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CatWoman

(80,288 posts)
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:21 PM Aug 2014

Mother of policeman who shot dead Michael Brown was 'a serial con artist

Mother of policeman who shot dead Michael Brown was 'a serial con artist who defrauded thousands of dollars from neighbors in stolen credit card scheme'
It appears the apple didn't fall far from the tree.


Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilson’s mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html#ixzz3AamnZ2mq
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Mother of policeman who shot dead Michael Brown was 'a serial con artist (Original Post) CatWoman Aug 2014 OP
Well, there ya go rudolph the red Aug 2014 #1
Let me help you... FarPoint Aug 2014 #3
Or maybe not. rudolph the red Aug 2014 #7
You left out executioner. Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #20
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #24
What does that even mean? Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #27
it means he fancies him/herself a victim. CatWoman Aug 2014 #29
It means that a officer can be attacked by an unarmed person rudolph the red Aug 2014 #35
A citizen is competely in their rights to determine guilt or innocence of any person in any case. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #38
I will not argue that at all. rudolph the red Aug 2014 #40
Cool. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #43
I agree that it looks pretty damning for him, rudolph the red Aug 2014 #48
DUers can hand down sentences? Wow kcr Aug 2014 #51
You know what I meant rudolph the red Aug 2014 #53
Yep, I do n/t kcr Aug 2014 #58
I'm confused cwydro Aug 2014 #46
Yeah. And I've heard he was shot either 3 or 7 or 9 times. WillowTree Aug 2014 #67
OOPS! Just now saw someone else say it was 8. WillowTree Aug 2014 #70
Why do you say it's a fact that he was shot on his knees with his hands up in the air? Captain Stern Aug 2014 #87
None at all. FarPoint Aug 2014 #167
We don't have any facts? Iggo Aug 2014 #92
I've heard two of the witnesses, one his friend and one who didn't know him, tell what they saw 1monster Aug 2014 #94
Hey rudolph.. it was Darren Wilson who served as Judge, Jury, and Executioner. nm Cha Aug 2014 #103
Painfully obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #162
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #79
The murdering cops scam artist mother is as irrelevant TheDebbieDee Aug 2014 #124
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Aug 2014 #178
He's definitely a killer. Someone lost a son that day. And that teenager's mother sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #129
Well, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. FarPoint Aug 2014 #2
Horrible Article billhicks76 Aug 2014 #18
Well...we do know what he did.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #19
Difference Between You And Me billhicks76 Aug 2014 #42
Preeee-cisely. AzDar Aug 2014 #64
You don't believe in genetics? 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #68
Ignorance billhicks76 Aug 2014 #74
That is the same argument some folks in Germany made in 40s. Arrowood Aug 2014 #93
I wonder what's hanging in your family tree? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #165
That is the racist philosophy-right there. earthside Aug 2014 #177
Agree. You beat me 840high Aug 2014 #76
My reaction, as well. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #98
Logical fallacy. n/t defacto7 Aug 2014 #157
Good. Be sure to note that the benefit of that reasoning extends to set B commonly called black GoneFishin Aug 2014 #176
spot on. n/t defacto7 Aug 2014 #191
He is not responsible for his mother's crimes DavidDvorkin Aug 2014 #4
I know...sheesh cwydro Aug 2014 #6
Reading the article, his mother performed these acts in his formative years. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #10
Black people are stereotyped all the time HipChick Aug 2014 #13
And? DavidDvorkin Aug 2014 #16
why not? CatWoman Aug 2014 #31
Therefore we should add to it? DavidDvorkin Aug 2014 #34
I guess I'm stuck on that goose/gander thing CatWoman Aug 2014 #89
Maybe getting unstuck would be good. nt sibelian Aug 2014 #152
*bam* CatWoman Aug 2014 #23
This is the kind of things Republicans would say to discredit someone. Chemisse Aug 2014 #17
Thank you for a breath of reason on this site. cwydro Aug 2014 #47
no, when the dead victim is being smeared it's not beneath anyone to respond to the person JI7 Aug 2014 #65
Wonder if this poster will 840high Aug 2014 #97
Agreed. /nt Marr Aug 2014 #182
Agree! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #45
Truly. (nt) enough Aug 2014 #75
Yup. Agschmid Aug 2014 #136
No, he's not. We know him by his actions. Doesn't help to sweep his mother's history under the rug Cha Aug 2014 #154
How is this at all relevant? Chemisse Aug 2014 #5
Because it is fun for all the finger pointers cwydro Aug 2014 #8
Point. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2014 #9
Other than as an interest story because of the infamy of the cop? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #11
it's done to people of color all the time JI7 Aug 2014 #22
So we should mimic that idiocy of racist idiots? DavidDvorkin Aug 2014 #32
in a case where the dead victim is being treated that way, yes it's ok to do the same to the killer JI7 Aug 2014 #50
No. It's vile in all cases. DavidDvorkin Aug 2014 #61
no, it's not equal . when it's the cop and his buddies who are smearing the person he killed JI7 Aug 2014 #63
Yes it is vile. His fucking mother has NOTHING to do with anything! nt Logical Aug 2014 #84
doesn't matter, when one side is smearing the other side with BS JI7 Aug 2014 #86
Let's check in to michaels mom too then! nt Logical Aug 2014 #104
he is already being smeared in other ways by the cops JI7 Aug 2014 #108
We look so fucking stupid bringing up the cops mother. Brilliant! nt Logical Aug 2014 #109
there is no "we" here. i'm more concerned about innocent black teen being shot to death JI7 Aug 2014 #110
What are you talking about? Everyone here thinks the cop is a murderer.... Logical Aug 2014 #112
what does the video of the store have to do with it? JI7 Aug 2014 #114
NOTHING, just like the cops mom did not shoot him! nt Logical Aug 2014 #115
so the cop should come out against the trashing of hte person he killed JI7 Aug 2014 #121
WTF are you talking about? Done with your coveluted mess of posts! nt Logical Aug 2014 #125
you don't know that this cop killed an unarmed black man ? JI7 Aug 2014 #126
I agree. +1. nt ecstatic Aug 2014 #116
Okay. That's the end, isn't it? sibelian Aug 2014 #153
yeah, yeah, i'm not surprised by some others either as they love to feel superior JI7 Aug 2014 #155
And that is the point malaise Aug 2014 #57
If it is wrong for one group (racists), it's wrong for others. Chemisse Aug 2014 #60
not in this case where it involves the officer who did the killing and the dead victim being smeared JI7 Aug 2014 #62
And do you think that's ok? Marr Aug 2014 #183
not if the op was a cop JI7 Aug 2014 #187
+1 HuckleB Aug 2014 #41
Exactly! The guilt or not does not have anything to do with his mother IMO. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #49
His mother is irrelevant. Totally. Same smear tactic, same wrong. djean111 Aug 2014 #12
Yeah...So??? greytdemocrat Aug 2014 #14
it garnered a post from you CatWoman Aug 2014 #28
Next they'll be examining the bumps on his head to determine... Arrowood Aug 2014 #96
The Daily Mail. pintobean Aug 2014 #15
did you say that on the Daily Mail thread that shows a picture of the policeman? CatWoman Aug 2014 #25
Didn't see it pintobean Aug 2014 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #150
they are also insightful Enrique Aug 2014 #26
This has the same relevance to the shooting as the events in the convenience store. (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #21
Cahracter assassinations can go both ways, AND SHOULD. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #44
exactly, but it's something to take note of JI7 Aug 2014 #55
No, should NOT. It's just as disgusting no matter who does it or why. cui bono Aug 2014 #133
Like you, I have considered the ban on taint of blood complete bullshit. AngryAmish Aug 2014 #30
You win POST OF THE WEEK! HuckleB Aug 2014 #39
Wow, that's some powerful investigative journalism, right there. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #33
Ah, beat me too it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #37
The Daily Fail? HuckleB Aug 2014 #36
Go back and read the feeding frenzy on DU cwydro Aug 2014 #52
I don't doubt it. -eom- HuckleB Aug 2014 #56
Sorry, no corruption of blood has legal force -- check the Constitution. eppur_se_muova Aug 2014 #59
Truly. cwydro Aug 2014 #71
Funny that we love smear tactics when they are used against people we don't like. Lancero Aug 2014 #66
you should just self delete this Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #69
no CatWoman Aug 2014 #85
This story is notable only for the reaction to it. Jim Lane Aug 2014 #72
Um, the quote doesn't say that. It only says that they were stunned, ecstatic Aug 2014 #117
I interpreted it differently Jim Lane Aug 2014 #159
So this is why he shot Michael Brown? bigwillq Aug 2014 #73
Unrec. - sleazy post. 840high Aug 2014 #77
Should this thread even exist exboyfil Aug 2014 #78
No. Should be deleted. 840high Aug 2014 #80
Alert if you feel so strongly HangOnKids Aug 2014 #82
Both my parents were saints. That's why I am one DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #100
WTF is wrong with you? Logical Aug 2014 #81
and wtf is wrong with YOU???????????????? CatWoman Aug 2014 #88
yup JI7 Aug 2014 #90
to hell with them AND their "outrage" CatWoman Aug 2014 #95
No there is not. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #132
It just says a lot about you... Arrowood Aug 2014 #99
yes, catwoman posting this is so much worse than shooting and killing an unarmed person JI7 Aug 2014 #106
Lol, who the fuck is defending the cop? WHO? nt Logical Aug 2014 #111
the cops and many others JI7 Aug 2014 #122
You have seriously lost the plot several times in this thread. cui bono Aug 2014 #135
Let see... Arrowood Aug 2014 #161
Hello bigwillq Aug 2014 #113
Or call you out.....I think I will stick with that! nt Logical Aug 2014 #105
Interesting but GitRDun Aug 2014 #83
It does look like a troubled family, though starroute Aug 2014 #91
i personally dont agree with this Quayblue Aug 2014 #101
I agree with your post laundry_queen Aug 2014 #120
exactly, if the fucking cops were not trashing the dead victim and not lying it might be different JI7 Aug 2014 #123
Way to go - mimic the vile things the other side is doing. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #102
+1000 nt Logical Aug 2014 #107
I don't know. I think it is relevant. ecstatic Aug 2014 #118
His mom merdered someone also? nt Logical Aug 2014 #127
In a court of law, you would be wrong. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #171
At least the cop is still alive to defend himself Glitterati Aug 2014 #119
The cop's mother had her day in court - Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #170
And this is always why we lose Glitterati Aug 2014 #175
Someone's been at cwydro Aug 2014 #179
The only thing that happens when you crawl in the gutter Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #190
There has been a lot of misinformation from different sources & it isn't even relevant to the issue davidpdx Aug 2014 #128
Do you consider Woody Harrelson a criminal? notgoinback Aug 2014 #130
if Woody harrelson shot and killed someone and was trashing the dead person JI7 Aug 2014 #131
Why are you instigating character assassination? That's just plain wrong. cui bono Aug 2014 #134
catwoman posting on an internet board is not the same as a police dept trashing a person one of JI7 Aug 2014 #137
It's character assassination and it should be beneath those who post on DU. cui bono Aug 2014 #138
maybe the cop should call for it to end starting with his own police dept JI7 Aug 2014 #140
Maybe. And maybe Catwoman should self-delete this OP. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #141
perhaps she will when the police dept stops trashing the dead person JI7 Aug 2014 #142
Why should it rely on that? cui bono Aug 2014 #143
the police dept should be held to a far higher standard than some private individual JI7 Aug 2014 #144
Yes, so do that. Still doesn't excuse someone acting the same way the FPD is acting. cui bono Aug 2014 #145
it's not like she killed anyone or is covering up for someone who did so , so it's not the same JI7 Aug 2014 #146
We're not talking about the killing. We're talking about the character assassination and cui bono Aug 2014 #148
i don't believe in the "both sides do it" bs while ignoring the main thing which is a Dead Person JI7 Aug 2014 #149
We're not ignoring it, it is an active part of this discussion. cui bono Aug 2014 #151
what an official police dept does/says and what someone posts on the internet is not the same JI7 Aug 2014 #156
Stereotype much? Because that's how we got here.. HipChick Aug 2014 #168
Stereotype? What are you talking about? Where did I do that? cui bono Aug 2014 #186
This is no more relevant than the convenience store incident BainsBane Aug 2014 #139
Why do we have to get our news from the UK? Why are US corporate media worthless? Faryn Balyncd Aug 2014 #147
People mock the UK Daily Mail, but I find it way more informative than my paper. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #164
If there is anything logical in this defacto7 Aug 2014 #158
Maybe OP comes from the one pure bloodline in all of humanity.... Arrowood Aug 2014 #169
Wilson, the weasel. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #160
And maybe his father was a gamblin' man. Irrelevant. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #163
What's your family like? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #166
and his papa was a rolling stone. KG Aug 2014 #172
I don't understand how tabloid-gossip is relevant. Sunlei Aug 2014 #173
It's not. This thread is stupid. Bonx Aug 2014 #189
Sins of the mother? Really? MineralMan Aug 2014 #174
It could be that some policemen Turbineguy Aug 2014 #180
Is this actually relevant? booley Aug 2014 #181
eh. personally i am indifferent that Daily Mail is the UK version of the NY Post. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #184
Now you can't really complain the next time this gross tactic is used against someone Marr Aug 2014 #185
Yep. cwydro Aug 2014 #188

FarPoint

(14,763 posts)
3. Let me help you...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:25 PM
Aug 2014

Wilson is a racist murderer who disgraces the uniform of LEO's across the nation.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
7. Or maybe not.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

we don't have any facts. If you have already served as his judge and jury then good for you.

Bobbie Jo

(14,344 posts)
20. You left out executioner.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:43 PM
Aug 2014

Oh wait.....

No, there are actually plenty of facts out there, not the least of which, we have an unarmed 18 yo who was shot and killed while on his knees and with his hands up in the air.

Fact.

There is no mitigating fact that would justify this act. None.

Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #20)

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
35. It means that a officer can be attacked by an unarmed person
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:53 PM
Aug 2014

and resort to deadly force. I am not saying that that is what happened because I do not have all the facts yet. Many on this site have already found the officer guilty and are ready to move to the penalty phase.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
38. A citizen is competely in their rights to determine guilt or innocence of any person in any case.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

The only time the standard of "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" applies is in the jury box and behind the bench.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
40. I will not argue that at all.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:56 PM
Aug 2014

You, and anyone else are free to form and express any and all opinions.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
43. Cool.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:58 PM
Aug 2014

It is my opinion that the cop is a first degree murderer and should pay the highest penalty possible in Missouri for that crime.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
48. I agree that it looks pretty damning for him,
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:03 PM
Aug 2014

there would have to be some pretty extraordinary actions taken by Michael Brown to justify the shooting.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
46. I'm confused
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:01 PM
Aug 2014

On DU I have learned that he was shot while running away.

Now I hear he was on his knees.

Which is true?

Either? Neither?

WillowTree

(5,350 posts)
67. Yeah. And I've heard he was shot either 3 or 7 or 9 times.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:41 PM
Aug 2014

But sooooo many people think they know what "really" happened. Pretty amazing, but not unusual. People's emotions get stoked and they're all more than willing to believe whatever fits their perspective, regardless of whether or not there are demonstrable facts to support it.

Captain Stern

(2,253 posts)
87. Why do you say it's a fact that he was shot on his knees with his hands up in the air?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:41 PM
Aug 2014

It may have happened exactly that way, but it might not have. Why do you claim that it is a fact?

1monster

(11,045 posts)
94. I've heard two of the witnesses, one his friend and one who didn't know him, tell what they saw
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:05 PM
Aug 2014

when the young man was gunned down. I don't know that the LEO who MURDERED the kid is a racist, although I do suspect it; but the witnesses were more highly credible than anything that has come the from Ferguson and St. Louis PDs.

We have the facts. We know plenty enough to know that this was premeditated murder. Anyone else would be in jail awaiting arraignment and trial.

Response to rudolph the red (Reply #1)

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
124. The murdering cops scam artist mother is as irrelevant
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:15 AM
Aug 2014

As the victim's alleged strlngzarm robbery...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
129. He's definitely a killer. Someone lost a son that day. And that teenager's mother
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:28 AM
Aug 2014

worked hard to get her son through high school and into college.

She wasn't busy scamming people out of their hard earned money.

So we have a couple of facts right there.

FarPoint

(14,763 posts)
2. Well, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:24 PM
Aug 2014

He should come clean...he chooses to hide and let others lie and cover for him.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
18. Horrible Article
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:40 PM
Aug 2014

This article is BS character assassination through guilt by association. What this mother did has nothing to do with this officer. It would be wrong to connect Michael Brown to his family or friends as well. Let's be consistent folks. Maybe this officer became a cop because he was appalled at his mother. Either way it's irrelevant. We need to stop the police from murdering, assaulting and trampling privacy but stupid articles like this aren't the way and are unfair in their own right.

FarPoint

(14,763 posts)
19. Well...we do know what he did....
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:42 PM
Aug 2014

We see where he gets his family values now. Works for me.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
42. Difference Between You And Me
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:57 PM
Aug 2014

I don't judge by association. You also have no idea how he was raised or if his mother raised him or at what age she gave birth. This is just like saying Michael Browns shoplifting is relevant. Stop giving us a bad name and dragging the guys mother into this.

 
68. You don't believe in genetics?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:41 PM
Aug 2014

How can it have nothing to do? It shows both what kind of person he is physically and the type of instruction he received as a child. It's both nature and nurture that drove him to kill.

 

Arrowood

(29 posts)
93. That is the same argument some folks in Germany made in 40s.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:58 PM
Aug 2014

Yes, Godwin applies but lordy that is ignorant.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
165. I wonder what's hanging in your family tree?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:04 AM
Aug 2014

I think the officer wildly overreacted and the militarized response to media and peaceful protesters should land people in jail but -- datum! -- your line of argument is beyond ridiculous.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
177. That is the racist philosophy-right there.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Aug 2014

It is genetics; it is the way they live .... they can't help who they are.

That reasoning must be rejected absolutely.

What this fellow's mother did or did not do has nothing to do with the alleged crime.

Just as Michael Brown ought not be found guilty on the court--public-opinion because of a shoplifting allegation, neigh can the police officer be found guilty because of anything his mother reportedly did.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
157. Logical fallacy. n/t
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:15 AM
Aug 2014

An association fallacy of the type inductive informal fallacy. This type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃x ∈ S : φ|x)) → (∀x ∈ S : φ|x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true."

Just because his mother was a crook doesn't make him one. A person's guilt or innocents has to stand on it's own merits. Maybe he became a cop to make up for his feelings of guilt over his mother's crimes? In any case, he seems to have failed to fulfil his responsibility to protect the public, but that has no more to do with his mother than his brand of toothpaste.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
176. Good. Be sure to note that the benefit of that reasoning extends to set B commonly called black
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Aug 2014

people (and other names I won't mention). Also note that even if he stole a box of cigars, or a warehouse full of cigars, that does not provide an iota of support for his summary execution any more than if he used the wrong brand of toothpaste.

DavidDvorkin

(20,589 posts)
4. He is not responsible for his mother's crimes
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:26 PM
Aug 2014

This "stain is in the blood" thinking is dangerous and offensive.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Reading the article, his mother performed these acts in his formative years.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

Problem is, seeing a parent pull this sort of shit and having that parent out of their life so early, there's no predicting the effect on the child as it will differ uniquely for every child in such a situation.

HipChick

(25,612 posts)
13. Black people are stereotyped all the time
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:32 PM
Aug 2014

for crimes of a few..going back a few centuries

Chemisse

(31,343 posts)
17. This is the kind of things Republicans would say to discredit someone.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:37 PM
Aug 2014

I feel this kind of smear is beneath us.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
65. no, when the dead victim is being smeared it's not beneath anyone to respond to the person
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:26 PM
Aug 2014

that is doing the smearing .

Cha

(319,067 posts)
154. No, he's not. We know him by his actions. Doesn't help to sweep his mother's history under the rug
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:51 AM
Aug 2014

though.

Chemisse

(31,343 posts)
5. How is this at all relevant?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:27 PM
Aug 2014

Nobody should be smeared over something their dead mother used to do - not even a trigger-happy cop.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. Other than as an interest story because of the infamy of the cop?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

The answer would be not at all.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
22. it's done to people of color all the time
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:46 PM
Aug 2014

Even when it's not a family member.

The way people bring up black on black crime anytime something bad happens to a black person

JI7

(93,615 posts)
50. in a case where the dead victim is being treated that way, yes it's ok to do the same to the killer
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:04 PM
Aug 2014

JI7

(93,615 posts)
63. no, it's not equal . when it's the cop and his buddies who are smearing the person he killed
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:17 PM
Aug 2014

it's not equal to those who RESPOND to those attacks.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
86. doesn't matter, when one side is smearing the other side with BS
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:38 PM
Aug 2014

people will respond .

if the entire police dept, media whores and racists weren't doing the same it might be one thing.

but i have no problem bringing it up in this case.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
108. he is already being smeared in other ways by the cops
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:51 PM
Aug 2014

mainly they are doing the black thug thing. because black guys are all dangerous and so the cop was justified in shooting him dead even if he was not armed.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
110. there is no "we" here. i'm more concerned about innocent black teen being shot to death
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:56 PM
Aug 2014

than what racists approve of.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
112. What are you talking about? Everyone here thinks the cop is a murderer....
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:00 PM
Aug 2014

What the fuck does his mom have to do with it??? Simple fucking question.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
153. Okay. That's the end, isn't it?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:44 AM
Aug 2014

It is the end of any semblance reasonable ethical thinking. You clearly haven't the faintest understanding of what a moral position actually IS.

I didn't think so, actually, in your case. You haven't surprised me, particularly.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
155. yeah, yeah, i'm not surprised by some others either as they love to feel superior
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:52 AM
Aug 2014

over what people say on the internet against people who actually commit murder and cover for the killers.

malaise

(296,084 posts)
57. And that is the point
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

precisely What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Chemisse

(31,343 posts)
60. If it is wrong for one group (racists), it's wrong for others.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:13 PM
Aug 2014

How can we complain about the smearing of the reputations of murdered black boys if we do the exact same thing to a different target?

JI7

(93,615 posts)
62. not in this case where it involves the officer who did the killing and the dead victim being smeared
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:16 PM
Aug 2014

CatWoman

(80,288 posts)
28. it garnered a post from you
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:49 PM
Aug 2014

my thing is, if you don't like a story and/or thread, stay away from it and keep your snark to yourself.

I personally find this information curious. He learned his filth from someone.

 

Arrowood

(29 posts)
96. Next they'll be examining the bumps on his head to determine...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:14 PM
Aug 2014

Any inherited proclivity towards criminal acts.

Response to CatWoman (Reply #25)

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
26. they are also insightful
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:48 PM
Aug 2014
Wilson, who has a licence for hunting and for fishing, has a metal American flag in his front lawn and small couch sits on the porch suggesting that he likes to relax out the front of his house during the warm summer nights.

Not a big deal, just a little goofy.
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
44. Cahracter assassinations can go both ways, AND SHOULD.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:58 PM
Aug 2014

The cops declared character assassination first.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
55. exactly, but it's something to take note of
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:07 PM
Aug 2014

the outrage over this being done to this cop has been more than what happened with brown.

the outrage over this is more than the outrage over him being killed .

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
133. No, should NOT. It's just as disgusting no matter who does it or why.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:35 AM
Aug 2014

Should we go kill the cop right now? No.

Should you steal from someone who steals from you? No.

Should you rape someone who rapes you? No.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
30. Like you, I have considered the ban on taint of blood complete bullshit.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

If his mother was a crook justice demands his jailing. JUSTICE.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. Wow, that's some powerful investigative journalism, right there.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:52 PM
Aug 2014

But, then, we've come to expect no less from the Daily Fail.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
36. The Daily Fail?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

Really? All right. His mother might be a creep, and it appears by his actions, that he is, too. But we don't need to go full on tabloid like this. It serves no good purpose.

eppur_se_muova

(41,938 posts)
59. Sorry, no corruption of blood has legal force -- check the Constitution.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:11 PM
Aug 2014
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate.



The story re his mother may be interesting, but it tells us nothing about him. Many people react to their upbringing by trying to become everything their parents were -- others by becoming everything their parents were not.

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
66. Funny that we love smear tactics when they are used against people we don't like.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

Defend it how you like, but just like Michael Browns past actions had no bearing on his murder, so did the actions of the police's mother.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
72. This story is notable only for the reaction to it.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:48 PM
Aug 2014
Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.


IOW, we have a bunch of Americans who are prepared to say that children of felons are disqualified from being police officers.

Maybe we should poll them about the eligibility of grandchildren.

I hope this isn't what they really believe, and is just a reflection of their outrage at the killing.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
117. Um, the quote doesn't say that. It only says that they were stunned,
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:25 PM
Aug 2014

probably more struck by the irony of it all. Obviously, they couldn't not prevent him from becoming a cop. If they could, MB would be alive right now.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
159. I interpreted it differently
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:55 AM
Aug 2014

In the linked article, one of the scam victims in the neighborhood was quoted directly:

Finney added: ‘I’m surprised Wilson passed the background checks to become a policeman. People can change but that was a bad home. His mother was a serial conwoman’.


That struck me as going beyond an observation of irony. You say it's obvious that they couldn't prevent him from becoming a cop (I take your double negative as an inadvertent error), and I agree with you that they couldn't, but it appears that what's obvious to us isn't obvious to everyone.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
78. Should this thread even exist
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:01 PM
Aug 2014

Both my parents are drunks. What my parents are or do says nothing about my character.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
82. Alert if you feel so strongly
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

OP has been here since 2001 and has no hides in 90 days. If you think it is sleazy then alert.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
81. WTF is wrong with you?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

If Michaels mom would of been a con artist would it have mattered? Fuck no!!
Why bring his mom into this? It has NOTHING to do with anything!
We look like idiots when we do this.
Self delete this POS!

CatWoman

(80,288 posts)
88. and wtf is wrong with YOU????????????????
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:42 PM
Aug 2014

this is MY thread.

don't like it?

exit stage right.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
106. yes, catwoman posting this is so much worse than shooting and killing an unarmed person
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:49 PM
Aug 2014
 

Arrowood

(29 posts)
161. Let see...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:21 AM
Aug 2014

Let's go to the big board and get the final tally of people who made the following claim...

"Poorly made internet ramblings are worse than shooting a guy"

Survey says!


GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
83. Interesting but
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:34 PM
Aug 2014

You can't go the other way on smearing the people involved, as fun as it might be. The only thing that matters is that hands up was met with gunfire.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
91. It does look like a troubled family, though
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:49 PM
Aug 2014

This is not meant as a smear -- but I know from doing genealogy that certain branches of a family will be rock solid for generation after generation while others will be continually beset by problems. It's possible to escape from that sort of turbulence, just as it's possible to escape from poverty, but it's a handicap. And if we're trying to understand how a young police officer with an apparently promising career could throw it away in a thoughtless moment, his background may be very relevant.

Here are the Find-a-Grave listings for Darren Wilson's mother and grandmother. His mother was married three times, had children by two of those marriages, and died when Darren was about 16. Her own mother had died when she was eight.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11754035

Tonya Dee Dean Durso

Birth: Nov. 22, 1966
Death: Nov. 18, 2002

Dear wife of Dan Durso; dear daughter of William and the late Jacqueline Dean; dear stepdaughter of Madeline Dean; dear mother of Darren D. and Kara M. Wilson, and Jared Harris; dear sister of Joe and Debbie; dear step-sister of Steve and Lisa.


http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=dean&GSfn=jacqueline&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=43956024&df=all&

Jacqueline Abel "Jackie" Dean

Birth: Oct. 17, 1935
Death: Mar. 22, 1975

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
101. i personally dont agree with this
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:40 PM
Aug 2014

But I will say this. People (including myself) are tired of corpses being indicted and tried with no option to self-defend. I view it as a "taste of your own medicine" reaction.

Ferguson PD really fucked up, simply and crassly put.

ETA: Catwoman... I understand where you're coming from and I throw no shade on you. Peace Sis.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
123. exactly, if the fucking cops were not trashing the dead victim and not lying it might be different
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:14 AM
Aug 2014

but not in this case.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
102. Way to go - mimic the vile things the other side is doing.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:41 PM
Aug 2014

We should be better, and less hypocritical than that here.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
118. I don't know. I think it is relevant.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:29 PM
Aug 2014

And not just for spiteful reasons. It provides a little context. Darren Wilson is a murderer and criminal, just like his mom.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
171. In a court of law, you would be wrong.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:41 AM
Aug 2014

Prior bad acts, even prior bad acts by Wilson himself, are not admissible to prove he acted this time in a manner consistent with those acts. Here you are not even talking about his own prior bad acts - you are talking about someone else's.

It is just as much spite and character assassination as the police releasing the robbery allegations was - the purpose is to bolster the case against Wilson by smearing his mother. In some ways it is even worse, since we're not just digging up dirt on Wilson, we're going after his entire family. And we should be better than that.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
119. At least the cop is still alive to defend himself
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:43 PM
Aug 2014

Michael Brown, not so much.

These cops are trying to convict a dead person, a person the cop murdered, through innuendo and crass accusations.

The cop's mother, at least had her day in court. Her son denied that same right to Michael Brown.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
170. The cop's mother had her day in court -
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:36 AM
Aug 2014

and whatever punishment was meted out for that is long over. She does not deserve to be further humiliated for actions that she did not take.

Just because the Ferguson police department is acting badly does not give us license to do the same.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
175. And this is always why we lose
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:46 AM
Aug 2014

because we just have to "mind our manners."

Sorry, when you opponent gets down in the gutter, you damned well better be prepared to brawl it out or lose and be called a coward. You can't take a knife to a gunfight and win.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
190. The only thing that happens when you crawl in the gutter
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:42 PM
Aug 2014

is that you turn into the filthy, slimy, mess you abhor.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
128. There has been a lot of misinformation from different sources & it isn't even relevant to the issue
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:20 AM
Aug 2014

It is just as bad as people digging up information on Micheal Brown's family (which I'm sure is happening on the RW sites).

 

notgoinback

(39 posts)
130. Do you consider Woody Harrelson a criminal?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:07 AM
Aug 2014

After all, the actor's father is serving a life sentence for murdering a judge.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
131. if Woody harrelson shot and killed someone and was trashing the dead person
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:21 AM
Aug 2014

the comparison would work better .

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
134. Why are you instigating character assassination? That's just plain wrong.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:38 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:11 AM - Edit history (1)

Did you like it when they showed the convenience store video for no reason other than an obvious attempt at character assassination of Mike Brown? I doubt it.

What you are doing is no better than what the FPD did, and I can tell you that was a lousy thing to do.


As an aside, I keep seeing Daily Mail as a link on so many stories about Ferguson. That's kind of weird. I've always seen people posting that the Daily Mail is not to be taken seriously.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
137. catwoman posting on an internet board is not the same as a police dept trashing a person one of
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:42 AM
Aug 2014

their own shot and killed.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
138. It's character assassination and it should be beneath those who post on DU.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:45 AM
Aug 2014

The killer's mother has nothing to do with this.

This is what happens when you let emotions get the better of you. You do stupid shit.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
140. maybe the cop should call for it to end starting with his own police dept
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:49 AM
Aug 2014

who is doing it to the dead guy.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
143. Why should it rely on that?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:56 AM
Aug 2014

Should we only be as good as the police dept? Is that your standard of what kind of human beings we should all be?

JI7

(93,615 posts)
144. the police dept should be held to a far higher standard than some private individual
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:58 AM
Aug 2014

posting on the internet.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
145. Yes, so do that. Still doesn't excuse someone acting the same way the FPD is acting.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:02 AM
Aug 2014

Period.

Tossing aside one's principles just because someone else has done it and you want revenge is not very mature or honorable. It is no better than the behavior you are attempting to avenge because it is the same thing.

Your defense is basically that of elementary school children when they say "s/he started it".

JI7

(93,615 posts)
146. it's not like she killed anyone or is covering up for someone who did so , so it's not the same
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:03 AM
Aug 2014

thing at all.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
148. We're not talking about the killing. We're talking about the character assassination and
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:07 AM
Aug 2014

integrity.

So you think because someone else does something bad it gives you moral grounds to do whatever you want, to toss aside maturity and principles.

Perhaps we should look into your mother's history and see why she raised you to think this way. Since you think that's an okay thing to do you wouldn't mind, would you?

JI7

(93,615 posts)
149. i don't believe in the "both sides do it" bs while ignoring the main thing which is a Dead Person
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 AM
Aug 2014

being trashed in this case.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
151. We're not ignoring it, it is an active part of this discussion.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:10 AM
Aug 2014

I'm saying, just because the FPD is doing it to Mike Brown (Dead Person), does not make it right to do the same sort of character assassination/guilt by association to the cop who killed him.

Like I said, your defense is simply "s/he started it, so there". You are saying that one need not hold onto their own standards/principles/morals if someone else doesn't. That's very immature and shows a lack of integrity. Period. End of story.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
156. what an official police dept does/says and what someone posts on the internet is not the same
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:53 AM
Aug 2014

thing at all.

HipChick

(25,612 posts)
168. Stereotype much? Because that's how we got here..
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:17 AM
Aug 2014

for decades, go to a mall..groups of young black men are singled out, followed around stores...because of racist perceptions....
Wilson should get a taste of what he executed in his decision making

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
186. Stereotype? What are you talking about? Where did I do that?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

I am well aware of racism and speak out about it here and elsewhere.

Doesn't justify the OP or similar behavior.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
139. This is no more relevant than the convenience store incident
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:45 AM
Aug 2014

or random pictures of Michael Brown. The only thing that is relevant is what happened at the time of the shooting.

 

Arrowood

(29 posts)
169. Maybe OP comes from the one pure bloodline in all of humanity....
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:35 AM
Aug 2014

All angels... all the way back to cavemen.

What are the odds? We should consider ourselves lucky to be in the presence of one so flawless.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
166. What's your family like?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:15 AM
Aug 2014

Can I use one of them to attack you?

I have all kinds of questionable characters and bad actors across my family.

But that ain't me

MineralMan

(151,259 posts)
174. Sins of the mother? Really?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:07 AM
Aug 2014

I cannot imagine what the relevance of this might be to anything at all.

Turbineguy

(40,068 posts)
180. It could be that some policemen
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:46 PM
Aug 2014

became cops because of the Bush Economic Miracle. A job with a bit of security.

booley

(3,855 posts)
181. Is this actually relevant?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 PM
Aug 2014

My best friend is a really decent guy.. from a family of really horrible people.

So first it doesn't' prove anything.
and second I don't' see what this has to do with the case. The mother didn't' shoot Michael Brown. Brown was shot, not defrauded out of money.

Seriously, how can we get upset at char assassinations of people like Brown or Martin or numerous others..

… and then do it ourselves?

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
184. eh. personally i am indifferent that Daily Mail is the UK version of the NY Post.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

I can take that into consideration when reading the article. i like to read it all!!

Apparently the neighbors think Michael Brown must be bad because the mother was (which is interesting) as well thus the shock at him becoming a cop. I guess that mindset is common all around.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
185. Now you can't really complain the next time this gross tactic is used against someone
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

on the left, or someone with whom you agree.

That's one of the problems with sinking to the level of the worst people on the other side.

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