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[BainsBane]

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[seabeyond]

1. this is how caricatures are create. thank you baines.

as i said there, and tuesday said, it is an interesting thread from many aspects. just bringing up the thread about his beliefs, totally important to know. but....

you are right on to start this OP for clarity.

[BainsBane]

3. If people wish to create interesting threads

They should write their own content and refrain from calling out other posters, especially in the title. Since he has not edited out my name, as I requested, I can only assume ill intent.

[CTyankee]

39. At the very least, it is incredibly rude of the poster not to edit out your name since you

have requested it. You are right to question motive here.

[msanthrope]

2. The Streisand Effect.....

The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[seabeyond]

4. the problem is in the truth not being told. not in the posters OP. what would the effect be

in saying nothing? a reality that there is a baines test?

ya.

that would be the winner.

[msanthrope]

10. You really think "truth" is getting out? nt

[seabeyond]

11. yes. i really think. just like, when you repeatedly said redq called women whatever,

we had to continually clarify that redq did not call women whatever. she used the word, expressing how men were seeing women. she NEVER called women that. yet.... you persevered accusing redq of calling women that.

yes

i do believe truth gets out. and i believe it is important to call a lie.

[petronius]

5. OT, but I'm curious what you mean by this:

Unfortunately, since a jury allowed a Meta call out of me in that thread, I am left with no alternative but to defend myself here.

I don't see that you have any hidden posts that would lock you out of either the thread you linked or the one you refer to; have the jury rules changed in some way?

[LittleBlue]

13. Yeah I don't get that either

That thread wasn't hidden, so why must she make a new thread? Is she prevented from replying in the old one for some reason?




Oh well

[BainsBane]

16. are you suggesting I have no right to create an OP

but that the person who creates an OP mocking me does?

[petronius]

20. No, I was asking a question about a statement that confused me

Not sure how you read it as any sort of suggestion...

(But for clarity, I think you have as much right as anyone here to create as many OPs you like, on whatever topics you like.)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. I think she means that she or someone alerted on the OP and it was not hidden hence she sees no

alternative but, to post an OP in her defense.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. I think that this is obvious to anyone who doesn't have a non-feminist agenda

[Tuesday Afternoon]

30. So then, this subtlety was not lost on you. Good to know.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. i think it was a callout to refer to it BB's feminism test

as though feminism is some sort of BS buzzfeed test to decide whether you are a cat person or a dog person.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. It helps to know the players and their posting history in order to see a call out, yes.

Sometimes you see them, sometimes you don't. Peace.

[ZombieHorde]

7. I liked the OP where someone took "your test."

I thought your points made the OP think and provide thoughtful replies to real issues.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. I agree with you but, I also see Baine's issue with it.

I do think he probably started out with intent to mock her but, I also think it backfired on him.

Hell, silly me. I would be proud to have an internet Meme started over something I posted.

but, out of respect for Baine's feelings I will refrain from calling it The BaineBane's Test.

I gotta admit it has nice "ring" to it and seems it has proved helpful to some of us.



I may or may not be a good feminist my own self

but, I am trying and, learning and, growing as a human being and, in the end, that is what matters most to me.

[hifiguy]

8. As much as we have disagreed about a couple of issues

I thought the list was well worth thinking about and responded to it in all seriousness. I'd add some specifically economic issues to it, but I found it interesting and thought-provoking. And as I noted yesterday, I think we have far more to agree about than not.

Have a good Labor Day weekend.

[BainsBane]

17. Thanks, Hifiguy.

You too.

[hifiguy]

21. You are entirely welcome.

And I hope you read my response.

[BainsBane]

22. Which response?

I am behind in reading posts. I was a bit caught off guard to see my name in an OP. (Plus I'm supposed to be working)

[hifiguy]

27. it's in the other thread, but here's a link.

We won't agree on everything but there is a lot of common ground.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5461030

[LanternWaste]

9. Half-witted misogynists like to appear clever.

Half-witted misogynists like to appear clever and will reinvent concepts to better maintain that pretense. Should that include the half-witted misogynist compelled to redefine positions you hold, we may safely presume the half-witted misogynist has no firm ground to stand on, and feels forced to reshape your position to better trivialize it for the half-witted misogynist's own agenda.

Not that I'm calling any one person a half-witted misogynist mind you... it's simply a generalized observation of the posting habits of a demographic which is both half-witted and misogynistic.

[Inkfreak]

12. They should've written that in your OP, IMO.

But I liked the idea of addressing each of your points. Creating an OP and naming it after you does makes it feel like they're mocking you, so I understand your POV.

[BainsBane]

18. that part that is most troubling

was the "you're a bad person . . .you need reeducation." No where did I say, imply, of think that if someone disagreed with me on an issue they were a "bad person." There was no suggestion of a score above or below which someone was a misogynist. The point was simply to demonstrate positions that I and some others find troubling.

[malthaussen]

14. And even if there were, so what?

I find it hard to believe that anyone on DU would have to go into therapy because they "failed" your putative "test." Somehow, this strikes me as a classic example of attacking the messenger because the message is unpalatable. But that cannot be, such things don't happen on DU.

-- Mal

[stage left]

15. I thought the "test" op was serious at first.

But now I believe it to be mocking. Please don't let them drive you away, as they did Redqueen. I enjoy and learn from your posts.

J

[BainsBane]

19. Thanks, stage left

Much appreciated.

[hifiguy]

31. So did I until I read it a second time,

I thought it was worth responding to seriously as those are important points.

[el_bryanto]

34. I read through it as well - I try to think the best of my fellow DUers

and wanted to believe it was done honestly - but . . . well - the responses to that thread kind of gave the game away.

Bryant

[sarisataka]

23. While the "test"

may be thought provoking and lead to worthy discussion, the misdirection of the source of said "test" implies that OP is furthering an agenda.
Also I understand that while you could defend yourself in the thread, such response could easily be overlooked in the list of replies.

In general, I find it in bad form to specifically name a DU poster in the title of an OP unless it is solely about that poster- usually recognizing some real world event.

[BainsBane]

25. Exactly

Or without their permission. I would never do such a think unless it was to affirm support for a member and I had their permission.

[randome]

24. The wars will continue until morale improves.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[KittyWampus]

26. Thanks for fighting for us, BB. I seldom post in such threads so I am eligible for juries...

as long as you and anyone else arguing for the feminist cause aren't breaking rules/being offensive, I got your back!

[BainsBane]

36. Thanks, KittyWampus

[ismnotwasm]

28. Sorry you have to go through this

It's why I don't pay attention to so many-they add nothing, only subtract, detract or derail.

You have far more patience than I, and I admire you greatly for it

[sufrommich]

32. "BainsBane test" was a dumb and childish OP.Ignoring it is

what it deserves,it's trollish at best.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Kick

[AgingAmerican]

35. I glanced at that OP

And you are right, it was pretty damn condescending.

[BainsBane]

37. I have work to do

I have spent too much time on DU drama. Please don't kick the other thread.

Thanks for everyone's support!

[chrisa]

41. There is no spoon.

[intaglio]

43. What was amusing about the fraudulent "Test" derived from your OP

was that the person writing it quite clearly demonstrated a depth of misogyny and ignorance truly frightening to observe.

[BainsBane]

49. That doesn't surpise me

The act of mocking concerns about misogyny is itself not exactly friendly toward feminism.

[TexasTowelie]

44. My apologies as well since I participated within that thread.

I did not interpret the thread as a call out against you and took the thread in a serious manner.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. ah, hell ... me too. wasn't until Xemasab posted that I realized differently.

I also apologize.

[lpbk2713]

45. I got a 92.

And now you tell me?

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. "I provided a list of ISSUES that I associated with misogyny". I find the distinction subtle. n/t

[AverageJoe90]

48. My own response. Take it as you may.

The idea of reducing feminism to purity tests is an insult and demeans issues of human equality that many liberals care deeply about.

I wish I could believe you 100%, B.B., I really do. Sadly, given my experiences here, I have to be a little skeptical.

Because I know I've been attacked and demeaned by a certain few for not toeing a certain few party lines, even though I do quite well understand, and deeply care about, women's issues myself. And it really

So what else is there to say? To be truthful, B.B., if you truly are that concerned about purity tests, then let's try to get some legitimate discussions going. Let's not shut down people because they don't agree with the more literal interpretations of "privilege", or because they may be critical of the idea of "rape culture", etc.

Can we try, just for ONCE, to have a real discussion around here? It'd really help set this place back on a better course, much better than the one that we've been on for the past year or so.

[BainsBane]

50. Self-deleting on request from the hosts

I thank the main forum hosts for locking the call out thread of me. There is no longer need for this thread so I am self-deleting. I post the OP in its entirely for purposes of transparency. I thank everyone for their support.

Instead, there is mocking of feminist concerns. In the midst of a very long thread, someone asked for links proving misogyny. Since I did not want to call out or malign any particular member, I provided a list of ISSUES that I associated with misogyny. Someone PMed me to say how much they liked that list and asked me to create an OP. I did so here.

I listed concerns, issues. No where did I present it as a test or insist if anyone disagreed with me on some or most of those issues they were a "bad person." The point was to inform about positions that some of us who are feminists find concerning. It was also to point out that misogyny means more than the commonly understood definition of hatred of women but also refers to persistent discrimination against women. Many people are unaware of the latter meaning.

Unfortunately, since a jury allowed a Meta call out of me in that thread, I am left with no alternative but to defend myself here. I would prefer not to have to do so. I would prefer a discussion about issues rather than some ridiculous notion of a "BainsBane test." No such test exists. The last time I created a test, it was for final exams in Latin American history and Comparative Slavery. Those are the only kinds of tests I create.

The idea of reducing feminism to purity tests is an insult and demeans issues of human equality that many liberals care deeply about.