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G_j

(40,569 posts)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:32 PM Aug 2014

It’s a scenario that could be straight out of a textbook on gender bias:

http://m.fastcompany.com/3034895/strong-female-lead/the-one-word-men-never-see-in-their-performance-reviews

THE ONE WORD MEN NEVER SEE IN THEIR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS

BY KATHLEEN DAVIS

“Jessica is really talented, but I wish she’d be less abrasive. She comes on too strong.” Her male counterpart? “Steve is an easy case, smart and great to work with. He needs to learn to be a little more patient, but who doesn’t?”

These statements, uttered by an engineering manager who was preparing performance reviews, were the catalyst for linguist Kieran Snyder to see if she could quantify the double standards in the way male and female employees are evaluated.

In a report for Fortune.com, she collected 248 performance reviews from 28 companies from large technology corporations to small startups. The reviews came from 180 male and female managers.

via. Fortune.com
Perhaps unsurprisingly critical feedback was doled out in a much higher ratio to women: 58.9% of men’s reviews contained critical feedback, while an overwhelming 87.9% of the reviews received by women did.

Not only did women receive more criticism in their performance reviews, it was less constructive and more personal. For example, the critical feedback men received was mostly geared toward suggestions to develop additional skills:

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It’s a scenario that could be straight out of a textbook on gender bias: (Original Post) G_j Aug 2014 OP
Holy crap leftstreet Aug 2014 #1
i am told often, and regulary i am abrasive for simply speaking. kinda like that sentence seabeyond Aug 2014 #6
I hear all the time, from men - "meh, this is BIZNISS!!! Look, it's just BIZNISS!" calimary Aug 2014 #11
it is still funny, even true. we have lived it a lifetime and know what we are talking about. seabeyond Aug 2014 #12
Sadly not surprising. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #2
important lessons G_j Aug 2014 #7
Expect words such as "abrasive", "shrill" and "hysterical" to be applied to Hillary Clinton Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #3
As were done with Sarah Palin in this forum in the past (hysterical was used as funny, not batshit). OnlinePoker Aug 2014 #13
actually I challenge you to find either abrassive or shrill used in relationship to Palin dsc Aug 2014 #18
Challenge accepted OnlinePoker Aug 2014 #21
I know full well Clinton hasn't dsc Aug 2014 #22
looking at your Palin ones dsc Aug 2014 #23
No surprise there. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #4
gotta bookmark. sounds fascinating. and most women recognize. i gotta read the whole seabeyond Aug 2014 #5
I had to send the link to my husband with the note I had NOT IdaBriggs Aug 2014 #8
At least thirty years ago I read something SheilaT Aug 2014 #9
When women talk 17% of the time, it is considered equality KitSileya Aug 2014 #14
oh so true. so many women's livelihoods, earnings, financial health.... BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #10
I prefer identical-resume tests, because everything else is controlled for. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #15
So then, are you refuting the findings given in this OP? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #16
Please read posts before replying to them. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #19
Muddy Waters. I have seen him live. Have you? It was an excellent concert at a very small venue. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #20
It is unfortunate there was no difference based on the gender of the evaluator Android3.14 Aug 2014 #17

leftstreet

(40,727 posts)
1. Holy crap
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:42 PM
Aug 2014
Abrasive alone was used 17 times to describe 13 different women, but the word never appeared in men’s reviews.


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Interesting article, thanks for posting
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. i am told often, and regulary i am abrasive for simply speaking. kinda like that sentence
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:53 PM
Aug 2014

would be construed as abrasive. it leaves me pondering, often. what is being demanded.

calimary

(90,067 posts)
11. I hear all the time, from men - "meh, this is BIZNISS!!! Look, it's just BIZNISS!"
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:02 PM
Aug 2014

But man oh man, let ME say that to one of them in the middle of various negotiations, and Dear God does that make the very sky above our heads rip from horizon to horizon and fall in, bringing on the destruction of Western Civilization! OMG! OH the HUMANITY!!! "HOW DARE YOU!" "Now WAIT JUST A MINUTE!" "HEY! THAT'S not the way BIZNISS is done!" OMG their heads spin around on their necks and they have apoplectic fits!

Such a double standard out there against women executives. It'd be funny if it weren't true.

And it's even WORSE if you're a mom. You're the lowest of the low, the least deserving of equal treatment or respect. You're just something else to sneer at. They practically spit out the word "momager" - which I REFUSE to be called, btw. But it's absolutely a term of derision and diminishment. You're that much less likely to be taken seriously in a lot of cases.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. it is still funny, even true. we have lived it a lifetime and know what we are talking about.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:04 PM
Aug 2014

no few people either. consistently spoken by women and men alike. academia, studies and everything else. BUT... we are supose to pretend it really is not our reality to coddle the egos. that is the bottomline.

and edit... good seeing you. off to a nap, for me.

G_j

(40,569 posts)
7. important lessons
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:54 PM
Aug 2014

"When a little boy asserts himself, he's called a “leader.” Yet when a little girl does the same, she risks being branded “bossy.” Words like bossy send a message: don't raise your hand or speak up. By middle school, girls are less interested in leading than boys—a trend that continues into adulthood. Together we can encourage girls to lead."

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
3. Expect words such as "abrasive", "shrill" and "hysterical" to be applied to Hillary Clinton
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

if she decides to run for president.

OnlinePoker

(6,128 posts)
13. As were done with Sarah Palin in this forum in the past (hysterical was used as funny, not batshit).
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:12 PM
Aug 2014

It's not nice when it's your candidate who's the target but fine if it's the other side.

dsc

(53,398 posts)
18. actually I challenge you to find either abrassive or shrill used in relationship to Palin
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:08 PM
Aug 2014

I frankly don't think it happened all that often. She was called stupid, moronic etc but I don't recall shrill.

dsc

(53,398 posts)
22. I know full well Clinton hasn't
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:49 PM
Aug 2014

but frankly I think for every one you can find for Palin you will find about 3 for Clinton.

dsc

(53,398 posts)
23. looking at your Palin ones
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:51 PM
Aug 2014

One was a direct quote of someone else (not a DUer). The second was indeed on point.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. gotta bookmark. sounds fascinating. and most women recognize. i gotta read the whole
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:52 PM
Aug 2014

when i get a minute. do NOT let me forget. lol

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
8. I had to send the link to my husband with the note I had NOT
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:11 PM
Aug 2014

been asked to contribute to the article.

I am a woman in the tech field. I thought they were quoting from my life, especially the last year!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. At least thirty years ago I read something
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:21 PM
Aug 2014

studying conversational patterns of men and women in groups. Invariably in a mixed group the men dominated the conversations, yet women were said to be talking to much. The inclination to stifle women is long standing.

In addition, male behavior is seen as the correct default in almost all situations, and yet when a woman adopts that behavior she is called abrasive or worse.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
14. When women talk 17% of the time, it is considered equality
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:13 PM
Aug 2014

When women talk 33% of the time, women dominate the conversation. That's the numbers. They are the same as with crowds - 17% women and 83% men are considered an equal gendered crowd. If there are 33% women, the perception is that women dominate the crowd.

The Geena Davis Institute does research on this in media.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
10. oh so true. so many women's livelihoods, earnings, financial health....
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:42 PM
Aug 2014

.......



It's so insidious, seemingly small potatoes.....

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
15. I prefer identical-resume tests, because everything else is controlled for.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:17 PM
Aug 2014

This provides strong circumstantial evidence of double standards, but doesn't eliminate the possibility that being "abrasive" correlates with being female.

If you take two identical resumes with different names on, and get different numbers of expressions of interest, on the other hand, that's pretty irrefutable.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
19. Please read posts before replying to them.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:10 PM
Aug 2014

It saves asking for information that's already been provided.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
20. Muddy Waters. I have seen him live. Have you? It was an excellent concert at a very small venue.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:17 PM
Aug 2014

Only 175 people were there that night. A good time was had by all.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
17. It is unfortunate there was no difference based on the gender of the evaluator
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:40 PM
Aug 2014

I wonder what factors, sociologically, are prompting the interviewers to be harsher on women. Do cognates of this type of behavior appear in other simian populations?

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