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The most liberal and conservative big cities in America, in one chart. (Original Post) JaneyVee Aug 2014 OP
Mesa? doxydad Aug 2014 #1
Maybe you can help make it more liberal. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #2
Not possible! doxydad Aug 2014 #3
You could help Austin stay weird. TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #18
I've got my hands full here... doxydad Aug 2014 #21
Mesa is not the only city in Arizona. former9thward Aug 2014 #20
NOPE. doxydad Aug 2014 #23
I have lived in Chicago, Portland, Seattle and Birmingham for extended times. former9thward Aug 2014 #28
Thanks for the info! doxydad Aug 2014 #29
Lived near Rural and Apache while in school late 80's / early 90's. NM_Birder Aug 2014 #37
They still flood the parks and people's yards a couple times a month in the summer former9thward Aug 2014 #38
Probably Tucson brush Aug 2014 #32
Detroit and Chicago yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #9
Detroit has been left to die, which it is doing. "Great liberal cities" don't have many friends Romulox Aug 2014 #24
So glad to be in Boston Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #4
I lived in Europe from ages 18-23 pink-o Aug 2014 #5
Out of curiosity, why did you move back? E-Z-B Aug 2014 #11
I was too far from my family--and there was no internet, skype or vibr pink-o Aug 2014 #41
Recently visited my dtr. in SF - truly an international flavor and feel to it. Divernan Aug 2014 #19
Of course..... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #6
Virginia Beach is changing rainy Aug 2014 #7
I haven't noticed the change... virgdem Aug 2014 #35
What do you think of the criteria used to determine liberal/conservative? oberliner Aug 2014 #8
Dallas is pretty much right in the middle Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2014 #10
And Dallas to the left of Fort Worth? Umm... X_Digger Aug 2014 #17
Dallas is definitely to the left of Fort Worth snooper2 Aug 2014 #33
Having lived years in both.. that's bullshit. One name.. Wendy Davis. X_Digger Aug 2014 #42
LOL you bring Deep Ellum to the mix which is just having it's rebirth since the late 90's snooper2 Aug 2014 #44
As a country boy I hate to say this, but it looks like we need more cities. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2014 #12
Madison, WI HelenWheels Aug 2014 #13
Too small for the list. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #16
Madison, Wisconsin must be too liberal to make the chart. Scuba Aug 2014 #14
Chart says cities at 250+ (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #34
I don't think they use the same standards I use, thanks. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #15
+1 lunasun Aug 2014 #31
I'm surprised that San Diego isn't listed toward the top of the conservative scale. bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #22
Looks like the GOP has a pretty big long term problem here. PatrickforO Aug 2014 #25
I'm glad to see Minneapolis and St. Paul represented MineralMan Aug 2014 #26
I've lived in Seattle--it's one of the most stratified, unequal ($$$$) places I've ever been. nt Romulox Aug 2014 #27
WTF albino65 Aug 2014 #30
Yay for L.A.! PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #36
I clicked on three links and still couldn't find the basis for this BainsBane Aug 2014 #39
My hometown well into the top ten hifiguy Aug 2014 #40
Wow, Fort Worth is #12 and Arlington is #6!!!!! MicaelS Aug 2014 #43

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
3. Not possible!
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:00 AM
Aug 2014

I don't want to live out my life with a bunch of knucle-dragging Faux Noise watchers! But the hunt does continue for a warmer clime!

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
18. You could help Austin stay weird.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:11 AM
Aug 2014

But that means you have to live in Austin- The surrounding towns are way red.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
21. I've got my hands full here...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:16 AM
Aug 2014

Last local election for mayor: DEMS 5.6% ...need I say more? All these local so called 'Conservative Christians' all think that they are in the 1%...and they vote like it. it's fun to get under their very thick skin! I had a woman at the bank telling the teller that she didn't want Obama telling her what kind of light bulbs she needed to have. By the time I injected my two cents, I had the bank manager and 3 tellers agreeing with me. See, yeah, still got my work cut out for me and I'm in a BLUE STATE!

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
23. NOPE.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:18 AM
Aug 2014

It's not, but it IS in an arid State and the price of water ain't going down anytime soon.

That being said, what is the most liberal area in AZ? EDUCATE ME! Thanks

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
28. I have lived in Chicago, Portland, Seattle and Birmingham for extended times.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:26 AM
Aug 2014

No place had cheaper water than AZ. We have plenty of water. The state has 3 trillion gallons in storage - more than any other state. As far as the most liberal area I would say either Tempe or Tucson. I live in Tempe, a couple blocks from the Mesa border, and it is home to ASU, the largest university in the U.S., and is liberal and well run. Tucson is home to the U of A and also liberal based on voting but I don't know too much about it.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
37. Lived near Rural and Apache while in school late 80's / early 90's.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

used to wonder about flooding the parks when they watered em.

twenty some odd years ago, and I'm still peeling from tubin the Salt lol ! "Keg World" and "Hammerheads" still there ?

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
38. They still flood the parks and people's yards a couple times a month in the summer
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:47 PM
Aug 2014

and once a month otherwise. I am into the bar scene but I am not familiar with Keg World or Hammerheads so I assume they have moved on.

brush

(53,475 posts)
32. Probably Tucson
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:07 AM
Aug 2014

It leans left and often elects Dem pols (the Udalls, Raul Grijalva, Gaby Giffords).

Flagstaff also leans left.

They are both university towns, btw.

Don't get me wrong, they're nowhere near royal blue like SF, but kind of purplish — especially compared to blood red Phoenix.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
24. Detroit has been left to die, which it is doing. "Great liberal cities" don't have many friends
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:19 AM
Aug 2014

in Washington.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
4. So glad to be in Boston
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:24 AM
Aug 2014

We've got our issues, but man, it doesn't feel like we're falling into chaos or utter stupidity with what we do here.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
5. I lived in Europe from ages 18-23
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:33 AM
Aug 2014

When I moved back to the US, there was really only one place I felt at home--so no surprise to know that we're the tops! Or the bottoms if you look at that chart--but hey! This is San Francisco: both Tops and Bottoms welcome here!

E-Z-B

(567 posts)
11. Out of curiosity, why did you move back?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:49 AM
Aug 2014

I've been thinking more and more of Europe, but I'm afraid my children might have less opportunities there than in the states when finding jobs 15 years from now.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
41. I was too far from my family--and there was no internet, skype or vibr
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:56 PM
Aug 2014

We communicated by snail mail, and I didn't come home very often. Too expensive for my family to come to me, so on my last visit to San Francisco it occurred to me that my parents were older and I was so far away that if anything happened to them it would take me way too long to get back. I saw my dad's grey hair and my mom's new wrinkles and decided I missed them and would give America another try.

Hah! So here's the kicker: when I was 23, my "older, decrepit parents" were younger than I am now! I had 30 more years to hang out with my mom, and my dad is still sharp at 90. They fooled me--I could've spent another couple decades traipsing around the continent.

But seriously: I'm glad I came back. The time I've spent with my family has all been worth it--I had a great mom who was devastated when I left home so young. She was so happy to have me back that I didn't feel I could run off again. Instead, I took them traveling with me and we spent the 90s and the aughts hanging out in Spain and Italy. I still go back a few times a year, so I get the best of both. Maybe I'll retire in Lazio and then everyone can come visit me!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
19. Recently visited my dtr. in SF - truly an international flavor and feel to it.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:11 AM
Aug 2014

I used to live in Sacramento back in the 60's and had only brief visits to SF/Berkley in the 90's. Spent a week in San Francisco over Christmas last year, and it was really a great place in many respects. And my son lives in 3rd ranked Seattle. Do I have great cities to visit or what!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. Of course.....
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:39 AM
Aug 2014

...for this to have any real meaning, it all depends upon having agreed on how the terms ''liberal'' and ''conservative'' are defined.

- Instead of the 318,641,475 we presently now have. And counting.....



K&R

rainy

(6,083 posts)
7. Virginia Beach is changing
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:56 AM
Aug 2014

It is conservative but change is happening. We are becoming more liberal over many environmental issues and we are becoming a pretty decent art hub. We now have our own museum and an art district is on the rise.

virgdem

(2,119 posts)
35. I haven't noticed the change...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 11:29 AM
Aug 2014

it still appears to be a very conservative area. I just moved to the Courthouse area and I have a die-hard, Fox News watching neighbor that I have to contend with. Her misinformation alone on "Obama-shit care" as she calls it, is stunning. It will be interesting to see if Rigell wins in November against a liberal Dem (Suzanne Patrick). If she wins, then I will agree that VA Beach is changing.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. What do you think of the criteria used to determine liberal/conservative?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:01 AM
Aug 2014

I don't know how I feel about them.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
17. And Dallas to the left of Fort Worth? Umm...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:10 AM
Aug 2014

Not sure I agree with whatever criteria they used, if that's the result.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
33. Dallas is definitely to the left of Fort Worth
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:33 AM
Aug 2014

There is a reason Fort Worth is the "trashy" side of the metroplex LOL...

Besides, there is no reason to go over there. In fact, the only time I went that direction is when I was forced to because Rooms to Go has their warehouse there

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
42. Having lived years in both.. that's bullshit. One name.. Wendy Davis.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

Fort Worth is more culturally, racially, and socially diverse than Dallas ever dreamed about being, in it's white-bread metrosexual dreams.

Museums, art galleries, opera, ballet.. Parks, bike paths, green design..

If Deep Ellum is your idea of a walk on the wild side, I can see how you'd think Dallas is to the left of Fort Worth.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
44. LOL you bring Deep Ellum to the mix which is just having it's rebirth since the late 90's
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:40 AM
Aug 2014


swing by a bar in Addison and I'll buy all your drinks


Or old downtown Plano, or North Dallas, or, where you at again?

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
13. Madison, WI
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:56 AM
Aug 2014

belongs on this list. It is fast becoming the only decent city in WI. Loaded with liberals.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
14. Madison, Wisconsin must be too liberal to make the chart.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:02 AM
Aug 2014

Or it's too small to make the list. Madison - Population ~ 240,000

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. I don't think they use the same standards I use, thanks.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:08 AM
Aug 2014

Several Cities listed a very liberal are part of States in which it is legal to discriminate against gay people in housing and employment. Several more have high arrest records for minority youth for cannabis 'crimes' other places do not consider a crime at all.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
25. Looks like the GOP has a pretty big long term problem here.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:20 AM
Aug 2014

This is why they have to cheat to have majorities in the House or Senate, and why they probably won't take the White House until they get rid of their crazy wing and retool their entire message.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
26. I'm glad to see Minneapolis and St. Paul represented
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:21 AM
Aug 2014

in that chart. We may be in the flyover, but progressivism is real and strong in those two cities.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
30. WTF
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:37 AM
Aug 2014

All of Ohio's major cities are represented as more liberal than conservative and yet we still elect republithug dickwads every year. That gerrymandering and voter suppression for you.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
39. I clicked on three links and still couldn't find the basis for this
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:52 PM
Aug 2014

I don't have a subscription to the Economist.
Is it simply percentage of the population that votes for Democrats, or something else?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
43. Wow, Fort Worth is #12 and Arlington is #6!!!!!
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:49 PM
Aug 2014

I knew Arlington was Conservative, but not THAT Conservative. Holy crap. Well, I'll probably die in the DFW area, but God willing it won't be in Arlington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington,_Texas

Arlington is the largest city in the world without a fixed bus-route, light-rail or commuter train system of mass transit.

The Arlington City Council has been presided over by Mayor Robert Cluck since 2003, following the six-year reign of Mayor Elzie Odom.



They have voted it down time an again because they hope it will keep out "the masses" who would depend on public transit. And "Cluck" (what a NAME) has been behind a lot of that.

However in the summer of 2013 however, Arlington City Council agreed to begin a two year public transportation pilot program with the Metro Arlington Xpress, MAX. Upon the end of this two year program it will be put to voters to again decide whether or not Arlington will fund and continue what some hope will be the beginning of a true extensive public transit system. On August 19, 2013, the Metro Arlington Express (MAX) bus route began. MAX provides weekday service between College Park Center (near University of Texas, Arlington) and the Trinity Railway Express CentrePort Station near DFW Airport; from this station you may also travel to Fort Worth, Dallas and points in between, all of which are served by comprehensive public transit systems (though, curiously, the MAX bus stops considerably farther away from the Dallas Cowboys' AT&T Stadium in Arlington than well-traveled nearby streets otherwise provide for).

Arlington does have four transit services targeting individual demographic groups: "Handitran" serves senior citizens and the disabled; Arlington hotels pay for a tourist-oriented shuttle-bus system for their guests; the University of Texas at Arlington runs a limited shuttle service for college students; and lastly Mission Arlington, an Arlington-run charity serving the severely indigent, has a bus service that circulates people needing social services or transportation to employment.


Conservative's perfect world...letting a private charity pay for what should be public services.

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