Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:33 PM

A short rant about the need for victims to be perfect & react perfectly to violence and oppression

I am sick of hearing about how victims and victimized communities should react to violence and oppression. The reality is when faced with violence and oppression and constant discrimination, most of us break social mores. However, i really hate how much the media focuses on these 'riots' or 'looting' rather than what instigated these transgressions. Also, in my experience the media grossly exaggerates about how bad things are (remember, Katrina) when covering the transgressions of the victimized community.

I literally can't stand it.

Victims and victimized communities do not need to be perfect to have certain inalienable civil rights.

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A short rant about the need for victims to be perfect & react perfectly to violence and oppression (Original post)	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	OP
One broken shop window is a much more "sexy" news item than a dozen vigils	arcane1	Aug 2014	#1
yeah. just like focusing on the naked person at the gay pride parades	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#2
I am sick of it too	rbrnmw	Aug 2014	#3
it's understandable to measure that emotional reaction against what's being protested	bigtree	Aug 2014	#4
I'm sick of people tacitly defending looting & rioting	Bonx	Aug 2014	#5
LOL.	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#6
Alrighty then.	Bonx	Aug 2014	#12
Nobody here is defending looting and rioting.[n/t]	Maedhros	Aug 2014	#26
Double LOL....	Little Star	Aug 2014	#8
Naive to think that others would also condemn criminal activity ?	Bonx	Aug 2014	#14
Did you condemn the criminal activity of the cop who murdered	malaise	Aug 2014	#50
Exactly! Let's hear the media condemn the shooting of an unarmed teenager..	mountain grammy	Aug 2014	#58
You have to wonder if they don't have agents provocateurs	malaise	Aug 2014	#59
"valid." Sure. Not a drop of subjectivity in that word.	RadiationTherapy	Aug 2014	#10
So the people of Ferguson should pool their money and hire a lawyer?	MindPilot	Aug 2014	#13
Non sequitur-ville	Bonx	Aug 2014	#16
Apparently that was your destination.	MindPilot	Aug 2014	#22
Well today is your lucky day! The OP is not doing anything close to that.	arcane1	Aug 2014	#15
..	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#18
I totally agree!	el_bryanto	Aug 2014	#17
That makes no sense	Bonx	Aug 2014	#19
So you say agreeing with you makes no sense? I guess I can't argue with that. nt	el_bryanto	Aug 2014	#21
..	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#20
"A riot is the language of the unheard" ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.	VanGoghRocks	Aug 2014	#23
+10000000000000000000000000	Little Star	Aug 2014	#68
You may be missing the OP's point	leftstreet	Aug 2014	#25
I remember that. That was so clearly racist.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#29
That was unbelievable, I remember it well.	sabrina 1	Aug 2014	#43
I say that every time my tax dollars go to Corporations!	tenderfoot	Aug 2014	#28
I don't think the OP defends it, but is stating that the media covers that rather than the root	cui bono	Aug 2014	#32
Yeah well I got sick of some DU'ers using a black child's grades to justify his murder	Scootaloo	Aug 2014	#36
yup. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#37
How do you feel about the cops repeatedly brutalizing and killing African Americans in this country?	sabrina 1	Aug 2014	#38
A Dream Deferred.... please read it and try to understand	Gormy Cuss	Aug 2014	#47
Just out of curiosity what is a valid excuse for a riot?	Exultant Democracy	Aug 2014	#48
I'll just bet that it's when the BLM asks you to pay your grazing fees.	Chellee	Aug 2014	#60
When the disfranchised voice has nothing more to lose, don't look for a rational or valid response.	LanternWaste	Aug 2014	#53
Especially since a little to the South is a place called Normandy.	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2014	#57
See also: rape victims	XemaSab	Aug 2014	#7
yup. this applies to a large number of conflicts.	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#9
Day-um.	Orrex	Aug 2014	#24
I understand what you're getting at but I don't think it's really the same thing.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#27
Since when do racists need ammunition?	XemaSab	Aug 2014	#30
I completely agree.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#33
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2014	#62
Really?	XemaSab	Aug 2014	#64
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2014	#65
love you MIRT!	irisblue	Aug 2014	#67
Racists don't need to be given ammunition	BlindTiresias	Aug 2014	#34
I agree.	cui bono	Aug 2014	#35
I was going to say this	redqueen	Aug 2014	#40
K&R	me b zola	Aug 2014	#11
Look over here, look over here...	PowerToThePeople	Aug 2014	#31
Right/white wingers always make crud out of these things. Remember how they predicted riots	Hoyt	Aug 2014	#39
not just right wingers, though.	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#49
Nobody's perfect--so you can't expect victims to react "perfectly" to violence and	Louisiana1976	Aug 2014	#41
du rec.	xchrom	Aug 2014	#42
the looters are victims?? n/t	Bacchus4.0	Aug 2014	#44
Are you from the US? Do you understand the systematic racism that these people face in the US?	Exultant Democracy	Aug 2014	#52
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Aug 2014	#45
I expect people to behave in a reasonable (not perfect) manner	Taitertots	Aug 2014	#46
What they need to do is take it to the suburbs, golf courses, and gated communities because	TheKentuckian	Aug 2014	#72
Oh, you want a more unreasonable response than just rioting/looting	Taitertots	Aug 2014	#74
Time and time again	clyrc	Aug 2014	#51
They like to act like property is more important than people.	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2014	#54
Like the property can't be replaced!	Quayblue	Aug 2014	#55
Makes sense if you believe there are too many of "them" anyway.	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2014	#56
that has been a pattern since the days of slavery. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#70
Rioting when there is no satisfactory recourse against oppression is human, even if counter-	Shrike47	Aug 2014	#61
I have always liked this poem by Melvin Tolson	ashling	Aug 2014	#63
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2014	#66
kicked	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#69
kicked	Blue_Tires	Aug 2014	#71
It's bothering me a lot too. Everything's backwards from how it should be.	Avalux	Aug 2014	#73

Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:41 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

1. One broken shop window is a much more "sexy" news item than a dozen vigils

Especially when trying to create a narrative that not-so-subtly says "the victim had it coming"

A short rant about the need for victims to be perfect & react perfectly to violence and oppression

1. One broken shop window is a much more "sexy" news item than a dozen vigils

2. yeah. just like focusing on the naked person at the gay pride parades

3. I am sick of it too

4. it's understandable to measure that emotional reaction against what's being protested

5. I'm sick of people tacitly defending looting & rioting

6. LOL.

12. Alrighty then.

26. Nobody here is defending looting and rioting.[n/t]

8. Double LOL....

14. Naive to think that others would also condemn criminal activity ?

50. Did you condemn the criminal activity of the cop who murdered

58. Exactly! Let's hear the media condemn the shooting of an unarmed teenager..

59. You have to wonder if they don't have agents provocateurs

10. "valid." Sure. Not a drop of subjectivity in that word.

13. So the people of Ferguson should pool their money and hire a lawyer?

16. Non sequitur-ville

22. Apparently that was your destination.

15. Well today is your lucky day! The OP is not doing anything close to that.

18. ..

17. I totally agree!

19. That makes no sense

21. So you say agreeing with you makes no sense? I guess I can't argue with that. nt

20. ..

23. "A riot is the language of the unheard" ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

68. +10000000000000000000000000

25. You may be missing the OP's point

29. I remember that. That was so clearly racist.

43. That was unbelievable, I remember it well.

28. I say that every time my tax dollars go to Corporations!

32. I don't think the OP defends it, but is stating that the media covers that rather than the root

36. Yeah well I got sick of some DU'ers using a black child's grades to justify his murder

37. yup. nt

38. How do you feel about the cops repeatedly brutalizing and killing African Americans in this country?

47. A Dream Deferred.... please read it and try to understand

48. Just out of curiosity what is a valid excuse for a riot?

60. I'll just bet that it's when the BLM asks you to pay your grazing fees.

53. When the disfranchised voice has nothing more to lose, don't look for a rational or valid response.

57. Especially since a little to the South is a place called Normandy.

7. See also: rape victims

9. yup. this applies to a large number of conflicts.

24. Day-um.

27. I understand what you're getting at but I don't think it's really the same thing.

30. Since when do racists need ammunition?

33. I completely agree.

64. Really?

67. love you MIRT!

34. Racists don't need to be given ammunition

35. I agree.

40. I was going to say this

11. K&R

31. Look over here, look over here...

39. Right/white wingers always make crud out of these things. Remember how they predicted riots

49. not just right wingers, though.

41. Nobody's perfect--so you can't expect victims to react "perfectly" to violence and

42. du rec.

44. the looters are victims?? n/t

52. Are you from the US? Do you understand the systematic racism that these people face in the US?

45. Kicked and recommended.

46. I expect people to behave in a reasonable (not perfect) manner

72. What they need to do is take it to the suburbs, golf courses, and gated communities because

74. Oh, you want a more unreasonable response than just rioting/looting

51. Time and time again

54. They like to act like property is more important than people.

55. Like the property can't be replaced!

56. Makes sense if you believe there are too many of "them" anyway.

70. that has been a pattern since the days of slavery. nt

61. Rioting when there is no satisfactory recourse against oppression is human, even if counter-

63. I have always liked this poem by Melvin Tolson

69. kicked

71. kicked

73. It's bothering me a lot too. Everything's backwards from how it should be.