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[fishwax]

1. the robbery and the shooting are unrelated, and Johnson didn't commit a felony

[cvoogt]

2. doubt it

the two events are unrelated even though they are close in time.

Also .. it has yet to be proven a robbery, as far as I know. Video looks to me like he actually put some back because he couldn't pay for all the ones he wanted. Not conclusive either way. http://sfbayview.com/2014/08/mike-brown-appears-to-have-paid-for-those-cigars/

[Rex]

3. Why would he? Did he shoot Brown 6 times with a gun?

You have to assume a lot of things to get to that conclusion imo.

[kelly1mm]

10. Do you know what the felony murder rule is? From you post I think not.

Basically it is a rule that says if you are committing a crime (felony) and in the process of that crime someone is killed, you can be charged with murder of that person.

Just an example: you walk into a store and pull out a gun and try to rob the place. The clerk pulls out a shotgun, pulls the trigger, totally misses you as you run out the door, but hits and kills the little old lady coming in the door. You can be charged with murder of the little old lady under the felony murder rule.

[Bjorn Against]

11. But Dorian Johnson did not commit any sort of crime, suggesting this applies to him is a smear

[Rex]

15. Amazing how many people say we should stop judging the cop, but have no problems

convicting Brown of a crime without the need for a jury or a judge.

[Bjorn Against]

17. Exactly

[fishwax]

20. +1 n/t

[kelly1mm]

18. The poster I replied to seemed to be ignorant of the concept of the felony murder rule

which, implicitly, intends to make those not directly the proximate cause of death of another nonetheless responsible for that death if they are involved in the commission of a crime. The poster's question about the number of shots he fired led me to the conclusion that he/she did not know what the felony murder rule was/is.

[Bjorn Against]

19. The OP and anyone thinking the felony murder rule applies here is far more ignorant

[kelly1mm]

33. I tend to agree. Even assuming there was a felony at the store (not saying there was)

the time/place disconnect between the store and the location of the shooting is such to sever link needed for the felony murder rule to apply, IMO.

[Rex]

22. Yeah that was sarcasm. Sorry it went over your head.

So what crime did these young men commit? I must have missed that one.

[Rex]

12. Yeah the OP linked it in their post...did you read it and follow the links?

So are they going to prove this alleged robbery took place first or do we just go by the words of the FPD?

[kelly1mm]

29. Well, if they wanted to try him under the felony murder rule, they would first need to prove that

he was involved in a felony. From what I have seen I doubt that he was involved in a felony but it ultimately would be up to a jury. Second, from what I understand of the situation/timeline, even assuming he was involved in a felony at the store, I believe that there was a significant time/place disconnect between the store and where Brown was shot (and no allegation of hot pursuit) as to defeat a charge of felony murder as the alleged felony was basically over by the time the police officer intercepted Brown.

But, to directly answer your question, just like in all prosecutions, and assuming no plea deal, the prosecution would have to prove their case in front of a jury.

[MohRokTah]

30. Even if Mr. Brown is guilty of stealing the cigars.

Mr. Johnson walks out empty handed. He did not participate. There is no way in hell he is guilty of any felony.

Here's a clue for you. He has not been charge. The store owner has filed no complaint. There was no theft.

[JI7]

4. you are still here after that very ugly post ?

[MohRokTah]

7. Stormfronters are all over every forum commenting on this shit.

I must admit, MIRT may not have seen that vile shit he had hidden.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Even the Ferguson PD has been clear that they do not believe he committed any crime

The only people calling him an "accomplice" are right wing nutjobs and racist shitheads.

[Bjorn Against]

6. You can't be serious? Johnson has not even been charged with a crime

Your attempt to smear the witness is disgusting. Darren Wilson fired the bullets and he fired them entirely without justification. Dorian Johnson commited no crime, don't try to suggest this was his fault.

[herding cats]

8. No, no matter how one tries to streach the law.

No matter how much anyone wanting to smear Johnson may want it to be true, that's not the intent nor even the wording of that law.

[bravenak]

9. It's time for you to cut it out.

The cop did not stop them for robbery. The police chief confirmed this. The store owner did not call a robbery in. There is no case. You have no complaintant, just a customer who was not an employee calling in a potential shoplifting.

[Loudly]

14. Thank you. Working this through. Did Dorian Johnson commit the felony of receiving stolen property

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5700000080.HTM

[Rex]

16. Do you have evidence that Johnson had stolen property on him?

Wow all over the road with this one.

[Loudly]

21. From the surveillance footage, Mike hands Dorian merchandise to leave with.

For which a purchase transaction has apparently not been completed according to the complaining storekeeper.

[Rex]

24. The shopkeeper never filed a complaint with the FPD...you didn't know that was a lie?

Maybe you should show some links to where you are getting your 'news' from.

[MohRokTah]

32. Biggie?

Man you just cannot stop your fucking bullshit about Michael Brown.

Why the fuck do you hate this kid so fucking much?

[fishwax]

34. Biggie? wtf?

[Bjorn Against]

25. Even the police have said Dorian Johnson commited no crime, stop with the smears

[notadmblnd]

26. What felony? Your very own link answers your question. So why bring it here?

(1) The value of the property or services appropriated is five hundred dollars or more but less than twenty-five thousand dollars;

There was no felony committed by those young men.

[fishwax]

27. it's a misdemeanor unless it's worth more than 500 -- why are you working so hard on this?

[Loudly]

31. I think you're mixing up theft and robbery.

If force used, the value of the property is no longer the issue.

[HooptieWagon]

13. No. Jaywalking isn't a felony.

Debateable whether theft occured. Brown placed some money on counter, which storekeeper placed in pocket. Storekeeper did not call cops, a customer did. Storekeeper did not file a crime report. Storekeeper did not share video with police until forced to do so under supoena. At most it was petty larceny, which is not a felony, if it was even theft at all.

You're desparately grasping at straws to blame the black victim, aint cha?

[MohRokTah]

23. And the Thuggification of the wtinesses begins on DU

My my my, and after that vile post was hidden.

You really hate "Fatty" (your word, not mine), don't you?