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[bravenak]

1. What kind of a post is this.

Have some respect for the dead. Don't spit on his grave.

[bravenak]

9. Be nice.

Many of us have tried or have family that have tried or succeeded. Not to mention friends.

[cyberswede]

15. Then you need to work on your delivery.

[blueamy66]

24. No shit.

Yeah, really.

It happens to the best of us.

[merrily]

35. Oh, come on. Do you go to victims of a car accident and say, "Really, Mr. Whomever? Hit by a car?"

[leftstreet]

52. No shit. Really Mr. Jones? Stabbed by a knife?

What a waste!!

[orleans]

67. then why don't you rephrase your headline

so people stop trying to alert on it!

[AgingAmerican]

93. Suicide is very, very hard on survivors

A good friend of mine's dad committed suicide about 20 years ago. He still harbors some guilt over it, even though it wasn't his fault. It is especially hard on the immediate family.

[bravenak]

100. My stepdad did it in my house when I was 15 in front of my mother.

We have never been the same. I cannot imagine reading something like this at that time. I still dream about him.

[sheshe2]

116. So very sorry for your family, bravenak.

I lost my brother to suicide 8 years ago. I had nightmares for a year. My Dad he attempted it two times that I know of, I was in my early teens at the time.

to those of us left behind.

[bravenak]

122. My sympathies to you too.

We pick ourselves up and go on, but we mourn what we left behind. Things like this really bring it back home for me. At least I have the good memories.

[phleshdef]

2. Clinical depression is a REAL disease. Suicide is a REAL side effect of it.

Get off your high horse and stop speaking of things you obviously know nothing about.

[phleshdef]

26. Perhaps you didn't mean your OP to come off the way that it did.

But obviously, if I took it wrong, I'm not the only one here that did.

[orleans]

87. what crap. you've spent more time reading and addressing these posts than it would've

taken for you to edit that UGLY op you made

bottom line: you're a liar defending that crass piece of shit comment you wrote.

i don't expect to hear back from you on this since you don't HAVE TIME to address everyones need to "nit pick"

are you always so heartless when people die in a way you don't approve?


wait!

don't answer! just change your op and i'll change my post.

[cyberswede]

94. Righteous.

[Tumbulu]

97. You should self delete your OP as it is cruel

and insensitive to those of us who have lost dear ones to depression.

[Gormy Cuss]

121. "Really, Mr. Williams?" is blaming him for his illness.

Would you EVER write that for someone who died from cancer? I think not.

[Make7]

32. Really 8_Point?

[elehhhhna]

3. Wow.

Compassion for the depressed and addicted. GET SOME.

[sufrommich]

5. He had a disease called depression.nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

83. it was worse....Bipolar disorder.....

even a higher risk for suicide....and harder to keep medicated...especially when the result of his mania was his comedic genius....medicated he would lose that edge...so like many bipolars they would rather not live without it....

[steve2470]

6. you might want to self delete, this is in poor taste imho nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. Please consider deleting this OP. You do not understand what you are saying. You really do not.

Please do not let his family read this on DU.

Please, DU.

We are better than this.

[BeyondGeography]

34. +1

Depression can be like walking through fire every single day. Williams was prolific nonetheless. He was a hero. Instead the OP comes off as aggrieved because his favorite TV show has been permanently pre-empted. Really?

[Sheldon Cooper]

21. So why bring this up?

Really. Why?

[Lancero]

37. Results for #11, 1-6 hide

(Splitting off of your post to keep this reletively near 11)

On Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:09 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

I hate to speculate, and could easily be wrong.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5370867

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Depression induced suicide is not something to make jokes about, especially when it's a sex joke.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:16 PM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Should have left it at 'I hate to speculate'
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Generally that is the case for mainly lonely, depressed, sex starved teenagers but this is not the case with Robin Williams.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ugh. Nasty and uncalled for, but I doubt it will be hidden even though I agree with the alerter 100% on this one.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Humor of this kind isn't going down well right now.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Dude, really?

Shhh. Don't speak ill.

Thank you.

[merrily]

89. It's not even true. People who engage in that practice do not intend to die, only to

have an organism. That is not suicide nor does the coroner presume suicidal intent.

Whether details are given the press or not, death by that method is ruled accidental death, not suicide via asphyxiation.

[rbrnmw]

25. really? You are going there?

This is so disrespectful.

[MADem]

51. Disrespectful, and dumb.

That situation is never suicide, it's "accidental death."

When I hear asphyxiation, I think about garages and motor vehicles. But who really knows? He may have not intended to kill himself, he may have been under the influence of drugs and that impaired him in some fashion.

The poor guy just got out of rehab. He has had substance abuse issues for many years, now, that are no secret. He's also had a history of mental health problems. He's discussed some of this publicly.

It's just a sad situation. A shame for his family and friends left behind. I agree with your take, and think this thread is a bit too snarky, as well.

[WilliamPitt]

12. Fail.

[REP]

13. Depression is a disease that kills

Ignorance is curable, though stupid isn't. And I'm not talking about people with depression and other illnesses.

[NightWatcher]

14. Yeah, I alerted on this

[99Forever]

18. Please let me be on that jury.

I was going to alert myself.

I'll restrain myself from saying any more.

[MADem]

53. Cannot happen.

If you participate in a thread, as you have just done, you're off the jury.

I sometimes will participate in a thread if I just don't want to go anywhere near a jury for it.

[rbrnmw]

19. good

[Lancero]

20. I was tempted to alert on this as well...

Though to me it seems more of a rushed and poorly worded topic rather then intentional disrespect.

[malaise]

27. So did I

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: You alerted on a post which was already alerted

Mail Message
On Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:13 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Really Mr. Williams? Suicide?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025370815

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

We don't need this tonight

JURY RESULTS

Someone else already alerted on this post before you alerted on it, and only the first alert was sent to a Jury. A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:07 PM, and voted 2-5 to keep IT. Please note that even though your alert was not sent to a Jury, it has been forwarded to the Administrators who review all alerts.

Thank you.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. He can't hear you.

But the classy thing would be to wait at least until a few days after the funeral to start with the criticism.

[MADem]

56. +1 nt

[rbrnmw]

17. disgusting

He just died. How can you say something like that?

RIP Robin Williams

[Sheldon Cooper]

22. Really 8_Point?

A nasty, callous post? Really?

What a waste of bandwidth...

[malaise]

23. Go away please n/t

[Texasgal]

28. My hope is that a jury hides this.

Please.. DU don't let me down.

[pkdu]

39. Let stand 2-5

Complete with a couple of disgusting comments ( Clearly know no-one with Depression)

[Texasgal]

42. Logging off.

Fuck this shit.

Sometimes DU depresses me.

[zappaman]

57. You've been asked multiple times to self delete.

Maybe you should consider it.

[AngryOldDem]

75. The tone deafness continues.

The sad part is that Mr. Williams struggled for years with severe depression, compounded by addiction. From the looks of your OP, you sound more upset that he isn't going to be around to entertain YOU anymore.

That is what people are upset about, and why we want this thread deleted.

[handmade34]

90. not ok...

no argument, just very poor wording and you would be wise to take to heart the advice you are getting here... delete your post or reword it...

your post is akin to blaming the victim

[Scootaloo]

102. It's. Not. About. You.

[VanillaRhapsody]

88. jeebus this place really stinks sometimes...

[johnp3907]

29. This is a disgusting post.

At least I'll never have to see another one from you. Welcome to "fool"ignore.

[tammywammy]

30. You should delete this.

Clearly you're lucky enough to have never suffered under depression with suicidal thoughts or had family members struggle with it.

Your post is severely lacking in empathy.

[BillZBubb]

31. Pathetic post.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

33. C'mon...

[kestrel91316]

36. Wow. I get the funny feeling you aren't going to last long here. Just wow.

[7wo7rees]

38. Wow. Incredibly callous.

We wish you well.

Would like so much to alert.

DU is better than what you posted.

Peace.

[zappaman]

40. UNREC.

Big time.

[herding cats]

41. Depression is all too often a fatal disease.

People fortunate enough to have never had to deal with it in a loved one or themselves have a hard time understanding it, the disease that is.

Robin Williams was an amazingly talented and brilliant man who died from depression. It's the same as if he'd died from cancer or any other terminal disease that wasn't responding to treatment.

It's sad, it's a loss and it's difficult to process in our minds. Yet it's still a death from a disease which wasn't responding to treatment and killed the person afflicted with it.

[blogslut]

43. unrec

downvote

[11 Bravo]

44. I would urge you to delete this post. Failing that, I would urge you to ...

consume feces and expire. (And I hope that you are never allowed anywhere close to a clinically depressed person for the rest of your time on the planet.)

[newcriminal]

99. This is almost as rude as the op, I urge you to edit.

[HereSince1628]

45. This is the hard way to learn the ropes...

DU has a strange track record with mental illness. As much as it dismay a significant portion of DUers, many use stigmatizing phrases and stereotypes as chauinistic tropes.

But, when dealing with death, even where mental illness is a factor, empathy and kinder, gentler remarks are safer.

Better luck with future posts

[tenderfoot]

46. Really?

[bravenak]

49. It seems like we have one of these everyday now.

Yesterday slavery was a family atmosphere, today this.

[tenderfoot]

50. It's nuts

If this passes a jury...

[bravenak]

60. Anything goes now.

Passed 2-5. They all pass now. I give up.

[tenderfoot]

65. The people that expose that kind of thing get the hides/locked posts

ever notice that?

[bravenak]

80. Oh hell yeah!!

Every time. Like yesterday...

[HereSince1628]

73. Even in a thread sensitive to the dysfunction of mental illness

we can't be free from the best intentioned still using stigmatizing language.

I suggest ridiculous rather than 'nuts'. Nuts is a classic stigmatizing term used to disparage others by associating them with mental illness. Ridiculous on the otherhand means meriting ridicule.

[tenderfoot]

98. So insane would be wrong as well?

Go back to 1628.

[HereSince1628]

112. Actually, yes. You might want to google "stigmatizing terms for mental illness"

It's a widely recognized issue, although not among many libertine free-speechers.

Most people on the left would not be too bothered by slightly modifying their behavior to help end discrimination of others. Stigmatizing language about the mentally ill is widely recognized as facilitating attitudes that foster discrimination.

Persons with mental illness face significant problems with discrimination and life, on average, 20 fewer years than the mentally well.

Are you so inconvenienced by choosing words with appropriate meanings, that you can't join the informed and caring that follow the AP Style Guide with respect to stigmatizing terms of the mentally ill?

[tenderfoot]

115. I think you're trolling

and not at all concerned with mental illness, proper terminology or people suffering from depression.

You enjoy yourself now.

[HereSince1628]

120. Well, you can think whatever you wish.

[MohRokTah]

54. .

[hrmjustin]

55. Unrec!!!

[Logical]

58. Self delete this POS. Save some face. n-t

[OhioChick]

59. Piss poor post n/t

[nolabear]

61. Don't. This is cruel and you should delete it. People are hurting.

Please delete.

[pinboy3niner]

70. Indeed, the respectful thing would be to defer to the community, not double down

The poster's combativeness on such a sensitive subject is very strange.

[AngryOldDem]

63. Please delete this.

And then go and learn a few things about depression and addiction.

[JI7]

64. horrible thread

[trueblue2007]

66. THIS THEAD IS DISGUSTING. 29 notes 8-point ????

well the point of my note, my cousin committed suicide 3 weeks ago. you want to yap about her death too??

[AngryOldDem]

68. My condolences to you and your family.

This must be hell on you right now.

Peace.

[steve2470]

71. .....

My cousin committed suicide several years ago also.

[trueblue2007]

76. i alerted too. this is too much. DU used to be a good place.

[bravenak]

86. Did you just.....

Can you stop please?

[7wo7rees]

69. We have alerted. A jury allowed this to stand.

We now wait for the admins to weigh in. I for one am counting on them.

The point post is just simply insensitive and confrontational.

We hope this ends. Soon.

[orleans]

74. i alerted also. n/t

[AngryOldDem]

78. +1

And we wonder why the stigma continues surrounding depression.

Please, Mods -- TAKE. THIS. DOWN.

[Phlem]

72. ...

[onecent]

79. Many people that work in comedy commit suicide. Far

too many.

In Kansas City a few years back one of our BEST weathermen on tv was a comic and he took
his life. It devastated EVERYONE in Kansas City.....He was even getting help (quite a bit of help from what I know over the years)
So sad

[obxhead]

81. Well, that is one hell of an entrance to DU.

[Iron Man]

82. Ill-timed thread, don't you think?

[GliderGuider]

85. Really Mr. 8_Point? Social suicide?

[octoberlib]

91. Why do I have the feeling you're reading all of these replies and

enjoying every bit of it? Mission accomplished, eh?

[cyberswede]

95. ...

[Marrah_G]

92. Shitty thing to say

[tenderfoot]

96. Really Sharon Tate? Opening your door for a knock?

Hope you're gone sooner rather than later.

[bravenak]

105. Damn you're good.

I was thinking something like "Really Marvin Gaye, shot by your father?"

[DeadLetterOffice]

101. Self delete. Barring that -- Mods, PLEASE take this down.

As a mental health professional AND a family member of a person who completed suicide, may I respectfully suggest you shut the fuck up over something you clearly know NOTHING about.

[Gormy Cuss]

103. When you have severe, clinical depression

you'll understand how suicide looked like a good option.

[av8rdave]

104. Empathy is what sets us liberals apart...

Instead of some crass remark about this tragic death, you might try imagining what it must be like to be under such a weight of depression, in such a deep abyss, as to see no way out. The only human reaction to this is to feel profound sympathy and sadness for someone in those circumstances, as well as some respect and sympathy for the loved ones left behind.

[Half-Century Man]

106. Not familiar with depression?

It can be as devastating as cancer.

[theHandpuppet]

107. Disgusting, cruel, rude and stupid

But you probably knew that when you posted.

[bravenak]

108. I got one. 'Really Dick Cheney? ANOTHER heart? What a waste!'

No? I'll keep trying.

"Really Ronald Reagan, old age?"

[TDale313]

110. Please self-delete.

This is, intentionally or not, a hurtful and insensitive post.

[trumad]

111. Shame on the Mods for letting this thread live...

Trolls will be trolls but Mods are supposed to be better than this.

Do the right thing and lock this thread.

[HereSince1628]

117. It's not the Mods, it's the Mob

As in Mob Rule. Such is democracy. The saying is democracy can be ugly, whoever said it first was right.

[Hissyspit]

118. Well, if were gonna let slavery apologist posts stay, then

might as well leave every troll post.

[tenderfoot]

119. It wasn't the mods. It was the failed jury system.

eom

[Bobbie Jo]

113. Thoughtless

As others have suggested, please self-delete.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

114. mirt, idjet on aisle zero

[Manifestor_of_Light]

123. This is incredibly tasteless.

And bipolar disorder can send people way up and way down. It's tough to live with. Being manic was part of his genius. The OP shouldn't be so insensitive.

There's a whole lot of misunderstanding and stigma about mental illnesses of all kinds, and this is not helping.

R.I.P., Mr. Williams. Your work will live forever.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

124. That could only be said by someone --

who has never experienced serious clinical depression. You suck.