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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt’s a scenario that could be straight out of a textbook on gender bias:
http://m.fastcompany.com/3034895/strong-female-lead/the-one-word-men-never-see-in-their-performance-reviewsTHE ONE WORD MEN NEVER SEE IN THEIR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS
BY KATHLEEN DAVIS
Jessica is really talented, but I wish shed be less abrasive. She comes on too strong. Her male counterpart? Steve is an easy case, smart and great to work with. He needs to learn to be a little more patient, but who doesnt?
These statements, uttered by an engineering manager who was preparing performance reviews, were the catalyst for linguist Kieran Snyder to see if she could quantify the double standards in the way male and female employees are evaluated.
In a report for Fortune.com, she collected 248 performance reviews from 28 companies from large technology corporations to small startups. The reviews came from 180 male and female managers.
via. Fortune.com
Perhaps unsurprisingly critical feedback was doled out in a much higher ratio to women: 58.9% of mens reviews contained critical feedback, while an overwhelming 87.9% of the reviews received by women did.
Not only did women receive more criticism in their performance reviews, it was less constructive and more personal. For example, the critical feedback men received was mostly geared toward suggestions to develop additional skills:
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leftstreet
(40,727 posts)!!
Interesting article, thanks for posting
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)would be construed as abrasive. it leaves me pondering, often. what is being demanded.
calimary
(90,067 posts)But man oh man, let ME say that to one of them in the middle of various negotiations, and Dear God does that make the very sky above our heads rip from horizon to horizon and fall in, bringing on the destruction of Western Civilization! OMG! OH the HUMANITY!!! "HOW DARE YOU!" "Now WAIT JUST A MINUTE!" "HEY! THAT'S not the way BIZNISS is done!" OMG their heads spin around on their necks and they have apoplectic fits!
Such a double standard out there against women executives. It'd be funny if it weren't true.
And it's even WORSE if you're a mom. You're the lowest of the low, the least deserving of equal treatment or respect. You're just something else to sneer at. They practically spit out the word "momager" - which I REFUSE to be called, btw. But it's absolutely a term of derision and diminishment. You're that much less likely to be taken seriously in a lot of cases.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)no few people either. consistently spoken by women and men alike. academia, studies and everything else. BUT... we are supose to pretend it really is not our reality to coddle the egos. that is the bottomline.
and edit... good seeing you. off to a nap, for me.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)There is an effort going on to nip this in the bud at an early age:
http://banbossy.com/
G_j
(40,569 posts)"When a little boy asserts himself, he's called a leader. Yet when a little girl does the same, she risks being branded bossy. Words like bossy send a message: don't raise your hand or speak up. By middle school, girls are less interested in leading than boysa trend that continues into adulthood. Together we can encourage girls to lead."
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)if she decides to run for president.
OnlinePoker
(6,128 posts)It's not nice when it's your candidate who's the target but fine if it's the other side.
dsc
(53,398 posts)I frankly don't think it happened all that often. She was called stupid, moronic etc but I don't recall shrill.
OnlinePoker
(6,128 posts)Abrasive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3925920
Go to reply 7
Shrill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3859519
Go to reply 8
All you have to do is type in Palin shrill or Palin abrasive in the DU search and you'll see it. Nobody calls the people out on it.
You can go to this one for both:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6918357
Reply 12
On edit:
Even Clinton hasn't escaped this treatment on DU
Shrill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2169460
Abrasive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5535706
dsc
(53,398 posts)but frankly I think for every one you can find for Palin you will find about 3 for Clinton.
dsc
(53,398 posts)One was a direct quote of someone else (not a DUer). The second was indeed on point.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)when i get a minute. do NOT let me forget. lol
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)been asked to contribute to the article.
I am a woman in the tech field. I thought they were quoting from my life, especially the last year!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)studying conversational patterns of men and women in groups. Invariably in a mixed group the men dominated the conversations, yet women were said to be talking to much. The inclination to stifle women is long standing.
In addition, male behavior is seen as the correct default in almost all situations, and yet when a woman adopts that behavior she is called abrasive or worse.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)When women talk 33% of the time, women dominate the conversation. That's the numbers. They are the same as with crowds - 17% women and 83% men are considered an equal gendered crowd. If there are 33% women, the perception is that women dominate the crowd.
The Geena Davis Institute does research on this in media.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts).......
It's so insidious, seemingly small potatoes.....
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)This provides strong circumstantial evidence of double standards, but doesn't eliminate the possibility that being "abrasive" correlates with being female.
If you take two identical resumes with different names on, and get different numbers of expressions of interest, on the other hand, that's pretty irrefutable.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Is that what you are doing here?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)It saves asking for information that's already been provided.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Only 175 people were there that night. A good time was had by all.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I wonder what factors, sociologically, are prompting the interviewers to be harsher on women. Do cognates of this type of behavior appear in other simian populations?