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Mother of policeman who shot dead Michael Brown was 'a serial con artist who defrauded thousands of dollars from neighbors in stolen credit card scheme'
It appears the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.
Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.
At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.
Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html#ixzz3AamnZ2mq
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rudolph the red
(666 posts)he must be a racist murderer.
FarPoint
(14,763 posts)Wilson is a racist murderer who disgraces the uniform of LEO's across the nation.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)we don't have any facts. If you have already served as his judge and jury then good for you.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Oh wait.....
No, there are actually plenty of facts out there, not the least of which, we have an unarmed 18 yo who was shot and killed while on his knees and with his hands up in the air.
Fact.
There is no mitigating fact that would justify this act. None.
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Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)CatWoman
(80,288 posts)rudolph the red
(666 posts)and resort to deadly force. I am not saying that that is what happened because I do not have all the facts yet. Many on this site have already found the officer guilty and are ready to move to the penalty phase.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The only time the standard of "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" applies is in the jury box and behind the bench.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)You, and anyone else are free to form and express any and all opinions.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It is my opinion that the cop is a first degree murderer and should pay the highest penalty possible in Missouri for that crime.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)there would have to be some pretty extraordinary actions taken by Michael Brown to justify the shooting.
kcr
(15,522 posts)I didn't know that. I wish someone had told me.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)On DU I have learned that he was shot while running away.
Now I hear he was on his knees.
Which is true?
Either? Neither?
WillowTree
(5,350 posts)But sooooo many people think they know what "really" happened. Pretty amazing, but not unusual. People's emotions get stoked and they're all more than willing to believe whatever fits their perspective, regardless of whether or not there are demonstrable facts to support it.
WillowTree
(5,350 posts)Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)It may have happened exactly that way, but it might not have. Why do you claim that it is a fact?
FarPoint
(14,763 posts)Iggo
(49,927 posts)Um.
Bullshit?
1monster
(11,045 posts)when the young man was gunned down. I don't know that the LEO who MURDERED the kid is a racist, although I do suspect it; but the witnesses were more highly credible than anything that has come the from Ferguson and St. Louis PDs.
We have the facts. We know plenty enough to know that this was premeditated murder. Anyone else would be in jail awaiting arraignment and trial.
Cha
(319,067 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Response to rudolph the red (Reply #1)
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TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)As the victim's alleged strlngzarm robbery...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)worked hard to get her son through high school and into college.
She wasn't busy scamming people out of their hard earned money.
So we have a couple of facts right there.
FarPoint
(14,763 posts)He should come clean...he chooses to hide and let others lie and cover for him.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)This article is BS character assassination through guilt by association. What this mother did has nothing to do with this officer. It would be wrong to connect Michael Brown to his family or friends as well. Let's be consistent folks. Maybe this officer became a cop because he was appalled at his mother. Either way it's irrelevant. We need to stop the police from murdering, assaulting and trampling privacy but stupid articles like this aren't the way and are unfair in their own right.
FarPoint
(14,763 posts)We see where he gets his family values now. Works for me.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I don't judge by association. You also have no idea how he was raised or if his mother raised him or at what age she gave birth. This is just like saying Michael Browns shoplifting is relevant. Stop giving us a bad name and dragging the guys mother into this.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)4b5f940728b232b034e4
(120 posts)How can it have nothing to do? It shows both what kind of person he is physically and the type of instruction he received as a child. It's both nature and nurture that drove him to kill.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Too many holes in that prejudiced argument to even bother responding.
Arrowood
(29 posts)Yes, Godwin applies but lordy that is ignorant.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I think the officer wildly overreacted and the militarized response to media and peaceful protesters should land people in jail but -- datum! -- your line of argument is beyond ridiculous.
earthside
(6,960 posts)It is genetics; it is the way they live .... they can't help who they are.
That reasoning must be rejected absolutely.
What this fellow's mother did or did not do has nothing to do with the alleged crime.
Just as Michael Brown ought not be found guilty on the court--public-opinion because of a shoplifting allegation, neigh can the police officer be found guilty because of anything his mother reportedly did.
840high
(17,196 posts)to it. I expect better on DU.
Ms. Toad
(38,634 posts)defacto7
(14,162 posts)An association fallacy of the type inductive informal fallacy. This type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃x ∈ S : φ|x)) → (∀x ∈ S : φ|x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true."
Just because his mother was a crook doesn't make him one. A person's guilt or innocents has to stand on it's own merits. Maybe he became a cop to make up for his feelings of guilt over his mother's crimes? In any case, he seems to have failed to fulfil his responsibility to protect the public, but that has no more to do with his mother than his brand of toothpaste.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)people (and other names I won't mention). Also note that even if he stole a box of cigars, or a warehouse full of cigars, that does not provide an iota of support for his summary execution any more than if he used the wrong brand of toothpaste.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)This "stain is in the blood" thinking is dangerous and offensive.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What happens to DU when there is any kind of racial incident?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Problem is, seeing a parent pull this sort of shit and having that parent out of their life so early, there's no predicting the effect on the child as it will differ uniquely for every child in such a situation.
HipChick
(25,612 posts)for crimes of a few..going back a few centuries
DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)It's therefore okay to mimic such idiotic thinking on DU?
CatWoman
(80,288 posts)there's so much idiocy to go around..........
DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)CatWoman
(80,288 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Chemisse
(31,343 posts)I feel this kind of smear is beneath us.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Crazy days here.
JI7
(93,615 posts)that is doing the smearing .
840high
(17,196 posts)object when it's done to us.
Marr
(20,317 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)enough
(13,759 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)though.
Chemisse
(31,343 posts)Nobody should be smeared over something their dead mother used to do - not even a trigger-happy cop.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)to feel validated.
Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The answer would be not at all.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Even when it's not a family member.
The way people bring up black on black crime anytime something bad happens to a black person
DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)it's not equal to those who RESPOND to those attacks.
Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)people will respond .
if the entire police dept, media whores and racists weren't doing the same it might be one thing.
but i have no problem bringing it up in this case.
Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)mainly they are doing the black thug thing. because black guys are all dangerous and so the cop was justified in shooting him dead even if he was not armed.
Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)than what racists approve of.
Logical
(22,457 posts)What the fuck does his mom have to do with it??? Simple fucking question.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)ecstatic
(35,075 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)It is the end of any semblance reasonable ethical thinking. You clearly haven't the faintest understanding of what a moral position actually IS.
I didn't think so, actually, in your case. You haven't surprised me, particularly.
JI7
(93,615 posts)over what people say on the internet against people who actually commit murder and cover for the killers.
malaise
(296,084 posts)precisely What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Chemisse
(31,343 posts)How can we complain about the smearing of the reputations of murdered black boys if we do the exact same thing to a different target?
JI7
(93,615 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't, either way.
JI7
(93,615 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)And no excuse.
greytdemocrat
(3,300 posts)CatWoman
(80,288 posts)my thing is, if you don't like a story and/or thread, stay away from it and keep your snark to yourself.
I personally find this information curious. He learned his filth from someone.
Arrowood
(29 posts)Any inherited proclivity towards criminal acts.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Always so accurate.
CatWoman
(80,288 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)but the recent Bristol Palin is broke story tickled the shit out of me.
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Enrique
(27,461 posts)Not a big deal, just a little goofy.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The cops declared character assassination first.
JI7
(93,615 posts)the outrage over this being done to this cop has been more than what happened with brown.
the outrage over this is more than the outrage over him being killed .
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Should we go kill the cop right now? No.
Should you steal from someone who steals from you? No.
Should you rape someone who rapes you? No.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)If his mother was a crook justice demands his jailing. JUSTICE.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Well done.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But, then, we've come to expect no less from the Daily Fail.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Really? All right. His mother might be a creep, and it appears by his actions, that he is, too. But we don't need to go full on tabloid like this. It serves no good purpose.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)during the Duke case.
Same thing.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)eppur_se_muova
(41,938 posts)The story re his mother may be interesting, but it tells us nothing about him. Many people react to their upbringing by trying to become everything their parents were -- others by becoming everything their parents were not.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But it does tell us about the OP.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Defend it how you like, but just like Michael Browns past actions had no bearing on his murder, so did the actions of the police's mother.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)CatWoman
(80,288 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)IOW, we have a bunch of Americans who are prepared to say that children of felons are disqualified from being police officers.
Maybe we should poll them about the eligibility of grandchildren.
I hope this isn't what they really believe, and is just a reflection of their outrage at the killing.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)probably more struck by the irony of it all. Obviously, they couldn't not prevent him from becoming a cop. If they could, MB would be alive right now.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In the linked article, one of the scam victims in the neighborhood was quoted directly:
That struck me as going beyond an observation of irony. You say it's obvious that they couldn't prevent him from becoming a cop (I take your double negative as an inadvertent error), and I agree with you that they couldn't, but it appears that what's obvious to us isn't obvious to everyone.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)exboyfil
(18,359 posts)Both my parents are drunks. What my parents are or do says nothing about my character.
840high
(17,196 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)OP has been here since 2001 and has no hides in 90 days. If you think it is sleazy then alert.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,847 posts)I do get your line of thinking though.
Logical
(22,457 posts)If Michaels mom would of been a con artist would it have mattered? Fuck no!!
Why bring his mom into this? It has NOTHING to do with anything!
We look like idiots when we do this.
Self delete this POS!
CatWoman
(80,288 posts)this is MY thread.
don't like it?
exit stage right.
there is more outrage at you posting this than a dead teen who wasn't armed.
CatWoman
(80,288 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Arrowood
(29 posts)... and absolutely nothing about the policeman.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Let's go to the big board and get the final tally of people who made the following claim...
"Poorly made internet ramblings are worse than shooting a guy"
Survey says!


bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Welcome to DU!
Logical
(22,457 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)You can't go the other way on smearing the people involved, as fun as it might be. The only thing that matters is that hands up was met with gunfire.
starroute
(12,977 posts)This is not meant as a smear -- but I know from doing genealogy that certain branches of a family will be rock solid for generation after generation while others will be continually beset by problems. It's possible to escape from that sort of turbulence, just as it's possible to escape from poverty, but it's a handicap. And if we're trying to understand how a young police officer with an apparently promising career could throw it away in a thoughtless moment, his background may be very relevant.
Here are the Find-a-Grave listings for Darren Wilson's mother and grandmother. His mother was married three times, had children by two of those marriages, and died when Darren was about 16. Her own mother had died when she was eight.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11754035
Tonya Dee Dean Durso
Birth: Nov. 22, 1966
Death: Nov. 18, 2002
Dear wife of Dan Durso; dear daughter of William and the late Jacqueline Dean; dear stepdaughter of Madeline Dean; dear mother of Darren D. and Kara M. Wilson, and Jared Harris; dear sister of Joe and Debbie; dear step-sister of Steve and Lisa.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=dean&GSfn=jacqueline&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=43956024&df=all&
Jacqueline Abel "Jackie" Dean
Birth: Oct. 17, 1935
Death: Mar. 22, 1975
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)But I will say this. People (including myself) are tired of corpses being indicted and tried with no option to self-defend. I view it as a "taste of your own medicine" reaction.
Ferguson PD really fucked up, simply and crassly put.
ETA: Catwoman... I understand where you're coming from and I throw no shade on you. Peace Sis.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)'taste of your own medicine' reaction - exactly.
JI7
(93,615 posts)but not in this case.
Ms. Toad
(38,634 posts)We should be better, and less hypocritical than that here.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ecstatic
(35,075 posts)And not just for spiteful reasons. It provides a little context. Darren Wilson is a murderer and criminal, just like his mom.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,634 posts)Prior bad acts, even prior bad acts by Wilson himself, are not admissible to prove he acted this time in a manner consistent with those acts. Here you are not even talking about his own prior bad acts - you are talking about someone else's.
It is just as much spite and character assassination as the police releasing the robbery allegations was - the purpose is to bolster the case against Wilson by smearing his mother. In some ways it is even worse, since we're not just digging up dirt on Wilson, we're going after his entire family. And we should be better than that.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Michael Brown, not so much.
These cops are trying to convict a dead person, a person the cop murdered, through innuendo and crass accusations.
The cop's mother, at least had her day in court. Her son denied that same right to Michael Brown.
Ms. Toad
(38,634 posts)and whatever punishment was meted out for that is long over. She does not deserve to be further humiliated for actions that she did not take.
Just because the Ferguson police department is acting badly does not give us license to do the same.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)because we just have to "mind our manners."
Sorry, when you opponent gets down in the gutter, you damned well better be prepared to brawl it out or lose and be called a coward. You can't take a knife to a gunfight and win.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)the metaphor mix...
Ms. Toad
(38,634 posts)is that you turn into the filthy, slimy, mess you abhor.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It is just as bad as people digging up information on Micheal Brown's family (which I'm sure is happening on the RW sites).
notgoinback
(39 posts)After all, the actor's father is serving a life sentence for murdering a judge.
JI7
(93,615 posts)the comparison would work better .
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:11 AM - Edit history (1)
Did you like it when they showed the convenience store video for no reason other than an obvious attempt at character assassination of Mike Brown? I doubt it.
What you are doing is no better than what the FPD did, and I can tell you that was a lousy thing to do.
As an aside, I keep seeing Daily Mail as a link on so many stories about Ferguson. That's kind of weird. I've always seen people posting that the Daily Mail is not to be taken seriously.
JI7
(93,615 posts)their own shot and killed.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The killer's mother has nothing to do with this.
This is what happens when you let emotions get the better of you. You do stupid shit.
JI7
(93,615 posts)who is doing it to the dead guy.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Should we only be as good as the police dept? Is that your standard of what kind of human beings we should all be?
JI7
(93,615 posts)posting on the internet.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Period.
Tossing aside one's principles just because someone else has done it and you want revenge is not very mature or honorable. It is no better than the behavior you are attempting to avenge because it is the same thing.
Your defense is basically that of elementary school children when they say "s/he started it".
JI7
(93,615 posts)thing at all.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)integrity.
So you think because someone else does something bad it gives you moral grounds to do whatever you want, to toss aside maturity and principles.
Perhaps we should look into your mother's history and see why she raised you to think this way. Since you think that's an okay thing to do you wouldn't mind, would you?
JI7
(93,615 posts)being trashed in this case.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I'm saying, just because the FPD is doing it to Mike Brown (Dead Person), does not make it right to do the same sort of character assassination/guilt by association to the cop who killed him.
Like I said, your defense is simply "s/he started it, so there". You are saying that one need not hold onto their own standards/principles/morals if someone else doesn't. That's very immature and shows a lack of integrity. Period. End of story.
JI7
(93,615 posts)thing at all.
HipChick
(25,612 posts)for decades, go to a mall..groups of young black men are singled out, followed around stores...because of racist perceptions....
Wilson should get a taste of what he executed in his decision making
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I am well aware of racism and speak out about it here and elsewhere.
Doesn't justify the OP or similar behavior.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)or random pictures of Michael Brown. The only thing that is relevant is what happened at the time of the shooting.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)defacto7
(14,162 posts)we're all damned.
Arrowood
(29 posts)All angels... all the way back to cavemen.
What are the odds? We should consider ourselves lucky to be in the presence of one so flawless.
Enthusiast
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Can I use one of them to attack you?
I have all kinds of questionable characters and bad actors across my family.
But that ain't me
KG
(28,795 posts)and wherever he laid his hat was his home
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bonx
(2,353 posts)MineralMan
(151,259 posts)I cannot imagine what the relevance of this might be to anything at all.
Turbineguy
(40,068 posts)became cops because of the Bush Economic Miracle. A job with a bit of security.
booley
(3,855 posts)My best friend is a really decent guy.. from a family of really horrible people.
So first it doesn't' prove anything.
and second I don't' see what this has to do with the case. The mother didn't' shoot Michael Brown. Brown was shot, not defrauded out of money.
Seriously, how can we get upset at char assassinations of people like Brown or Martin or numerous others..
and then do it ourselves?
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I can take that into consideration when reading the article. i like to read it all!!
Apparently the neighbors think Michael Brown must be bad because the mother was (which is interesting) as well thus the shock at him becoming a cop. I guess that mindset is common all around.
Marr
(20,317 posts)on the left, or someone with whom you agree.
That's one of the problems with sinking to the level of the worst people on the other side.
Spot on.