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MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:04 AM Sep 2014

The saddest part of the nude celebrity photo hack

is that an incredible number of people will be searching for those photos today. Will they find them? Probably.

That's what I find sad and depressing.

For the people searching for them: Why? The answer to that question is one that is worth thinking about.

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The saddest part of the nude celebrity photo hack (Original Post) MineralMan Sep 2014 OP
Why do people rubber neck at gruesome fatality car wrecks? Hemmingway Sep 2014 #1
Not everyone does. Personally, I turn my focus to driving MineralMan Sep 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #2
yes but they aren't being PAID for this jberryhill Sep 2014 #8
So the unauthorized photos are the HubertHeaver Sep 2014 #37
"revenge porn" happens to ordinary victims regularly jberryhill Sep 2014 #83
Victim blaming is victim blaming. MineralMan Sep 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #39
Being photographed naked is degrading yourself???? HERVEPA Sep 2014 #46
She had her photos on what she thought was a private device, pnwmom Sep 2014 #54
Degrade herself? Who the fuck are you to judge? She was a victim of hacking, "ann". PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #55
These pictures were taken from private accounts meadowlark5 Sep 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #41
You got a 7 - 0 hide on another thread for "slut-shaming." pnwmom Sep 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #58
This is a private website, not run by the government. You don't have a 'right' to "freedom of PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #59
Well, hey, if you didn't want people to hide your posts NuclearDem Sep 2014 #62
I lol'd PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #64
This is a private website, with RULES. MADem Sep 2014 #70
There are 1000s of other "anything goes" forums then. alp227 Sep 2014 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #86
Your posting history indicates you've Codeine Sep 2014 #84
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #87
And, yet ann--- Sep 2014 #89
You self delete a lot. Bet you are not here long. nt Logical Sep 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #88
She did NOT post the photos on a website. She used her phone to take pictures pnwmom Sep 2014 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #95
You called her that name in a post that was hidden -- as you know. pnwmom Sep 2014 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #97
Victim blaming is not acceptable here. And, no, taking pictures on your own phone pnwmom Sep 2014 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #100
First you say people may be victims if someone hacks into their private online photos pnwmom Sep 2014 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #114
Since you dug the hole all the way to China Generic Other Sep 2014 #119
Sorry ann--- Sep 2014 #120
You missed one... ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #121
Um, because it's fun? hunter Sep 2014 #109
That is like saying anything you bring into a home is liable to be burglarized, ergo Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #112
someone mercuryblues Sep 2014 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #115
you keep mercuryblues Sep 2014 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #117
YES mercuryblues Sep 2014 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #101
dear Ann Kalidurga Sep 2014 #31
So much FAIL in your post. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #35
Agree. Someone has issues obviously. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #104
Most of them had to be photographed nekkid to become celebrities Warpy Sep 2014 #43
Oh, just stop. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #53
Why make a thread about it Harmony Blue Sep 2014 #3
Why not make a thread about it? MineralMan Sep 2014 #13
Why ask why? Kalidurga Sep 2014 #32
So it can be discussed. Not like people didn't know about the subjest. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #48
Well we must show how superior we are to the celebrity naked picture searchers. L0oniX Sep 2014 #66
His other one on the topic wasn't getting enough attention. morningfog Sep 2014 #93
This thread is useless without...never mind. randome Sep 2014 #4
Although I doubt it in this case, celebrities have been known to leak stuff and MADem Sep 2014 #27
JL is already the most bankable female actor out there. It's unfeeling to suggest she did pnwmom Sep 2014 #57
Cough .... ahem. Why are you "suggesting" that I "suggested" such a thing? MADem Sep 2014 #61
Because in your "doubt" you planted the suggestion. pnwmom Sep 2014 #63
What you just did was accuse me in a nasty and uncivil fashion of doing something I did not do. MADem Sep 2014 #65
It was yesterday JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #5
This was all over the news this morning. Not everyone is MineralMan Sep 2014 #17
Ahhh JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #40
Are you familiar with Steven Moffat? Laelth Sep 2014 #6
No, I'm not familiar with that person or show. MineralMan Sep 2014 #14
I will never accept Steven Moffat as a good writer. randome Sep 2014 #71
That's the chance you take if you take nude photos or videos. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #7
Perhaps. My focus, though, is not about why people MineralMan Sep 2014 #22
I agree it's a crime. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #24
This thread, and others discussing this non-political issue, will probably MADem Sep 2014 #29
More so the original thread. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #34
I had heard about that Anderson/Lee tape but I've never seen any of that stuff. MADem Sep 2014 #42
Lol! RiffRandell Sep 2014 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Sep 2014 #44
Oh, I don't think anyone knows anything of the sort! MADem Sep 2014 #47
I'm glad you know so much about her. Care to tell us more about her that we might not know? HERVEPA Sep 2014 #49
No one cared about the Favre and Weiner pics RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #9
Sacred? Really? MineralMan Sep 2014 #15
You mean the photos that terminated Weiners whistler162 Sep 2014 #19
Yeah they were posted all over DU RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #20
He deliberately sent them over the open internet. JL did not. pnwmom Sep 2014 #78
If everybody everywhere had nude pictures, fadedrose Sep 2014 #10
A lot of relationships will end because of this. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #11
Could be, I suppose. MineralMan Sep 2014 #18
Naked bodies depress the fuck outta me. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #21
I'm actually pretty indifferent to them. MineralMan Sep 2014 #23
There's plenty of stuff much worthier of being sad and depressed about. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #25
Times have changed... Mike Nelson Sep 2014 #26
Why take photos of your naked self rusty fender Sep 2014 #30
She didn't post them online. What she did was no different pnwmom Sep 2014 #67
If she hadn't taken rusty fender Sep 2014 #107
You are victim- blaming. pnwmom Sep 2014 #108
It is not the same rusty fender Sep 2014 #122
It is exactly the same. A woman could choose to go outside alone at night. pnwmom Sep 2014 #123
And you belittle actual rape victims rusty fender Sep 2014 #124
No I do not. And you certainly are not a rape victim yourself or you wouldn't pnwmom Sep 2014 #125
I'm not the one who thinks that a rusty fender Sep 2014 #129
They ARE equivalent in kind though not in degree. Are you smart enough to understand the difference? pnwmom Sep 2014 #130
You just lost the argument rusty fender Sep 2014 #131
Guess what? A crime victim is a crime victim. Period. End of story. alp227 Sep 2014 #128
It's really sad that a lot of people missed your entire point. Kalidurga Sep 2014 #33
Seems like she may have some issues of her own. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #51
I doubt if the person is female. pnwmom Sep 2014 #68
Yeh, I guess you're right. I see (s)he got a hide and did a self-delete HERVEPA Sep 2014 #74
Are you seriously asking why anyone would want to see a naked photo of a beautiful person? Marr Sep 2014 #36
She DID take the precautions to secure her data. It was SUPPOSED pnwmom Sep 2014 #69
That's a bit like saying Ford is responsible for your car being stolen, because Marr Sep 2014 #73
Not logically it isn't. pnwmom Sep 2014 #77
Nothing is truly secure on the internet. Marr Sep 2014 #79
I could put my wallet stuffed full of cash on a public sidewalk... randome Sep 2014 #80
Exactly. If it's out on the net other people can get ahold of it. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #105
You can opt out of iCloud. I would not put sensitive data in any cloud emulatorloo Sep 2014 #81
I didn't turn mine on. But I can understand that many neophytes don't know what the pnwmom Sep 2014 #85
Control of women through slut shaming and humiliation, that's why. Warpy Sep 2014 #38
I didn't know about it until I read this OP. How about everyone stop talking about it sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #45
Way to go. Just, way to go. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #50
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #60
Well said. emulatorloo Sep 2014 #82
I miss a lot of interesting stuff when I'm not on DU lunatica Sep 2014 #72
Silly question... pfitz59 Sep 2014 #76
They can just Google The Fappening. Reddit is all over it. 4chan is as well. flvegan Sep 2014 #91
Lol, you were probably first to search n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #94
Nope. It's interesting that you would think that, though. MineralMan Sep 2014 #98
The saddest part of all these events, to me, is the crap security of the Internet. riqster Sep 2014 #102
With all that's wrong with the world... fadedrose Sep 2014 #106
No, the saddest part is that images of their bodies are being traded as/for currency. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #110
You make a good point. Without the demand for it, MineralMan Sep 2014 #127
if there was no demand, would it even happen? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #111
That's an excellent question. MineralMan Sep 2014 #126

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
16. Not everyone does. Personally, I turn my focus to driving
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

especially defensively in those situations and keep my eye on traffic. If everyone did that, it would be a less dangerous situation. You may be right, though, about the motivation. Again, it makes me sad.

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. yes but they aren't being PAID for this
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:22 AM
Sep 2014

The entire point of being a celebrity is that people will pay to look at you.

However, in order to maximize the return, it is important to control the supply. What has happened here is like Debeers losing control of the volume of diamonds on the market.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
83. "revenge porn" happens to ordinary victims regularly
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:18 PM
Sep 2014

What we have here is enhanced by the economic value of controlling the exposure of famous people, whose vast incomes are a consequence of being paid to be seen.

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
12. Victim blaming is victim blaming.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:34 AM
Sep 2014

I don't care why they took the photos. Why would I? They were not intended for public viewing, so I won't go looking for them. Why would I?

Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
54. She had her photos on what she thought was a private device,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

the same as having them on a computer at home. She didn't realize that someone could hack into them from a distance.

Why is it degrading for a woman to take a nude photo?

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
28. These pictures were taken from private accounts
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:20 AM
Sep 2014

Jennifer Lawrence's were taken from her Cloud storage. Which I never understood how anyone would think the Cloud a safe place to store anything of importance. Others were taken from private emails.

From what I understand many of these pictures were taken for boyfriend/girlfriends and in private settings. These were not photoshoots that these celebs were hoping to never see the light of day. These were things they did in private with their significant other.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #56)

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
59. This is a private website, not run by the government. You don't have a 'right' to "freedom of
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:54 PM
Sep 2014

speech" here, ann.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
62. Well, hey, if you didn't want people to hide your posts
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe you shouldn't have made them in the first place.

Sound familiar?

alp227

(31,959 posts)
75. There are 1000s of other "anything goes" forums then.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014

Enjoy yourself anywhere else...of course there's the trade-off between your freedom to talk trash and the kinds of netizens you're surrounded with.

Response to alp227 (Reply #75)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
84. Your posting history indicates you've
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:25 PM
Sep 2014

managed to say all sorts of horrible shit, even with DU's limitations. I'm glad somebody is finally onto your game.

Response to ann--- (Reply #58)

Response to pnwmom (Reply #56)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
90. She did NOT post the photos on a website. She used her phone to take pictures
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:52 PM
Sep 2014

and didn't realize some hacker could break into her iPhone photos in the cloud.

Slut-shaming isn't allowed here, and that's what you did -- literally. If you're not comfortable avoiding that then you should avoid DU.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #90)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
96. You called her that name in a post that was hidden -- as you know.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:19 AM
Sep 2014

And she did not "post" her photos online. You were lying about that. Someone took her picture with her personal camera, and she didn't realize that the photos would go to the cloud or that that iCloud was hackable. Apple didn't either, so you can hardly blame her.

If you really think there is anything immoral about putting your own nude photos on your own camera, phone, or computer, then you really don't belong on a progressive website.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #96)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
99. Victim blaming is not acceptable here. And, no, taking pictures on your own phone
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:13 AM
Sep 2014

for your own purposes is not objectifying anyone.

And neither is it immoral. No one would have been harmed if Apple hadn't had a bug in its software that allowed the hack to occur.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #99)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
103. First you say people may be victims if someone hacks into their private online photos
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:49 AM
Sep 2014

and makes them public.

Then you say people who put their 'naked photos' on an iPhone are not victims if someone hacks into them and makes them public.

Apparently, you think the content of the photo affects whether the person is a victim or not. This makes no sense.

I don't know what her purpose was, but it could have been art. She has a beautiful body, and beautiful bodies have always been used to make art. Who are YOU to say that wasn't her purpose?

She took the pictures on a camera that happens to be on her phone. For many people these days, that is the only camera they own. So what?

Response to pnwmom (Reply #103)

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
119. Since you dug the hole all the way to China
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:26 PM
Sep 2014

you might as well stop. What kind of progressive voice is so afraid of nudity that they make multiple posts to shame women who take private photos of themselves? This sort of Comstockery is way more disgusting than any nude photos might be because it indicates a form of self-loathing bluenosedness. Whatever it is that you hoped to accomplish by shaming the actress, you've really only managed to expose yourself. Hint: No one thinks she's the one who looks bad here.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
120. Sorry
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:36 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't know that having a different opinion from the "popular" one was a crime. My gawd. You have it all wrong.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
112. That is like saying anything you bring into a home is liable to be burglarized, ergo
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

it is the owner's fault for bringing it home. There is a thing called a "reasonable expectation of privacy."


Those of us who have different standards believe it is.

You have "standards." Some of us have fun.


It is not "art" which has been acceptable for eons. It is exposing your body in photos - period.

And?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus


I don't know much about art but I know what I like.

Response to mercuryblues (Reply #113)

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
116. you keep
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:05 PM
Sep 2014

insisting that they put them online.

Why are you BLAMING the victims, not the criminals?

Why are you BLAMING the victims, not the CRIMINALS?


Listen, If I want to take pics of myself, with my own phone, they are my property. Anyone who breaks into my phone is committing a CRIME.


SO again


WHY ARE YOU BLAMING THE VICTIMS, NOT THE CRIMINALS? Did YOU help perpetuate this crime? IS this a way to alleviate some of YOUR guilt over YOUR assist in this CRIME?

Response to mercuryblues (Reply #116)

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
118. YES
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:20 PM
Sep 2014

you are, by claiming that "they should have known" among the various other ways. ou keep saying because the photos were ther in the 1st place.... It was their PROPERTY that was HACKED by CRIMINALS. No different than if someone broke into their home and stole hard copies.

You have doubled and tripled down on it, then deny.

SO much so that I wonder if you helped in the hack.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #99)

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
43. Most of them had to be photographed nekkid to become celebrities
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
Sep 2014

The casting couch is still in use in Hollywood, for instance.

It's not as simple as it once was. Polaroids (state of the art in the 60s) fade over time and few women my age who had dirty pictures taken by and for boyfriends can be haunted by them now.

Eventually online formats will change so drastically that women with public personas can no longer be slut shamed by the Playboy style photos that were in their unofficial portfolio.

It would be a great help if women didn't blame other women for this stuff. We're only the targets and all we can do is modify our reactions to it. Men are the ones who need to clean up their acts.

Or we leave them.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
32. Why ask why?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:41 AM
Sep 2014

No seriously. Mineral Man had a philosophical question of sorts. So why do you ask why? Is it your philosophy to question the question always or just when you want to snark?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. This thread is useless without...never mind.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

Those who search for them will likely be disappointed, too, when they don't find the airbrushed and 'enhanced' aspects they expected.
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MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Although I doubt it in this case, celebrities have been known to leak stuff and
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:15 AM
Sep 2014

claim a hack. It's all part of the "viral publicity" meme. So long as the name is spelled right, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

There is a well-known "reality television star" whose claim to fame is a sex tape. She parlayed that "leak" into a multi-million dollar family empire. Another fashionable heiress did the same, and even went on Saturday Night Live to snark about it.

https://screen.yahoo.com/paris-hilton-double-entendres-000000396.html

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
57. JL is already the most bankable female actor out there. It's unfeeling to suggest she did
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:50 PM
Sep 2014

this on purpose -- or that any of the other victims did, for that matter.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. Cough .... ahem. Why are you "suggesting" that I "suggested" such a thing?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

Go back and actually READ what I wrote. I did the OPPOSITE of suggesting--I cast DOUBT on the possibility.

Thanks in advance for reading comprehensively.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. What you just did was accuse me in a nasty and uncivil fashion of doing something I did not do.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:00 PM
Sep 2014

Your issues with the written word are certainly NOT my problem, and my remarks throughout this thread back up MY POV, and not yours.

You should be embarrassed that you have a need to accuse me of something I didn't do in that fashion. Not sure what you get out of it, but it really is uncivil and it makes DU stink on ice.

And on edit--I wrote this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5473838

well before you came after me with those nasty insinuations. I think you really need to check yourself, and maybe read the whole thread, before you cherry-pick and accuse people of viewpoints they don't hold.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
5. It was yesterday
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:19 AM
Sep 2014

That all the huge hits went down. I wouldn't touch those pics with a ten foot pole today . . .

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
17. This was all over the news this morning. Not everyone is
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:47 AM
Sep 2014

online all the time, so the morning news is where many people heard of this for the very first time. Today will see a huge number of searches for these photos.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
40. Ahhh
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sep 2014

Didn't watch the news this morning. I have a Homeland Security aspect of my job so in our world of wireless communications and devices - it was yesterday. Woke up to an alert text.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Are you familiar with Steven Moffat?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

He is the writer for a UK comedy show called "Coupling" and he's also the lead writer for Doctor Who.

What he argued in the episode called "Inferno" is relevant here.

We face a Nietzchean dilemma on this issue. Do we accept people for what they are and embrace humanity for what it is? Or do we advocate for the annihilation (or re-education, perhaps) of those whose actions do not comport with our own ethics?

Each of us must make this decision individually.

-Laelth

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
14. No, I'm not familiar with that person or show.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:37 AM
Sep 2014

Of course each person makes his or her own decisions on this and most other things. I have an opinion about it. My decision was to post that opinion. No dilemma I can see.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
71. I will never accept Steven Moffat as a good writer.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sep 2014

He can't write women characters without descending into tired cliches. And what he did to "A Good Man Goes To War, Part 2" (Oh, wait, there never was a Part 2, was there?) is the 'highlight' of his career for me.

I am so over him.
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RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
7. That's the chance you take if you take nude photos or videos.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

I do feel bad for the people, but look at how many views the original thread has racked up.

If only it were James Franco!

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
22. Perhaps. My focus, though, is not about why people
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
Sep 2014

take such photos themselves or have others take them. Instead, it is about those who seek them out once they've been compromised. I'm certain that I won't see any of them. None of the places I go on the Internet will publish them, and I won't be looking for them. If a person wants to see them, they have to take positive action to find them, unless they're already frequenting sites that will be posting the photos.

It is a choice. That people make the choice to go looking for such things is what saddens me. As far as I know, there are no revealing photos of my naked self in existence. That was a choice, too. However, if I had chosen to do that, I'd expect to be able to keep them as private as I chose. Not everyone knows that just about any storage involving the Internet is not secure. Many people believe the services that provide "secure" storage can actually guarantee that.

But, it's not the fault of the people who stored those photos. The fault for their distribution is on the backs of Internet criminals. I don't do victim blaming.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
24. I agree it's a crime.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:00 AM
Sep 2014

I also think the hackers should be charged and punished. I believe some already have; a few years ago the same thing happened to ScarJo.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. This thread, and others discussing this non-political issue, will probably
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

compel more than a few people to go looking for those pictures now, when before they looked at the thread, they never had a thought in their head to do such a thing!!

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
34. More so the original thread.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

I don't think it should be censored. I'm on MIRT and noticed a troll with a link and we nuked him.

It's up to the individual to do the right thing.

Remember the Pam Anderson/Tommy Lee tape? They ended up turning it into a profit...I saw is as it was on the market and all I have to say is that the rumors about him are true.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. I had heard about that Anderson/Lee tape but I've never seen any of that stuff.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
Sep 2014

It's not prudishness, and it's not "Oh, I would NEVER be a voyeur in that fashion!" ... I'm just not that interested in all these nekkid people. They aren't people I really care about or follow closely, so ... eh! If someone showed me a picture I wouldn't get all affronted and look away, I'd probably say "What were they thinking?"

I always thought that Tommy Lee was a pretty ugly looking guy, so I guess hidden assets can be compelling!

Response to MADem (Reply #29)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Oh, I don't think anyone knows anything of the sort!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

I have no idea how she feels about it, because I don't know her and she hasn't issued a statement saying "I'm loving the publicity" now has she? She's at the height of her marketability--it doesn't seem like the right time to pull this kind of publicity stunt.

These kinds of things are done to get press and stand out from a crowd when one is first getting started, or to get some publicity after one's star has started to fade.

JL is at the top of her game right now, she doesn't need the publicity. She's got more than enough without this.

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
15. Sacred? Really?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:38 AM
Sep 2014

I'm not even talking about the pictures themselves. I'm talking about people's apparent fascination with them.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
78. He deliberately sent them over the open internet. JL did not.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

Apple promised to hold data securely, and it apparently failed to do so.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-01/celebrity-nude-photo-hack-may-be-breach-of-apple-s-icloud

Apple has fixed a bug in its “Find My iPhone” software that may have allowed hackers to gain access to the celebrity iCloud accounts, the Engadget technology website reported, citing developers.

Trudy Muller, a spokeswoman for Apple, didn’t return an e-mail and phone messages seeking comment. The company is closed for the U.S. Labor Day holiday.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
10. If everybody everywhere had nude pictures,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
Sep 2014

there would be more demand for photos of people with clothes. especially when they've started to age.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
11. A lot of relationships will end because of this.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:31 AM
Sep 2014

In the Upton pics there are peppered in a few random women no one has ever seen before. Which is more likely, Kate Upton save nudes of random chicks or Verlander was acting like a baseball player on the road?

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
23. I'm actually pretty indifferent to them.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:58 AM
Sep 2014

It's just about impossible not to have seen photos of people naked. That humans have bodies isn't any sort of surprise. I see my own on a daily basis. I see those of others from time to time, and have seen many during my life. I find them unremarkable, really.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. There's plenty of stuff much worthier of being sad and depressed about.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:00 AM
Sep 2014

And I have a feeling that quite a few of these celebrities would prefer to have people searching for nude pictures of them on the internet than nobody at all searching for them on the internet.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
30. Why take photos of your naked self
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:26 AM
Sep 2014

in the first place, and second, why post them online?

I don't judge whether the phenomenon is sad or happy; I don't know why people do it.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
67. She didn't post them online. What she did was no different
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:05 PM
Sep 2014

than if she had them stored on her computer, that happened to have an internet connection.

Her iphone was supposed to be secure, but the hacker broke into it and posted her pictures online -- not JL.

Why she took the pictures is none of our business. To even ask the question is a form of victim-blaming.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
108. You are victim- blaming.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

Same as saying that if a rape victim hadn't been outside at night, she wouldn't be been raped.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
122. It is not the same
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 02:49 PM
Sep 2014

The celebrity chose to take off her clothes, she chose to use a camera phone. Taking naked pix of yourself is not a passive activity.

You are equating rape victims with celebrity pix. NOT THE SAME!!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
123. It is exactly the same. A woman could choose to go outside alone at night.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:07 PM
Sep 2014

She could choose to go outside alone at night in a skimpy skirt. These are not passive activities.

These activities still do not make her responsible for a rape.

What happened to JL was a massive invasion of privacy, and as damaging emotionally as if someone had punched her in public -- maybe more so, because no idiots would be blaming her if she had been punched.

You are equating "celebrity pix" with personal, private photos being stolen and posted on the internet.

They are not the same!

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
124. And you belittle actual rape victims
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:23 PM
Sep 2014

by equating a hacked picture of a celebrity with someone who has been raped. Wow, just wow.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
125. No I do not. And you certainly are not a rape victim yourself or you wouldn't
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:31 PM
Sep 2014

say such a stupid thing.

Both a rape and what happened to JL were personal violations. The damage is of course different in terms of degree. But in neither case is the victim in any way to blame for the criminal act.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
129. I'm not the one who thinks that a
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:29 AM
Sep 2014

a hacked celebrity photo is equivalent to the crime of rape. And you accuse me of saying stupid things?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
130. They ARE equivalent in kind though not in degree. Are you smart enough to understand the difference?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:34 AM
Sep 2014

alp227

(31,959 posts)
128. Guess what? A crime victim is a crime victim. Period. End of story.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 04:04 PM
Sep 2014

YOU do not get to blame a crime victim for the crime, EVER.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
33. It's really sad that a lot of people missed your entire point.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:42 AM
Sep 2014

I especially like Ann the victim blamer.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
74. Yeh, I guess you're right. I see (s)he got a hide and did a self-delete
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sep 2014

I guess that's why it sounded off to me.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
36. Are you seriously asking why anyone would want to see a naked photo of a beautiful person?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure to try the pizza.

I hate to say it, but there are only two people to blame in a situation like this. The hacker, who is an irritating blight, and the celebrity, who really should've known better. This technology has been around long enough that people should be expected to take the most basic precautions to secure their data. And if you can't do that, well... if you aren't comfortable with the world seeing a picture, don't take it.

Honestly, I would advise any celebrity not to take such pictures even if they're experts with internet security. I can't imagine there's any shortage of perverts at the NSA, and they're going to have a backdoor into some step in the process, you can be certain.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
69. She DID take the precautions to secure her data. It was SUPPOSED
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:08 PM
Sep 2014

to be held securely by Apple. Blame Apple for fooling millions of customers, not JL.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
73. That's a bit like saying Ford is responsible for your car being stolen, because
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

the door locks didn't stop the thieves.

In my experience, most security failures are really the fault of the user. They make themselves vulnerable by poor choice of passwords or using the same one in multiple places, letting malware in, etc., etc. Ford can't protect your car from theft if you park it in the darkest alley in worst neighborhood you can find.

You just shouldn't take a picture these days if you can't accept the idea of the world seeing it. It sucks, but it's true-- and much more so for celebrities.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
77. Not logically it isn't.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014

Ford doesn't say it will take responsibility for your car when you're not using it.

Apple offers to take control of your iPhone's data and tells you it has your data held securely.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-01/celebrity-nude-photo-hack-may-be-breach-of-apple-s-icloud

Apple has fixed a bug in its “Find My iPhone” software that may have allowed hackers to gain access to the celebrity iCloud accounts, the Engadget technology website reported, citing developers.

Trudy Muller, a spokeswoman for Apple, didn’t return an e-mail and phone messages seeking comment. The company is closed for the U.S. Labor Day holiday.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
79. Nothing is truly secure on the internet.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

If Apple-- or anyone else-- promises absolute security, they're lying. I feel sorry for Ms. Lawrence, who is probably the ten millionth celebrity to demonstrate that fact, but... there you go. It's still true. If you don't want the world to see it, don't make it digital.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
80. I could put my wallet stuffed full of cash on a public sidewalk...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

...and it would still be the fault of someone who picked it up and ran off with it.

But I would still be stupid for putting it there in the first place.
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leftyladyfrommo

(18,815 posts)
105. Exactly. If it's out on the net other people can get ahold of it.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:02 AM
Sep 2014

And why do people continue to send e-mails with stuff that gets them into a world of trouble? You would think they would figure that out. If it needs to be private don't use the internet. And don't use a cell phone.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
81. You can opt out of iCloud. I would not put sensitive data in any cloud
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014

But that is just me.

You have to deliberately turn on iCloud, just want to clarify that to other readers because you seem to suggest otherwise.

ON EDIT: do not manipulate my words and try to claim I am saying anything other than what I am saying which is:

- I personally would not store sensitive data in "the cloud."

P.S. Hackers should be jailed.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
85. I didn't turn mine on. But I can understand that many neophytes don't know what the
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

effect is of turning it on. Apple does NOT warn you. This is a 24 year old actor. She probably isn't a big tech expert.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
38. Control of women through slut shaming and humiliation, that's why.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

My own response, had I ever posed for a dirty Polaroid (the state of the art back when anybody wanted to see me nekkid) would likely have been "Yeah, we all have bodies and yours should look so good." Besides, do you know what happens to a Polaroid after 50 years?

My response to rape threats when I was moderating political chat online 20 years ago was "with whose dick?" as I changed the hour time out into a three week ban and blocked his PMs.

I've been that despised minority within a minority within a minority in political struggle long enough to have developed a hide like a rhino. It's only younger women in their 20s who can be intimidated by this garbage. It's usually women who have achieved any amount of fame who are most likely to be heavily slut shamed by men in prolonged adolescence who are outraged that a mere woman has achieved more than they can ever hope to.

This behavior is not our problem, it's men's problem. Our problem is how we react to it.





sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. I didn't know about it until I read this OP. How about everyone stop talking about it
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:21 PM
Sep 2014

and spreading the word so that more people find out about it and start searching and clicking?

Thanks for the info, though I have no interest in the subject OTHER THAN to point out how these things go viral. Now back to what this site is supposed to be about ....

leftstreet

(36,078 posts)
60. +1
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:54 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't know about it either, but logging on DU last night I noticed a thread with almost 100,000 views. !! In all my years here I don't think I've ever seen a thread with that many views. Naturally it was about the celebrities and their leaked nude photos, and obviously Google searches had something to do with it.

Ugh.

Millionaire celebrities freak over un-airbrushed nude photos. Oh, the humanity!

flvegan

(64,389 posts)
91. They can just Google The Fappening. Reddit is all over it. 4chan is as well.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

What's sad is that with all the porn on the internet, people are spending every waking moment looking at/for this crap.

I will say that this is quite the interesting study on how the internet works. I'm also interested in how Apple comes out of this.

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
98. Nope. It's interesting that you would think that, though.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 09:06 AM
Sep 2014

I haven't looked and won't look for any of those images.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
102. The saddest part of all these events, to me, is the crap security of the Internet.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:43 AM
Sep 2014

And of digital devices overall. Deregulation sucks.

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
127. You make a good point. Without the demand for it,
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

there would be no reason to hack people's private files and sell them. I believe the demand is driving the supply, so I find it saddest that people are looking for this stuff.

I wonder what the count is for searches for "Jennifer Lawrence naked" over the past couple of days. Very high, I assume.

Demand leads to people hoping to exploit that demand.

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
126. That's an excellent question.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:51 PM
Sep 2014

Of course, the demand exists, so there is a market for that stuff, and people who are trying to exploit that market. Sad, all around.

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