The ISIS boogeyman is gonna get ya........

[marmar]

I briefly tried tuning in to MSNBC and CNN this morning for a quick news synopsis, and got a whole lot of ISIS scaremongering. They're serving up a buffet of bullshit.
Fool me once (and many of us weren't even fooled once), shame on you........

[Skink]

1. gotta try life without cable

[3rdwaydem]

2. ISIS is to be taken seriously

Unless you have some special knowledge that President Obama, our government and media are unaware of, your post is wholly unfounded. ISIS is a serious threat.

[marmar]

3. You can take it as seriously as you want.

I'm not worried about being blown up at Starbucks. Sorry.

[grahamhgreen]

4. Yeah, we know our projection of violence in the Middle East creates more terrorists, not fewer.

[3rdwaydem]

14. Likely so! However, regardless as to whether we are aggravated

the situation, they are, nonetheless, a serious threat.

[grahamhgreen]

16. Disagree. Our own military sucks so nuch of our counties wealth, that it is destroying us. ISIS is

Part of a 1400 year old Sunni - Shia war, that we can never solve. They are no threat to us if we lead by example.

[merrily]

28. Time to win hearts and minds again? Because that's been working since Vietnam?

[PSPS]

6. You bet!

It's going to happen sooner rather than later. Any time now, they'll be flying their bombers over New York and Washington!!11!! Their submarines and ICBM's will destroy everything!!11!! And don't forget that their tanks are massing just across the border in Mexico!!1!

I think their headquarters looks something like this, only even more AWESOME!

[grahamhgreen]

18. Their base is actually like the Fortress of Solitude, or the Batcave. Super-terrorists, they are!

Ps - oh yeAh, cool graphic! Such a lie.

[merrily]

32. Assume they will. What strategies do we have to stop them?

Did we stop Osama and Atta? We had been on notice since the Munich Olympics (if not sooner) that we might not be as beloved as we were right after World War II. Did we stop the Marathon bombers? We'd had two warnings from the Russians.

Does backing dictators like the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein or the Saudi royal family do it?

Does war do it, assuming that, in ten, twenty or fifty years, we might want to try a withdrawal?

Or are we prepared to lose blood and treasure forever in the Middle East?

And let's assume we are: Which of the above strategies has done anything but produce more people who hate us and want to kill us?

[sammythecat]

7. Of course it's to be taken seriously,

and there are many other problems we're facing that should be taken seriously. But, unlike our slow, or lack of, response to climate change, alternative energies, education, health care, poverty, oligarchy, etc., our response to ISIS will be relatively swift and wildly expensive. Gotta keep that military gravy train movin'.

As to the "special knowledge", you may recall that hundreds of millions around the world had special knowledge in 2002 that President Bush, our government, and media were unaware of. Or so they said.

[magical thyme]

10. Quick -- time to get out the plastic sheeting and duct tape!!!!!

TERRA!TERRA1TERRA!

[sabrina 1]

22. So was Al Queda. You are free to take it as seriously as you want. I find the biggest threat to our

National Security is the millions of people without HC. I consider the deaths of 44, 000 citizens due to lack of HC, that is half a million people, to be far more serious than the latest band of funded terrorists, mostly created by our previous interventions which haven't gone so well for millions of people. Funny how NOT dangerous the deaths of over a million Iraqis is, or the 4 million formerly fairly comfortable Iraqis who we drove out of their country into refugee camps in both Jordan and Syria where they are AGAIN being displaced due our continuing destabilization, thanks neocons, of that region.

How much did we care about those innocent civilians, about the civilians in Libya AFTER we destabilized that now-failed state where innocents are and have been under attack since we accomplished our goal of controlling their oil. The country is now under the control of the very militias we armed.

Not going to be fooled again, we face bigger threats right here that BADLY need attention and MONEY.

We are definitely not the ones to 'fix' ISIS. Would you call the plumber who destroyed your plumbing back to fix it after he destroyed it?

[grahamhgreen]

5. We've got to bomb them over there, to create more terrorists over here.

[Nye Bevan]

8. Yeah, stupid ridiculous warnings like "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"

are best ignored.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US

[Little Star]

9. +1

[Rhinodawg]

13. Apparently you are in the minority here.

I've noticed any discussion of terrorism is met with ridicule and derision...with the common accusation of being a fear monger/war monger/scaremonger.

Why is that ?

[TwilightGardener]

19. Proof that when really angry, nutsy people say they're going to do something, it's

probably best to believe them.

[grahamhgreen]

20. Ya don't fight crime with war, duh. Proven 100% in Iraq.

[merrily]

27. How many terrorists did that war, the war in Afghanistan and our other "adventures" create?

[grahamhgreen]

43. 20,000 at least. See ISIS.

[sabrina 1]

23. Apparently they are best ignored. Has anything been DONE about that crime? Last I heard medals

were handed out to the criminals who ignored those warnings and then went on to create ISIS among other things.

So yes, it has been determined that warnings like that ARE best ignored. Can you show me any official objection to that criminal behavior? I have waited over a decade to hear that. All I heard was that we were 'moving forward' and we have, sadly.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. Maybe Obama can ignore ISIS long enough to win himself a medal. nt

[sabrina 1]

39. Apparently he is trying to resist the drumbeats from the warmongers. I support him on that.

However, they are not easily appeased and know how to apply pressure. Which is why it is up to the PEOPLE to support his obvious resistance to those pressures.

As for medals, you only get them when you are enthusiastic about the invasions of other people's countries, see Bush's choices for medals. If he actually wants a medal, which I doubt, he will have to be as enthusiastic as Cheney/Bush about running around the world killing people. I don't think he is.

[merrily]

35. Well, that ship sailed-and sunk. What have we done since then that has worked out for

anyone but politicians and the MIC?

Please see my Reply 32.

[flamingdem]

12. You're missing the point

The US is stuck with it's leadership role. Obama doesn't want to deal with Iraq. He has called for a political solution and has worked towards involving other countries.

Australia is arming the Peshmerga, we are not.

The Repukes are the problem as usual. Please make a clear separation.

So far the airstrikes have been justified. The Iraq army is incompetent for the most part.

I agree if it keeps dragging on and costing though but for now it seems reasonable considering the disaster created by the Bush Administration.

[TwilightGardener]

17. No, we're arming the Kurds. We've asked other countries to also arm them,

and we're coordinating the efforts.

[flamingdem]

41. From what I've read they are not arming them

officially. Have you seen otherwise?

The Australians are arming them officially. That distinction seems important in terms of approach.

[TwilightGardener]

42. Yes, here:

http://news.yahoo.com/seven-western-states-join-us-arm-kurds-iraq-190554678.html

I think the only question is whether we're shipping directly to the Kurds or going through the Iraqi government.

[grahamhgreen]

21. The Iraq army is not incompetent, they are complicit. They gave weapons to ISIS, and some have joine

[merrily]

36. Huh? You're replying to the OP. The OP was about media, not about Obama arming anyone.

This was the entire OP:

The ISIS boogeyman is gonna get ya........

I briefly tried tuning in to MSNBC and CNN this morning for a quick news synopsis, and got a whole lot of ISIS scaremongering. They're serving up a buffet of bullshit.
Fool me once (and many of us weren't even fooled once), shame on you........

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. As we speak they're preparing to launch their massive fleet to invade Strawberry Point, Iowa.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H.L. Mencken

[merrily]

38. And the Shock Doctrine

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name directed by Michael Winterbottom.[1] The book argues that libertarian free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy by some political leaders. These leaders exploit crises to push through controversial exploitative policies while citizens are too emotionally and physically distracted by disasters or upheavals to mount an effective resistance. The book implies that some man-made crises, such as the Iraq war, may have been created with the intention of pushing through these unpopular policies in their wake

.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

However I think we created Isis out of sheer stupid warmongering. But, since it arose, the politicians will make the most of it. And we probably won't stop them. More guns, even less butter.

And marmar is right: Our corporate, pro-establishment media, which pretended to soul search (for a minute and a half) after the Iraq War will beat the drums of war yet again.

[Corruption Inc]

24. They're following the textbook propaganda plan: soon they'll kill ISIS #2

and all the brainwashed/blood thirsty war mongers will be giggling like the possessed child in The Exorcist.

[malaise]

25. All bullshit...all the time

Fool me once (and many of us weren't even fooled once), shame on you........

[merrily]

26. Well, Isis might indeed get me. But, I prefer to die one death, not one thousand.

Imagine if Julius Caesar had done nothing but sit around worrying which of his friends or enemies or which force of nature was going to kill him.

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.

William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar

[Mr Dixon]

29. SMH

Smells like the same old stick, scare the public and we’re off to War and the defense contractor are lining up to cash in. The media drives the narrative after they receive their talking points from the 1% and then wash and repeat in 24/hour cycle and before you know it half the public is ready for War. Enlist some poor/middle class people for the front –lines, shield the 1% kids and away we go…….SMH.

[merrily]

33. Remember

The Maine!

The Lusitania!

All the ships in Pearl Harbor!

The World Trade Center!

Aw, fuck it. Just live in a permanent state of fear and we'll use that to justify everything.

Terra! Terra! Terra! Forever.

[Mr Dixon]

40. Agreed

Agreed

[sorefeet]

30. My entire life 62 years

has been some kind of fear. From Santa Claus to burning in hell, to the commies are coming, now it's the muslims are going to chop my head off in the richest, safest most protected country on the planet. We spend 600 billion dollars a year on our military, for me to live in fear???? I smell a rat and it's called congress.

[merrily]

34. And that's not counting $ spent the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and all the others who failed us.

But, it's not only Congress. We do, in this country have a civilian Commander in Chief. And he oversees the Pentagon, not vice versa, as JFK proved.

[seveneyes]

31. The Voice