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UPDATE - August 18, 2014: Our Op/Ed on why Ferguson Thomas Jackson Must Resign has been RT'ed by NYT Columnist Charles Blow after Brown's Family Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden's report.The Tweet is here and the link is to the article. Please reshare the article, if preferred:
@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1 - @IUNewsTalk
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It is a Robbery that is allegedly shown in the still pictures and the video. The video has been released on MSNBC and the entire incident was less than 45 sections.
The Suspect appears in the video attempt to walk out of a store holding the alleged cigarillo's stolen in hand.
The alleged Victim runs in front of the door of the store, allegedly to stop the Suspect from leaving the location with the alleged cigarillo's stolen.
The Suspect pushes the alleged Victim out of the exit door of the store, near a store rack, and immediately let's go of the Victim in less than 10 sections.
The Suspect proceed to walk out of the door with another individual.
The Victim begins to re-approach the Suspect again.
The Suspect turns to the left to re-approach the Victim, however does not re-confront the Victim in any assaultive way. Words are exchanged.
The Suspect turns back to the right towards the store door and walks out of the door with the alleged Cigarillo's, with another individual.
The Victim approaches the door and appears to be yelling out of the door, while holding the door.
The Suspect is not seen again in the video at this point.
NOW....since that is out of the way, the force used by Law Enforcement Official DARREN WILSON in response to this alleged Robbery was excessive! To shoot an Alleged Suspect in a alleged Robbery 8-10 Times in the streets like a DOG for allegedly pushing a store clerk after allegedly stealing Cigarillo's, this action DOES NOT fit the nature of the alleged crime!
Officer DARREN WILSON should be charged with Murder in the First Degree and Police Chief Thomas Jackson MUST RESIGN from the Ferguson Police Department for failing to train his staff in proper procedures in engaging criminal suspects, along with failing to instruct his staff to call for BACK-UP as a MANDATORY ACTION for engaging a suspect in an alleged robbery WITHOUT a WEAPON.
The Force Used DOES NOT FIT the ALLEGED CRIME. In addition, Ferguson Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON must be FORCED to RESIGN for TAINTING the investigation of the KILLING of Mike Brown!
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calimary
(81,261 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)As a former official in the Law Enforcement arena, I am seriously disturbed by any attempts to "justify" the killing of Mike Brown with an alleged Robbery that occurred in the Ferguson community 30 minutes earlier, without engaging in a FULL REVIEW of the separation of BOTH incidents.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)There has not been any statement from the police that this was a robbery investigation until today.....
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)HOWEVER, this is what Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON is alleging. Jackson by releasing this video, in relation to this case, is using a quid per quo (this for that) strategy to justify the murder by his Police Officer DARREN WILSON for the killing of Michael Brown.
It is important to point out this FACT, what Jackson is attempting to do. By releasing this video, Jackson seeks to TAINT the investigation into the killing of Michael Brown. This MUST BE TOLD.
If Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON is justifying the killing of 18 Year Old Michael Brown for an alleged robbery 15-30 minutes earlier of Cigarillo's, then Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON MUST RESIGN.
That is the point. Period!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)You are excessive in your "allegedlys."
Besides, this episode IS IRRELEVANT TO THE CRIME COMMITTED BY THE POLICE. The cigar part stands alone (but let's not pretend that, in the course of a robbery, aggressively shoving a smaller-sized clerk is tiddly-winks).
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)At this point, everything related to the Alleged Robbery is ALLEGED until a Suspect is convicted and charged. In this case, that action is likely never to occur. Since as the person Ferguson Police Department ALLEGED to have committed this suspected crime, suspect Michael Brown, is dead.
The facts are not so until they are proven beyond reasonable doubt in the robbery. What is FACT at this point is, Michael Brown is dead. Shot on a street 8-10 times by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
A court of law will determine if the killing of Michael Brown by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson was First Degree Murder, Second Degree Murder, Manslaughter or Wilson is not guilty of any crime. As a former Law Enforcement Official, it is impossible to believe, based on Witness accounts thus far, Wilson is not guilty of First Degree Murder.
EIther way, a jury of Wilson's peers will make the final determination. Any other comments or questions "WinkyDink"?
rustydog
(9,186 posts)Once a shoplifter uses force (pushing the shopkeeper) the shoplifting now becomes strong-arm robbery. Not armed robbery, but the definition now changes. It isn't a simple theft because the thief used physical force to commit the "crime."
The suspect, ANY suspect arrested for a crime has not been proven guilty of anything, they have been ARRESTED on suspicion of committing a crime.
Apparently, the police officer committed one of the most severe cases of excessive force in ages. He shot an unarmed man six or more times for Jay-walking...
Anything else at this point is speculation.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)jen63
(813 posts)that the release of the videotape of the alleged theft occurred almost a week after the murder of of Michael. Plenty of time to cover their tracks, which seems to be this PDs MO.
What police agency releases an incomplete report on a shooting ?
The Jackson police released info on the robbery as they were compelled to do under the Sunshine Act.
I don't get this.
The investigation of the shooting is ongoing.
They've had press conferences to outline what they're up to.
The St Louis County Police are conducting the investigation - not the Ferguson police.
The FBI/AG Holder are looking into the Civil Rights aspects.
The prosecutor says the next step will be to take the evidence collected when they've completed their investigation to a Grand Jury. They've already started work towards preparing for the Grand Jury to speed this along as best as they reasonably can without compromising the case.
Who promised a police report on the shooting would already be delivered at this point?
This is not Chief Jackson's call - whether to charge Wilson or not - whatsoever. So the top post seems nonsensical to me.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)This whole "investigation" reeks.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)A statement from the Brown Family was just released expressing their "OUTRAGE" in the way the information on the alleged robbery crime was released in a "DEVIANT" way by the Ferguson Police Department.
Good for them, as that is exactly WHY FERGUSON Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON did, and HE MUST RESIGN NOW!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)What would you have the police chief and district attorney indicted for?
Overseas
(12,121 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)just because of his skin color. EOM.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Murder 1 would be nearly impossible from what I've seen.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)...and Wilson stood over him and decided to finish him off with a shot to the head? And afterwards, didn't bend down to help Brown, didn't call an ambulance - NOTHING.
He executed him and he meant to do it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Notice all they seem to worry about is the semantics...could care less about the dead kid.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That sounds like Wilson intentionally shot him with malice. That's murder 2. Murder 1 would mean Wilson had been planning to kill Brown before the incident started.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)The shooting is a totally separate matter, the officer initiated contact with Michael Brown because he was walking in the street.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Given by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson. This post was based off his FIRST STATEMENT....not second, or third.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That has a much higher bar than most of DU seems to think...
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)(Dr. Michael Baden)
"Baden, who also spoke at the news conference, said Brown, 18, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. None of the bullets entered from the back, and three were recovered from Brown's body, he said.
Brown could have survived all of his wounds except for the shot to the top of his head, Baden said. That shot was probably sustained last, hitting Brown as he was bending over, and exited through his right eye, he said.
Baden said Brown was shot from at least one foot away but the distance could have been as far as 30 feet. Baden said six bullets entered Brown's body and at least two bullets ricocheted and traveled back through his body. Bullet wounds to Brown's arms could have been sustained by putting his hands up or crossing his arms."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/
"One bullet entered the top of his head and another entered directly above his right eyebrow. Mr Brown was 6ft 4in (1.9m) tall.
"All of the gunshot wounds could have been survivable, except the one at the top of the head," Dr Baden said."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28839522
"Dr Baden said there were no signs of a struggle, as abrasions around the teenager's face were likely from falling to the pavement after being shot.
He also believed Mr Wilson did not shoot him at close range as there was no gunpowder residue on his body, suggesting the officer was at least 2ft away.
Another autopsy on Mr Brown by the US justice department, in addition to examinations by Dr Baden's and St Louis county officials."
Dr Baden said there were no signs of a struggle, as abrasions around the teenager's face were likely from falling to the pavement after being shot.
He also believed Mr Wilson did not shoot him at close range as there was no gunpowder residue on his body, suggesting the officer was at least 2ft away."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28839522
All wounds were SURVIVABLE except the ones to the head. In other words, Michael Brown could have survived if a SHOOT to STOP instead of SHOOT to KILL strategy was deployed by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who is still running free.
Furthermore, Dr. Michael Baden statements prove that Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson LIED in his presser last week (the first one) where he stated Wilson "struggled" with Brown.
With such, THOMAS JACKSON MUST GO and DARREN WILSON MUST BE ARRESTED NOW for the Murder of Michael Brown.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Thanks!
immoderate
(20,885 posts)And it presupposes that cops can shoot like Annie Oakley. And then there's the lawsuits...
--imm
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)From a Law Enforcement Official (as, we are former ones ourselves -- however, lets take a different view than ours, okay)....
There was a sudden crackling of the PA system and the range master began to speak:
Two shots to the body, center mass...follow it with one to the head. The use of a firearm is deadly force, folks and your shots need to stop the threat. Remember, the ultimate responsibility for taking another human life is yours. No one else can make that decision for you. You have to be prepared both physically and mentally. To stop a deadly threat you have to know when and where to shoot. I want to see good target placement and a tight group on your chest shots. Are there any questions? OK... Is the line ready? The line is ready... on the command... draw and fire!
READ MORE: http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3468112-Shooting-center-mass-Shooting-to-kill-or-to-stop/
By the way, who is the writer:
About the author
Roy Bedard is the President of RRB Systems International, a law enforcement product and training company in Tallahassee, Fla. Bedard travels throughout the United States and abroad training police, corrections and military professionals in close quarter and field tactics. Roy is a Consulting Producer for the A&E series Rookies and Biography Channels FEMALE FORCES, starring PoliceOne Columnist Betsy Brantner-Smith and the women of Naperville Police Department. Bedards latest project, Operation Wild, is a six episode season focusing on the officers of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. Check out his websites at www.roybedard.com and www.rrbsystems.com.
Shoot to STOP is a regular term used in the law enforcement community. Shot to Kill is NEVER USED. Overforce, as in Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson case when BEYOND Shoot to Stop into SHOOT to KILL theory, which is why he should be charged with Michael Brown's murder. PERIOD!
AGAIN, EVIDENCE and not OPINION is important in this case. Thank you!
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I fully agree that two to the body, and one to the head, (specially 'tween the eyes) will STOP most alleged miscreants.
--imm
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Murder 1 would require that the cop planned the killing beforehand.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)See MineralMan's thread on the topic of Recall.