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New Kerry OpEd on ISIS... (Original Post) YvonneCa Aug 2014 OP
We're going to war. morningfog Aug 2014 #1
That's how I read it too riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #4
Thanks Yvonne~ Cha Aug 2014 #2
You are very welcome... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #5
It would be helpful if you were to post about 4 paragraphs of the piece. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #3
I would imagine... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #6
At the moment I'm on an iPad Mini. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #7
I have one of those too. :) YvonneCa Aug 2014 #10
Here.........more than 4 paragraphs because he wanted it read... KoKo Aug 2014 #11
So...The WHOLE WORLD has to Pay Up...because a bunch of Fool Neocons in USA Invaded Iraq? KoKo Aug 2014 #13
Thanks KoKo-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #14
Agree..."solution has to ultimately come out of the region itself..." KoKo Aug 2014 #16
This is long... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #18
Thank you! n/t YvonneCa Aug 2014 #17
This will bankrupt us this time. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #8
I'm pretty sure we won't handle this... YvonneCa Aug 2014 #12
He sounds like a salesman for the MIC and Iraq 3.0. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #9
Worth reading fadedrose Aug 2014 #15
Be afraid awoke_in_2003 Aug 2014 #19

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
10. I have one of those too. :)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:04 AM
Aug 2014

I've learned how to do links...but not to copy paste text from places like NYT.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. Here.........more than 4 paragraphs because he wanted it read...
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:08 AM
Aug 2014
ISIS has its origins in what was once known as Al Qaeda in Iraq, which has over a decade of experience in extremist violence. The group has amassed a hardened fighting force of committed jihadists with global ambitions, exploiting the conflict in Syria and sectarian tensions in Iraq. Its leaders have repeatedly threatened the United States, and in May an ISIS-associated terrorist shot and killed three people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels. (A fourth victim died 13 days later.) ISIS’ cadre of foreign fighters are a rising threat not just in the region, but anywhere they could manage to travel undetected — including to America.

There is evidence that these extremists, if left unchecked, will not be satisfied at stopping with Syria and Iraq. They are larger and better funded in this new incarnation, using pirated oil, kidnapping and extortion to finance operations in Syria and Iraq. They are equipped with sophisticated heavy weapons looted from the battlefield. They have already demonstrated the ability to seize and hold more territory than any other terrorist organization, in a strategic region that borders Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey and is perilously close to Israel.

ISIS fighters have exhibited repulsive savagery and cruelty. Even as they butcher Shiite Muslims and Christians in their effort to touch off a broader ethnic and sectarian conflict, they pursue a calculated strategy of killing fellow Sunni Muslims to gain and hold territory. The beheading of an American journalist, James Foley, has shocked the conscience of the world.

With a united response led by the United States and the broadest possible coalition of nations, the cancer of ISIS will not be allowed to spread to other countries. The world can confront this scourge, and ultimately defeat it. ISIS is odious, but not omnipotent. We have proof already in northern Iraq, where United States airstrikes have shifted the momentum of the fight, providing space for Iraqi and Kurdish forces to go on the offensive. With our support, Iraqi leaders are coming together to form a new, inclusive government that is essential to isolating ISIS and securing the support of all of Iraq’s communities.

Airstrikes alone won’t defeat this enemy. A much fuller response is demanded from the world. We need to support Iraqi forces and the moderate Syrian opposition, who are facing ISIS on the front lines. We need to disrupt and degrade ISIS’ capabilities and counter its extremist message in the media. And we need to strengthen our own defenses and cooperation in protecting our people.

Next week, on the sidelines of the NATO summit meeting in Wales, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and I will meet with our counterparts from our European allies. The goal is to enlist the broadest possible assistance. Following the meeting, Mr. Hagel and I plan to travel to the Middle East to develop more support for the coalition among the countries that are most directly threatened.

The United States will hold the presidency of the United Nations Security Council in September, and we will use that opportunity to continue to build a broad coalition and highlight the danger posed by foreign terrorist fighters, including those who have joined ISIS. During the General Assembly session, President Obama will lead a summit meeting of the Security Council to put forward a plan to deal with this collective threat.

In this battle, there is a role for almost every country. Some will provide military assistance, direct and indirect. Some will provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance for the millions who have been displaced and victimized across the region. Others will help restore not just shattered economies but broken trust among neighbors. This effort is underway in Iraq, where other countries have joined us in providing humanitarian aid, military assistance and support for an inclusive government.

Already our efforts have brought dozens of nations to this cause. Certainly there are different interests at play. But no decent country can support the horrors perpetrated by ISIS, and no civilized country should shirk its responsibility to help stamp out this disease.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. So...The WHOLE WORLD has to Pay Up...because a bunch of Fool Neocons in USA Invaded Iraq?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:17 AM
Aug 2014


I wonder how many will step up to the plate for this? Where will the money come from?

Who would believe him. He says Al Qaida was in Iraq. Well ....it wasn't until we F**ed up and brought them there. And, where is our success in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt and Afghanistan?

Who would follow us to eradicate the "ISIS" that uses our own weapons?

I'm sure some will step up to the plate...if we bribe them enough with more taxpayer dollars, though. Just enough to make World War III look like a "Coalition of the Willing."

Very sad all this.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
14. Thanks KoKo--
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:34 AM
Aug 2014

Both for posting Kerry's op-ed and for expressing sentiments that closely match my own confused reactions to all this.

Yes we created the problem. We, and all those who allowed themselves to be bribed or coerced into following us into the Middle Eastern version of an oxymoronic (and just plain moronic) desert quagmire.

Nevertheless, I think ISIS/ISIL/IS/Whoever they are this week pose a real threat to the west, particularly Europe (if only because of logistics). The fact that we created the monster makes it no less a monster.

I'm glad that I'm not in a position of responsibility on this one, but if I were, I guess I'd let the various interested parties, including Islamic ones, negotiate a plan for containing or eliminating ISIS, and then just join in without taking the lead, either financially or strategically. The only workable solution for all this shit has to ultimately come out of the region itself, and must be something that honors ethnic and cultural groupings.

It's a lot easier to say all this than to even begin to imagine how to accomplish it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. Agree..."solution has to ultimately come out of the region itself..."
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

And, it seems reasonable that we would all hope that Saudi Arabia, Quatar, UAI, the 'STANS, Israel, Iran, Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan, etc. would convene and work this out to stop the terrorism from multiplying and threatening the whole area. But, the record so far, says that our take out of our installed puppet dictators and alliances with many nefarious groups, now out of control, has created such a mess that who could agree on anything? I'm thinking some would rather enjoy our desperation over ISIS while those who benefit from the oil & gas disruption will happily go on with business as usual.

The "Pottery Barn" scenario..? Or the "Grand Awakening" of the Middle East...

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
18. This is long...
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:57 PM
Aug 2014

...but it clarifies a lot IMHO. Especially the Q and A at the end. Kerry agrees with you that al Qaeda was NOT in Iraq before GWB invaded. Worth considering now IMO...

Edited because I forgot the link...

http://www.c-span.org/video/?189592-1/us-foreign-policy

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
12. I'm pretty sure we won't handle this...
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:09 AM
Aug 2014

...the irresponsible way GWB did. Either financially or militarily. JMHO. President Obama learned those lessons well.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
15. Worth reading
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:12 PM
Aug 2014

I read the whole article, and some is encouraging.

Next week, Kerry and Hagel will meet with their European counterparts in the NATO summit meeting in Wales, then on to the Middle East. And, the US will hold the presidency of the UN Security Council in September and President Obama will address the Council....

All countries have something they can contribute to defeat ISIS. A war against ISIS is a war against its sponsors. Money is the best weapon against money, so IMO most important is finding the source of the funding. Hapless westerners disenchanted with democracies have become jihadists, and receive food, clothing, weapons, training and sometimes even plane fare to join the jihad.

The world is not and never will be a perfect place, so it's important to understand why these people think they are doing the right thing in joining ISIS. I don't have a clue.

The Times OP-ED by Kerry is a good idea, no doubt part of our strategy. The Times is read worldwide and hopefully, will help garner the support of the UN, NATO and other global organizations, and actions will be taken to stop the flow of money to ISIS. I heard somewhere that Saudi Arabia is a benefactor.(?)

Thanks for posting the link.



 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
19. Be afraid
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:50 PM
Aug 2014

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

H. L. Mencken

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