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RandySF

(58,477 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:50 PM Sep 2014

Reel Women: How Misogyny in Gamer Culture Hurts All of Us

One of the biggest issues in the news this week has been the ongoing rampant misogyny and outright terrorism in gamer culture, specifically the attacks on Depression Quest developer Zoe Quinn and feminist media commentator Anita Sarkeesian — both of whom have suffered exceedingly personal attacks and threats on their lives (including the horrible one in the graphic above, which was sent to Sarkeesian via Twitter). The former for merely talking sexual agency as an independent, adult woman, and the latter for criticizing the industry’s treatment of women in its games. What do these issues have to do with the rest of geek culture? Well …. everything. Misogyny in gamer culture is a symptom of a larger, systemic issue. And something needs to be done about it. Now.

I am not steeped in gamer culture, but I can tell you that what I’ve learned over the last week about the treatment of Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn has horrified me (you can read a great primer here from Andrew Todd at Badass Digest). This isn’t casual sexism — these are women who are being tormented and terrorized because they are women. And the men who are responsible for crusading against them are fighting against people they’ve labeled “Social Justice Warriors” — a derogatory term they’ve coined to insinuate that anyone who supports social justice and equality is limiting them and holding them down. These are men who were born with every right handed to them; the only struggle is the one they’re imposing upon themselves by fighting to repress women.

What Zoe Quinn did or did not do doesn’t matter. That Anita Sarkeesian has opinions that these men do not agree with does not matter. Nothing — nothing — makes the actions of these men and their crusade justifiable. Nothing justifies releasing the personal information of another person on the internet. Nothing justifies making threats to their personal safety and the safety of their loved ones to the point where they have to leave their own home. These men will never know what it feels like to be a woman on this planet, to fear for your safety and your well-being just for having a totally sane opinion and speaking up about it — and the idea that women should be treated equally and with respect shouldn’t even be an opinion; it should be an accepted reality, something we just acknowledge is right, that we do every day without even having to stop and consider whether it’s right.

This misogyny isn’t just endemic to gaming culture — it’s rampant in all geek culture, including movie fanboyism. There’s this sinister notion of ownership, that men have more claim over geek properties than women do, that’s been ingrained from childhood. We have toys for boys and toys for girls. Video games, comic books, and superheroes are all for little boys, while princesses and romance and hearts and flowers are for girls. When I — like many women I know — was growing up, this wasn’t the case. My Ninja Turtles and Ghostbusters were mixed in with my Barbies in one giant toy box, and I played video games with the little boys on my street without them calling me a “dumb bitch” or a “whore.”



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Reel Women: How Misogyny in Gamer Culture Hurts All of Us (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2014 OP
Huge K&R..... daleanime Sep 2014 #1
And you can never make gamers happy. RandySF Sep 2014 #2
I think Aveline looks pretty. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #4
Amen.... daleanime Sep 2014 #11
Also because she's fully clothed in a non-form fitting outfit n/t kcr Sep 2014 #18
It is very much a problem. And it's good that we're addressing it. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #3
K&R freshwest Sep 2014 #5
Women online everywhere are subject to this Triana Sep 2014 #6
"Have been since the internet became a "thing" in society ie: the 70s-80s." Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #8
You're right. Showing my age there... Triana Sep 2014 #9
Me, too. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #10
. . . Triana Sep 2014 #13
This is like debating when and where punk started, Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #15
^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #12
The sexism could be reduced a thousand fold if... daredtowork Sep 2014 #7
My girlfriend loves this cartoon Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #14
I agree with her.... daleanime Sep 2014 #17
Excellent post. K&R nt TBF Sep 2014 #16

RandySF

(58,477 posts)
2. And you can never make gamers happy.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

There have been complaints about the lack of a lead characters in the Assassin's Creed series. But when Ubisoft came out with Aveline, she was panned. Was it because she was of mixed-race heritage?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
4. I think Aveline looks pretty.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:30 PM
Sep 2014

Okay, I'll be honest; I haven't ever actually played the games. But this is honestly a cool character, IMO. Sadly, some gamers are a bit too damn unimaginative or even reactionary for their own good. And this is coming from a guy who's a gamer himself.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
3. It is very much a problem. And it's good that we're addressing it.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:28 PM
Sep 2014

I know that most of us gamers, are definitely decent people overall, and would never do something like that. However, though, we do need to acknowledge that every subculture has it's dark side, and gaming is no different.

And I was frankly horrified to hear of Kevin Dobson's incredibly cruel and nasty threats & other harassments toward Anita Sarkeesian, and those directed towards Zoe Quinn as well. Folks, I think pretty much everyone here will agree with me on this: There is no excuse for this kind of shitty behavior, ever. Assholes like Kevin Dobson don't just make gamers look bad, they are, above all, a terrible embarrassment to humanity as a whole.



 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
6. Women online everywhere are subject to this
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:35 PM
Sep 2014

Have been since the internet became a "thing" in society ie: the 70s-80s. Gamer culture may be worse but women are personally abused and threatened online everywhere. Some men seem to think they own the internet/games/programming/network technology/systems technology. The fact is that women mathematicians were the first computer programmers. When programming, internet, gaming, etc. became popular, it suddenly was proclaimed the domain of men and women were not welcome - except as objects of derision, control and sexual subjects.

Same with beermaking. Used to be women made most of the beer. It was considered part of the 'cooking'. Now that craft beer industry is a "thing", it's almost the exclusive domain of men (not as bad as systems/internet/programming/gaming technology though).

Every woman I know who spends much time at all online, particularly if she has an opinion about something (like politics or contraceptives) that a controlling man online disagrees with, has been subjected to abuse. Women on political sites, gaming sites, their own blogs and websites, twitter, facebook, fan-sites, media websites (comment sections or article authors), and especially sites like what I call "SlashTot" and Reddit. These sites are veritable sewers of misogyny and abuse.

To a whole lot of men, women aren't supposed to have opinions. And especially no opinions a man disagrees with. They're just supposed to be pretty and make babies and cookies.

It's not just gamers. It goes right back to the attitude in the physical world that women aren't human beings. That they are not persons. That they are instead supposed to be decorative functional objects which exist exclusively for the benefit of men and therefore not deserving of equal respect in society, online, under the law, in the workplace, in the home, or anyplace else. And certainly not deserving of control or agency over their own bodies, opinions, decisions, health, lives. No more than a toaster oven deserves anyway.

We got a problem in the World. The problem is that over half of the population on this planet is not considered by the other half (well, a whole lot of the other half) to even be human. None of this is considered a rampant human rights epidemic because women aren't considered human. Therefore, no problem!

Until we get beyond that. Well, nothing will change.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. "Have been since the internet became a "thing" in society ie: the 70s-80s."
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:54 PM
Sep 2014

One correction: The internet, per se, didn't really percolate into public awareness until '93-'94 IIRC. People were communicating via their computers, of course. Bulletin boards- really, DU is just an updated version of one- existed in the 1980s, you could stick a telephone into some rubber cups and call one up from your Apple II or TRS-80.

But I wouldn't say the internet was a thing in society, really, until the 90s.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
9. You're right. Showing my age there...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:58 PM
Sep 2014

...as I was around for the old BBSs and crappy Mosaic browser (dialup modems and such)! That's when *I* remember it becoming a thing. As you say it didn't become widely popular until the 90s.

What can I say. I'm old! LOL!

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
15. This is like debating when and where punk started,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:25 PM
Sep 2014

My mother (who worked in aerospace) would tell you she started was using the internet in 1972.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
7. The sexism could be reduced a thousand fold if...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:50 PM
Sep 2014

there were a way to get guys to stop using "rape" in every other sentence as a trivial way to refer to winning some points, killing a monster, conquering some territory, actually virtually raping a woman, or whatever they do in gaming.

In International gaming culture - lets call it the 4Chan/Reddit nexus, though I'm sure there are other watering holes involved - guys have so normalized this offhand usage of "rape" that it is oppressive "political correctness" and utter buzzkill to ask them to lay off, even in the presence of women. And if they do lay off it's with a "ladies present" attitude, on their best behavior as if they were having tea with their Grandmother, with the knowledge that as soon as possible they will take off the tie, unbutton their shirt, and get back to their regular chat about raping this and that again.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
14. My girlfriend loves this cartoon
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:16 PM
Sep 2014

Although she doesn't really think sexism is a stand-alone issue, she doesn't perceive a boys club where women are ostracized so much as a free-for-all where assholes are emboldened by anonymity and a lack of consequences. She says if you want to play "count the slur" the story might as well be that gaming is wildly homophobic far beyond any issues women might face.





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