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[bigtree]

1. looks like it's out of control at this one spot

three stores broken into so far

crowd already warned by bullhorn of arrest or worse . . .

press warned to leave, as well

[ThePhilosopher04]

2. Agent Provacateurs

Betcha anything.

[bigtree]

4. likely, but now it's more than a few others joining in

[ThePhilosopher04]

5. That's the point

All it takes are a few to provoke mass looting.

[bigtree]

3. many people not engaged in anything wrong, many others joining in the looting

camera crew threatened by some looters

CNN on scene at liquor store; reporter attacked by someone

chaos . . .

[bigtree]

6. most of the regular protestors who had been standing firm in the street have moved back -

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mostly just troublemakers making all of the ruckus now . . .

helicopters now spotlighting scene

Most of even the more adamant protesters have pulled back . . .

Police still holding back

[House of Roberts]

7. CNN is covering live now.

The police line is advancing slowly.

[Separation]

8. Sister in law had her car smashed.

She lives in Valley Park which is next to Ferguson. She was returning home with her kids from her parents house, when she pulled up to her house she saw her car windows had been smashed.

Her husband is an IT guy and is currently on the road. She called the cops and said that the cop told her she was the 9th person in the last hour to have her car vandalized and that it is connected to the ferguson violence.

Obviously she is terrified and left her house and returned to her parents house.

[bigtree]

9. Alderman Antonio French made a heroic effort to move folks out of the street

. . . before the stores were broken into

Once that started, most of the regular protestors ran

Police slowly moving in now . . .

Mathew Keys crew is making a brave stand . . .threatened more than a few times by troublemakers.

Many adults still on scene pleading with those still troublemaking

[AgingAmerican]

10. According to the live feed

The cops showed up in riot gear and the place went off.

Stupid fucking cops.

[AgingAmerican]

11. The comments on the live feed

Are disgusting.

[Warpy]

12. Live stream said it was a block party, completely peaceful and in control, no looting

until the cops showed up. Then it all went sour in a few minutes.

[bigtree]

13. a few rocks thrown and the riot police showed up - that's when the trouble started

. . .the troops angered some in the crowd and they gathered in the middle of the street a ways down from the market where the Brown cigar theft allegedly took place . . .protestors stood off the police who had approached on foot, then they pulled back to their vehicles and addressed the crowd with a bullhorn asking them to disperse. threatening to arrest or worse

Crowd was intermittently standing firm and being persuaded by the alderman and some NOI members to move out of the street. That's when a store was broken into and the trouble started.
many good guys (and gals) out here . . .

Lots of anger at the police moving in being expressed . . .

[bigtree]

14. several young folks have arrived to try and stop the looting . . .

. . . the young folks are explaining that they are keeping order because the police didn't.

Very confused and volatile situation here . . .

One fellow has his mom on the phone who is worried for his safety . . .reporter is trying to assure her . . .she's crying . . .

Not sure this is safe for these young guys here. . . . but they're expressing their own anger at the looters and looking to help in some way to stop the foolishness.

Lot of good folks out here . . .

[bigtree]

15. young guys are actually protecting the store

. . . they are standing here at great risk of being swept up in the police net and are trying to regain order, with some success.

lots of good guys have arrived here taking responsibility for their own community

Police are still holding back, but moving a bit closer.

Reporters on the scene talking to a few good fellows . . .

it's calmed down a bit . . . kudos to these young folk making the effort

group of young men protecting the liquor store with hands up . . .

[Uncle Joe]

16. Thanks for the updates, bigtree. n/t

[bigtree]

18. we need to get the truth out Joe

. . .because we know it can be misrepresented..

I like what I'm seeing this moment . . .

Hats off to Alderman Antonio French who rushed back to the scene and was a one man army working to regain order among the growing crowd facing off against the row of riot police. Heroic effort from a lot of responsible citizens . . .

[bigtree]

17. Most of crowd has dispersed

. . .police showing a lot of restraint

Good move, because the majority of folks here are peaceful and don't approve of any of the nonsense that just occurred

This is a good community with a lot of caring young adults

"These are not protestors looting,," says a woman talking to the camera . . . these are outsiders looking for trouble - provocateurs, as someone wrote above, waiting for the opportunity to jump in and blow it up

They want folks looking in to know that these aren't protestors making trouble.

This looks more like the community we saw earlier in the evening, right now. responsible young folks drifting back in to reassert themselves on the scene and reestablish their intention to stage a peaceful demonstration.

Despite the chaos we just witnessed, this is still a responsible demonstration . . .

[Uncle Joe]

19. That's good news on all sides.

Kudos to Alderman Antonio French and the young people that defended the stores and good on the police for showing some restraint.

[bigtree]

20. a great deal to feel proud of there

. . . an amazing community of young people who care about their town enough to defend it with their own persons

Kudos to the police who have yet to advance all of the way. No gas, no smoke . . . big change.

[tblue37]

21. Apparently two looters who are WHITE males are there threatening reporters.

This is Wesley Lowery's tweet:

Wesley Lowery ✔ @WesleyLowery
There are literally two while makes, with covered faces, threatening reporters

("while makes" is obviously a hurried typo for "white males.&quot

[Uncle Joe]

22. I would be curious to know where they live?

Did they truck in from the outside just to start trouble?

[tblue37]

23. Probably. nt

[pinboy3niner]

24. CNN reporting "the important thing" was community members protecting the stores