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[TeeYiYi]

1. Wow. Brazen...

I hope the fbi has been alerted.

TYY

Edited to add: Since he's a photographer, it's probably just an innocent play on words but if I were him, I'd clarify that point. Twitter is a 3 second read if you're lucky...not enough time to research the meaning behind double entendres.

[bigtree]

2. provocative

. . .I doubt he shared that tag with the ones agreeing to the photos

[TeeYiYi]

12. Exactly...

I think that website should be taken down until things calm down in Ferguson. I'm not convinced it's innocent in its intent.

TYY

[bigtree]

17. website not innocent in its intent?

I'm trying to wrap my head around that . . . I'm looking at the photo page and I'm not seeing the provocative tweet title.

Now, why should that page, with the true portrayal of these officers in their gear, actually posing for the photos, I'm sure with their consent, be taken down. Explain that to me. Is it because of the tweet title, or something inherently wrong about the subject, or something you can share about the photographer beyond innuendo or your objection to the tweet?

[TeeYiYi]

26. Of course not...

re: I'm looking at the photo page and I'm not seeing the provocative tweet title.

He links to it from Twitter. Millions of people have likely seen that tweet. You saw it. I've seen it. A link to a database of cops working the protests in Ferguson...

He's not from Ferguson. He's from New York; yet he has a website of Ferguson cop 'portraits.' He's no great photographer. Amateur at best. And, yet, he tweets to his friends and followers that he's 'shooting cops in Ferguson.'

It's obvious what's he done there. I hope I'm wrong.

TYY

[bigtree]

30. not defending the tweet, has a hells of photos to his name, listed at his linked name in the op

http://animalnewyork.com/author/aymann/


from the 'about page'

Animal is a daily source of art, news and culture. We create original content, break stories, aggregate stuff, throw events/parties and interact with humans IRL. Since 2003, ANIMAL has reported from the gut of the city and the fringes of the internet.

Founder

Bucky Turco

Staff

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Calling him an 'amateur' isn't a distinction that I'm understanding. Most of his work looks to be city-based, gritty portraits of everyday life. You still haven't spelled out what you believe his motive is - the motive that you're questioning.

[951-Riverside]

3. There is no doubt he's going to get a visit from the FBI. That is a given.

It is not okay to shove a camera in a cop's face in America but a cop can shove a rifle in your face and say "I will fucking kill you". Meanwhile the other department heads will defend your actions and the FBI/DOJ will pretend it never happened.

St. Ann Police Department response?

Source: https://twitter.com/CaseyNolen/status/502234229082947585/

Subject: RE: KSDK phone call

Last night, during one of the many recent
conflicts in Ferguson, a St. Ann officer had
bottles of urine and water thrown on him.

The officer then raised his weapon after seeing a
gun in the crowd, he continued to scan the
area trying to assess the scene. While
assessing the scene he asked several people
including a member of the media to move.

The media person refused to cooperate and in
an attempt to keep the public safe, my officer
used profanity with the public and told the
media person that he was going to kill him if
he didn't move.

We certainly do not condone the verbiage that
was used and the officer will be counseled on
his choice of words.

The officer is suspended without pay until further investigation.

The St. Ann Police Department regrets this
unfortunate situation and hopes for a peaceful
resolution in Ferguson.

Chief Aaron Jimenez
St. Ann Police Department

[Erose999]

22. Seems like a manufactured incident. How would the officer KNOW a bottle thrown at him was urine?

[951-Riverside]

23. What do you mean by manufactured incident? n/t

[Erose999]

25. I'm saying that the cops could be making up a story about how this officer was provoked.

[951-Riverside]

29. (Sorry!) And yes I absolutely agree!

[pintobean]

27. Smell, color, temperature.

You can't tell piss from water?

[lunatica]

5. I'm confused. Alerted to what?

[TeeYiYi]

6. It was probably a play on words...

...to 'shoot cops.' I didn't understand at first but now I see it, since he's a photographer.

Since he didn't use quotes, he leaves himself open to misinterpretation. If I were him, I'd take the time to spell it out better....but that's just me.

TYY

[lunatica]

8. Oh! Okay, I get it.

[lunasun]

7. Radical photography?

Or just a heads up get this guy off the streets
The more time arrested the less he can document

[Boom Sound 416]

9. I once caught the ire of an Indiana state cop

Referring to my shotgun microphone as my shotgun microphone.

They have very little tolerance for that.

[TeeYiYi]

10. I think his play on words is a little disturbing...

...considering the state of unrest in Ferguson right now. And, I'm not comfortable with his website of Ferguson cop portraits. I think something smells fishy here and I hope he takes that website down..at least for now.

TYY

[Boom Sound 416]

11. Agreed. He's asking for what he might get.

[bigtree]

14. I agree about the play on words - it's unnecessarily provocative

. . . but the rest about it being 'fishy' doesn't make any sense to me.

That particular innuendo needs more than a gut feeling to validate it . . . I'm sure the cops would share your sentiment though.

I'm thinking of the way in which these officers have intimidated innocent protesters and others at the point of these weapons for no reasonable cause - actually threatening their lives in countless cases during the past week and actually assaulting them with those weapons he's photographed - and I'm finding it hard to find one drop of sympathy for them, or any impetus from those words to cast any aspersion at all on the photographer's character.

maybe it's just me . . .

[TeeYiYi]

16. Let me clarify...

I stand with the people of Ferguson against the militarized police force and in the hope for justice regarding Mike Brown. I just don't like the idea of the possibility that people with twisted emotions might make a game out of that website. If it's innocent, then it's extremely poor timing.

He's an amateur photographer at best. That's why I'm not buying it.

TYY

[bigtree]

19. wow, you're full of aspersions against this fellow -personal ones. I guess that's fair

. . .I'm wondering your aspersions are about the tweet title or if they're about the innocuous photo page which does little except portray the officers as they actually are - as they present themselves to the public in Ferguson, albeit without the threatening behavior they display in person?

[MADem]

4. Looks like a Family Reunion-Costume/Fancy Dress (UK term) party!!!!

Everyone in the family, come dressed as a policeman!! Everyone bring a salad or dessert! Call Aunt Bertha for food assignments!! Looking forward to seeing you there!!!!!

Seriously--some of those guys look like brothers or cousins!

[msanthrope]

13. I always liked "Vicars and Tarts" for fancy dress myself. nt

[pintobean]

15. Ferguson Police Department was never handling the Michael Brown protests

St. Louis County was.

[TeeYiYi]

18. The 'portraits' at his website...

...all appear to have been shot during the recent protests in Ferguson. They look to be cops from different jurisdictions around St. Louis County.

TYY

[pintobean]

20. I know that.

This is false:

After a public uproar over the Ferguson Police Department’s handling of the Michael Brown protests, Governor Jay Nixon put the Missouri State Highway Patrol in charge of security for the small town.

Nixon removed St.Louis County from command, and put Highway Patrol in charge. FPD was never in command.

[GliderGuider]

21. As an ex-photojournalist I got his pun

But it was a bloody risky thing to tweet.

Fantastic photos - as penetrating as a full metal jacket!

[bigtree]

24. I wonder if the officers will withdraw consent for their images

. . . or, if that's a done deal?

I seriously don't know about such things, but I think he's going to get some serious backlash for the tweet, at any rate.

[GliderGuider]

28. Withdrawing consent retroactively is legally difficult.

It's not like he misrepresented anyone...

But yeah, he's going to get catch a burst of flak for it.

[sadoldgirl]

31. Sorry, I don't get it.

They are all sheriffs. Is that the same as the FPD? Where I live ( in the city) the sheriffs don't have the same power at all as the police.

[mainer]

32. Photogs are always using that term "shoot"

"Shoot a wedding." "Shoot a class portrait."

Among their own, there's nothing startling about the tweet.

[bigtree]

33. Mulling this over - not the best thing to post - reconsidered it

posting the original page here without the offending tweet - my choice (at this stage), my delete button . . .


Portraits of the Police Patrolling Ferguson

By Aymann Ismail

Amy K. Nelson ‏@AmyKNelson
.@aymanndotcom is my absurdly talented colleague. He shot a gallery of portraits of police in #Ferguson. http://animalnewyork.com/2014/ferguson-police-portraits/ …

After a public uproar over the Ferguson Police Department’s handling of the Michael Brown protests, Governor Jay Nixon put the Missouri State Highway Patrol in charge of security for the small town. Click through the gallery for photos of officers from that unit and various other law enforcement agencies currently operating in the St. Louis suburb. (Photos: Aymann Ismail/ANIMALNewYork)


Joshua Gray ‏@BumpinFresh 1m
@AmyKNelson @aymanndotcom . . .Hard not to be struck by the lack of diversity among the police.