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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:48 PM Aug 2014

Imagine if the inhabitants of Palestine had been Quakers

whose motto centers around peace and non-violence. Or Tibetan Buddhists. Or Pennsylvania Amish. Would any of those groups not been ethnically cleansed from the West Bank as were the Palestinians?

No. It wouldn't have mattered a god-damned bit to Israel -- Israel would have come up with some pretense to provoke a war and steal their land, no matter what. There would have been English Quakers instead of Arabs penned up like animals in Gaza while the West Bank was systematically being stolen out from underneath them. Why? Simply because Israel wants all that land for itself.

What is it going to take for our US tax dollars to stop funding Israel's land-grabbing actions?

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Imagine if the inhabitants of Palestine had been Quakers (Original Post) brentspeak Aug 2014 OP
America can start complaining about Russian annexation of east Ukraine when it starts complaining Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
exactly. Duppers Sep 2014 #2
+1,000 malaise Sep 2014 #3
I doubt Quaker political leaders would advocate for the death of all Jews tritsofme Sep 2014 #4
The Palestinians invaded Israel? brentspeak Sep 2014 #5
Ok - so every other Arab country around Israel invaded in a war of extermination hack89 Sep 2014 #6
The Palestinians didn't get "caught in the middle" brentspeak Sep 2014 #7
Jordan seized the West Bank and Egypt seized Gaza in 48 hack89 Sep 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Sep 2014 #10
Bullshit. Fozzledick Sep 2014 #8

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. America can start complaining about Russian annexation of east Ukraine when it starts complaining
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:31 PM
Aug 2014

about Israeli annexation of Palestine.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
4. I doubt Quaker political leaders would advocate for the death of all Jews
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:14 AM
Sep 2014

I also doubt their response to the creation of a Jewish state by the United Nations would be invasion and an attempt to drive inhabitants into the sea.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
5. The Palestinians invaded Israel?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:38 AM
Sep 2014

and tried to drive the Jews "into the sea"? What alternative universe did this take place in?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Ok - so every other Arab country around Israel invaded in a war of extermination
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
Sep 2014

the Palestinians got caught in the middle.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
7. The Palestinians didn't get "caught in the middle"
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sep 2014

The entire point of both the 1948 and 1967 wars was to force the Palestinians out of Palestine and then take their land. Historical propaganda has mythologized the threat supposedly imposed by the attacking Arab armies, but those armies were always too incompetent and disorganized to ever succeed at getting rid of the Jews, and the Jews knew it. The Israelis wanted the so-called "wars of extermination" to take place; the wars were the great opportunities to kick the Palestinians out and create/expand Israel.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. Jordan seized the West Bank and Egypt seized Gaza in 48
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:06 PM
Sep 2014

that "Palestinian" land was occupied by Arabs for 19 years - not bad for incompetent Arab armies. In 67 the Israelis told the King of Jordan that they could keep the West Bank if he stayed out of the war. The King said "the die has been cast" and attacked. The rest is history.

So let me get right - there would have been no wars what so ever if Israel had not provoked them?

Response to brentspeak (Reply #5)

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
8. Bullshit.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

After a peaceful response to the withdrawal from Gaza, Israel would have proceeded with it's original plan to then withdraw from the West Bank.

It was the cross border terrorist attacks and rocket launches from Gaza that threw everything into reverse.

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