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kpete

(72,902 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:51 AM Aug 2014

HOLY CRAP...Obama halts hellfire missiles to Israel

Report: US halted transfer of Hellfire missiles to Israel
Shipment of aerial anti-armor missiles stopped after White House, State Department learned that IDF requested transfer directly from Pentagon without asking for their approval, according to Wall Street Journal report.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4558615,00.html



Today, many administration officials say the Gaza conflict—the third between Israel and Hamas in under six years—has persuaded them that Mr. Netanyahu and his national security team are both reckless and untrustworthy.



A senior Obama administration official said the White House didn't intend to get into a "tit for tat" with the Israelis when the war broke out in Gaza. "We have many, many friends around the world. The United States is their strongest friend," the official said. "The notion that they are playing the United States, or that they're manipulating us publicly, completely miscalculates their place in the world."

A senior Obama administration official said the weapons transfers shouldn't have been a routine "check-the-box approval" process, given the context. The official said the decision to scrutinize future transfers at the highest levels amounted to "the United States saying 'The buck stops here. Wait a second…It's not OK anymore.' "

The last straw for many U.S. diplomats came on Aug. 2 when they say Israeli officials leaked to the media that Mr. Netanyahu had told the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, that the Obama administration was "not to ever second-guess me again" about how to deal with Hamas.



MORE HERE:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sway-over-israel-on-gaza-at-a-low-1407979365
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321492/-HOLY-CRAP-Obama-halts-hellfire-missiles-to-Israel
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HOLY CRAP...Obama halts hellfire missiles to Israel (Original Post) kpete Aug 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Aug 2014 #1
DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #2
"No tickee no laundry" Where's Colin Powell when you need him? underpants Aug 2014 #3
Best news in weeks malaise Aug 2014 #4
I am happy about this. He listened to the Left for once. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #97
No I think they all listened to Bibi's lunacy malaise Aug 2014 #99
I think you may be giving them too much credit. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #102
When you tell the President of the United Stats not to second guess you malaise Aug 2014 #103
That would be true if the President was calling the shots. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #105
I got you malaise Aug 2014 #106
Same to ya! rhett o rick Aug 2014 #107
Lunacy is a good word. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #114
Yes it is madokie Aug 2014 #134
You are always good company malaise Aug 2014 #135
K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2014 #5
Good, but is this just one type of missile? woo me with science Aug 2014 #6
Everything else. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #67
KNR!! Segami Aug 2014 #7
The buck ain't worth a nickle anymore. Hubert Flottz Aug 2014 #132
I predict that this thread will sink like a stone. MineralMan Aug 2014 #8
It won't malaise Aug 2014 #11
true. well, I'm kicking and reccing. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #14
Prediction Fail n/t n2doc Aug 2014 #19
Yup! Segami Aug 2014 #32
Not if I can help it. calimary Aug 2014 #48
Indeed malaise Aug 2014 #87
I think he is using reverse psychology. He wants us to r&K to spite him. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #96
I like how you make a game of this. Let us guess what you are insinuating. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #94
Psssst. You needed this... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2014 #145
320 recs and counting.... morningfog Aug 2014 #154
You're not very good with predictions, apparently. NealK Aug 2014 #159
I think this thread demonstrates what the nation would feel if the President kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #165
GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! newfie11 Aug 2014 #9
Sadly when the weapons are reduced to nothing but rocks and bottles flamin lib Aug 2014 #10
At least with rocks and bottles, they JEB Aug 2014 #43
ANd what they see will be that they are exactly the same--yet somehow still different tblue37 Aug 2014 #110
bottles and rocks will level the playing field magical thyme Aug 2014 #82
It's a start. treestar Aug 2014 #12
K & R Liberal_Dog Aug 2014 #13
thanks Liberal_Dog kpete Aug 2014 #17
I have a feeling this is about to get a lot more interesting eShirl Aug 2014 #15
+1 redqueen Aug 2014 #26
I suspected that Netanyahu's arrogant comment would come back to bite him on the ass. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #16
which arrogant comment? I'm having a problem sorting through them. (n/t) SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2014 #129
This one GliderGuider Aug 2014 #133
Wow! Thanks. Netanyahu - "Leader" of the free world? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2014 #138
He 'expects full US support for Israel's decisions on Gaza'! Well, who can blame him. Sometimes I sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #150
Netanyahu is a megalomaniac and an asshole. NealK Aug 2014 #160
K&R nenagh Aug 2014 #18
How long until Carnival Cruz grandstands on this? n2doc Aug 2014 #20
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #21
1000 recommendations. JaydenD Aug 2014 #22
Kick. n/t GoCubsGo Aug 2014 #23
kudos to President Obama!! m-lekktor Aug 2014 #24
Incoming from the Right in 5..4..3...nt Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #25
K & R democrank Aug 2014 #27
Whoa... Stellar Aug 2014 #28
About bloody time, too. Good on President Obama! riqster Aug 2014 #29
A ray of light! At least some in the US are waking up to Israel's arrogance. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #30
'Bout time! Shadowflash Aug 2014 #31
Does Hamas have tanks? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #33
K&R nt Andy823 Aug 2014 #34
Good! Skidmore Aug 2014 #35
K&R brer cat Aug 2014 #36
Excellent! ljm2002 Aug 2014 #37
they report to the President of the US, not the Prime Minister of Israel. nt magical thyme Aug 2014 #84
Which begs the question, had they gone through proper channels would the WH have cui bono Aug 2014 #89
it makes sense that if they did not go through proper channels hopemountain Aug 2014 #115
Yeah, I read this article to my husband over dinner, and his response stranger81 Aug 2014 #143
... progressoid Aug 2014 #38
Such egregious insolence will not be tolerated by the establishment indepat Aug 2014 #39
I'd like to be a fly on the wall during one of Bibi and Obama's calls. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2014 #40
Excellent! Obama took action where he could. Avalux Aug 2014 #41
^ eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #156
Any slowing of the massive out flow of arms JEB Aug 2014 #42
^ eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #157
If true......this is very good news..a first step KoKo Aug 2014 #44
I hope he, President Obama, is getting in touch with his inner Mama Bear. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #158
Kickity kick graywarrior Aug 2014 #45
Thanks, Obama! I mean it. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #46
+1 For once PBO has stood up o the Neo-Convicts, he deserves praise Vincardog Aug 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Aug 2014 #47
I approve. Orsino Aug 2014 #49
Bibi is going to be pissed. Not that I care. dballance Aug 2014 #50
Let's hope he's ticked enough that he continues to openly show his contempt for 1monster Aug 2014 #100
K&R Duval Aug 2014 #51
Credit where it is due. Ash_F Aug 2014 #52
It has always made me a bit heartsick and nauseated tavernier Aug 2014 #53
Good. historylovr Aug 2014 #54
who wants to bet on how many sunday shows lieberfuckenputz will be on? pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #55
the old saying rings true RedstDem Aug 2014 #56
Which RW nutjob? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #61
I was referring to net and yahoo RedstDem Aug 2014 #71
K&R .... A significant step in the correct direction 2banon Aug 2014 #57
I would keep the champange on ice for a little while longer. NM_Birder Aug 2014 #58
i like your skepticism tomp Aug 2014 #164
I'm skeptical of everything the "news" reports, NM_Birder Aug 2014 #167
It sounds a bit 'tit for tat', as in done out of pique Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #59
Who cares...Netanyahu is fully deserving! whathehell Aug 2014 #172
Israel went around the White House direct to Pentagon MattP Aug 2014 #60
Very good. potone Aug 2014 #62
Netanyahu is a racist as well as a murderer. George Bush all over again. loudsue Aug 2014 #98
+1000 NealK Aug 2014 #161
K&R n/t myrna minx Aug 2014 #63
I can't believe it yellowwoodII Aug 2014 #64
K&R mac56 Aug 2014 #65
k&r AnAzulTexas Aug 2014 #66
When Netanyahu said "Don't ever second guess me again," his ass popped into the toaster. Zen Democrat Aug 2014 #68
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #69
My so called 'smart' phone wont let me rec this.... chknltl Aug 2014 #70
Coulda edited my post.... chknltl Aug 2014 #125
So used to rubber stamping that they didn't see the need. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #72
STARVE THE BEAST mwrguy Aug 2014 #73
This is long overdue. beemer27 Aug 2014 #74
knr frylock Aug 2014 #75
Great news! yellerpup Aug 2014 #76
Looks like Bibi will have to beg now... Helen Borg Aug 2014 #77
Hillary wouldn't have done this. Duppers Aug 2014 #78
No she would have sent anything they wanted..To hell with the Palestinians. abakan Aug 2014 #85
Yes!! n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #79
I'd tell Netanyahu to kiss my real red-blood American ass. TRoN33 Aug 2014 #80
Damn straight. abakan Aug 2014 #81
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #83
The entire Wall Street Journal article is well worth reading karynnj Aug 2014 #86
Great post. I am so proud... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #151
He's wrong waiting them out - as there is no illusive winning solution that is gained by waiting karynnj Aug 2014 #168
K&R Ineeda Aug 2014 #88
good Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #90
That's a good start. pa28 Aug 2014 #91
IBI LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #93
I am happy about this in-spite of Mineral Man trying to use reverse psychology on us. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #95
Bibi's alligator mouth finally got his hummingbird ass in trouble. Good. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2014 #101
Good. It's the right thing to do. nt. nolabear Aug 2014 #104
HEY BIBI, YOU HAVE BEEN SECOND GUESSED AGAIN drynberg Aug 2014 #108
Did McCain's head explode? liberal N proud Aug 2014 #109
Hell fire missles are old and out dated. penndragon69 Aug 2014 #111
Great. It's not much but it's a start. PFunk Aug 2014 #112
This OP has hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2014 #116
I hope this serves to remind people that the President is working on issues BainsBane Aug 2014 #117
I have heard whispers that humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #122
What is with the obsession with what appears on television? BainsBane Aug 2014 #123
Drop by whitehouse.gov and thank him for this n/t eridani Aug 2014 #118
K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #119
ha! i was just about to post the same... hopemountain Aug 2014 #174
We are of like mind. ;-) n/t ReRe Aug 2014 #175
'..The buck stops here. Wait a second…It's not OK anymore.' " Cha Aug 2014 #120
Good becasue one thing is certainly clear.... humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #121
"Lastly, the contrast between this episode and Hillary's Atlantic interview is amazing. It's no.. Cha Aug 2014 #124
Might just be symbolic. Might just be a grudge. But it's a good start! n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #126
K&R n/t proReality Aug 2014 #127
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #128
Netanyahu is a fascist POS. i wish i could recommend m-lekktor Aug 2014 #130
This thread is a dream. I'm asleep and it's just a nighttime wishful fantasy. Rozlee Aug 2014 #131
K&R McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #136
"completely miscalculates their place in the world" riverwalker Aug 2014 #137
"Translated..Who the f%@ck do they think they are"?..Damn straight! whathehell Aug 2014 #171
Did anyone read this article? littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #139
K & R. GoneFishin Aug 2014 #140
Mic drop! BumRushDaShow Aug 2014 #141
Netan-"Yahoo" (mean't in the Jonathan Swift sense)... nikto Aug 2014 #142
The Guardian quoted Netanyahu 12 days before this finally filters to the mainstream media... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #144
Take that flamingdem Aug 2014 #146
K&R daschess1987 Aug 2014 #147
Wow, something really is changing. The bullies are getting pushback finally, not just Israel sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #148
Obama told the truth and it pissed off some brass cops...maybe they should LISTEN to him Rex Aug 2014 #149
Stuff like this scares me, tho... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #163
True, but if they go up against the POTUS they are going to lose. Rex Aug 2014 #170
THANK YOU OBAMA! Warpy Aug 2014 #152
Good!!! supercats Aug 2014 #153
I remember an article that said the weapons transfer was not an "emergency" request morningfog Aug 2014 #155
K & R defacto7 Aug 2014 #162
K&R nt raouldukelives Aug 2014 #166
Not just the United States, also Spain and the U.K. PADemD Aug 2014 #169
Good!! n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #173

underpants

(196,495 posts)
3. "No tickee no laundry" Where's Colin Powell when you need him?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:59 AM
Aug 2014

I hope someone gets that reference

malaise

(296,105 posts)
103. When you tell the President of the United Stats not to second guess you
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:44 PM
Aug 2014

when you're dependent on both his money and weapons, you've crossed the line.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
132. The buck ain't worth a nickle anymore.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:01 PM
Aug 2014

I would love to see the president tell the GOP and the Dinos, to kiss his ass, on live TV.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
96. I think he is using reverse psychology. He wants us to r&K to spite him.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:11 PM
Aug 2014

So I'm am using reverse-reverse psychology and am kicking and rec'ing.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
94. I like how you make a game of this. Let us guess what you are insinuating.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:06 PM
Aug 2014

By the way, so far it isn't sinking.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
165. I think this thread demonstrates what the nation would feel if the President
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:46 AM
Aug 2014

stood up to Bibi and the restof the Likud regime and offered a more balanced approach to ME policies. It's not that one has to be an anti-Semite or want to blame, defame, or shame Jews anywhere. It's that the current policies of the regime in control of Israel and its policies against the Palestinians are not supported by the world in general and a lot of Americans who are afraid to express themselves against those policies and practices in particular.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
10. Sadly when the weapons are reduced to nothing but rocks and bottles
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:06 AM
Aug 2014

they'll still be going at each other.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
43. At least with rocks and bottles, they
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:33 AM
Aug 2014

have to get close enough to see each others face.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
110. ANd what they see will be that they are exactly the same--yet somehow still different
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:06 PM
Aug 2014

enough to justify their hatred.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
82. bottles and rocks will level the playing field
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:18 PM
Aug 2014

and make it easier, and possible, for noncombatants to get out of the way.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. I suspected that Netanyahu's arrogant comment would come back to bite him on the ass.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:10 AM
Aug 2014

Good!

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
133. This one
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:17 PM
Aug 2014
Netanyahu Told US: Never Second-Guess Me Again on Hamas

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu reportedly had harsh words for the White House on Friday, according to the Associated Press, warning the administration of US President Barack Obama "not to ever second guess me again" after Hamas broke a 72-hour truce with Israel and attacked Givati soldiers in Rafah.

Netanyahu reportedly stated that he "should be trusted" on Middle East issues regarding Israel's security and that he "expected" full US support for Israel's decisions in Gaza.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
150. He 'expects full US support for Israel's decisions on Gaza'! Well, who can blame him. Sometimes I
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:51 PM
Aug 2014

used to wonder if he ran this country as well as Israel. I remember him walking into our Congress and getting a STANDING OVATION from both sides of the aisle. I don't think any actual President ever got that.

Maybe we don't need Israel anymore. We have a tendency to back away from 'allies' when they start to become more of a problem than they are worth. See Saddam, longtime favorite dictator, decades long actually. But in the end when we had no more use for him, look what happened.

I have said over and over again that Israelis should prepare themselves for the time when we no longer need THEM and start making friends with their neighbors.

Who knows, maybe that moment has come ....

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
20. How long until Carnival Cruz grandstands on this?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:19 AM
Aug 2014

Oh that's right, he is on vacation and can't stop anything in the Senate right now.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
30. A ray of light! At least some in the US are waking up to Israel's arrogance.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:41 AM
Aug 2014

It's only a start and I would have liked a more pronounced slap down of Netanyahu, but at least something is happening. There must be consequences for Israel's despicable behavior.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
37. Excellent!
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:00 AM
Aug 2014

Not only a well-deserved slap to Netanyahu for his "don't second-guess me" comments, but also puts the Pentagon on notice that they need to remember who's in charge -- they report to the President, not the other way around.

K&R

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
89. Which begs the question, had they gone through proper channels would the WH have
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:43 PM
Aug 2014

approved it?



Hoping this is a policy shift and not just a pissing match.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
115. it makes sense that if they did not go through proper channels
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Aug 2014

something stopped them from trying to sneak around issued protocols. which has me asking - how many other demands from 'nytyahoo' have been filled without going through proper channels?

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
143. Yeah, I read this article to my husband over dinner, and his response
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:44 PM
Aug 2014

was along the lines of "So? I'll bet they've been doing that for the last 30 years."

I tend to think this might be the first administration that's given Israel much push back in terms of its weaponry demands, so no impetus for this kind of end-run existed before, but who knows.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
41. Excellent! Obama took action where he could.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
Aug 2014

THIS is why they hate him....if he can find a way (where there is one), he does it.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
42. Any slowing of the massive out flow of arms
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
Aug 2014

from our country (USA) is a good thing. We arm the world then respond with more arms when they are actually used. One fucked up business model.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
49. I approve.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:33 PM
Aug 2014

It's not going to stop the fighting, but it signals an end to the blank-check era. Or a pause, at least.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
50. Bibi is going to be pissed. Not that I care.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:42 PM
Aug 2014

Let's halt the three billion we contribute them every year as well.

I think that could be better spent on things like education here in the USA.

1monster

(11,045 posts)
100. Let's hope he's ticked enough that he continues to openly show his contempt for
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:41 PM
Aug 2014

the US and its government which has had Israel's back from the start. Maybe then, all those who have not seen what has been done with our tax dollars will have an opportunity to know and revise their unconditional support of Israel's tactics. Strings (ropes, really) should be frimly tied to any aid to any foreign government. No agree to the stings, no need to get aid.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
53. It has always made me a bit heartsick and nauseated
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:46 PM
Aug 2014

when I stop and think that a portion of the money I have worked hard to earn has been used to create bombs that kill children and devastate families.

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
56. the old saying rings true
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

With friends like that, who needs enemies?

There is a lot of support for this right wing nut job here, why?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
61. Which RW nutjob?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:14 PM
Aug 2014

Hillary's best bud Bibi?

There are a handful of DU posters (well, a lot more since the propaganda push got underway and Israel started paying Israeli college kids to post pro-Israel propaganda online) who are 100% onboard with Bibi slaughtering Palestinians left and right in the name of 'Defense'.

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
71. I was referring to net and yahoo
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:30 PM
Aug 2014

Funny though, its possible I could have been referring to our next Walmart president, miss hillbilly.
Sad state we're in isn't it?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
57. K&R .... A significant step in the correct direction
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

Let's step up the pressure for further divestment of funding/disarmament and SANCTIONS.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
58. I would keep the champange on ice for a little while longer.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:01 PM
Aug 2014

"reporting" that "with Israel's consent" , .... regarding the halt of hell fire missiles shipment blah blah blah, ..... while continuing the shipments of Iron Dome munitions ?

I can't see the US stopping an arms deal on a dime, and then making it public knowledge in midst of an Israeli military operations theatre. There are several things that could easily be going on ... even without the Dailykos' knowledge.

I'm putting my money on Red, the color of lies and munitions money. I doubt very seriously the United States has decided to show the world that now is the time to cut Israel adrft regarding offensive weaponry, and then make it public knowledge.

There is a lot more than "US halts shipments of Hellfire Missiles" in that article, and even more that the WSJ won't know, even from a "senior official".

Not all that glitters is gold, and people will believe horseshit tastes like kobe beef if the right chef charges enough.



 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
164. i like your skepticism
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:30 AM
Aug 2014

the idea that we can never really know what is going on behind the scenes is crucial to remember, as is the idea that one decision by the white house does not signal a significant trend away from imperialism.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
167. I'm skeptical of everything the "news" reports,
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:59 AM
Aug 2014

there are no actual "news" outlets anymore. The online "news" sources are probably worse than televised "news", for the same reason the average person uses online anonymity to push the limit of common sense, .......personal satisfaction. An adrenaline rush of wanting people to agree with you, instead of informing them with the news ....good or bad.

"News" or "factual" reporting, have given way to speculation, opinion, and conjecture spewed out at "fact", simply for the sake of televised ratings and online site "clicks". But the goal is the same, ........ advertising dollars. Most shocking news=most believers.

The right exaggerates events, or leaves entire segments of truth out, and the base eats it up, ........... the left does the same thing, ..... and each blames the other for their ignorance. "Like riding an insane horse, thru a burning barn" ........ that quote works in nearly every situation.

Not everything right is wrong, and not everything left is right. However both sides viciously defend what they are told by a biased "news" source,.... if this weren't real life , it would be a great sitcom format.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
59. It sounds a bit 'tit for tat', as in done out of pique
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:09 PM
Aug 2014

but it's still a good outcome. Missiles are not 'defensive' weaponry against Hamas.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
60. Israel went around the White House direct to Pentagon
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:12 PM
Aug 2014

A article in WSJ say that the Bibi outflanked Obama by getting the DoD to directly supply them without white house approval.

potone

(1,701 posts)
62. Very good.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:20 PM
Aug 2014

Netanyahu's arrogance is amazing. Perhaps now he will stop treating our President like an ignorant lackey of his. It will be interesting to see just how much of a political uproar this will cause here. I hope the President doesn't back down.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
98. Netanyahu is a racist as well as a murderer. George Bush all over again.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:24 PM
Aug 2014

Netanyahu and Cheney must be brothers from different mothers.

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
64. I can't believe it
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:30 PM
Aug 2014

That is incredibly brave. Thank you. Thank you. Makes me proud to be an American.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
68. When Netanyahu said "Don't ever second guess me again," his ass popped into the toaster.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:48 PM
Aug 2014

He's a real jerk and so full of himself that he's intolerable. Israel needs a new leader with a good mind and both a heart and soul, not a pugnacious threatening loudmouth.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
70. My so called 'smart' phone wont let me rec this....
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:22 PM
Aug 2014

...but it can't stop me from kicking it! (It's the little triumphs that gets one through one's day)

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
125. Coulda edited my post....
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:26 PM
Aug 2014

but wanted to officially KnR the OP with my home computer instead! Put THAT in yer pipe n smoke it you stupid 'smart' phone!

beemer27

(599 posts)
74. This is long overdue.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:35 PM
Aug 2014

Many of us support Israel, but have been getting ticked off by the assumption on their part that whatever they do or say will be supported by us. They seem to forget-They need us, we don't need them. If they want to be our ally, they should start acting like it. We are not their "sugar daddy", and are sick of being treated like one. Everyone knows that they went too far in their response this time, and yet there are people who wish that they would have done even more. It is time to rein in the dogs of war and figure out a way for everyone to have basic human rights and dignity in that part of the world. We hold the purse strings, and because of this, we should be listened too. The US should not be treated like a slave who will do their master's bidding. And we should quit acting like one.

abakan

(1,996 posts)
85. No she would have sent anything they wanted..To hell with the Palestinians.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:20 PM
Aug 2014

Don't you know she would have to prove her balls are the biggest in the world.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
80. I'd tell Netanyahu to kiss my real red-blood American ass.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:16 PM
Aug 2014

He really think he can get away with getting our weapons for free just to kill Palestine children? This is real thug POS. There are very good Israeli people but Netanyahu and his administration are tainting this world with their appetite of murdering children without any kinds of consequence.

abakan

(1,996 posts)
81. Damn straight.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:17 PM
Aug 2014

You want to be treated as friends and allies , act like friends and allies and talking trash to our president won't make it easier for us to help you.

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
86. The entire Wall Street Journal article is well worth reading
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:22 PM
Aug 2014

As a liberal Jew, I am absolutely sickened by the current government in Israel. Their behavior towards Obama and Kerry was beneath contempt. Both Americans were working in good faith to stop the killing and had earlier invested heavily in trying to achieve a real 2 state solution. They deserve praise for what they tried to do.

This article clearly describes that the attacks on them were due to Israel wanting "more time" before a ceasefire was imposed to insure Hamas was sufficiently punished.

Hamas IS a terrorist group, but this war was as clearly ginned up by Netanyahu with lies as the Iraq war was by Bush. It is likely what really set things in motion was the announcement of the Unity government for Palestine. Rather than at least giving it a chance to work, Israel condemned it and said it would consider it as they did Hamas.

When three teens were kidnapped and killed, Netanyahu spent about two weeks arresting about 400 "Hamas related" people as spoke of the urgent need to find the kids. In fact, Israeli intelligence knew within days that they were dead and their estimate was that Hamas did not order this. Hamas predictably responded with a huge increase in rockets into Israel - which led to the disproportionate Israeli response.

I personally am proud that my President and his Secretary of State had the humanity to be troubled by both the deaths in Gaza and the way Gaza was. I hope that Netanyahu's unethical leak and mischaracterization of the draft that several European nations, Turkey and Kerry worked on will backfire. It makes it clear that the 7 year seize must be lifted.

What horrifies me is the comments on the article. I regret EVER having argued to anyone who blamed AIPAC for anything that they were overstating things. In addition, I am saddened by having little hope that Netanyahu is wrong about thinking all he has to do is wait for Obama to be out of office.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
151. Great post. I am so proud...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:11 AM
Aug 2014

...of Kerry and Obama. They are pushing forward for a long term solution to this crisis...and several others. This is why I voted for them.
As to Netanyahu, he's wrong about waiting them out. Dems aren't throwing in the towel yet.

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
168. He's wrong waiting them out - as there is no illusive winning solution that is gained by waiting
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:32 AM
Aug 2014

In Ari Savit's recent book looking at the possible solutions - he ends up simply restating what Tom Friedman wrote in the 1980s, Israel must choose 2 of the following three things: being a diplomatic state, having all the land of "greater Israel", and being a majority Jewish state well into the future. Shavit lists 4 possible outcomes - 3 of which he rules out - (2 immoral outcomes - ethnic cleaning by removing the Palestinians and an apartheid nation and the idea of a pluralist democracy where everyone has the same rights. This left only the two state solution --- but in his book written last year -- his view was that Israel did not have the right leadership to do that. (Yet he praises Netanyahu to the hilt for his anti Iran position. So, it is not that he views Netanyahu as too weak.)

His position is interesting because he is someone who had been part of the Israeli peace movement decades ago and he refers to himself as a liberal Zionist. It is exactly people like him who have advocated for the two state solution for years - as it gives them both a Jewish state and democracy. However his reluctance in his book to even question pushing Netanyahu to be the leader needed was troubling and frustrating when I read it. He has been one of the worst Kerry bashers in Haaretz (which is a left leaning paper.) When push comes to shove, he is not an advocate for ANY move towards two states.

A more troubling internal conflict in his book is that he repeatedly pats himself on the back for admitting to the Naqba (where Jews killed Palestinians and drove them out of some of their villages in 1948) AND arguing that it was necessary to create the Jewish state that he loves. He seems to consider this more honest that liberals who are troubled by it. I wonder if his current adherence to Netanyahu - even as he lied Israel into this latest war - is somehow coming from the same root.

This may be making too much of one journalist, well respected as he is, but I wonder if - in fact - the real prospect of change to a two state solution - has created a huge amount of real fear for the country they (Israelis) love changing too much too quickly. If Shavit can mentally accept the Naqba, I assume he could accept an apartheid state to preserve what he currently has. Others may be less intellectually honest in what they are accepting as they reject a two state solution.

The Israeli reaction to the ceasefire draft proposal (ignore that it was not intended to be the final proposal) does show that any two state solution - something that goes far beyond anything in that draft - would likely not have an easy time. Yet, it is the only reasonable alternative. If the effort is abandoned now, it is not clear any future attempt will be made.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
91. That's a good start.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:53 PM
Aug 2014

I wonder how long the Israelis have been receiving weapons directly from the pentagon and who authorized it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
95. I am happy about this in-spite of Mineral Man trying to use reverse psychology on us.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

Kick and Rec.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
101. Bibi's alligator mouth finally got his hummingbird ass in trouble. Good.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:43 PM
Aug 2014
"We have many, many friends around the world. The United States is their strongest friend," the official said. "The notion that they are playing the United States, or that they're manipulating us publicly, completely miscalculates their place in the world."

Ooooo. That one's gonna leave a mark! Cue much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and rending of garments by AIPAC in 3... 2... 1...
 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
111. Hell fire missles are old and out dated.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:12 PM
Aug 2014

They need to clear the warehouses for NEWER and more destructive ordinances.

PFunk

(876 posts)
112. Great. It's not much but it's a start.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:16 PM
Aug 2014

Now it's time to back him up on this against the AIPAC/idiot friends of isreal backlash.

Response to Enthusiast (Reply #113)

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
117. I hope this serves to remind people that the President is working on issues
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:50 PM
Aug 2014

even if he isn't on your television sets talking about it. I fully expect that is the case for Ferguson as well.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
122. I have heard whispers that
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:18 PM
Aug 2014

he is planning a return to D.C. this weekend from his vacation. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he paid a visit to Ferguson can you imagine the feeling of seeing him on TV hugging Michael Browns mother.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
174. ha! i was just about to post the same...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:52 PM
Aug 2014

"see what happens when you bite the hands that feed you, you self righteous arrogant bully!"

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
121. Good becasue one thing is certainly clear....
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

"Mr. Netanyahu and his national security team are both reckless and untrustworthy."


I am glad President Obama has stood up to this, and I am glad because less people will ultimately die....


Cha

(319,076 posts)
124. "Lastly, the contrast between this episode and Hillary's Atlantic interview is amazing. It's no..
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:24 PM
Aug 2014
wonder the Israeli official quoted in the article says all they have to do is wait out Obama for 2 years."

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
130. Netanyahu is a fascist POS. i wish i could recommend
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

this thread more than once. fuck that racist right wing Israeli regime!

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
131. This thread is a dream. I'm asleep and it's just a nighttime wishful fantasy.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

Stuff like this doesn't happen in real life.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
137. "completely miscalculates their place in the world"
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:30 PM
Aug 2014

Translated: Who the f%@k do they think they are?


whathehell

(30,468 posts)
171. "Translated..Who the f%@ck do they think they are"?..Damn straight!
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:35 AM
Aug 2014

Go on with your bad self, Mr. Prez!

littlemissmartypants

(33,588 posts)
139. Did anyone read this article?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 08:27 PM
Aug 2014

Obama bashing.
Tripe.
Written to excite and incite.
Poor Netty. Didn't get our missles.
They need to be recycled into solar powered trash cans for writing like this so-called news report. And definitely secured in the USA.

YOU DO NOT PASS THIS SH*T AROUD LIKE CANDY, FFS!

Next thing we know the Koch brothers will be paying him to bomb us.
Inflammatory, imo.

No recommendation from me.
Thanks for the additional links.

Love you, kpete.
~Lmsp

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
144. The Guardian quoted Netanyahu 12 days before this finally filters to the mainstream media...
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:02 PM
Aug 2014

Israel had been ordering weapons directly through the Pentagon without directly going through the channels. How is it that this was even tolerable before that statement that finally sunk in by Netanyahu?

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, because although I'm very happy to hear about this, I'm about as pissed off over what has been done IN OUR NAME.

You know how big the Gaza strip is? 150 square miles That's 10 by 15 miles… 2 million people within that border and they can't go anywhere. It's a fucking "escape from NY" situation. They can't go anywhere… Just what in the world would the Israeli people if faced with being locked up in one of their shopping malls and turning all the artillery on their collective assess? Does this put it in perspective quite well? I certainly hope so.

Here's another thing I've said… Withhold the funding, bring all the leaders to a room, don't let them out, no water, no food, don't let them out until they work out a peace agreement. There you go… You don't need a course in diplomacy or foreign policy experience to come up with that fast hard fix. Don't let the motherfuckers have one drop of water, go to the bathroom until it's in place.

This destruction has been funded by YOU.

You, and me… BTW, we pay more taxes than GE and the other war criminal companies that built all of these life ending weapons.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
148. Wow, something really is changing. The bullies are getting pushback finally, not just Israel
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:36 PM
Aug 2014

but the militarization of the police Advocates.

Good for the WH, it's about time. The Palestinians need protection as we saw and to further arm bullies with no regard for human life who blame children for their own deaths was beyond wrong.

Good news. Finally.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
149. Obama told the truth and it pissed off some brass cops...maybe they should LISTEN to him
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:40 PM
Aug 2014

and STFU. There were unacceptable actions taken and it is important for the POTUS to point them out to the nation. NO and hell no we are not going to become a militarized nation.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
163. Stuff like this scares me, tho...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 04:07 AM
Aug 2014

These assholes will do anything to remain in power and get their way.

Anything.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
170. True, but if they go up against the POTUS they are going to lose.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:09 AM
Aug 2014

He is fearless or at least imo he is. Obama will chew them up and spit them out. I hear ya...it scares me too, but I put all my faith in Obama and his leadership skills.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
152. THANK YOU OBAMA!
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:25 AM
Aug 2014

Of course, Israel will simply buy equivalent missiles from Asia. It will cost them more and maybe they will do less blanket destruction in the future. Who knows, maybe a few schools will survive next time. However, it's time to get Israel off the taxpayer tit and supporting themselves.

 

supercats

(429 posts)
153. Good!!!
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:35 AM
Aug 2014

Fuck Israel, they have turned into Germany from back in the day. Netanyahu is a plain out killer thug. Fuck him. Who the fuck does this piss ant think he is. Let's crush him like a bug and move on.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
155. I remember an article that said the weapons transfer was not an "emergency" request
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:41 AM
Aug 2014

and that Israel had its weapons restocked by Pentagon's routine cycling of weapons from its depot. Interesting.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
162. K & R
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:03 AM
Aug 2014

OK, now how do we get the 60 +/- nuclear warheads back that they say they don't really have? Or maybe they made them themselves but really don't have any, even though they have tested one they don't have, so we would not be able to claim them because they don't have them because they made the ones they don't have.

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