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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:38 PM Aug 2014

There is a common element in the passing of Robin Williams, P S Hoffman, H Ledger, M Jackson...

...Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, and many other artists who were less famous, and that is wanting the internal pain and torment to just go away. They felt life's emotions too deeply for their own well being. They soared incredibly high, but they flew too close to the sun.

May they all rest in eternal peace, somewhere over the rainbow.

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There is a common element in the passing of Robin Williams, P S Hoffman, H Ledger, M Jackson... (Original Post) Electric Monk Aug 2014 OP
Yup. Agschmid Aug 2014 #1
Thin Edge Between Genius And Insanity, I Fear... WillyT Aug 2014 #2
Art can heal what the world harms and is the artist's deepest sacrifice. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #3
At issue here is that fame can be very isolating Fearless Aug 2014 #4
No, it's about why they are funny to begin with. jeff47 Aug 2014 #7
No I mean that they don't get there help they need Fearless Aug 2014 #8
The fame is due to the caricature they created jeff47 Aug 2014 #12
:(:::: BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #5
This hit me harder than I would've guessed, maybe because it was such a surprise to me. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #6
I feel the same myself. I find myself asking "How can this happen?" CTyankee Aug 2014 #9
they are human, and therefore vulnerable to all human issues, include suicide and depression. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #10
Performing is difficult. You are always under pressure to be the person your dog thinks Zorra Aug 2014 #11
I would like to add Amy Winehouse to that list bigwillq Aug 2014 #13
Yes, her too. I edited the OP to include her. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #14
Thanks bigwillq Aug 2014 #15

littlemissmartypants

(22,708 posts)
3. Art can heal what the world harms and is the artist's deepest sacrifice.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:07 AM
Aug 2014

When you are the art it can be very painful. Performance artists pay a huge price. Thanks for your post, EM.

Love, Peace and Shelter.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
4. At issue here is that fame can be very isolating
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:28 AM
Aug 2014

It doesn't really bring happiness. And no amount of money can make you happy either. There are things in life so much more valuable and unfortunately some of our best examples of humanity and the value of human life are so isolated from what they really need.

I'm reminded of an interview given by George Carlin many years ago... I believe it was with Jon Stewart... Although it may have been Bill Maher or someone in that vein. He commented on how Lenny Bruce and so many other comedians didn't survive, how they succumbed to drugs or alcohol... depression... et al. He seemed so sad and wistful when he said it, that of an entire generation of comics so many didn't make it. What a world we live in.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. No, it's about why they are funny to begin with.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:35 PM
Aug 2014

A lot of really funny people turned to humor because the person they really are is unacceptable. At least in their own mind.

This article at Cracked describes it extremely well.

But you can also replace "funny" with some other talent - music or art or whatever. The "acceptable" person is the talented front, covering for the "unacceptable" real person.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. The fame is due to the caricature they created
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:16 PM
Aug 2014

They're "real" identity isn't acceptable, so they created an artificial identity that people liked - it was funny, or a good musician, or whatever.

Since they practice that identity all day, every day, they get very good at it. That then leads to fame - if you practice anything 24/7/365 for many years, you get very good at it.

The isolation comes from that original construct, not the fame. The fame is a side-effect from the underlying problem.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. I feel the same myself. I find myself asking "How can this happen?"
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
Aug 2014

This shouldn't happen. It's just too goddamn UNFAIR! Somebody should picket God with a sign that says that!

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