There is something i dont understand re the so called "rape porn".

[darkangel218]

There have been quiet a few threads here lately condemning "rape porn".What do you mean by "rape porn"? Are you referring to BDSM porn? ( majority of bdsm porn has one or more people restrained in most films ( from what I've seen).

Last time I checked bdsm and bdsm porn was legal, and I know many people who are in the lifestyle.

So what am I missing?

[upaloopa]

1. You are missing the condemnation from

people who have what Freud called a reaction formation.
That is they see something sinister in their makeup and they then project that thing onto other people as an attempt to fight what they see as sinister in themselves. They assume the exact opposite position of that one they project onto others.

[BainsBane]

42. I see. So women who dislike rape porn

are actually rapists? Is that your argument? It wouldn't be anything like opposition to rape and dehumanization of women?

If I don't get off on a snuff film, does that make me a killer? Only peace loving people like to see other human beings die?

I don't think you actually thought much about the comment because it is nonsensical.

[lovemydog]

111. No, here's an explanation of reaction formation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation

In psychoanalytic theory, reaction formation is a defensive process (defense mechanism) in which emotions and impulses which are anxiety-producing or perceived to be unacceptable are mastered by exaggeration (hypertrophy) of the directly opposing tendency.

Much more at the link.

[Scout]

82. ROFL at amateur psychoanalysis n/t

[darkangel218]

3. Thats what i thought.

Then why so much outrage about it?

[FreakinDJ]

4. because some folks get it and others don't

[Kurska]

6. Because some people want to ban it. n/t

[darkangel218]

69. Well, they may want it.

But that doesn't mean it will happen.

[CTyankee]

8. what, exactly, to you is "female rape fantasy"?

As a woman, I have never encountered it. But I don't have unicorns in my garden, either...

[merrily]

56. I see traces of it in old movies. But, I don't think they were written by women.

In old movies, of course, only a kiss is forced on a woman, usually after the male and female have been antagonistic toward each other. And, within seconds, she is practically melting under the forced kiss.

I have never had a rape fantasy, either. So, according to some yahoos, you and I are outliers. Or maybe just liars.

I think females having rape fantasies may be a male fantasy.

[CTyankee]

57. No. We're entirely normal. Why does this upset some men so much?

I mean, my husband doesn't think my opinion on this is so strange and neither do any of my male friends and relatives.

This is just weird to me.

[Tumbulu]

77. I have yet to meet anyone who has such fantasies

It has to be a primarily male fantasy. And a sick one.

[Kurska]

5. Oh god no not again.NOT AGAIN. GET TO THE RAPE PORN THREAD BUNKER

Door closes in 5 minutes, if you're still in this thread when the door closes, may god have mercy on your soul.

[darkangel218]

7. Lmao!

[Butterbean]

14. This post wins the thread. LOL! n/t

[In_The_Wind]

29. LET ME IN!

[el_bryanto]

81. yes - Rape Porn threads distract from the real issue - Legalizing Prostitution. nt

[Kurska]

110. Or an even more important issue

Getting mad at atheists

You know what I mean.

[el_bryanto]

114. I do - but so that all our friends at home can play along

why don't you link to the posts you are talking about? I think everybody would appreciate that.

Bryant

[Kurska]

115. Nah

I don't roll like that Bryanto.

[el_bryanto]

116. You just make veiled accusations without backing them up

Fair enough.

Bryant

[Kurska]

117. We both know what we're talking about.

Lets just leave it at that.

[el_bryanto]

118. What is its relevance to this discussion?

Why do you bring it up in this context? Just to fuck with me? or what?

Bryant

[Kurska]

119. Um

Do you even remember what started this?

[el_bryanto]

120. Fair enough.

I'll let you be then. Have fun.

Bryant

[Kurska]

121. Don't mistake a little good natured ribbing for malice.

Afterall, nothing said on DU or any political forum is gonna change anything.

[lovemydog]

109. duzy

[leftstreet]

9. I thought the threads concerned the use of rape porn

Specifically, on a feminist website where pictures depicting women being raped were used in the comment section on an article/s about....feminism



I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any DU threads where members debate the definition of rape porn

[Kurska]

10. You probably missed the last great DU rape porn civil war.

Yes that was a thing.

Yes it pretty much filled GD.

[darkangel218]

11. I have. threads and subthreads.

A recent post made me ask this question. I thought maybe I didn't understand what it meant?

[Butterbean]

12. I remember in AP English when my teacher started talking about

Margaret Atwood's short story "Rape Fantasies." I was 17, and the thought of something like that being a "fantasy" was just abhorrent to me. Of course, now that I'm 41, I understand that some women do indeed have that sexual fantasy, in a sense of being "taken", moreseo than the whole sexual violence thing (as I understand it). Not having explored that particular sexual fantasy avenue myself, however, I cannot speak for the people who partake, so it may indeed go beyond the whole "take me" scenario and involve violence. I dunno. At any rate, yes, it exists and it is a real thing. Put it this way: every romance novel out there where the "rogue" hero "conquers" the quivering virginal female heroine while she protests all the way but secretly enjoys it is, in essence, a rape fantasy.

[kickitup]

79. There are a couple of intriguing theories as to why some women have rape fantasies.

1) People eroticize what they fear, thus the prominence among men of cuckold fantasies. Women fear rape, so they eroticize it as a way to cope.

2) Patriarchy tries to control female sexuality by saying what is good/bad or by defining where/when. Women therefore have a difficult time engaging in certain sexual practices without guilt. By being "taken" or "forced" the heroine loses any responsibility and she can basque in her orgasms guilt free.

Those are very condensed versions of two theories and there are others. I write erotica/porn and have been trying to actually get a grip on the whole cuckold fantasy and why so many men evidently have that one. The first theory above was offered as an explanation. Men fear a more "alpha" male will or could more capably satisfy the woman so they have this fantasy where it happens.

Human sexuality is fascinating and I find it almost amusing that people get so uncomfortable with discussions of WHY. Makes me wonder what they fear.

[lovemydog]

108. I've noticed it too.

Also some get really angry and lash out. I don't know why to that either. Do you have any theories on it?

I guess it's a subject that can rile people up. I think it's a fun subject though, so I try not to get too riled up. If I do, I try not to post anger because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

I find human sexuality fascinating. And lots of people are certainly interested in it as a subject too. The human sexuality course at my university was consistently one of the most popular & informative.

It's all a part of life's rich pageant.

[seaglass]

13. hmmm

[MadrasT]

15. If someone seeks it out intentionally, that is one thing.

I don't get it, but if it's safe, sane, and consensual, well then whatever. Not my business.

If it is used to spam feminist websites (which is the latest context), it takes on the characteristic of a threat.

Threats are not cool.

Rape threats are especially not cool.

In that context, it's another lame-ass, desperate attempt to silence women's voices.

[darkangel218]

17. My OP was about what "rape porn" exactly is

Never said anything about condoning trolling of sites.

[Kali]

35. anybody with a brain can see

your perspective on trolling.

[darkangel218]

37. And anybody with a brain can see yours. nt

[lovemydog]

112. I think maybe your confusion is because there's

sort of two different things at play here.

First is porn that suggests rape fantasies.

Second is what was happening at those spamming sites.

Another might be porn that actually depicts or suggests rape, i.e., something much more heavy.

So if you're looking for working definitions (something I appreciate as well), I hope that helps a bit. I guess you'd want to ask someone with whom you're conversing though, that to which they are referring. In this subject (like many subjects!) it can all get blurry at times. I think sometimes that if different people are thinking of different definitions, then it can really lead to frustration and misunderstandings and hurt feelings on message boards.

Hope that helps a bit.

[Scootaloo]

16. don't you hate when people "ask a question," but it's really just a statement with a question mark?

[darkangel218]

18. How so?

[darkangel218]

19. My statement was about BDSM.

My question was wheter what they refer to as "rape porn", Is same as the one in bdsm flicks, which is perfectly legal

[Scootaloo]

20. Then no, it's not the same thing

As a very few moments of research could have revealed to you.

[darkangel218]

22. Okay i jusy googled. dont find anything except links to porn sites

Since you seem to know the difference, care to explain it?

[Scootaloo]

26. Rape porn is porn that depicts a scenario of rape. i.e., lack of consent or forced "consent"

BDSM pornography presents scenarios of bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and sadism and masochism.

There can of course be overlap in the depictions, just as there is between any media genres.

[darkangel218]

27. Lack of consent is depicted in Tons of bdsm films

They film the actresses/actors agreeing prior to the scenes and after. I can attest to that because I've seen them. It's perfectly legal and popular too

[Scootaloo]

30. Are you asking or telling, now?

They film the actresses/actors agreeing prior to the scenes and after.

And there's part of the big difference.

[darkangel218]

31. Im talking about BDSM

My question ( for the second time) was if the "rape porn" referenced on here lately Is same with BDSM films.

[Scootaloo]

34. And I answered you. No, it's not.

I'll now let you return to your attempt to find some shit to stir.

[darkangel218]

41. I think youre referring to yourself

Since you keep saying I'm not asking a question but making a statement instead

[Lancero]

46. Jury results, 2-5 leave

I think DA disagreed with you calling her out on this topic.

On Mon Aug 11, 2014, 06:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And I answered you. No, it's not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5370702

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unwarranted personal attack

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:00 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personally, I find both bdsm and rape porn to be disgusting. Simply put, if you get off by fantasizing about forcing yourself on someone, or by inflicting pain on them, then you have serious issues and should seek some form of psychiatric counseling.

As for this post, the 'finding some shit to stir' is why I'm hiding it. It's a pointless over the top attack.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Concise summation.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There was nothing unwarranted about what Scootaloo said, this thread is pure shit stirring and Scootaloo was correct to call it out. Darkangel is the one who deserves a hidden post not Scootaloo.

[KittyWampus]

21. So you know a bunch of people who are into abuse. Good for you. Doesn't make that a healthy outlet.

And just because two adults are legally allowed to be Master/Slave doesn't mean that behavior comes from a well adjusted psyche.

What could be more "Orwelliian" that labeling abuse as pleasurable.

And the discussion of rape porn has occurred over a period of time. Haven't you read any of those threads that you have to start an OP asking 'What do you mean by "rape porn"'?

[darkangel218]

23. BDSM is NOT abuse. Not even close

By calling a safe sane and consentual activity between two adults abuse, you're actually diminishing the real abuse

Not cool.

[darkangel218]

107. "doesnt mean that behavior comes from a well adjusted psyche"

Isn't it against the TOS to make such comments?

[Texasgal]

24. Do you have google?

You'd have an answer pretty quickly.

Just type in "what is rape porn?"

Your welcome.

[darkangel218]

25. See above. nt

[Texasgal]

28. You must not be looking very well

I pulled up a full page of definitions.

[darkangel218]

33. So post something then

[Texasgal]

38. I just gave you instructions..

You look yourself.

Don't be obtuse. You've been given the tools. Use them.

[LostOne4Ever]

76. They have a website specifically for people who ask question they could simply google for

its called "let me google that for you."

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. Google gives this =

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+rape+porn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

rape porn
Web definitions

Rape pornography is a genre of pornography involving the depiction of rape. There is some debate whether this form of pornography encourages men to commit rape. The pairing of sex with violence distinguishes the issue of rape pornography from that of pornography in general. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_porn

Rape pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_pornography
Wikipedia
Rape pornography is a genre of pornographic scene involving the depiction of rape. This genre is not unique to adult film and videos as simulated scenes of ...
‎Legality - ‎United Kingdom - ‎See also - ‎References
Is Rape Porn Illegal? - Yahoo Answers
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid...
Mar 4, 2011 - Man, that's fake. It's just porn actors doing bad acting, so it's legal (sick but legal). If it were real everyone would have been arrested and the site would ...
What's wrong with "rape porn"?
14 answers
Jun 14, 2014
Pornography fuels or prevents rape?
11 answers
Feb 1, 2013
What's up with rape porn?
3 answers
May 15, 2011

[darkangel218]

36. Okay, so rape porn IS same with some bdsm films

Thanks

[Texasgal]

40. Yeah.

That's what wiki says..



Rape pornography is a genre of pornographic scene involving the depiction of rape. This genre is not unique to adult film and videos as simulated scenes of rape, sometimes just as disturbing yet without the graphic imagery, and other forms of sexual violence have appeared in mainstream cinema almost since its advent.[1] For example, in the 1988 film The Accused actress Jodie Foster received a Best Actress Academy Award for her portrayal of rape victim Sarah Tobias.[2]

There is some debate whether this form of pornography encourages people to commit rape. The pairing of sex with violence distinguishes the issue of rape pornography from that of pornography in general. Studies of the issue produce conflicting results.[3]

[darkangel218]

43. The definition of porn implies adult films

So wiki is wrong when they start saying "rape porn is not unique to adult film and videos as simulated scenes of rape, sometimes just as disturbing yet without the graphic imagery, and other forms of sexual violence have appeared in mainstream cinema .."

Non pornographic depiction of rape is not porn.

[Texasgal]

47. So? n/t

[darkangel218]

49. Lol! you dont care if theyre wrong?

[Texasgal]

52. Wrong about what?

[darkangel218]

53. lolol ok.

[lovemydog]

113. Try to change it on wiki.

If you feel it could be improved. It's a controversial subject and it might be time consuming trying to figure out how to do it. Might be interesting for you though.

[BainsBane]

39. It's rape fantasy

Unlike BDSM, it depicts non-consensual sex. Sometime it is actually non-consensual.

Do you know the difference between BDSM and rape in real life? I really don't see what is so hard to understand.

[darkangel218]

45. If you go on BDSM sites, non consensual pretend PLAY is a big part of the BDSM lifestyle

In BDSM literature too.

It's the same thing.

Now , about the real non consentual films.. those are acts of crimes. Nothing to do with consentual play.

[mercuryblues]

44. google it

what you will find is vile. There are many out there to view, but a good chunk of it is men drugging the woman and raping her, to post on sites. Sometimes there are even babies with blood smeared on their private parts.

Rapist threaten their victims with, if you tell I will post the video on the internet. Some have and it gets widely shared.

So to answer your question, this is not about role playing. It is a way to dehumanize victims of real rape for someone to be able to masterbate to with a clear conscience.


But go ahead and have some shits and laughs, that does seem to be the purpose of this thread.

[darkangel218]

48. I think your post is over the top. In a serious way

There are a lot of aweful things posted on the internet. You seem to want to tie criminal acts to safe sane and consentual acts between 2 ( or more ) adults.

[mercuryblues]

54. No

just no. You do not get to redefine the question you originally posed. You asked what rape porn is, the fact that you do not like the answer is irrelevant. I realized seeing a 7 month old baby with a bloodied and swollen vagina is not pleasant, but they do get posted on rape porn websites. Tough shit if that visual ruins your pathetic attempt to gather some laughs and guffaws on the subject.

[darkangel218]

55. You seem to want to redefine my question.

"Rape porn " vs BDSM porn . Youre describing actual rape scenes , which is criminal and not consentual.

My OP was not to "gather laughs". Au contraire, it was to find out why the outrage over consentual acts between two adults. You depict in your previous post aweful scenes which have nothing to do with porn. Call it what they are, RAPE scenes. Nothing to do with fun play.

[mercuryblues]

62. You redefined

the question when you did not like the answer.

3. Thats what i thought.

Then why so much outrage about it?

7. Lmao!

17. My OP was about what "rape porn" exactly is

49. Lol! you dont care if theyre wrong?

53. lolol ok.

Seems you are doing a whole lot of LOLing in this thread that you are claiming is not to gather laughs.

You also did not state that you were referring to consensual acts between 2 people. Since rape, at its core, is defined as NON- consensual. You did not distinguish between the 2.

I am describing actual rape scenes that get posted on actual RAPE PORN websites. You seem to not accept that it is still rape porn.

Under your reasoning, kid porn is not porn but merely an illegal act. It can't be both.

[darkangel218]

63. I did distinguish between the two.

You just refuse to see it.

"am describing actual rape scenes that get posted on actual RAPE PORN websites. You seem to not accept that it is still rape porn. "
It's not rape porn, it's rape. There are some very sick individuals who probably find real rape as a turn on. I don't argue that. But that's illegal and it's not PORN as in the art of porn.
You keep trying to tie consentual play with criminal activity. It's not one and the same. Exceptions don't speak for the norm.

[mercuryblues]

66. No, you did

not. No matter how many times you say it, you only asked what rape porn is. Then proceeded with laughing, jokes and backslapping over your approved definition.

Are you saying you knew what rape porn was when you asked the question? Your definition of what porn is, is very narrow. The more common definition is pictures, film or other images used to generate sexual arousal. There are no qualifiers that there has been consent to or that the images are of legal acts.

Not all porn is of legally consenting adults as you seem to say.

[darkangel218]

70. This is what i said in my OP

There have been quiet a few threads here lately condemning "rape porn".What do you mean by "rape porn"? Are you referring to BDSM porn? ( majority of bdsm porn has one or more people restrained in most films ( from what I've seen).

Last time I checked bdsm and bdsm porn was legal, and I know many people who are in the lifestyle.

So what am I missing?

Do you not see where I asked if they referred to BDSM?

And to answer

Not all porn is of legally consenting adults as you seem to say

- I explained it in the other post. Some sickos have weird/criminal fetishes. And BDSM is not that. Not even remotely.

[mercuryblues]

80. I can

not see what is not there. You did not qualify rape porn with consenting adults. You used only the term rape porn. Now, I am truly sorry if what I described as rape porn is not to your liking. Even your definition of porn is narrow and does not encompass the commonly held definition. You are right you asked if rape porn was referring to BDSM. When I see a question mark at the end of a sentence I take it to mean you were actually asking a question. Not making a statement that the two are equal.

I actually thought you would understand the difference between real rape being shared on porn sites as not equal to consensual BDSM. I never even mentioned BDSM. I thought it would be obvious that what I defined, even though it was not in your parameters of what you consider rape porn is still rape porn. But I now realize you have a very convenient comprehension problem. You only want to know what consenting commercial rape porn is. Not the real rape, rape porn. Close your eyes to the ugly side of rape porn if you must. It will not make it go away. The victim's rape will still be posted on rape porn sites among the consenting adults rape porn. When you view it, just remember that not all that you are watching is scripted and agreed to. There are real victims who's rapes are being widely viewed for sexual gratification.

You asked a question. When the answer was not something you agreed with you changed definitions. I think you already had the answer in your mind when you asked. Did you? LOLOLOL You sure jumped to the backslapping and laughing real quick. One would think that instead of trying to redefine the question and redefine porn; a person instead would be appalled that a person being raped is viewed for sexual gratification.

[JaydenD]

71. Thank you.

I couldn't stomach a reply to this innocent doe eyed bambi pretend question.

[darkangel218]

72. What needed to be said has been said.

And no personal attacks are going to change the fact that BDSM is completely awesome. It's a lifestyle that many take it very seriously. And just because some cant understand it/are not into it, it doesn't mean it's something wrong with it.

I despise criminal acts just like everyone else. But play/pretend is not a criminal act.

[JaydenD]

73. You asked what rape porn was and you got answers.

I don't understand your reasoning here. You got the answer but now you are talking about something totally different and connecting the two somehow.

No need to reply, I have nothing further to say to you.

[elehhhhna]

58. stop aalready we get it

[darkangel218]

59. Stop?

You can't tell another poster not to post.
And we as in who?

[elehhhhna]

60. I can't?!! Fine, then I think your post is over the top. In a serious way

howzat for bossin'?

[darkangel218]

61. Youre free to say whatever you want, and others can tell you how they feel about it

But no one can try to order another poster to shut up.
And you still haven't explained who the "we" are .

[Kali]

67. !

you try all the time to tell people to stop, especially when they point out the obvious to you or about your behavior. even funnier is when you "report" people for it.

[darkangel218]

68. Lmao!! Look who's talking about "behaviour"!

Oh yah, it's Kali!

[Texasgal]

51. It is the purpose

and a disgusting attempt at shit stirring.

[tammywammy]

50. Let me express my shock with this OP

Last edited Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:52 PM - Edit history (1)

[nomorenomore08]

65. Firstly, there's porn that consists of simulated "rape." So long as what is happening isn't a real

assault - and there's, perhaps, some sort of disclaimer to that effect - then I see no reason to outlaw such depictions, even if they personally squick me out.

On the other hand, there's a good amount of real rape/torture footage out there which depicts an actual crime.

[LeftyMom]

74. It's exactly what the name says.

You're intentionally being obtuse to start a flame war.

[R B Garr]

75. LOL, +1. You always completely nail it.

What's not to understand about what rape porn is.

[darkangel218]

84. So discussion is "being obtuse"?

Lol, typical

Have a nice day!

[bluestateguy]

78. And the thing is

Most BDSMers are actually strong supporters of feminist causes and LGBT rights.

[darkangel218]

85. Did i say anywhere in my OP or my posts that we werent?

[bluestateguy]

105. I didn't say that you said that

nt

[MineralMan]

83. I think you're missing enough imagination to understand

that porn depicting rape scenarios exists. I also think you may be deliberately ignoring that to make some point I cannot comprehend. Rape porn exists. It's not BDSM porn. It is rape porn.

[darkangel218]

87. No, rape porn/rape play is just a role play and nothing more. Im not lacking imagination.

You on the other hand are perheps lacking enough knowledge re BDSM.

[MineralMan]

88. You are incorrect.

That is all. I'm not talking about any sort of BDSM. Not in any way. Go Google "rape porn" and visit the websites that appear in the search results. I'm done with this topic. Good day to you!

[darkangel218]

91. Rape play is extremly common in BDSM movies and lifestyle.

I won't get in details because I don't want to offfend anyone. But trust me , it is.

[MineralMan]

93. Not my kink, so I wouldn't know.

Rape porn, however, has nothing to do with BDSM. It's about fantasies of actual rape, depicted in videos.

[darkangel218]

94. It has everything to do with BDSM.

They even film the participants before and after agreeing to the script. It's all consentual play.

[MineralMan]

86. Let me see if I can clarify:

Rape porn depicts rapes. Its target is not women with "fantasies" of rape at all, since such a thing would be very rare, if it exists at all. It targets men who fantasize about raping women who might try to resist and are overcome with force, drugs or other means. It's designed for men to drool over. It's obscene in the extreme, because it is made to feed the desires of men who have fantasies of sex with non-consenting women. It occurs also as "gang bang" porn, which depicts gang rapes of women.

While the people in the rape or gang rape porn may have been consenting adults for the production, that does not mean that it does not depict rape. And its audience likes it because it depicts rape.

It exists. You can go find some if you want to view it. Just search for it. There's plenty of it out there.

[darkangel218]

89. Okay, lets see.

1. How do you know who specifically a movie targets? And how are you sure women don't enjoy that scripted play?? Gang bang porn is actually a very popular genre in BDSM.

2. Okay, so we agree!! I never argued that rape play didn't depict rape. It did, but it's scripted, it's play and the participants are consenting adults.

What is BDSM - bondage, DOMiNANCE, sado masochism, slave/master Play. It's not for everyone. But MANY enjoy it, and no one has the right to tell them not to. Its their right as consenting adults to role play however they want, as long as it's safe sane and consentual.

Vilifying a well known and respected lifestyle and trying to tie it to criminal acts is pretty low on their part IMHO.

[MineralMan]

90. Respectfully, the content in your post is incorrect.

Rape porn does not depict BDSM "play." Again go watch some.

[darkangel218]

92. Ive watched plenty.

And you're the one who's incorrect. Rape play is huge in BDSM.

[Kali]

100. gosh, even most of the usual porn proponents are avoiding this thread

and where are the DU BDSM folks? I guess they don't want to participate in obvious flame bait bullshit.

[historylovr]

95. This is one of the most intellectually dishonest threads I've seen on here.

First you ask in feigned innocence what is rape porn. But you've already secretly and to your satisfaction defined the term. Anyone who tries to reply or explain can be blown off and ridiculed and LOL'd at because they're not using the definitions you've previously decided upon. Then you ask is it BDSM or BDSM porn. Well, the only people I've seen on here conflating BDSM with rape porn are the people defending and supporting rape porn. Those who find rape porn offensive have not pretended they're the same because we know they aren't and it would be dishonest to pretend otherwise. Still, you guys keep acting as if we have when you're the ones who can't seem to tell the difference, or at least that's what you expect us to believe. Obvious agenda is obvious.

So, what are you missing? Maybe some straw, but it might be over next to the shit that flew out of your pot.

[darkangel218]

96. No straw at all. I wasnt sure if the "outraged" referred to the same thing as in BDSM play.

It turnes out they did.

[historylovr]

97. No, they didn't.

Maybe there are rape scenarios in BDSM. And maybe that's your preferred form of it, I don't know, just guessing because you're latching onto that and defending it so vociferously, as if that's all there is to that kink. We actually really aren't referring to that, and if you'd take the time to read you just might see that. We're talking about rape, sometimes simulated, sometimes (more often) real, not within the bounds (no pun intended) of BDSM, that is posted on porn sites for people to get off to. Rape, not BDSM play. And that's where you're being dishonest at the worst, failing to comprehend what you've read at the least. You are putting your definition of rape porn, which you describe as BDSM rape scenarios with consent and safe words porn, onto what others are talking about, when that's not what's being said--at all.

[darkangel218]

98. Thats not what theyre saying, in this thread and the other one.

If you haven't read the other posts , please do so.

[historylovr]

99. That's exactly what they're saying.

I've read/am reading, and that's what they've said. Mineral Man and others have spelled it out clearly up thread. And it's what they've said in the posts about rape porn being posted on Jezebel that led to yours. And if someone mentioned BDSM it was because someone brought else brought it up. It is you who has narrowly defined rape porn as BDSM rape scenarios. You, not them. Please read those threads. Or not. Your choice.

[Kali]

101. oh this is nothing

you should read some her previous masterpieces.

Maggie Thatcher was one of my favorites, but nursing in Alaska is a good one too. There have been many. Many. I suspect she may hold a record for hidden posts as well.

[historylovr]

102. I'll take your word for it, Kali.

[NCTraveler]

103. Whoa. You achieved a firm grasp overnight. nt.

[darkangel218]

104. Not so at all.