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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI re-read the second amendment, and I'm sorry to say the Conservatives have been right all along.
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Text of the Second Amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, including weaponry a century hence, of such staggering magnitude and rapid rate of discharge that it will be beyond the mental faculties of we who are drafting this amendment to conceive, and therefore in utter defiance of its spirit, and that the right of bearing such arms shall extend to the interiors of grocery stores and family restaurants, and the acquisition of such arms shall be extended to gun advocate gatherings, where individuals whose hermit-like seclusion and derangement is so egregious that many in our present age would ascribe it to possession by the Devil, shall not be challenged or asked to identify themselves, irrespective of whether they wish to massacre children or wreak havoc upon society, and proponents of this amendment a century hence shall impose their attitude upon their fellows with insufferable sanctimonious staunchness, and twist the phrase 'well regulated militia' which has a specific context given we have just written it when the Revolution is still fresh in the minds of most citizens, and interpret it in a preposterously broad way and resist any appeals to moderate this amendment, arguing a neurotic and stubborn 'slippery slope' fallacy that goes against all common sense as well as the general will of the population - shall not be infringed.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)"all of which is not to deny that any black person bearing arms or things that look like arms or things that don't look like arms or no arms at all have no right not to be shot by agents of the state"
echochamberlain
(56 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)imthevicar
(811 posts)From: Brian T. Halonen <halonen@csd.uwm.edu>
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)correctly.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Godspeed, man. Godspeed.
tridim
(45,358 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)don't want to see the same arguments over and over again. That's the reason for the SOP for this forum.
tridim
(45,358 posts)To each his own I guess.
echochamberlain
(56 posts)[i
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Since the founding fathers could not have predicted that.
Also a repeating air rifle with a 20 round magazine was invented in 1779, or 12 years before the bill of rights was ratified.
It could fire a round every 2-3 seconds. It had flaws, but I dont think anybody said "we will never be able to improve on this design"
bobduca
(1,763 posts)tblue37
(68,444 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Plus tank tops, muscle shirts and the like. This right however does not extend to going topless.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)According to the GD SOP Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum.
I suggest re-posting in one of the "gun" forums (RKBA, Gun Control reform Activism)
