Rightwing attempting to astroturf Mike Brown Killing

[bl968]

I saw this post on facebook with the following comment shared by someone I know.

"This is Ferguson police officer BEFORE he shot Mike Brown. Please pass this around over and over. Think Sharpton and MSNBC will show this? That means TPC will have to start passing folks"

The comment was linked to a version of this picture.



Using the Tineye Reverse Image search I found a Czech site which posted a story about American Motorcyclist Jim McNeil. The actual person pictured in the image.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spy.cz%2Fsport%2F9282-motokrosar-se-zabil-pri-treninku-nedal-salto-vzad&edit-text=

I responded with

"Don't believe everything you see... This picture is from a article on a motorcyclist who tried to do a backflip on his bike. Jim McNeil"

I also reported the image to Facebook though I doubt they will remove the image...

"There is a picture on facebook falsely claiming to be a picture of the officer who shot the kid in Ferguson after he shot him. But the picture is instead of a motorcyclist who tried to do a backflip on his bike. Jim McNeil. This should be removed from this site as it justifies unjustifiable violence against a minority on the basis he beat the cop when it is untrue."

I gave a link to the picture in question and the translation of the Czech web site.

Basically if you see this post on your social networking you now have all the information needed to rebut it.

[Scootaloo]

1. Works via google image search too, FYI

Surprisingly versatile tools in blowing apart these dunderheads' bullshit, I've found.

[freshwest]

2. How does it work? What browser does that? TIA.

[Scootaloo]

10. No browser in particular

You go to google images. In the search field, there's a little camera symbol. You click that and past the URL of the image you're searching. It'll take you to other iterations of that image on the web (or failing that, visually similar images, which is about as useful as plastic fruit, but whatever i guess)

[cojoel]

17. If you use Chrome...

you can right-click on an image and the fifth item (on my version anyway) in the menu is "Search Google for this image". It is a short-cut to the feature that 'Scootaloo' described.

[freshwest]

19. Thanks. Right now, I can't download Chrome. It's incompatible with my OS.

[cantbeserious]

3. Thank You - I Am Fighting This Battle On Another Board

eom

[davidpdx]

36. Oh come on, do tell?

[Ms. Toad]

4. Spreading rapidly -

up 10% in shares just in the few minutes I looked at it to see if there was a way to make a universal comment.

[JHB]

5. Here's the original blog entry that the Czech story was taken from. (from Oct. 2006)

http://etnies.com/blog/2006/10/10/jim-mcneil-face-plants-ouch/

Jim McNeil Face Plants - Ouch!
Posted By etnies in Moto-X
Oct 10 2006 / Tuesday

etnies moto rider Jim McNeil crashed last week while riding at his friend's house and broke bones in his forehead, cheek, nose, jaw and eye socket. Yeah, he's gnarly! Get well soon bro. We'll let Jim tell ya what happened...

Here is my story!

I was riding on last Wednesday at my buddy Sheldon Riggs’ house. I was riding every day trying to get ready for the last Mountain Dew stop in Orlando. It was getting towards the end of the day and I was getting tired of doing tricks and just felt like jumping. There was an 80ft step up out of a pit that I was going to hit. The jump was just refaced a week earlier and hadn’t been packed, so the lip was soft and got all blown out real quick.

Sheldon was packing a landing right next to the landing of the dirt step up. I went off the step up and got cross rutted, sending me to land in the soft dirt on the side of the landing. When I landed in the soft dirt it ripped my left hand off and my legs blew off the pegs. I totally swapped out and should have been tossed off the bike, but some how, since my throttle hand was still on the bike, it made me whiskey throttle and it some how stood my bike back up and kept me from crashing. I was pinned out of control and couldn’t let go of the throttle. I went second gear pinned into Sheldon’s truck and didn’t have time to slow down or gain control of my bike.

didn’t get knocked out, but knew something was wrong. I knew I had been cut, but couldn’t see out of my right eye and couldn’t feel the right side of my face or mouth. Sheldon rushed me to the hospital and that’s when the shock wore off and the pain started to set in. Once I got to the hospital they did a CAT scan which revealed I had fractures throughout he right side of my face and air in my brain. They rushed me to St. Joe's which is the trauma hospital were I was in ICU for two days waiting for the air to release out of my brain.

I had surgery on Saturday which went really good. They put plates and screws throughout my face to fix fractures in my orbital bone (eye socket), fore head, and cheek bone. I felt so much better after surgery and was in a less pain since every thing was lined up and in place. I should start riding in about 4 to 6 weeks, just depending how I feel.

[Ms. Toad]

6. I posted a few FB comments...

Not that it will do much good.

[Cha]

7. Of course they are.. and the stupids will suck it up. That's no fucking Darren Wilson.. I

think we all know what that asshole looks like by now.

[freshwest]

8. Post Darren Wilson's picture when you find the wrong one. They're nothing alike:

The hair and skin color, ears, nose, chin and neck are wrong, and there's an age difference. It can't be Wilson. How do these folks survive, who reminds them to breathe?

[indivisibleman]

9. besides the fact that

the entire altercation between Brown and Wilson lasted but a few seconds while Wilson was seated in his car and that after he murdered Brown he was filmed walking around the body without any apparent injuries to this face.
And 4 or 5 eyewitnesses state that Brown was trying to pull away from the officer, not attack him.
And that there was no good reason for a teenager to start beating on an officer clear out of the blue.
Yep.

[TorchTheWitch]

16. unless that teenager was afraid of being arrested for the

robbery they just committed. That would certainly put an end to the college aspirations not to mention going to jail and future employment. Attempting to avoid arrest is a common reason why people have been known to attack police in order to try to get away from them and avoid arrest especially when they know that arrest means having to do time.

So, what was Wilson's out of the blue reason for allegedly attacking a teenager in broad daylight in public, allegedly shooting him as he ran away though there aren't any bullet wounds that went into his back and who went to the hospital with some kind of injury that all we yet know was a swollen face?

Once again, one does not require to bleed in order to be injured. And again, Wilson isn't required to be injured at all in order to have a legitimate and legal reason to shoot. Most police shootings that are legitimate and legal don't have the officer being touched by the person at all in any manner. It is exceedingly rare that police shoot only after they have been attacked.

I distinctly recall that when the video of Zimmerman at the police station on surveillance video that was blurry and a much less distance than that of Wilson after the shooting of Brown people here were just howling that he had no injuries whatsoever. Except it turned out that he did. They just didn't match how he described that he got them... those two little cuts on the back of his head supposedly being from having his head repeatedly bashed on concrete.

There are no witnesses that have said anything publicly about the struggle inside the car. Witnesses have only said what they saw when Brown was shot. Johnson who is the only one that was right there and watching what was going on claimed there was NO struggle. Johnson also failed to mention anything about the robbery which is why Wilson drove back to talk to them again after he initially stopped them for walking in the street. Johnson did say that Wilson drove off and then went back to them apparently because for the first time he heard the dispatch call of the robbery Brown committed minutes before, and Brown and Johnson fit the description given.

Seriously, Brown had just robbed the market and physically threatened the clerk. It's right there on video, and Johnson through his attorney admitted it right after the video was made public (and hid from the media since). Having just committed this robbery and being no stranger to violent altercations just what would have been going through Brown's mind when stopped by the police? There's no way on earth he would have thought it was no big deal and would have been scared shitless of getting arrested for it. The robbery matters concerning what came after. Brown DID have every reason to try to get away from Wilson so as to avoid arrest and very well may have attacked him in order to do so. It makes a HELL of a lot more sense than the scenario of what Johnson claimed occurred, and there is no reason whatsoever that Wilson would have threatened or attacked either Brown or Johnson in broad daylight on a public street before many people.

At some point may Brown have been trying to get away from Wilson after the altercation in the car in which a shot was fired? Sure. And if that occurred Wilson is required to go after him and arrest him. He is also within his rights to shoot an escaping perp that doesn't surrender when commanded to. We just don't know yet what actually occurred. And there ARE witnesses that corroborate Wilson's version of events, and we heard from one of them as in the background conversation between some number of people where one guy says that Brown was running toward Wilson. Even the media briefly reported that, but quickly buried it just as they buried the information about Johnson having been arrested for theft and falsifying a report because he lied about the police as to who he was even after the police found his driver's license in his sock. He never showed up for court in the case, and there was a warrant out for his arrest at the time of the Brown shooting. No wonder he got a lawyer.

Meanwhile, there has been another shooting by police of a teenager who was never claimed to have done anything remotely criminal other than apparently not hearing police tell his to freeze because he was listening to music on his headphones and allegedly didn't hear them. Nobody cares here even though incidents where the police shoot someone are usually multi-posted with flooding of posts about how monstrous the police are (even before finding out what actually occurred in the incident. Par for the course. But maybe no one wants to bring that one up because the dead teen was white and shot by a black officer?

http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_13131.shtml

Took awhile to find it. Using key words "white teen shot by black police officer" brought up page after page of stories about Michael Brown. So, where's the media freaking out about this one that happened the day after Brown's shooting? Where's Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamin Crump and other civil rights leaders on this one? Oh yeah, the dead kid was not only white but shot by a black police officer. Still, where's the cop hate brigade here screaming about murderous police officers? Surprisingly, no where. And when they just love every opportunity to bring up any shooting by the police no matter how legitimate like this recent post about an officer that did everything right in shooting a man who had just shot randomly at people in a bar yet the cop hate brigade had a field day maligning an officer for a totally legitimate shooting yet not a peep about the dead white kid, Dillon Taylor, and who the media continually wouldn't say the race of the officer that killed him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5454067

[IdaBriggs]

20. The "robbery" has already been debunked.

He paid for his purchase. The shop owner and his clerk had no idea why the police were there, and demanded a search warrant before they took his video.

But it made for a great stalking horse, didn't it? Really, it was the UNARMED TEENAGER'S FAULT HE GOT SHOT because CRIMINAL.

(Except for the part where he wasn't.)

[Ms. Toad]

25. Please link to a source for the second sentence.

I have never seen any assertion that the shop owner and clerk "had no idea why the police were there," or that they "demanded" a search warrant before they took his video. (It has been pretty reliably established that it was a customer who called the police - but someone else making the call isn't the same as having no idea why they were there. I have seen references to a search warrant being executed - but again, that is different from the store owner demanding a warrant.)

I have seen an admission by Johnson, through his attorney, to the robbery

I have watched the video numerous times - and I have been unable to find any time when Brown puts his hand(s) anywhere where he might be pulling money from anywhere he might keep it, from the time Brown's hands are visible and empty behind his back, until he moves away from the counter. If you can identify that point in time, I'd love to see it. So far, no one else who has looked has been able to find it either.

Brown does not have to be innocent of the robbery for his death to be a travesty of justice or for it to have been absolutely beyond the pale for the police to have released the videotape of the robbery.

But when continue to insist that there could not possibly have been a robbery when, when there is a fair amount of evidence that there was, we send the message that it is only wrong for the police to shoot fleeing unarmed black men if they are perfectly behaved. That is not a message we should be sending.

[IdaBriggs]

29. Happy to oblige; smearing the victim is pretty standard lately.

Posted here at DU on Monday, August 18, 2014 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5407919

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-busted/

From the article....

Whatever words were exchanged between the man in the video and the store owner, they were not considered very serious, as the store owner nor the employees did not report a theft at the store. According to the stores attorney, the owners were bewildered when the police approached them demanding the surveillance tapes.

The store owners are now afraid of themselves becoming a target, due to the Ferguson PD’s attempt to tie their store to the fateful shooting. A gross abuse of police authority, one which now puts someone else at risk.

Even if Michael Brown were a petty thief, this does not excuse the cold-blooded shooting death of the 18-year-old. Of course the right-wing took the robbery claim at face value, and began labeling Michael Brown as a ‘thug‘ who did not deserve due process.

But instead it looked like he was a teenager who was enjoying a few cigars which he purchased at the local store. The store owners did not claim he stole from them. Video evidence shows him paying for the cigars found on him. The police attempt to paint Michael Brown as anything but a victim is a complete and total fraud.

I put together an extensive link collection the same day: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025406416

DU also knew about the officer's previous employment at a police department disbanded due to corruption early; I posted August 19, 2014 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025411848 but mainstream media didn't pick up on it until August 26 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025446778

Oh, and anything from "Josie" = http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025449965 with "we talked about an ongoing police investigation on Facebook" should have been pretty obvious, but at least we have fake photos of the "injured" police officer, which turned out to be some guy in a motorcycle accident http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025477002 - just another day on Faux!

[Ms. Toad]

30. I read that differently than you do -

If I was a store owner who had chosen not to report a theft because the potential backlash would cost more than the loss, I would be bewildered when the police approached me as well. I do agree that being bewildered when the police show up establishes that they did not place the call. But I don't agree that it demonstrates that they are mystified at the suggestion that there was a theft.

As for the analysis of the tape - If you are trying to establish that someone paid for an item, you need to be able to identify them handing over cash - or at least having the opportunity to do so. Someone else in the store, having something in his hand that resembles paper (which, frankly, I don't even see), who shows up after being completely out of sight during the payment you are trying to establish doesn't cut it.

Particularly when the tape clearly shows Brown with nothing in either hand - and no motion that is consistent with getting money into his empty hand. And particularly when the individual who was with him acknowledge the theft to the FBI, and publicly through his attorney.

Please watch the tape from the point where Brown's hands are clasped behind his back and both clearly empty, and identify the time stamp after that when he reaches into a pants pocket, a shirt pocket, a sock, his underwear, or anywhere else where he could have been carrying money. I have watched it numerous times, and I don't see a single place where that could have occurred. No one else has ever been able to identify an opportunity, either.

All of those factors together seem, to me, like the more of the same outcry the day it was released when people compared the tape image to the street image and manufactured all sorts of differences between the two images out of thin air.

What I do agree with you about is that releasing the tape was done solely to smear Brown, doing so is reprehensible, and regardless of what it shows provides no justification for shooting a fleeing unarmed man.

[IdaBriggs]

38. From the article: "The store owners did not claim he stole from them."

No theft = no robbery = no crime. The police report was also riddled with inconsistencies which have been detailed by another DUer very well, but at the end of the day I think we are in agreement that shooting a fleeing unarmed teenager who "disrespected your authority" by backtalking is bad.

Personally, I am with the community in calling it "murder".

Other links you might find interesting on the "robbery" smear: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025419227 (links to "Smoking Gun" report from police officers.

But the one that made me completely cynical was this DU post by Moosepoop from Saturday, August 16, 2014: "The Ferguson "robbery" incident report has some problems."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025398525 which details out the issues and contradictions in the police report itself.

[Ms. Toad]

44. That comment was the author's summary of events,

I have not seen any comment one way or the other by the store owner - other than he didn't call it in. (But I will note that the moosepoop indicates that the police took the report from the store owner - since the police report is public and the owner are reported to fear retaliation - if he (or an employee) didn't give the report to the police officers, I would have expected them to immediately and loudly announce that Brown stole nothing - in order to minimize the risk of retaliation.)

The second link - how many clocks have you seen that are out of sync by way more than 2 minutes? You have a 1:02 duration for the robbery, and 3:00 minutes between the call reporting a robbery in progress and police arrival.

There are discrepancies between the visual of what was taken - and what is written down. I've seen enough police reports to know that witnesses sometimes get it wrong - and sometimes police transcribe a correct description incorrectly. I doubt they watched the video to confirm what was taken. If anything, the discrepancies actually makes me slightly less suspicious. If they were making it up out of whole cloth, they would be a lot more likely to make their report spotless - as they imagine a report written immediately would be. (A sophisticated cover-up would be more likely to introduce calculated errors so its perfection didn't stand out like a sore thumb against the reams of imperfect reports - but nothing I have seen indicates these are sophisticated enough to think enough steps ahead to introduce deliberate errors so that their fake report looked more real because it was imperfect.) Bottom line - I'd call the police reports a wash, in terms of their impact on whether I believe Brown took cigarillos from the store or not.

The factors that are most decisive for me are that

(1) someone called it in - I have not seen anyone dispute that. So what was going on in the store looked like a robbery to the eyewitness customer who called it in - likely the most impartial witness in the whole first stage of that day. That is why excited utterances are admissible as evidence, even when other out of court statements aren't - they are presumed reliable because the words pop out before your brain filter has time to modify what is coming out.

(2) The video which has Brown in full view of the camera with pretty decent lighting from a point when both hands are clearly empty behind his back to the point he is heading to the door after leaving the counter. I can't find any movement by Brown that would have put money into his empty hands in order to give it to the clerk. He doesn't ever (that I can find) put either hand into a pocket in pants or shirt, in his sock, his underwear, under his ballcap, or anywhere else I can imagine that he might be carrying money. If he had no money in his hand to start with, he never leaves the camera view, and he doesn't reach to a place where he might be carrying money, how does money get in his hand to pay the clerk? Despite repeated requests, no one else has been willing or able to point that moment out to me. (I notice that you have not ether - so I assume that means you can't find it since you are clearly motivated to establish his innocence, and demonstrating directly that he at least had the opportunity to pay for them because at some point he was apparently fishing for money would go a long way toward raising strong doubt - in a way that none of the second or third hand characterizations of what the store clerk - who isn't speaking much - said.)

(3) Johnson admitted, through his attorney, that Brown took the cigarillos. The video clearly shows them in his hand just before he leaves the store (wiping out the suggestion someone else made in this thread that he didn't walk out with them at all) - and if he didn't pay for them (see #2), he stole them.

And - again - just so it is clear that I am am not excusing the police actions: Even taking the police report of the robbery as the gospel truth, it was a reprehensible act to release it in an attempt to smear Brown's reputation - and nothing in what happened in the store (again - assuming gospel truth) justifies killing a fleeing unarmed man.

[IdaBriggs]

46. We are both relying on our interpretation of events relayed by other people

and/or video footage where we do not even have *all* of the available video footage.

To me, the "robbery" is pretty clearly debunked, but for you maybe it isn't. We may never "know the truth" of all of the details of Michael's last day on earth, but we do know that a young man on the verge of fulfilling his potential, dearly loved by his family and friends, was tragically killed by a police officer in what looks to be a moment of over-the-top insanely inappropriate behavior by the guy who was trusted by the community with a gun.



And THIS is we totally agree on:

"Even taking the police report of the robbery as the gospel truth, it was a reprehensible act to release it in an attempt to smear Brown's reputation - and nothing in what happened in the store (again - assuming gospel truth) justifies killing a fleeing unarmed man." - Ms. Toad

Peace between us.

[Ms. Toad]

47. Peace

[indivisibleman]

41. I don't believe Johnson admitted to taking the cigars.

I believe he admitted to being at the store with Brown and they purchased cigars. This has then been restated by some that Johnson admitted to the robbery.

-How could he admit to a robbery if he walked out of the store without anything per the video?
-How could he be guilty of a robbery when the Ferguson Police Department has made a public statement that Johnson has been cleared of any wrongdoing?
-As of this time the police have made no further statement as to whether Brown was guilty or innocent in the alleged theft. But they had time to clear Johnson. Guess they are still working on the Brown part of the case. hmmmmm

[Ms. Toad]

43. Johnson, through his attorney, admitted the theft.

It is not "restating"

“We see that there’s tape, that they claim they got a tape that shows there was some sort of strong-armed robbery,” said Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that {Brown} did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-police-name-michael-brown

-The video is not clear enough to tell whether they are walking out of the store without anything or not.
-Johnson returned the cigars that Brown handed him. Just because the police have cleared Johnson of wrongdoing does not mean Brown cannot be guilty
-The robbery was "exceptionally cleared," which means they know who did it, but can't arrest him (in this case, because he was dead). -That is in the robbery report - there would be no need to make any further statements. As for time to clear Johnson? They wanted his statement. No way his counsel would permit him to speak without assurance that no charges would be filed.

So - if you don't accept that "taki{ing} the cigarillos" means taking them without paying, then Brown must have paid for them in the version you believe. So please point out to me the time stamp after we see Brown's empty hands clasped behind his back, to the point when he reaches into his pants pocket, his shirt pocket, his sock - anywhere he could retrieve money from to hand over to the cashier. So far, despite that part of the tape being pretty clear, no one has been able to find the point at which nothing in his hands turns into money in his hands.

And - as I have said repeatedly - whatever happened in that store provides absolutely no justification for the police shooting an unarmed fleeing man. Releasing the robbery tape was a repulsive attempt to smear Michael Brown.

But, the obsession with proving he was innocent (like the obsession the first few days with analyzing every detail of his clothing to prove it wasn't even him on the tape) - when the available evidence strongly suggests he was not - is counterproductive, and it makes it look as if we are conceding the conservative contention that if he isn't a complete angel Wilson's actions were acceptable.

[indivisibleman]

48. I agree with you on every point you make.

It is still possible that Johnson believed that Brown took the cigars but he was mistaken. Or he did know that the two-packs were stolen. I know it doesn't make a hill of beans difference in regard to the shooting but it does make a difference to get this correct since it has been interjected into the narrative. I see no box of cigarellos going out of the store with Brown and Johnson. So at the very lease Johnson is not admitting to taking the BOX of Swisher Sweets. Instead they may have walked out with the two packs and didn't pay for them.
What bugs me is that so many people are saying that Johnson admitted to the robbery and then claim they took a box of cigars, which they didn't. What was it exactly that he was admitting to and was he perhaps wrong about the whole deal? If he admits to taking cigars why was he cleared? The whole thing doesn't make sense to me.
But by now we know that the chief just wanted to put something out there to discredit Brown and it worked.
Another thing that doesn't make sense to me is how Brown could be talking about Jesus getting him through the day as one witness describes and then he goes out and steals cigars. It seems to me that more went on at the store than meets the eye. If we don't get some info from the clerk we may never know.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

21. Wow

and shooting of an unarmed person by the police needs to be examined closely. It doesn't matter if he stole (versus robbed) something from the store. How is that a reason to shoot him?

[Louisiana1976]

27. Excellent points. Stealing and robbery are not capital crimes.

[TorchTheWitch]

34. where did I say it was a reason to shoot him?

That's right, nowhere. He'd have no right to shoot anyone that just committed a robbery and was just walking down the street acting unthreatening afterward. Any boob knows that. All I said was that the robbery does have everything to do with what occurred afterward - Brown's state of mind when stopped by Wilson and why he may have attacked the officer (in order to get away and avoid being arrested). It makes FAR more logical sense than Wilson having shot Brown for no reason whatsoever. Or because he was black, or walking in the middle of the street or whatever the latest irrational claim has been.

And yes, Brown ROBBED the store. It's right there in the law that was picked over extensively right here on DU. The theft became a robbery when threats or violence were issued toward the entity stolen from. There's no doubt whatsoever that Brown behaved violently and in a threatening manner toward the clerk at the store that tried to stop the robbery. Right there plain as day in the video. By LAW whatever you'd like to tell yourself or convince anyone else it was a ROBBERY, which is way it was officially reported as a robbery. In fact, it was reported as a "strong-arm" robbery to be more accurate.

Facts are so inconvenient for people with a biased agenda. Too bad if people don't like common sense, the law, and facts interrupting their irrational uninformed hate fest. Don't like it, don't read it. But I'll slit my wrists and light myself on fire before I'll let a bunch of irrational biased agenda howlers make mincemeat with reality and will never join in nor sit silently by encouraging it by saying nothing.

And once yet again though I'll still be accused of being a killer cop lover or saying things I haven't, or a koolaid drinker or instructed to shut up, etc.... We the general public weren't there and have no idea yet if this was a legitimate legal shooting or not. There hasn't been but extremely little information released as to what the FACTS are about the shooting. If it turns out that Wilson did something that isn't legal concerning the shooting then so be it. May he THEN reap the consequences. UNTIL that time I'm NEVER going to make irrational assumptions about what happened or whether or not he's guilty of anything, and NEITHER should anyone else. Yet time and again I'm the one that gets attacked by those that think they knew everything and for what reason the moment the shooting occurred based on NOTHING but biased agenda.

[IdaBriggs]

39. Robbery has been debunked. See my previous posts in this thread.

Facts are such unpleasant things, aren't they?



Biased agenda - Pot, meet Kettle.

[Solomon]

22. Aw Jee zuz just stop already!

You can twist and turn all you want but there was no reason for the cop to shoot Brown dead. Are you Wilson's wife? If so I'll give you a pass, but why someone not related to Wilson has such a vested interest in arguing for murder is just downright disturbing. There was no fucking reason Wilson needed to execute Michael Brown. Do you not count the testimony of the eyewitnesses at all!? Jee Zuz, I wonder why?

[TorchTheWitch]

35. and you have no idea if he did or not

Yes, of course I discount ANYTHING said by laypersons that stick their face in a microphone and we don't even know if they're really an eyewitness or not. As for Johnson who was there, he's lied out of his ass constantly has a record of lying to the police before and continuing to lie when caught out at it as while as falsifying an official record. I don't CARE what supposed eyewitnesses say to the media, I care what actual ones say to the authorities which all we know about thus far is that some witnesses gave information that corroborated Johnson's account and some gave information that corroborated the police's account - what of it we know of. And that's according to the media but all that was said.

As for stopping voicing my opinion... fuck no. You'd love it if I did though, huh? I'll just add a paragraph to that which was part of another post I made in this thread...

"Facts are so inconvenient for people with a biased agenda. Too bad if people don't like common sense, the law, and facts interrupting their irrational uninformed hate fest. Don't like it, don't read it. But I'll slit my wrists and light myself on fire before I'll let a bunch of irrational biased agenda howlers make mincemeat with reality and will never join in nor sit silently by encouraging it by saying nothing."

Funny how only one voice not joining in the irrational hate fest by people with no actual facts to know whether Wilson is guilty of anything or not is so upsetting to the continual mass outrage by the irrationally biased. Of course you'd want me to stop! Someone might actually read it and agree. Well, fat fucking chance of shutting me up. And all this manufactured outrage when I've not said a single thing about Wilson's account being factual EITHER. I've repeated over and over and over again that NO ONE is in a position to take EITHER side since we don't know enough of the facts yet to know what happened or if Wilson is guilty of anything or not.

No similar outrage about Dillon Taylor, a white teen, shot dead by a black police officer the day after Brown was when he didn't rob anyone or attack anyone? I did mention that case in my post, but you don't have anything to say about it in your reply. Why not? Why no similar outrage blaming the black cop in that case as being a murderer and claiming to know right out of the gate that he's guilty? Of course not. Because the media doesn't care either and hasn't told you to get your outrage on. How hypocritical even for the cop hater brigade. Or has that become or always was the white cop hater brigade? Here I thought this irrational cop hatred was for all cops regardless of race, but with no similar outrage in comparison to Taylor - who didn't rob or attack anyone - and Brown maybe it's really just white cop hatred. Shouldn't there logically be more outrage over a teen shot by police who has never been claimed to have attacked anyone?

[Quayblue]

23. This post does not seem as objective as you'd like others to be

in regards to this case. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

[noiretextatique]

28. stop drinking the koolaid

it took you a while to find that one story, did it. not so hard to find the 100 in reverse, is it? which begs the question: what is your point? that black people are better at advocating on the behalf of their loved ones who are killed by police? that black people should be more concerned about that poor young man in Utah than Michaeal Brown or Trayvon Martin? I assume you are white, so what are you doing to help that young man's family? why is it Al Sharpton's responsibility and not yours?

[indivisibleman]

40. You wanted to know why Wilson attacked Brown:

If you study the eyewitness reports of the interaction between Brown and Wilson it appears to me that Wilson misinterpreted one key event which was his opening of the car door and it rebounding back on him. From Johnson's account he said Wilson pulled up so close to them that he almost hit them. Then when Wilson opened his door it rebounded off of Brown.
It appears to me that Wilson was already hot under the collar by their explanation for being in the road and that they would be home in a short while. He was then further irritated when he interpreted the door rebounding as if Brown had pushed it back on him. Which he didn't, per Johnson's account. Wilson's misunderstanding of why the door came back upon him made him feel as though he was being attacked and thus felt he had good cause to grab Brown by the neck and or shirt.
I don't think Brown had any idea that he was a suspect in an alleged robbery. Wilson didn't either per his own captain's account. Brown was just minding his own business when Wilson came along and started overreacting to everything.
Thus Wilson attacked Brown because he felt he was being attacked. But he wasn't.

[Blue_Tires]

42. Yeah, because white kids have been subject to decades

of racial profiling, injustice and abuse...

FFS...Did you even read what you just wrote? Are we really taking the conversation in this direction??

[wandy]

11. This picture does support the Josie(s) narrative and the account.........

of the attack on Darren Wilson given by a high level source(s) that wish to remain anonymous.
Although the account(s) use the same key words and almost exact wording and have been proven to be false, lies, total bullshit, it (they) remain the accepted fairy tail in much of the right wing alternate reality.

It matters not that Jim McNeil bares no resemblance to Darren Wilson it supports the story the right wing wants to believe.
Sad if not outright dangerous that they allow themselves to be so misguided.

For completeness.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025400792

[treestar]

12. Geez what do they think they gain with these falsehoods?

Why is there no photo of the real Wilson?

[JHB]

18. All part of the 24/7 two-minute hate

What does FOX News gain by putting "D" in front of the names of Republicans caught in a crime or scandal?

What did conservatives gain when they circulated emails against Al Gore featuring Ollie North's testimony but switching the name "Abu Nidal" to "Osama bin Laden" -- and then grafting the name of a WW2 hero onto the email, alleging that he was outraged by Gore's hypocrisy, when the actual guy had nothing to do with it at all.

What did they gain when they did something similar to Hillary, grafting the name of the same WW2 hero to it.

They gained the outrage of the like-minded, and reinforced the conservative fantasy-view of Democrats and liberals: that we're corrupt, stupid, ready to fall for anything, hypocritical, etc.

[gratuitous]

33. Precisely

If Wilson had any visible injuries at all, the Ferguson Police Department would have put up billboards all over the area, Wilson would be on Fox 24/7 offering his take on Benghazi! by now, and they would have dug up Michael Brown and executed him all over again.

[treestar]

37. +1

Wilson being in hiding the way he is means anything he finally does say is calculated.

[TorchTheWitch]

13. doesn't look anything like him

And the injuries don't appear to be consistent with what the police said they were though at the time they may not have known much. So far, all we've heard is that he went to the hospital following the incident, had x-rays and a visibly swollen "face". No idea if this was his whole face, a portion of it, what portion, how swollen it was, etc.

Doesn't matter if he had injuries or not though. If Brown did attack him and tried to get his gun from him in some kind of physical altercation then that's cause to shoot. Of course, we don't yet know what the circumstances were after the alleged struggle inside the police car other than the police said a shot was fired inside the car. No clue if that was deliberate or accidental during the alleged struggle. We know extraordinarily little about the facts of this case so far, but that's also par for the course while an investigation is going on. What we do know is that there are two very different accounts concerning what happened with the public only knowing the details of one of those accounts as given to the media by Dorian Johnson.

I just read I believe it was yesterday that witnesses are alleging both accounts of what happened with some generally agreeing with one side and others generally agreeing with the other. I don't envy investigators untangling it all, but there will be a lot of forensic evidence in the case. Also read that Ferguson police now have body cameras for all their officers. Too bad they didn't have them when this happened so that it would have been known for a certainty what happened right away.

No one has said that Wilson was "beaten up" by Brown, and no one yet knows what is true and what isn't in this case yet insofar as what occurred. Not that facts actually matter to so many here. All we know is that the police allege that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson in which Brown allegedly tried to get Wilson's gun away from him. They also allege that one shot was fired inside the car.

The photo and claim in your OP should be removed because it is not a photo of who it is alleged to be. There's always crap of all sorts floating about by dingbats on the internet who always seem to automatically believe anything said by anyone is true and spread it around.

I've said it time and again here, and I'll say it again... I don't choose ANY side based on personal feelings and without the actual facts of any matter being known. Too bad so many here can't be bothered with stuff like facts especially in something as important as this. Irrational bias is not a liberal/progressive/Dem trait and shouldn't enter into deciding what happened without actual facts and certainly shouldn't be celebrated.

[Ms. Toad]

14. I think you misread the OP

The OP is providing information so people can debunk the rightwing allegations that the person in the photo is Darren Wilson.

The OP hunted down, and provided, the source of the photo, and information about who is depicted in the photo so that it can be used by people who care about the facts to correct misinformation.

[TorchTheWitch]

15. I was commenting on what the OP said to facebook

in complaining about the photo. People say all kinds of crap on facebook. Hell, they do all over the internet. I'm not seeing why anyone would be so upset about yet another dumbass on social media jumping the gun and believing something because they read it on social media... as if that's somehow legitimate news especially when it's so obviously not who it's claimed to be. I'd only like to see it taken down because of the poor guy who's in the photo shouldn't be used as some git's fun time claiming the guy is someone he isn't (not to mention the embarrassment of being spread all over the place all bashed up because of doing something risky and stupid) just to get over on idiots that use facebook as though it's news. Hardly the first time that's happened.

There's already been weeks of the spreading around of the rap sheet of a Michael Brown that is so obviously not the one that was shot especially considering the dates of the crimes and Brown's age not to mention the very long list of horrible violent crimes listed that surely whoever that Michael Brown is that's the actual person it's for is either in prison for an extraordinary long time or hiding under a very big rock somewhere in the back of beyond. Nobody is getting all hysterical about it though because it's not anywhere in any legitimate news source, and it's so obviously a different Michael Brown.

If people are so stupid as to use anecdotal who knows what it is or where it came from "information" they get from social media there's nothing that can be done about it. There's already been way too much of that nonsense here with this "Josie" person, whoever the hell that is, that called in a radio show with "information" about the incident that is nothing but hearsay she claims to have gotten from someone that claims they got it from Wilson. Rubbish. Just some dumbass wanting their 15 minutes, and no way to know if any of what she says is true or not. Hell, "Josie" isn't even her real name but an alias. Nope, not paying one bit of attention to any Tom, Dick or Josie claiming who the hell knows what in front of a microphone just like I plug my ears whenever a defense attorney opens their yap.

Funny how people get all upset over something that isn't true while claiming a "truth" they can't possibly know since none of us do as yet.

[Anansi1171]

26. "65% of U.S. Social Media Users Get News on Just One Social Network"

http://mashable.com/2013/11/14/pew-study-social-networks-news/

DUers: the Right's ability to steal elections, shut down governments, abolish democracy and to continue unmitigated economic warfare on 2/3 of the country not philosophically and ethnically(racially) allied with them is dependent on their maintenance of a noosphere - a propaganda/media bubble.

Beware of ANYONE who, with clear and purposeful falsehoods being posted on "FB", suggests that it's no big deal if they go unchallenged.

And Torching Witches is neither liberal or progressive (but it is VERY right wing!)


DU is full of surprises! Can't wait for more RW talking points from posters with user names like "LynchThe______" , "ShameThe_______", "ShootFirstDeportLater" , etc.

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. Journeymans work. Well done.

I had to share this on FB.

Really well done.

Kudos.

[lunasun]

31. I heard on the national news Wilson had a fracture eye socket as if it was fact !!

I have no hope anything will happen to the unpunched in the face Wilson with all the lies being sent out to the masses

[JimDandy]

32. Doesn't even look like Officer Darren Dean Wilson! n/t

[Ms. Toad]

45. It has apparently been taken down -

at least after tens of thousands of shares...the initial link is gone. Unfortunately, I don't know if it wiped them all out, or if that person self-deleted his and its spawn are still self-propagating.