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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:20 PM Aug 2014

Two events that opened my eyes to what police are capable of . . .

I've posted about these in the past, but given the news of the past week, it seems like an appropriate time to post about them once again.

I moved to NYC in 1982, right out of college. Having grown up in a very small, rural town in Pennsylvania, I was taught to view law enforcement as "the good guys," so when I moved to New York, I carried with me that default view of the NYPD. But I personally witnessed two incidents that forced me to see that my view of the essential goodness of the NYPD, and of police in general, had been very naive. Both of these incidents occurred during the Giuliani administration, and had I not witnessed them first hand, I might have had a hard time believing they actually occurred.

The first was in 1998, just a few days after the murder of Matthew Shepard in Laramie, Wyoming. That event touched many people very deeply, myself included. Early one afternoon, I got word from a work colleague that there was to be an impromptu vigil in memory of Matthew at 59th & Fifth Avenue (in front of the Plaza Hotel) at around 4:30 p.m. He said that several other folks from the office were going, and invited me to join, which of course I did. My colleague said he thought it would be a pretty small affair, since it was basically just a word-of-mouth thing that had been organized within the previous 24 hours. The vigil's organizer's, as I understand it, expected maybe a couple hundred people to show up. So they, and everyone else, was shocked when something like 5,000 people assembled. Since we were overflowing the plaza area in front of the hotel, some folks decided perhaps the thing to do would be to make a silent march down Fifth Avenue to Washington Square Park as a memorial to Mr. Shepard and a statement against the violence that took his life. The NYPD quickly stepped in to inform folks that under no circumstances would they be permitted to march, since they hadn't secured a permit in advance. But the crowd's emotions were simply running too high. The police were unprepared for the number of people, but they ultimately agreed to let the march proceed provided it remained on the sidewalk and didn't block traffic on Fifth Avenue. But there were simply too many people to be able to confine them successfully to the sidewalk (although the organizers did try), and the crowd began to spill out onto the avenue as the silent march proceeded.

At about 44th Street, the police managed to split the crowd in two, forcing on half to turn right onto 44th Street, in the direction of 6th Avenue. The police told marchers they would be permitted to go down 6th Avenue instead of Fifth. The crowd complied, because we were not there to pick a fight with the police; we merely wanted to complete our silent vigil/march. When about half of us had been herded onto 44th Street, it quickly became apparent that the police had laid a trap. About two thirds of the way down the block, there was a solid line of policemen in full riot gear, along with equestrian units. Once they got the entirety of the rear half of the crowd onto the block, they corralled us in from behind with netting. And then the line of policemen literally charged the crowd. Even the mounted units charged full speed ahead, with horses stepping on people. The policemen on foot and on horseback began indiscriminately swinging nightsticks at the marchers. Many were injured, and many were herded into police vans and arrested. I managed to get out by ducking into a camera store and pretending to shop. At the time I remember thinking to myself, "this cannot be happening here, in this country, in 1998." But it happened.

The second incident was some months later. I was riding the subway on my way home to Brooklyn in the wee hours of the morning. There were only three or four passengers in the car I happened to be riding in, one of whom was a sleeping homeless guy who had stretched out along the length of one of the benches. If the man owned shoes, he wasn't wearing them. His feet, obviously badly infected, were swollen, mottled messes of black and purple. At one of the stations, two transit police officers boarded the car. They went over to the homeless guy and tried to rouse him, but he couldn't immediately be roused -- he might have been drunk, or maybe he just hadn't slept in days. After a few minutes of shaking him, yelling at him, etc., none of which was successful in waking him, one of the officers took out his nightstick in two hands and swung it, baseball bat style, directly into the soles of the man's feet. Of course, the man immediately sat bolt upright screaming in pain. By then we were approaching another station, were the officers roughly dragged him from the car (presumably to ticket him). For those not from NYC, you can be ticketed for lying down on the subway benches. But this was 3 a.m. in the morning, when next to no one was riding the train, so it's not like he was preventing anyone from being able to sit. Yet these officers, in a display of wantonly thuggish abuse of power, had to make this poor soul's sad life that much more miserable. Cruel, sadistic assholes. They did what they did merely because the could. And they knew that in NYC, even if someone were to complain about their abusive behavior, such complaints generally disappear into the bureaucratic neverland that is the Civilian Complaint Review Board. They knew there would be no consequences whatsoever.

It nags my conscience to this day that I didn't say something to those two police thugs. But if I had, I very likely would have found myself at the business end of that nightstick. To witness that kind of brutality first-hand really changes a person's perspective -- or at least, it really changed mine.

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Two events that opened my eyes to what police are capable of . . . (Original Post) markpkessinger Aug 2014 OP
Watch the movie "Fruitvale Station" if you haven't already. Initech Aug 2014 #1
Thanks, I'll look for it . . . markpkessinger Aug 2014 #2
It's a cinematic dramatic retelling of what happened. Initech Aug 2014 #9
Police must be brought into line. Dawson Leery Aug 2014 #3
Cops are good guys.... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #4
Abner Louima newcriminal Aug 2014 #5
Absolutely . . . markpkessinger Aug 2014 #8
Actually, he was reaching for his wallet, to show his ID to the cops. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #11
I have been very lucky. Kali Aug 2014 #6
I once went to a Facebook page that cops comment on. I found the link tblue37 Aug 2014 #12
That's heartbreaking hardcover Aug 2014 #7
Welcome to DU, hardcover! calimary Aug 2014 #10
I am a brown skinned immigrant golfguru Aug 2014 #13

Initech

(100,103 posts)
1. Watch the movie "Fruitvale Station" if you haven't already.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:23 PM
Aug 2014

It's definitely one of the most fucked up stories of police brutality that's ever been captured on film.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. Cops are good guys....
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:28 PM
Aug 2014

... when they are held accountable for their actions. When they aren't, they resort to being sadistic thugs.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
8. Absolutely . . .
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:40 PM
Aug 2014

The Louima incident occurred in 1997, the year before these two incidents that I witnessed. The following year, `1999, was the year the Haitian immigrant, Amadou Diallo, who was unarmed, was short 41 times in the vestibule of his Bronx apartment building as he reached for his keys. Those two incidents make for quite a set of bookends to the two I was witness to!

Kali

(55,019 posts)
6. I have been very lucky.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
Aug 2014

to be born white, to be at least wealthy enough to have never been on the streets, and to have never encountered personally a bad cop (other than the border patrol) but I know they are there and I know what they (any bully-minded group with power) are capable of.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
12. I once went to a Facebook page that cops comment on. I found the link
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:54 AM
Aug 2014

in some article I read. I was appalled to see that the cops actually crowed about being the "largest and most dangerous armed gang in America."

calimary

(81,487 posts)
10. Welcome to DU, hardcover!
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:11 AM
Aug 2014

Glad you're here. It IS heartbreaking! Really makes you wonder about the sour view those two cops had of that homeless man. Just so damn sad. And we live in an age when the whole idea of empathy is laughed at. Pretty awful, if you ask me. I remember watching dick cheney scoff and sneer at the whole idea of compassion. BASTARD. What I really hate is the idea that jerks who pull this cruelty on their fellow man pay no price for doing so (at least one the rest of us can see and from which we can all learn). And for those who sincerely believe that they'll get their comeuppance someday, or they'll be judged after they die and have to pay at that point - well, it's very cold comfort. I want to see them have to pay for it NOW. Like with cats and dogs. When they do something bad, the only way to address it is immediately then and there. Any corrective action taken later doesn't help, doesn't work, doesn't make sense, and sure doesn't teach them anything.

 

golfguru

(4,987 posts)
13. I am a brown skinned immigrant
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:05 AM
Aug 2014

In 54 years in USA, the only problem I had with police was in Chicago where they constantly tried to shake me down for a bribe. Other than that I never even came close to being abused by police anywhere. I consider the police the good guys. If I ever get in trouble with criminals, you bet I will call police first.

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