called, "Revelation".

Armageddon calls for the total extermination of humanity. No such written call is made in the Koran.

[ancianita]

44. True on the Armageddon part.False on the Koran's written call, which is the war of attrition, jihad.

Bottom line. We're not fighting each other over here. We're not genocidally wiping out disbelievers and apostates here, nor is such activity on the horizon, so stop acting as if "both religions do it." That's a Republican talking point that doesn't apply to judicious foreign policy or a clear headed look at this particular basis for land base and resource control.

Sure, our capitalism is the basis for much of our wrongdoing -- not primarily driven by religious dogma -- here and abroad, but that's for another discussion.

[AgingAmerican]

46. Christianity went through the 'jihad' phase in the middle ages

I believe it was called, "The Crusades".

Timeline for Christian Crusades and Holy War

We have advanced way beyond that to exterminating all humanity.

[ancianita]

47. You need to read the cause/effect sequence. Xians didn't attack first. They "took back." Remember?

Aggression in trade isn't the same as this 600 year-old younger religion capturing Rome or Old Testament sites.

Make your case all you want. If you want to side with any side, let's see how that turns out.

I'm pretty much done here.

[AgingAmerican]

48. Most of your anti-Muslim rants

Mirror those of my Republican brother.

I have worked with many, many Muslims over the past 15 years. They are wonderful, peaceful people. They equate ISIS or Al Quaeda with the Westboro Baptist Church.

Have a nice day!

[ancianita]

49. I don't do anti-Muslim rants. Not my style. All the Muslims I know are wonderful, peaceful people.

You have a wonderful day, too!

[FrodosPet]

61. Because killing and beheading in cold blood is almost as bad...

...as some homophobic mouth breather holding a protest sign.

So how many people did the Westboro assholes kill last month? How about last year?

If they, or any other Christian sect, is involved in active combat operations, using child soldiers, and beheading surrendered prisoners, then I support whatever measures are required to stop them.

[AgingAmerican]

62. Wow, you just don't get it

...do you? You have no clue what they mean when they say that, do you?

They see the fundamentalists as wackos. Now do you understand?

[FrodosPet]

63. Probably not, but allow me to try

A wacko is a wacko is a wacko. All wackos are equal. And to single out one particular group above all others is a bad thing.

Therefore, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is no better or worse than Westboro Baptist or Operation Rescue. We should not bomb them, we should not supply the Kurds, we should do nothing but sit back and let them do whatever they want without criticism, or only in a nice big all-inclusive religious dumfuqs criticism package.

Maybe you are all right though. I am having a hard time giving up on the idea that America can do any good in this world. Perhaps if we let them slaughter thousands, even millions of Shia, Kurds, Catholics, and whatever other poor infidel bastards are stuck there, we can find peace. Who cares if their culture, their antiquities, their existence on this Earth is wiped out? Sorry, not our problem! Bush and Cheney and Richard III means we cannot protect them without someone else hating us. We should completely stay out of it so the winning side will start to love us, or at least quit being so mad at us.

[AgingAmerican]

65. Bush and Cheney started it

The middle east was peaceful until Europeans started meddling there and dropping bombs. It's very simple stuff...for most of us that is.

Hatred blinds.

[FrodosPet]

66. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you joking?

This goes back to the beginnings of Islam itself.

It has, from the beginning, been violently imperialistic. Ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? And have you forgotten about the schism between the Sunni and the Shia, and how that ultimately feeds this, even if there were 100% western non-involvement?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split

I am not whitewashing what Bush, Cheney, etc did to make the situation worse. But this whole mess is about a whole lot of people over many centuries, not just a few Americans and Europeans over the last few decades.

[AgingAmerican]

69. Good luck with your holy war

Let us know how it turns out.

[FrodosPet]

73. It turns out with everyone dying at the end

Every draft, every revision.

[Rhinodawg]

75. I dont think its his holy war.

[joshcryer]

50. The kid doesn't even know WTF is going on.

It's the same as any child soldier type of deal. You come up to a kid, tell them he must kill, have some other poor bastard come in, have the child kill him. There, death now has no meaning, there is no mourning, it is just what it is.

There are so many documentaries on this type of thing it's actually quite silly to even remotely entertain the thought that there is physical agency on behalf of the child to go kill "infidels." He is quite literally repeating words told to him and will subsequently be fodder for drones or defense forces. Or he'll become a suicide bomber.

Either way it is programming and indoctrination and it is inherently evil.

[AgingAmerican]

29. Be afraid! Be very afraid!

[kelliekat44]

34. Maybe because most of the men between 18 and 40 have been killed already?

At what age does the IDF start its training? Perhaps if Hama were allowed to have a real military with comparable weapons to their enemies things would be different? But then to have a real military requires a real country/nation which they are not allowed to have.

[frazzled]

82. WTF?

Okay, this is as insulting to Muslims, Arabs, and others as it is to Israelis. You are lumping everyone and everything together in a very crude and uninformed way. ISIS's goal of establishing a caliphate that would bring all Muslims (including all non-Sunnis) under its political control and extreme Sharia law—by any violent means possible—has nothing to do with Hamas or Israel, and has been so reviled for its brutality and violence against citizens that even Al Qaeda has condemned it. It originated in Iraq and moved into Sunni-controlled regions in Syria. And somehow you want to bring in the IDF as the "reason" that this group trains 9 year olds? (For your information, military training in Israel, which is compulsory for all citizens, male and female, begins at age 18.)

This is just an embarrassment. Get a map, get a book, start studying history. I can't claim to be an expert or even minorly knowledgeable about most of it, but at least I'm honest enough to (a) know that it is a very complex region with many divisions and conflicts; and (b) that not all Muslims are the same, and not all of them over the age of 18 have been killed by the IDF. I know it's easy to create a bogey man in your mind to explain all the bad things in that region, but making shit up is not a legitimate tactic.

[bigtree]

35. terrorterrorterrorterrorterrorterror!

. . . rinse and repeat.

[FrodosPet]

45. Religious whackos running roadblocks, pulling people out of their cars, and...

...executing them roadside - no prisoners, no trials, just instant execution because of a minor difference of opinion. Sounds pretty terrifying to me.

But fortunately it is waydafuq over there, so no problem!

[bigtree]

51. that's one concern

. . . another is the manner in which our government and military responds to it.

I could be wrong, but I view this as another appeal or justification of the present military deployments; or, perhaps in this case, an effort to deflect from Israel's responsibility (or our military weapons aid) for their own military's barbarism.

Most of us properly condemn Hamas and ISIS, but there's a dearth of blame and shock and horror about the Israeli or the U.S. abuses and unilateral military meddling which I view as mostly counterproductive in places like Iraq and Syria.

[joshcryer]

52. People are dying.

As you sit behind your computer screen writing screed about this, screed about that, dropping canned talking points, just being dismissive of the situation as a whole.

[bigtree]

53. cheap lecturing from behind your own screen

. . . and not one word about the U.S. complicity in any of it.

Not a word about the counterproductive consequence and effect of U.S. military and CIA meddling in Iraq, Syria - not one word about U.S. complicity in arming Israel's attacks on civilian areas of Gaza and the West Bank, or the mass arrests of thousands of Palestinians without charges and their imprisonment and interrogation.; not a word

Spare me your one-sided bleeding heart.

[joshcryer]

55. What good does that do?

Score internet points? The previous US administration fucked up big time and the repercussions could easily be predicted. The current US administration may or may not have missed opportunities. The current US administration is trying to do something about it.

I have said quite a few things about Israel's excessive force. But you must be reminded of something, Bahrain had an uprising similar to Syria's. Bahrain handled it similarly to how Israel handles its internal conflicts. If Israel acted as Assad did, then perhaps you'd be calling for meddling too.

Or maybe you'd be complaining like you are here about how everyone should leave poor ISIS alone.

[bigtree]

56. you're on ignore

you have an agenda and you're stalking me with your cheap insults

talk to yourself - I'm done with you.

[joshcryer]

57. Oh good.

I'll go uncontested when I reply to your nonsense. Not that you ever put up much of a contest to begin with.

[840high]

59. Did you say that before 9/11?

[ancianita]

37. Because ISIS' teaching is: "The sword of Islam is life." They don't talk jihad. They DO jihad. Jihad

is NOT a "part" of life. It is a WAY of life. No other reasons. No wishful thinking on our part changes that reality.

[potone]

54. I am astounded that people are mocking this.

If these people succeed (which I doubt they will, but it is possible) in taking over Iraq, the consequences will be horrendous. I take their claims seriously; they have proven that they mean business by their treatment of Christians in Mosul, and now they are going after other minorities as well as the Shia. This could lead to an even greater conflagration in the Mideast, as Iran is not going to stand idly by while these fanatics take over the country.

[840high]

60. I take it very seriously. They are

wealthy barbarian whose numbers grow daily..

[FrodosPet]

64. Western 1%ers are all evil scum

But Saudi and Qatari 1%ers who are funding ISIL, Hamas, etc?

They are freedom fighters standing up against the Zionists and Crusaders.

So many good people, with good, peace seeking hearts, cannot comprehend how dangerous this philosophy is. They are burned out by the wars, and the brutality. They only want an end to the violence and bloodshed. They point at the failures, the over-reaching, the greed, and the arrogance of the western world as a complete reason to resist any martial action. In their minds we cannot condemn or react to the clear atrocities being committed because of our own historical atrocities and hypocrisies.

This is a dangerous dismissal of a group of people who must be militarily stopped - regardless of how they got there.

[CJCRANE]

68. They are all part of the same thing.

[840high]

58. I saw the picture of a

7 year old holding a severed head. Made me sick.

[CJCRANE]

67. The kid was Australian

or at least his father was.

Many of these atrocities are carried out by brainwashed Western foreign fighters.

[840high]

71. I read his father part of

the terrorist group.

[CJCRANE]

72. Yes, his father is an Australian terrorist. Many of them are brainwashed Westerners.

Brits, Americans, Canadians, Europeans of various countries etc.

[FrodosPet]

74. And people who refuse to believe that there IS a terror threat outside of the Middle East...

...really do not understand how many radicals there are in Europe and other places throughout the world.

People are anxious to stand on the other side from the NeoCons. The Iraq war, as hideous as Saddam was, damaged our standing, and further irritated an already inflamed situation.

The true roots of this problem go back centuries. Back to situations and battles long forgotten by most westerners, but vividly retold from generation to generation. And even though most Muslims want nothing to do with the blood thirst of the radicals, this does not mean that the barbarians are weak and powerless.

[hifiguy]

77. The single most dangerous force on the planet

is fundamentalist religion of any kind. Why? Because you are utterly and totally convinced that the invisible sky daddy is on your side and that nothing done in its name is wrong there is no atrocity that human beings cannot be talked into. If it's for gawd, it's always right and justified. Even torching the planet.

[FrodosPet]

78. Absolutely Agreed!

And at this point, all I can think to do is surrender and hope that whatever sins I am executed by whichever fundies for (not being a Christian, not being a Muslim, not hating gays, not wanting women to be men's slaves, being mixed race, enjoying a nice cold wheat ale or summer shandy, etc.) , that it is quick and as painless as possible.

[CJCRANE]

81. But why are the extremists mostly from countries which are our allies?

[Sunlei]

79. There is the Bush Family Legacy Picture.

Only cost the USA several trillion and about 100 future years of civilized progress

[hifiguy]

80. Oh, yeah,

you got that one right.