I Believe I've Figured Out the Corrupt Chief of Ferguson Police's Strategy.

[MohRokTah]

He's not setting the stage for putting Michael Brown on trial when the murdering cop goes to court.

He's setting the stage for putting the ENTIRE TOWN OF FERGUSON ON TRIAL!

"Poor cops, only trying to help, but look at what these animals* do. They go about in fear for their lives every moment of every day and must use force in any situation because of that fact."

*footnote: ACTUAL TERM COP USED DURING THE POLICE RIOT!

[FarPoint]

1. Well they are definitely up to something that protect them!

The entire department needs to be removed . Replace them Highway Patrol...Maybe even go as far as replacing jail staff tooo...move all inmates in jail to other jails...pending new staff.

[jwirr]

2. Yes, and that is why I hope they can stop any rioting tonight regarding this curfew. They will just

be playing into his hands.

[AngryAmish]

3. up to a point: cops prefer to use the term savages

And otherwise you are right.

[CincyDem]

4. Yeah - these cops have such an hostile environment they have to police...

...if I recall correctly, when that "angry" mob tossed a plastic water bottle that landed about 25 feet away from a police line (wearing enough body armor to take on ISIS), yeah - I can see how they felt threatened and had to react by tossing tear gas, rubber bullets and beating folks.

Yep - it's haaaaaaard out 'der to be a cop.



_________________________

I'm sure it's a very challenging job fraught with really touch situations and I'm sure that a large percentage of cops are trying to help. But it only takes a few little pieces of chit to give the whole profession a very very bad name. And when these pieces of chit band together in an entire force...this is what you get. And where you get this, it is very hard to not stereotype cops in general not because they're all bad but because its' usually "safer" to assume they are than to assume they're not. Today's version of Raygun's "trust but verify".

[99Forever]

5. I fear you are 100% correct.

The meme from from the killer cop apologists has already become that this happened because the cop was sent to the area to find Michael Brown the suspect of the "strong arm robbery." Three days ago there wasn't a freakin' word mentioned about that drummed up nonsense.

The propaganda is working, unless We the People don't let it.


WE DEMAND REAL JUSTICE.

[rudolph the red]

6. Cops have a very tough job,

they don't know if the guy they just pulled over has warrants for murder on him, or if he just robbed a quikie mart. They have to treat everyone as a suspect.

[world wide wally]

8. Shoot first and ask questions later?

If that is your approach, just get a different job

[rudolph the red]

10. No. Why would you say that?

[CatWoman]

19. question: are you in law enforcement?

[rudolph the red]

21. No, I am not.

[icymist]

87. Have you ever been pulled over by a cop that stands in your blind spot yelling orders?

And when you do see him, he has his hand on the top of his revolver? Is this because I may be a dangerous criminal or is it because the passenger I'm driving home from our job is of color?

[aikoaiko]

104. The former likely.

That's fairly common. I , not a person of color, was pulled over for speeding with my gray haired mother and had the same experience

I understand the need for police to be cautious.

Still no excuse for violence.

[world wide wally]

75. Your statEment seems to suggest that you could fall into that trap

I hope not




Peace

[MohRokTah]

12. That's not being a cop. That's being a fascist thug. eom

[rudolph the red]

15. That is reality.

[MohRokTah]

22. That is bullshit and made up nonsense.

Any cop who feels thy have to treat everybody as a suspect should get off the force now because they are incompetent.

[rudolph the red]

23. I'm sorry, you and I have a very different view,

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it.

[MohRokTah]

26. I can't respect any opiniion that demands fascist techniques. eom

[rudolph the red]

27. I lean to the "wait for the facts" crowd

[MohRokTah]

32. Iirrelevant to this subthread. eom

[rudolph the red]

33. Facts are irrelevent, got it.

[MohRokTah]

39. "Wait and see" has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this sub thread

Nice try at thread jacking, though.

[fishwax]

73. "treat everyone as a suspect" and "wait for the facts" seem pretty different to me

[JimDandy]

74. Yes...He stepped in it, and then rolled in it with that one.

[RKP5637]

28. +1, n/t

[Fred Sanders]

34. Maybe if you would have said "potential risk", folks would not misunderstand what you mean.

[rudolph the red]

35. You are correct, I misspoke.

[cui bono]

14. "They have to treat everyone as a suspect. "

Why? What percentage of the general population are murderers? Robbers?

[rudolph the red]

17. No they aren't, but the cop doesn't know that

He doesn't know what you just did or what you may be trying to hide. He has to act accordingly.

[cui bono]

18. So statistically speaking what are the chances someone a cop stops and talks to is a murderer?

Or a robber? What is the percentage?

You said a cop has to treat everyone as a suspect, so I'm asking why? What is the likelihood of someone being a suspect? Stats please. Because without statistics your claim means nothing. Is it 1%? Is that a big enough chance for them to treat "everyone as a suspect"? Is it 10%? What is the actual number, the number that makes you feel that way?

[rudolph the red]

20. I don't know the stats, sorry. I'm sure that an internet search will find them.

[cui bono]

25. You made the assertion, it's up to you to provide the info to justify it.

I completely disagree with you but am interested to know why you feel that way and what the probability must be for you to have come to that conclusion.

You say you don't know the stats, so why do you feel that way if you don't even know the chances of a cop encountering an on the run murderer or robber?

[rudolph the red]

36. I don't know the specific stats, nor do I have them memorized

Even a really small percentage would worry me, if I was a cop You can look them up if you are interested.

[MohRokTah]

40. Good thing you aren't a cop.

You don't have the proper mentality to be one if you would treat everybody like a suspect.

[cui bono]

46. And for no reason since they don't even know the probability of that being the case. n/t

[rudolph the red]

59. Yep

[Tsiyu]

89. By your logic

we should all treat cops as deadly enemies of freedom, because Some Cops.



Sooooooo....


The cop mistrusts every single citizen.

the citizen mistrusts every single cop.

That should work out well in the long run.

[cui bono]

45. So there's no rational reason for you thinking that cops need to treat everyone as a suspect.

Just a feeling you have of worry. You can't base policy or police actions on a hunch, on worry about a person being a fugitive from the law when you don't even know the probability of that happening.

[rudolph the red]

60. No, you are right

it's just my misunderstanding

[randome]

99. OTOH, WWSHD?

What Would Sherlock Holmes Do?

Not that any of these 'geniuses' in the Ferguson PD are on that level.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[exboyfil]

52. I have had two police officers come to my house

In both cases they obviously stood in a cautious stance always aware of their surroundings. I live in a middle class neighborhood, I am white, about 5 ft 6 in and in both cases I was the one who instigated the contact (one regarding a complaint about a battery on my wife by a neighbor and the other a discussion regarding a stolen credit card number). It appears to be part of the training for the police in my area.

[cui bono]

56. Understandable to show caution. But if they had treated you "as a suspect"

you would have been ordered around, cuffed, possibly roughed up and possible shot dead.

[christx30]

42. There were two stories

a few months ago where a guy was pulled over for a rolling stop in a mall parking lot. He was suspected of drugs. He and his car were searched. Found nothing. He was taken to one hospital and given an enemas, and x-rays, ect and still could not find the drugs. He was eventually released without charge. And the hospital billed him.
So should that kind of thing happen more often? A cop doesn't know if you have drugs or not on you. Should you have to fear invasive medical procedures any time you get pulled over for doing 41 in a 35?

[rudolph the red]

44. Yep it sucks, but it's the world that we live in

[christx30]

50. And that's why people hate

and fear the police. I avoid them as much as I can. This is going to lead to more cops being shot if they keep acting like heavy handed thugs. People will not just accept we have to open our rectums to some steroid fueled asshole with a badge. If cops are scared of the members of their community, they can get another job.

[HangOnKids]

53. Yep 85 posts in 90 days and 4 hides

Real quaint Rudolph.

[rudolph the red]

64. Hey Binka, find another one to go after

[HangOnKids]

66. Ah how charming

Take it to Skinner. LOL!

[rudolph the red]

68. Damn... I was expecting that you would at least call me an asscarrot,

isn't that your schtick?

[bravenak]

77. That would be nice.

"asscarrot"

If it walks like an.....

[HangOnKids]

78. Four hides in 90 days rudolph

Ha ha ha!!!!

[pintobean]

94. Does 2 tombstones beat 4 hides? /nt

[JimDandy]

76. I think he has you pegged correctly.

What you're selling is not becoming on posters here.

[laundry_queen]

85. Many of us have noticed. nt

[Shrike47]

63. And that, if true, is a world we must change, and not just accept.

The response should not be to just live with it. Would you tell a rape victim to 'relax and enjoy it?'

[The Wizard]

62. Proving innocence is unconstitutional

But Bush said the Constitution is just a damn piece of paper. We have a real police problem. Us against the rest of society is not sound policy.

[questionseverything]

102. so maybe they should follow the Constitution

WE THE PEOPLE are innocent until proven guilty,and should be treated so

[tkmorris]

24. They also don't know if the person is a completely innocent citizen

Since they don't, it behooves them to treat everyone as if they are innocent UNLESS and UNTIL given reason to do otherwise.

[rudolph the red]

70. True

[FarPoint]

29. Agreed...

Yet officer Wilson proceeded to shoot an unarmed teenager, with his hands raised, standing alone in the street at a distance of at least 35 feet....Wilson shot him repeatedly, including a head shot. So, Wilson was not practicing police rules of engagement to say the least.

[mopinko]

38. no, they have to treat everyone as a citizen they are sworn to protect.

suspect comes after that.
otherwise, you end up where we are today.

[Scootaloo]

55. Poor things. I'll cry when one is unarmed and gunned down in the street with his hands up

[busterbrown]

69. “Cops have a very tough job"

and they get paid well with good benefits..The odds are slim that a cop will discharge his weapon over his lifetime career.. Yes it can be a dangerous job, but building construction can be dangerous as well.. The real problems for cops are drunks and mentally ill people who they must deal with on a frequent basis.. Very difficult, but thats what they get paid for..

[BuelahWitch]

80. In this case no one was "pulled over."

The cop instigated the problem by yelling profanity at the boys walking in the street. Then he escalated it by *backing up* and almost hitting them. He wasn't looking for a perp who robbed a quickie mart. He didn't even know about it. So no reason for him to check out anything, just drive on and forget about it.

[freshwest]

82. +1

[HooptieWagon]

83. And the public doesn't know if the cop pulling them over is a homicidal racist maniac.

Just to be on the safe side, need to treat all of them as such.

[blm]

7. They let looters loot and riot, then aim weapons at peaceful protestors.

I would bet anything that they cut a deal with some gang members they had the hook for something else to cause problems last night.

This is just not normal police behavior. There is something seriously wrong in that town.

3 injured police last night? My @ss.

[wandy]

9. Most defiantly setting the stage. This is a dangerous place full of................

This is an old formula used many times. A recent similarity comes to mind.
Sanford Police Department

Bill Lee had been chief of the Sanford Police Department for ten months when the shooting occurred.[36] Prior to Lee becoming chief, the department had been accused of protecting relatives of police officers involved in violent incidents with blacks, and the Martin case increased distrust between the police and Sanford's black community.[37]

On March 22, Chief Lee temporarily stepped down from his position because of public criticism over his handling of the Trayvon Martin shooting.[36] In April, the Sanford City Commission refused to accept Lee's resignation and stated that "Lee's spotless record showed there needed to be further review to determine if he failed in his duties." Lee was fired on June 20, 2012 by Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte.[38] Lee responded by saying "I continue to stand by the work performed by the Sanford Police Department in this tragic shooting, which has been plagued by misrepresentations and false statements for interests other than justice."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

There is considerable need to cast the victim and those around him in a bad light. So far, with the exception of the protests/riots, we see the same script followed almost exactly. The protests/riots that brought attention to this makes it necessary to disparage the entire town.

[cui bono]

11. Of course that's what he's doing. That's what they always do. Nothing new here.

Character assassination. Trayvon Martin was a prime and recent example of it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Ferguson PD, St. Louis County PD, and Prosecutor Bob McCullough for the defense, your Honor

They are completely out of control.

[VanGoghRocks]

16. Jackson wouldn't know a 'strategy' if it flew up his ass and

whistled 'Yankee Doodle Dandy' (or perhaps 'Dixie').

You're looking at the Prince of Winging It, the head of the Good Ole Boys Frat.

What a spectacle! How utterly disgraceful and shameful.

[MoonRiver]

30. Yep, and they might get away with it in the St. Louis courts.

That's why I'm hoping the Justice Dept. files charges.

[pintobean]

93. What does that mean?

Is it bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad jurors...?

[MoonRiver]

96. Lots of corruption and prejudice.

[pintobean]

97. What do you base that on?

Who is corrupt and prejudiced? Are you referring to The City Of St. Louis, St Louis County, or both?

[MoonRiver]

98. I lived there for 12 years and there were many reports of police abuse against the AA community,

plus corruption in the government. St. Louis City is completely separate from the many incorporated and unincorporated communities in the county. Mostly what we heard about was corruption in the city government. The mafia also has a big hand in everything. It has been more than a decade since I lived there so cannot come up with specific examples.

[pintobean]

100. I've lived here for 50+ years.

We're no worse than any other major merto area. If there are state charges, that trial will happen in the county (unless there's a change of venue), with county prosecutors. I have confidence in the PA of the county. He's already said that a grand jury will decide if/what charges will be filed. That grand jury is already seated and is said to be diverse and reflective of the population of the county.

I would think that any fed charges would be tried in the City. That would mean City residents on the jury and fed prosecutors.

[cleduc]

31. I respectfully disagree

Within hours, Chief Jackson ceded control over the investigation and crowd control to the St. Louis County Police.

Jackson is no longer investigating the shooting formally. He doesn't control the autopsy, ballistics, etc.

I'm sure to some extent, Jackson is trying to provide reasonable support to Darren Wilson - one of his fellow police officers. But he's now pretty limited in what he can really do for him.

The FBI are also looking over their shoulder.

The only person actually on trial here is the officer, Darren Wilson, who shot Mike Brown - and until the investigation is complete, he isn't formally on trial. Of interest to answer that is whether Mike Brown committed the theft of cigars (I strongly suspect he did) and whether that motivated the officer to apprehend him (I suspect that it did) and whether that contributed to starting the altercation between them (I also suspect that it did). The BIG, BIG issue is whether excessive force was used (I strongly suspect that it was) and what justification the officer had for using that force (I have big doubts the officer will be able to completely justify his actions to the public).

Yes, the media will run with peripheral stories about racism, the poor relationship between the predominately white police force and the predominantly black citizens they're supposed to protect, etc, etc. But law enforcement's focus, under pressure by the national media and other groups, will be to determine if the officer used excessive force.

As it looks like Mike Brown did steal those cigars and according to the police, that factored into the officer trying to apprehend him, the civil rights investigation by the FBI is probably going nowhere.

You may have already seen Chief Jackson's last significant press conference on this case. It's in the hands of others now. It's coming down to the State vs officer Darren Wilson to seek justice for Mike Brown and his family.

To me, it's a fairly straightforward legal question with a bunch of evidence being gathered, unknown to us at this time and yet to be presented. All this other conspiracy stuff is smoke.

[Fred Sanders]

37. The prime and only legal issue remaining, given acceptance of excellent reasoning tree, is

whether excessive force was used by the policeman.

Since lethal force is by definition and by default, excessive, the burden of proof lays with the user of the lethal force...... I hope that is the law, maybe not in this day and age of gun worship in America.

Everything else is media driven, if personal or generalized racial animosity is part of the equation it will still be answered in the context of the issue of excessive lethal force and the burden of proof.

Seems there is already a strong case for voluntary manslaughter as an included and legally stronger included offence to second degree murder. The intent element of murder is always the highest of prosecution burdens.

[A Simple Game]

41. The chief said Wilson didn't know about the robbery.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-police-department-made-situation-worse

An excerpt:

The allegations Friday threw a new wrench into the case. The report claimed that Wilson was responding to a police dispatch description of a suspect in a robbery. But later in the day, at another confusing press conference, Jackson revealed that Wilson didn’t know the teen was a suspect in the robbery.

“The police officer stopped the victim because the victim was walking in the middle of the street,” Jackson said.

[cleduc]

47. ... when Wilson originally stopped him

but Jackson went on to suggest Wilson later saw the cigars and put two and two together - which may have been why he backed up his cruiser after starting to drive off.

[HooptieWagon]

84. "went on to suggest"

translation: throwing shit against the wall, to see what sticks.
You know, we might actually know what was going through Wilson's head if he made a statement rather than running away to hide.

[cleduc]

95. What makes you think we're not going to get his statement?

According to the Post-Dispatch, Jackson was more definitive:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true

The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.

[cleduc]

101. Here's other reports on it

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/

Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.

Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.

At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326

Thomas Jackson, the police chief of Ferguson, Missouri, said later that the officer did not know Brown was a suspect in the robbery when he stopped Brown. Asked why Brown and a friend were stopped, the chief said: “Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.” Jackson later said that "at some point" during the encounter, the officer saw the cigars in Brown's hands and thought he might be a suspect.

[Oilwellian]

106. Let's see...

Wilson heard on his radio that there was a theft of the cigars and got a description of the suspects, just minutes before seeing Brown walking in the street. He stops Brown, tells him to get back on the sidewalk, sees the cigars and then drives away. You just can't make this stuff up. Wait, yes you can!

[HooptieWagon]

107. Exactly.

Chief is "suggesting". Then he "later" says. A whole lot of conjecture being flung out there, and a constantly changing story. All intended to divert attention from the FACT that his officer (who has since skipped town) gunned down an un-armed person with their hands in the air.

[cleduc]

108. I don't think so on this "sees the cigars and then drives away"

I think it might have been more like this based upon what has been said:

"sees the cigars as he's driving away. It then clicks in that these guys may be the cigar robbery suspects and he backs his cruiser up to address that .. which leads to the altercation"

I wasn't there. I don't know if that is exactly what happened. But it is quite plausible based upon what we've been told so far.

But again, that doesn't excuse the officer for blowing a guy away with his hands up. All it might explain is the sequence of events that led up to that moment.

[MohRokTah]

43. Hours after his crew had total control over all evidence

Fox

Chicken coop

[cleduc]

54. I have my doubts that will matter much

The police have confirmed Mike Brown was unarmed. = they didn't plant a weapon on him.

The police have confirmed the only spent shell casings belonged to the officer and that he fired several shots. = they didn't plant any other evidence that could help their fellow officer there.

Mike Brown is dead full of lead from the officer's gun roughly 35 feet from the cruiser where their altercation began. = they couldn't do much physically to the crime scene with everybody watching.

Several witnesses describe Brown running away until he's shot, turning around and putting his hands up. And then they describe the officer pumping several more shots into Brown. = so far, the police haven't presented any witnesses or evidence to refute that.

I've been over that and over that trying to imagine what excuse the officer could come up with to justify his actions or what other evidence could exist to bail him out. And all I can do is shrug my shoulders. (sarcasm "I thought my life was in danger because he was going to throw the box of stolen rellos at me from 35 feet" /sarcasm&quot

My guess: I think the officer got injured in their scuffle around the cruiser, stepped out pissed off and blew him away.

In light of the above, I'm at a loss to imagine what the police could do with evidence to defend Wilson.

Then again, I was shocked and stunned when Zimmerman got away with blowing Trayvon Martin away. There seem to be no guarantees when you get in a court room.

[exboyfil]

58. Only possibility for the cop is

the fleeing felon statute in Missouri. If a cop feels the felon is a danger to others then he is authorized to use lethal force.

If he shot Brown while he was on the ground (and I think the forensics should be able to show that) then it is murder. Who handled the forensics? The state? County? How good are they? How likely are they to tamper with evidence?

[cleduc]

65. The forensics/ballistics can probably answer that

The Brown family has requested a second independent autopsy to help keep that process honest.

They have a reasonable chance of determining the trajectory of the bullets that hit him. He was a big guy so if he was on his knees or on the ground, the angles would be slightly larger to help distinguish that. That also depends on what position the officer was in when he shot though - so it's not necessarily easy.

But it would seem even simpler to determine which wounds entered from his back and which from his front. Entrance wounds tend to be smaller than the exit wounds because the lead flattens and deforms/rotates - if there is an exit wound. If he has one wound entering his back and the rest entering his front, for example, then that would support what we've heard so far from the eye witnesses: he stopped fleeing and turned to face the officer who was about 30 feet away. Using lethal force at that point seems highly questionable in the best case.

[mackerel]

48. It kinda reminds me of the most ruthless, fearsome gang in Mexico made up of former

military and cops.

[mackerel]

49. It's clear to me that the FPD chief needs to be fired.

It's in the best interest of Ferguson and I think that eventually after this settles a bit that is what will happen. There are too many eyes on Ferguson otherwise.

[Scootaloo]

51. Minor correction on your message body

The actual term used was "fucking animals"

[The Wizard]

57. Stop resisting

Stop going for my gun.

[gordianot]

61. This also falls squarely on the Mayor, City Attorney, Aldermen.

I have an in law that lives in that town who is a prime Republican asshole. I am sure there are many sympathetic white residents but obviously there are enough assholes like my in law to elect ineffective government that created such a mess in the Police Department. I would hope the Police Chief is smart enough to know he is also likely to end up going to trial.

[cleduc]

67. What would be the charge against "the Mayor, City Attorney, Aldermen" and/or

the Police Chief?

[gordianot]

71. Not many but you can sue Government entities.

I hope the attorneys have a field day. For one thing that young man was allowed to bleed out in the street. In most municipalities Police are supposed to be first responders.

[cleduc]

79. I know the parents of the shot kids at Kent State had

a heck of a time trying to sue the government. They had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. At the end, they got $15,000 per son/daughter and are still searching for the truth about who gave the order. It isn't always easy.

According to the police logs and media reports, the EMS was dispatched immediately and the ambulance that had been on a sick call minutes before with Wilson attended to Brown. So did another officer who was investigating the robbery.

My understanding of the Ferguson police is that they're well armed with powerful handguns that have stopping power. If one takes a slug from one of those weapons in the face, as was reported happened to Brown, that alone can be catastrophic. Based on the number of shell casings police reported and eye witness reports, Brown was hit several times. They probably took a look and quickly concluded "There's nothing we can do for him".

At that point, they leave the body where it is to minimize disturbing the crime scene - as is procedure.

[gordianot]

81. Will be interesting to see what the standard operating procedures are for Ferguson Police Department

Especially for the use of deadly force.

[HooptieWagon]

86. Poster said the chief.

Possible charges would be:
Use of excessive force.
Racism.
Violation of civil rights.
Illegal arrests.
Abuse of power.
Falsifying evidence.
Perjury.
Corruption.

[cleduc]

90. Here's my take on those so far:

As it pertains to this particular case (robbery, shooting & riots):

Use of excessive force. - he suspended the officer who may have done that to Brown & within hours, he gave control to the St Louis country police for the riots and the investigation of the shooting
Racism. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Violation of civil rights. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Illegal arrests. - all I've seen is him turn loose people who were illegally arrested by other officers but in fairness to him, he gave control to the St Louis country police for the riots
Abuse of power. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Falsifying evidence. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Perjury. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet and there have not been any official proceedings required for perjury related to this case yet
Corruption. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet

I'm not saying those things are impossible to be true. Maybe I've missed something but I honestly just haven't seen anything that soundly justifies those allegations against the Ferguson Police Chief yet.

Having said that, he is chief over a very predominantly white police force who police over citizens who are predominantly black. Should we question the civil rights seemingly violated with his hiring practices? You bet.

Why are the officers who did this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
still employed as Ferguson Police officers?
The injustice still continues as the officers were granted "official immunity":
http://diasforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/henry_m_davis_vs_city_of_ferguson_excessive_force2.pdf
Makes my head spin.

I could go on and on.

If you're a 300 lb guy like Mike Brown and you see police doing stuff to your friends and neighbors like they did to Henry Davis and getting away with it, you can be easily provoked into taking matters into your own hands because you're big enough to do something about it - standing up for people you care about.

In fairness, I'm sure there's another side to some of these stories.

But on that front, there is clearly a significant problem in Ferguson with their police - some of it apparently racial. Since all this crap was happening on Chief Jackson's watch, he and his minions simply need to go. They need someone the community seems to respect like Captain Ron Johnson to come in to clean house and bring law and order that respects civil rights to a festering situation that threatens to spiral out of control to harm more good people.

[HooptieWagon]

91. Their crimes didn't just start a week ago.

A thorough investigation by the DOJ will turn up several decades of all the crimes I listed. Just check out the Henry Davis case.

[ReRe]

72. IMHO, here's the real problem:

There's a war going on between the Ferguson Police Chief/underlings and the Highway Patrol/State. The town is pissed because the cop murderer hasn't been apprehended, charged, and thrown in jail. And because when the businesses get looted like last night, the Ferguson Police Dept ignores their calls. The only reason the police chief put out that business on the robbery & the video yesterday was because he knew that doing so would throw a wrench into all the kumbaya good will between the protesters and the Hwy Patrol. The community needs to keep it's cool and not be drawn into the gutter. If they can do that, that town has a good chance of putting and end to the worst societal malady that exists: viral racism.

[Enthusiast]

88. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

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[Stargazer09]

103. A friend tried to justify the shooting

I asked him, point blank, "Did the victim deserve the death penalty for whatever he did wrong?"

My friend backpedaled quickly and said he'd wait for the FBI report. (He's a decent guy, just loves his guns a bit too much.)

[maced666]

105. Yea that's it.

I am sure you are correct.