16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds

[Rhinodawg]

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

One in six French citizens sympathises with the Islamist militant group ISIS, also known as Islamic State, a poll released this week found.

The poll of European attitudes towards the group, carried out by ICM for Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya, revealed that 16% of French citizens have a positive opinion of ISIS. This percentage increases among younger respondents, spiking at 27% for those aged 18-24.

A recent Ifop poll placed French president Francois Hollande’s approval rating at just 18%.

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Newsweek’s France Correspondent, Anne-Elizabeth Moutet, was unsurprised by the news. “This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds,” she said, “unemployed to the tune of 40%, who’ve been deluged by satellite TV and internet propaganda.” She pointed to a correlation between support for ISIS and rising anti-Semitism in France, adding that “these are the same people who torch synagogues”.

[Rhinodawg]

1. It's only a matter of time before

you can kiss the France you know goodbye.

[gordianot]

2. After centuries of the most tubulent history on the planet Europe seemed to calm down.

Could they be warming up again?

[ZombieHorde]

3. Well that is interesting.

I wouldn't expect the number to be so high. I feel a little skeptical, but I don't really know very much about the Muslim population in France.

[Wella]

5. Some links:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606036

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/france-jewish-shops-riot_n_5608612.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/04/AR2005110400183.html

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/21/jewish-owned-stores-burned-to-the-ground-synagogue-firebombed-in-paris-intifada-photosvideo/

http://world.time.com/2012/12/07/the-problem-of-clichy-after-2005-riots-frances-suburbs-are-still-miserable/

[LongTomH]

9. Here's another viewpoint - also from Time

From 2005, to be exact; but, I doubt this has really changed: Why France's Muslim Youth Want In, Not Out

French jihad? Algeria's revenge? Intifada-sur-Seine? Forget all that. The riots currently rocking France have far more in common with the violence that shook Watts, Cleveland, and Harlem in the mid-1960s than they do with the Islamist extremism behind 9/11 or the attacks in Madrid and London. The driving forces are socio-economic injustice and racial segregation, not a thirst for infidel blood on the march to a global Caliphate. The infuriated youths burning cars and stoning police in the dismal suburbs of Paris, Toulouse, Lille, Rennes and beyond are demanding a piece of France's modern, materialist dream, not its replacement with some imported mixture of Shari'a and fatwas. They want the fraternity, equality and liberty France promises as national ideals—but largely reserves for its whiter citizens.

Forget Sharia Law and Intifada; look at unemployment, poverty and racial exclusion.

[Wella]

10. This isn't tit for tat: French Muslims can have both economic and political issues

Just FYI

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. I think it's a two way street

France is not as upwardly mobile as the United States. Social strata are more rigid. People don't starve and they receive education and health care, but making it into the upper middle class is harder than here. Much of it relies on inter-personal relationships developed over generations. If you are a relatively new immigrant and know few people who will give you an opportunity, it's hard. If you are an immigrant who doesn't feel like assimilating, hangs out only with members of your faith or ethnicity, speaks mainly in your native language and doesn't feel he/she should have to learn excellent French, it becomes next to impossible to get a good job or enjoy a good situation.

[samsingh]

4. that is not acceptable

and odds are high that many of them are financially or otherwise supporting terror groups like isis.

[Rhinodawg]

6. In a generation..

France will be gone.

[morningfog]

8. What will it become?

[Comrade Grumpy]

34. Hyperbole much?

[morningfog]

7. There is no link to the poll or the poll result itself.

What questions were asked? What were the possible answers?

I am skeptical.

[rollin74]

11. in the coming years, Europe will be very different from what we've been used to recently

and not for the better

[Rhinodawg]

12. Why is everyone so afraid to say the obvious ?

I don't understand it.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. I'll Up You One

This pisses me off. An historic western culture where 1 in 6 thinks this terroristic behavior is ok is more than beyond understanding.

Not only do i not understand, i don't excuse it either.

[Rhinodawg]

15. "The Emperor has no clothes"

France is moving away from an historic western culture.

Is it allowed to say the obvious which it will be an _____ culture in the next generation?

[ProfessorGAC]

16. A Fair Question, Indeed (eom)

[Rhinodawg]

18. LOL...apparently not.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Ignore It. It Was A Fair Question. . .

. . .no matter the fall-out.

[AngryAmish]

24. I don't want to say it...

[Rhinodawg]

25. OK..

Is it possible or can anyone envision a scenario where France could become an Islamic state?

[AngryAmish]

26. When the population becomes about 35 to 40 percent islamic it will be

An islamic state. Singapore is the exception.

[Rhinodawg]

28. Based on what you posted...

France could be an Islamic state in a generation.

The French revolution motto was "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, or Death".

They may get the 2nd choice.

[Mass]

19. Did they know it was a terrorist group

Newsweek reporting is sketchy at best and the poll was taken BEFORE Foley was killed.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. They Were A Terrorist Group Only AFTER The Foley Thing?

Don't think so. Not sure your question is pertinent.

[Comrade Grumpy]

36. Because they don't want to look like Islamopobic, anti-Arab bigots?

Feel free.

[Vattel]

14. scary

[Mass]

17. More French bashing in American media, I see.

A little critical thinking would wonder what this number means, and it is not that they support the actions of ISIS, for sure. There are not 16 % of Muslims in France (about 10 %), and I doubt every Muslim supports ISIS (I do not know who Ms Moutet is, but her racism is bothering).

BTW, did they explain what ISIS was before giving this poll, or did they just say it was a Muslim group (that may be confused with pro Palestian groups) in Iraq opposing the US?

[Rhinodawg]

23. Its hard to imagine...

they had to explain what ISIS is in the current climate.

just my opinion.

[3rdwaydem]

27. No Surprise. Muslims have not been treated well I. France and...

have been disproportionately represented in the prison population there - significantly so. When I was there several years ago, I was told by my dinner host that the seeds for a future jihad in France were being sown in the horrendously terrible French prisons.

[Rhinodawg]

29. Exactly.

The French have been oppressive.

[ucrdem]

30. Nice objective reporting there.

I don't know about torching synagogues, and that's a lousy crack, but this is one of the cohorts that helped put Hollande over the top in 2012, and if he runs again in 2017 he won't win without their support. There are a lot of North Africans in Paris, so many you don't hear much French on the Metro sometimes, and they strongly identify with African teams, so supporting ISIS post-World Cup doesn't seem all that surprising.

[Rhinodawg]

31. I don't understand.

How does supporting "African teams" lead to supporting a terrorist group ?

[ucrdem]

32. They weren't supporting a terrorist group.

That had nothing to do with what they were asked. The survey asked random telephone respondents about admitting new members to the EU. ISIS comes up in the 2nd question, which makes no mention of terrorism. Here are the title and first two question of the actual survey:

New EU Members Survey - Combined CATI Fieldwork : 11th-13th July 2014

Table 1
Q.1 Do you strongly support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose, or strongly oppose the admission of new members such as Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine to the EU?

Table 2
Q.2 From what you know, please, tell me if you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable opinion of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant otherwise known as ISIS?

http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/New-EU-Comb.pdf

In that context, I am not remotely surprised at the results, nor am I surprised that Newsweek and RT so grotesquely misrepresented them.

[Rhinodawg]

33. Now I understand.

[ucrdem]

38. I wouldn't a lot of stock in this survey.

It seems deliberately designed to mislead respondents not up on the latest terra bulletin -- younger respondents, IOW. And I wouldn't but a lot of stock in anything reported on CNN ever including the date, time and weather.

[flamingdem]

35. Reported on CNN over 1,000 French citizens have

joined Isis.

Well actually don't know if they are citizens but living in France if I understood correctly.

They have a worse problem than Britain.

I would think they're afraid to bring the hammer down because it will cause more riots. Some of those riots were aimed at Jewish stores, google for more.

[Rhinodawg]

37. Isn't that great.

I can't wait for them to light up France.




End of sarcasm obviously.

[flamingdem]

39. Just saw on the tele that 7000 is the estimated

number of French citizens who've joined Isis. yowza