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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,741 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:30 PM Sep 2014

Race Issues Raised When Oakland Firefighter, Kids Detained By Police Officer

OAKLAND (KPIX 5) — A black Oakland firefighter has filed a complaint with the Oakland Police Department after he and his young kids were detained by a white police officer outside the station where the firefighter worked.

It was 10:45 p.m., after a recent Raiders game. Veteran firefighter Keith Jones and his two sons, ages 9 and 12, were walking back to their SUV at Station 29. A fire crew responding to an emergency had forgotten to close the garage door. Jones went in to make sure everything was secure.

As Jones walked out, he said a police officer, responding to a possible burglary in progress, yelled “Don’t move, put your hands up.”

“And his hand is on his gun. He was crouched, he was low, and he was basically in a shooting stance,” Jones said.

Jones complied, but noticed his 9-year-old son Trevon was starting to cry. The officer saw the two kids first and had already told them to raise their hands.

Jones said he told the officer that he was an Oakland firefighter, that he worked at the station and that they were his kids. He asked the officer to allow his kids to lower their hands and tell them everything is OK. Jones said the officer told them to keep their hands up and not to move.

The firefighter said this lasted for a few minutes.

“I’m pretty much thinking he’s going to pretty much shoot me,” Jones said.

“I was thinking is he going to shoot my dad the whole time,” said 12-year-old Keith Jones II.

“I was getting ready about to cry. My hands started to get tired, but I kept them up,” said 9-year-old Trevon Jones.

Eventually, the lone officer allowed Jones to reach into his pocket and show his firefighter ID. Jones said the incident traumatized his kids and changed their perception of police officers.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/29/race-issues-raised-when-oakland-firefighter-kids-detained-by-police-officer-opd-keith-jones-station-29-profiling/

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Race Issues Raised When Oakland Firefighter, Kids Detained By Police Officer (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 OP
Sue the racist fucker malaise Sep 2014 #1
Goddamn, man. ENOUGH of this shit already. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #2
Free money! XemaSab Sep 2014 #3
Yes, if you think traumatizing those kids is without justiceischeap Sep 2014 #18
I wasn't referring to the OP XemaSab Sep 2014 #19
Oh, there will be some kick back from this. Like a perp takes his kids to vandalize a..Fire Station? libdem4life Sep 2014 #4
This is going to happen... SummerSnow Sep 2014 #5
Pitiful. No Vested Interest Sep 2014 #6
Walking "back" to their SUV -- from where? rocktivity Sep 2014 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2014 #8
It would help enormously if the story had made that clear rocktivity Sep 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2014 #10
Yes, it's an easily walkable distance and the father saved the steep parking lot fee. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #16
Nope tazkcmo Sep 2014 #11
DING DING DING! Tazkcmo, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Sep 2014 #15
Both your posts make it sound like you think Jones is at fault and should be interogated. cui bono Sep 2014 #12
You can rest assured that I am far more annoyed with the reporter rocktivity Sep 2014 #14
A rare occasion of OPD responding to a burglary in progress call and they end up doing this. figures mulsh Sep 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2014 #17
As a former East Oakland resident, I concur. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #20
file a report via email?! nt daredtowork Sep 2014 #22
I've been saying... daredtowork Sep 2014 #21
While Oakland Practice Human Rights Violations Against the Poor, Get a Load of this Cop daredtowork Sep 2014 #23
Officer body camera footage Bonx Sep 2014 #24
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
2. Goddamn, man. ENOUGH of this shit already.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:01 PM
Sep 2014

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: The DoJ *needs* to clean house in a lotta places; there are a fair number of incompetent, and/or corrupt, cops, that could use the proverbial boot to the ass.

My condolences go out to the Jones family. They *did not* deserve to be put thru this kind of trauma.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
18. Yes, if you think traumatizing those kids is without
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

a price, sure it's free money. Those kids and that father were all afraid of being killed. Imagine being 9 or 12 and instead of thinking a police officer is going to keep you safe, you're actually afraid he's going to kill you simply because the color of your skin is different. Hell, it happens often enough that those kids and father had valid fear.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
5. This is going to happen...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:35 PM
Sep 2014

The Police department will say the officer was responding to a burglary and he was in his right to take precautions and protect himself. This firefighter will not get an apology. Sad but true.

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
7. Walking "back" to their SUV -- from where?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:30 PM
Sep 2014

the Raiders game or the fire station? Was he closing up the firehouse and leaving after the emergency crew had left? Did he happen to be driving by when he noticed the garage door was open? Or was he sent there to close it?


rocktivity

Response to rocktivity (Reply #7)

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
9. It would help enormously if the story had made that clear
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:04 PM
Sep 2014

though I'd hate to think Jones would run a security check with his kids in tow instead of telling them to wait in the car.


rocktivity

Response to rocktivity (Reply #9)

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
16. Yes, it's an easily walkable distance and the father saved the steep parking lot fee.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:29 PM
Sep 2014

Probably would have been a good plan if it weren't for the open door at the station. Probably would still have been a good plan if the firefighter and his children were white because I guarantee that no white Oakland cop would have treated those kids that way had they been white and in that neighborhood at that hour. More likely the cop would have told them it wasn't safe for them there.

And yeah, the cop could have made this a whole lot better had he apologized to each boy and their father after the father ID'ed himself.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
11. Nope
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:36 PM
Sep 2014

You cannot and should not leave your children alone in a vehicle for even a second. It is a law and for a good reason. I would have done it a little differently than this man but I definitely would have had my kids with me. They would have been RIGHT at my side not because I'm protective but because I don't trust those little shi*ts alone for a second! Especially in an unattended fire station! lol

I'm no fan of cops (hate 'em, don't trust 'em) and haven't been for a very long time. Just as they assume we are all guilty of something, I assume the same thing with them.

Having said all that, I believe the cop was good for stopping the fire fighter, he didn't actually draw his gun and eventually listened to reason and allowed the man to prove his identity w/o anybody getting shot, tazed, knocked to the ground or other wise molested. The firefighter was coming out of the building at the time and the cop was responding to a call. This in comparison to a cop seeing a black guy and his kids just walking along and then doing all the exact same stuff

. At the same time, he should have apologized and probably could have been quicker to realize 2+2 wasn't adding up to 4 (Who takes their kids on a burglary, they were probably all well dressed/groomed/clean or at least presentable and they weren't scurrying about collecting stuff to steal as a thief would have been doing) but cops aren't exactly known for their brilliance these days. Along with that, I'm sure the firefighter's race was a major factor and the cop would have been in less fear for his life had it been a white guy and his 2 kids.

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
15. DING DING DING! Tazkcmo, you're our grand prize winner!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:20 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:18 AM - Edit history (4)

...(T)he cop...eventually listened to reason and allowed the man to prove his identity...(But) who takes their kids on a burglary? They were probably all well dressed/groomed/clean or at least presentable and they weren't scurrying about collecting stuff to steal as a thief would have been doing...

Who takes their kids on a burglary? NON-white criminals and terrorists, that's who! But there are exceptions:

Four black men in a light brown car cleverly evaded capture by disguising themselves as a black woman and four children in a dark red car.

And here's the story of a white male human trafficker who was "caught" photographing a pair underage Asian girls in a compromising embrace while on a public ferry before dozens, if not hundreds, of witnesses!



rocktivity

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
12. Both your posts make it sound like you think Jones is at fault and should be interogated.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:42 PM
Sep 2014

Disturbing.

What difference does it make where he parked, where he was walking to/from? What could make this treatment of him and his kids acceptable? Do you think the same thing would have happened to a white man with his two children?

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
14. You can rest assured that I am far more annoyed with the reporter
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:27 PM - Edit history (2)

than the fireman!

But it's the person responsible for closing the garage door who's to blame: otherwise, the cop might have concluded that Mr. Jones was simply trying to steal a firefighter's SUV...


rocktivity

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
13. A rare occasion of OPD responding to a burglary in progress call and they end up doing this. figures
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:48 PM
Sep 2014

I"m an Oakland native and life long resident. This story is atypical of our wonderful "hero first responder" police dept. In most cases they won't show up until well after a burglary has occurred. In my neighborhood, the mostly middle class Glenview district, the response time is about 2.5 hours if they ever show up. In hard core ghetto neighborhoods like where this East Oakland firehouse is located the response time is, well, never. When you call 911 you're instructed to call the non emergency line and file a report via e-mail. the fact that the site is a firehouse may have had something to do with OPD's unusual reaction.

Perhaps seeing the children with Mr. Jones made the cop think twice before pulling the trigger. His response is amazing to me given the lack of experience in responding to crimes in process of most OPD officers.

I bet the cop is being disciplined for actually showing up on a burglary in progress call and making the other guys look bad.

Note the lack of a "sarcasm" emoticon.

Response to mulsh (Reply #13)

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
21. I've been saying...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 02:15 AM
Sep 2014

The lid is barely being kept on in Oakland. Still lots of unemployment. No real welfare system for single people - just a crushing machine for grinding people into homelessness. Though it's possible they may have programs I don't know about to try to alleviate the crime rate, gang problems, prison parolees being dumped into Oakland's backyard etc. I really can't see how Oakland hasn't imploded already on their no-cash-for-necessities and we-punish-you-for-working-by-undermining-your-housing policy. Seriously - the insanity of that should have caused spontaneous revolution from Oakland's vast immiserated underclass already.

The racial tension and police issues (both lack of police and police profiling) are only icing on the case.

Fruitvale Station? Yes, that's in Oakland. The 500 feet surrounding it has now been cleaned up and redecorated with a nice walking mall and fountain. Minimum wage jobs are available there! I'm not sure what happens beyond that 500 feet. The last time I tried to take a peek at the area was around 1995 and I was the victim of some cat calls and a drive-by shooting. With a water uzi. But still it scared the heck out of me, and I've never tried to wander "out of bounds" in that area again.

Downtown Oakland looks literally like a million bucks has been invested in it. Recently. There are hanging flower baskets just like Berkeley. Everything looks clean, well lit, and fairly safe. There are advertisements for "luxury condos" that most of the people currently living in Oakland can't afford: so as those poor "welfare types" are displace - namely forced to move on by the failure to provision welfare - the rich tech overflow from San Francisco is expected to move in. Their taxes will pay for more flower baskets, not improved Social Services.

The white police officer over-reacted to the black fireman because the "meta-conversation" here is how to drive "the types we don't want" out of town.



daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
23. While Oakland Practice Human Rights Violations Against the Poor, Get a Load of this Cop
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 02:27 AM
Sep 2014
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/05/23/ex-oakland-officer-on-disability-turned-fbi-agent-had-violent-track-record-lawyer-says-aaron-mcfarlane-ibragim-todashev-tamarlan-tsarnaev-disability-opd-police-calpers-riders-brutality/

He has a record of police brutality.

And he has such high integrity and respect for the law that he collects disability from Oakland while running around as a hot shot FBI agent!

This is the Oakland police.

And this is also Oakland politics: thinking that guys like this deserve a fat pension while Oakland's poor can't have one penny in direct cash for necessities? The underlying assumption is, of course, racist. Everyone on welfare is black. Therefore everyone on welfare is a scammer/doing drugs/making bad decisions...and thus can't be trusted with even a few dollars to buy toilet paper. And thus, they should be denied all means to buy toilet paper.

Naturally, they will go without toilet paper instead of turning to begging, prostitution, and crime to meet their needs. And naturally hey would never resent their Betters for drawing up such utterly bone-headed policies that leaves them at the mercy of corrupt, profiling police. Naturally.
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