Kiev Government's "anti-terrorism" troops surrounded, forced to retreat.

[another_liberal]

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Kiev has suffered a major reversal in its plans to quickly quash the independence movements in Donetsk and Lugansk. It would appear the Ukrainian forces overplayed their hand in trying to so quickly subdue the self-defense forces defending those two ethnic Russian population centers. Their troops are clearly in a very tight spot as a consequence.

Members of Ukrainian volunteer battalion Dnipro stand in a truck covered in steel plates near the small southern Ukrainian city of Novoazovsk, Donetsk region, on August 27, 2014.(AFP Photo)





Kiev loses control of Novoazovsk, rebel troops advance in southeast Ukraine

Kiev’s troops had to leave the eastern Ukrainian city of Novoazovsk to save their lives, said the country’s Security and Defense Council. The authorities admitted that self-defense forces are advancing and leading a counteroffensive in the southeast. Along with Novoazovsk, Kiev troops have lost control over the villages of Amvrosiivka and Starobeshevo in the Donetsk Region of Eastern Ukraine. According to Ukraine’s Security and Defense Council, on Wednesday Kiev’s troops were shelled by Grad rocket launchers and then attacked by two military columns of self-defense troops. The columns included tanks and armored infantry vehicles. “Later in the afternoon two Russian columns entered Novoazovsk,” the council said in a statement.

Now Kiev’s forces are reinforcing their defenses in the city of Mariupol, in southeastern Ukraine. The council added that self-defense troops had a BM-27 Uragan multiple rocket launcher system near the village of Holodnoe, 17 kilometers from Novoazovsk. However, there is no confirmation of this report.

“The situation in the area of the anti-terrorist operation worsened in the last 24 hours,” said Ukraine’s National Security Council spokesman Andrey Lysenko. He added that on the other parts of anti-terrorist operation zone there is “active fighting” in Lugansk Region (suburbs of Lugansk, and the villages of Novosvetlovka and Khryashchevatoye) and Donetsk Region (the cities of Ilovaisk, Marinka, Starobeshevo, Elenovka).

Self-defense forces said that several tanks from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) entered the city of Novoazovsk on Wednesday. “The DPR tanks entered Novoazovsk and camped in the city’s western suburbs. The offensive is successfully advancing,” said a statement from the republic’s HQ. Self-defense troops added that they “took control of checkpoints in the suburbs of [Novoazovsk] as well as the bridge over the Gruzskiy Elanchik River.” According to the militia, Kiev’s forces were leaving Novoazovsk overnight in the direction of the southeastern city of Mariupol, in the Donetsk Region. On Wednesday, all 400 soldiers from the Ukrainian “Prikarpatie” 5th Battalion laid down their arms and surrendered from the area of the so-called anti-terrorist operation in the country’s east, Ukraine’s TSN TV Channel reported.

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Read more, and see videos, at: http://rt.com/news/183368-ukraine-novoazovsk-kiev-troops/



Update:

Putin calls on E. Ukraine militia to provide blocked Kiev troops with safe corridor to Russia

President Putin has called on the self-defense militias in Ukraine to provide Kiev's military units blocked in the east of the country with a safe humanitarian corridor to cross into Russia.

“It is obvious that the militia has reached a considerable success in curbing Kiev’s military operation, that had been a deadly threat to the population of Donbass and already led to heavy casualties among civilians,” the Russian leader said in a statement.

“I urge the militias to open a humanitarian corridor for Ukrainian troops that were surrounded, in order to avoid meaningless victims and provide them with the opportunity to freely withdraw from the battlefield area, to be reunited with their families, to return to their mothers, wives and children,” Putin said.

http://rt.com/news/183520-ukraine-russia-putin-militia/

[msongs]

1. "self-defense force" = russian army under command of putin lol nt

[MattSh]

2. I guess ignorance IS bliss...

[geek tragedy]

5. You're working off the wrong talking points.

We're past the "deny Russia has invaded Ukraine" phase and have moved into the "justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine" phase of the propaganda campaign for Team Putin.

[IronGate]

3. Well, gee, if this is true, RT and all,

then it would be because Putin has invaded Ukraine with Russian combat troops and combat vehicles to help his lackey's.

[another_liberal]

8. Is there proof of that . . .

Other than Poroshenko's unsupported proclamations, I mean?

[IronGate]

10. Glad you asked.

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/russian-troops-have-entered-ukraine-ukraine-president-says

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/international/wirestory/battle-ukraines-southeast-coast-heats-25150099

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/more-than-1000-russian-troops-operating-in-ukraine-nato/494928-2.html

I could keep on going, but I've proved my comment.

You really think US and NATO intelligence services, along with satellite surveillance doesn't know what's going on there?

[another_liberal]

11. American media obeys Wall Street's dictates . . .

What you offer is totally one-sided coverage of a common kind. Frankly, it is unconvincing because of overwhelming bias alone.

[IronGate]

12. Just as I predicted from a Putin and his lackey's supporter.

You certainly don't disappoint.

[another_liberal]

13. Are you calling me a bad name?

Please be clear about this, if you would be so kind?

[IronGate]

19. Point out where I called you a bad name.

I'm saying you support Putin and his lackey's at all costs, even when irrefutable evidence of a Russian invasion of Ukraine is presented.

[another_liberal]

23. Is "lackey" a name you enjoy being called?

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Get real.

[IronGate]

26. Lackey, as in Putin's pro russian terrorists fighting the legitimate Ukrainian govt.

[another_liberal]

46. I'm glad to know that is what you meant . . .

Thanks for explaining.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. I always prefer 'minion'. nt

[IronGate]

14. And you constantly citing only one "news" source isn't biased?

Hypocrisy at it's worse, at least I supplied 4, yes, count them, 4 credible sources and you dismiss them out of hand and stick to your "news" source, RT.

[another_liberal]

30. It doesn't matter much to me what you choose to believe, my friend . . .

Your sources, as I noted above, all parrot the same pro-Kiev line; in fact, they actually parrot Kiev's news releases without question. That is not real reporting. It is merely main stream, pro-Ukraine propaganda.

I like to offer an alternate point of view, and an authentic one, despite what you may choose to believe. That is protected by the First Amendment, don't ya know?

[IronGate]

32. Did I ever say anything about not being protected by the 1A?"

Which, BTW, doesn't apply to here, this is a privately owned website and as such, speech is restricted to what the admins will allow.

[The Magistrate]

37. I Doubt He Will Even Believe This, Sir

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GS10C20140828

Despite Russia's denials, a member of Putin's advisory council on human rights, Ella Polyakova, told Reuters she believed Russia was carrying out an invasion of Ukraine.

"When masses of people, under commanders' orders, on tanks, APCs and with the use of heavy weapons, (are) on the territory of another country, cross the border, I consider this an invasion," Polyakova told Reuters.

Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said there were about 3,000 Russian volunteers serving in the rebel ranks.

[IronGate]

45. Well, lookie here.

http://news.msn.com/world/over-1000-russian-troops-operating-in-ukraine-nato

Over 1,000 Russian troops operating in Ukraine: NATO

MONS, Belgium, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Well over 1,000 Russian troops are operating inside Ukraine, marking a significant escalation of Moscow's military involvement in the country, NATO said on Thursday.


The alliance released satellite images it said showed Russian combat forces, armed with heavy weapons, engaged in military operations inside Ukrainian territory.

"Over the past two weeks we have noted a significant escalation in both the level and sophistication of Russia's military interference in Ukraine," Dutch Brigadier-General Nico Tak, head of NATO's crisis management centre, told reporters at NATO's military headquarters near Mons, Belgium

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But, I'm quite sure you'll dismiss as western propaganda also.
However, the facts are out there for anyone who wants to see them and all you're denying them won't change that Russia has invaded Ukraine.

[LanternWaste]

31. And there it is again... any story which invalidates your own narrative becomes "propaganda".

And there it is again... any story which invalidates your own narrative becomes "propaganda". Clockwork response.

"Frankly, it is unconvincing because of overwhelming bias alone...." Indeed.

[tkmorris]

4. If they were "surrounded" how did they retreat?

Were portals involved?

[another_liberal]

7. The article suggests they negotiated with the separatists for safe passage . . .

They reportedly left carrying their weapons, which they had agreed to leave at a Ukrainian arms dump, as "paroled prisoners" one assumes.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Hmm....so the tide drastically turns just when there's increased reports of Russian regulars....

....entering Ukraine.

What a coincidence.

[another_liberal]

9. I think it's more likely the other way around, Tommy . . .

The Ukrainian "anti-terrorism operation" met with unexpected Self-Defense Force resistance, that resistance became a successful counteroffensive and Kiev tried to blame Russia as a way of covering its derriere for mistakes committed.

BTW: Check out how things are in Kiev for the Chocolate King:


A man holds a placard " General Staff save Ukraine but not your asses!" during the rally in front of the Ukrainian Defense Ministery in Kiev on August 28, 2014.(AFP Photo)

http://rt.com/news/183396-kiev-poroshenko-military-protest/

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. So the separatists who got routed from Sloviansk and numerous other cities one month ago...

...and played leader roulette in their "People's Government" suddenly and magically got their groove back without any outside assistance whatsoever?

Gotcha.

[another_liberal]

16. Or Ukraine screwed up by underestimating their opponents' resilience . . .

I do think it was more likely the latter.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. Deus Ex Machina. nt

[another_liberal]

21. More like "Inexperienced, poorly-advised Ukrainian high command."

Believe what you must believe.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

27. And once you believe that there were never any Russian troops in Crimea proper....

.....only to find out that there were, you ought to reconsider what and what not to believe.

The man is not to be trusted.

[another_liberal]

34. That is completely inaccurate . . .

And changing the subject does not change the facts.

If Russia has invaded Ukraine, where is the actual proof? Not just Poroshenko's unsupported proclamations, where is actual proof of such an Earth-shaking development?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2014.

It's undisputed at this point. Even Putin admits this.

[another_liberal]

39. You are joking, right?

In fact, this is a good point to leave it.

Nice talking to you.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. Oh, no. I'm not joking. Unfortunately.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/russia-putin-crimea-idUKL6N0N921H20140417

Putin admits Russian forces were deployed to Crimea


MOSCOW, April 17 Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:51am BST



(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said Russian forces had been active in Crimea in order to support local defence forces, the first time he has admitted deployment of Russian troops on the Black Sea peninsula.

"We had to take unavoidable steps so that events did not develop as they are currently developing in southeast Ukraine," Putin said in a televised call-in with the nation. "Of course our troops stood behind Crimea's self-defence forces

[Blue_Tires]

17. Russia Today?

LOLz

[another_liberal]

20. Clever counter argument . . .

(sigh)

[Blue_Tires]

22. Get your news from reputable sources, and you'll be better informed

What else do you want me to say??

How much searching do you have to do to find these, which actually *tell* the story??

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28966679
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28951319
http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News
http://www.france24.com/en/20140828-us-nato-back-claims-russian-troops-entered-ukraine/
http://www.dw.de/live-updates-unsc-convenes-emergency-ukraine-meeting/a-17886537

[IronGate]

24. I provided 4 sources upthread that Putin has invaded the Ukraine with combat troops and

armored vehicles and, like clock work, he dismissed them out of hand.
Whoda thunk it?

[another_liberal]

36. Offering nothing much but Kiev's unsupported talking points . . .

And you think NATO should go to war based on that one-sided, self-serving nonsense, seriously?

[Blue_Tires]

44. OH... But goddamed Russia Today's bullshit is the goddamned gospel?

Say no more...Stop digging...Just please stop

[VanGoghRocks]

25. Support our Oops, er, Troops!

[IronGate]

28. Except that the US has no troops in Ukraine,

the only foreign troops are Russian.

[another_liberal]

38. An America volunteer, an Army veteran and reservist, died in Ukraine a few days ago . . .

Here is a link:

http://rt.com/news/181780-american-ukraine-dies-battle/

[IronGate]

40. So, 1 volunteer died, if RT is to be believed,

as compared a thousand or more Russian combat troops? Really?
Sure you want to go with that?

[another_liberal]

42. I'm sure there are more Americans with the Ukrainian forces . . .

Blackwater types hired by the Ukrainian Oligarchs probably number in the hundreds alone.

Russia is next door neighbor with strong ethnic and cultural ties to the people of eastern Ukraine. America is half way around the World from there. Any of us fighting in Ukraine is a provocation and an intrusion.

[IronGate]

43. I'm sure there are more Americans with the Ukrainian forces . . .

Can you prove it?
Or is the proof that there is no proof?

And Russia invading Ukraine isn't a provocation and an intrusion?
Do you listen to what's coming out of your mouth?

[sadoldgirl]

33. How could anybody expect of Russia to give up on the Ukraine

so easily. It is "old Rus" after all. If the Western powers really thought a few sanctions would do it, then they were fools.