ISIS in Juarez Mexico

[Sheepshank]

I am bothered about this going around the NET. I can only find suggestions, guesses and inferences from mostly RW sites and publications. No hard evidence has been presented.

I am wondering if this is the newest attempt from the RIGHT to paint an 'evil' picture of brown people. RW'ers already claim not to be able to tell the difference between people of Arab descent and people South of the border. I can't help but feel that conflating those two will enable border patrol to get trigger happy. I fear this is going to cause the death of innocents.

[TwilightGardener]

1. ISIS is calling from INSIDE the house!!

I haven't seen any panic, really. I think it's just a way to politically tie the two issues together before the elections.

[Javaman]

9. Don't go down in the basement!!! ISIS!!!!

ISIS-GHAZI!!!

[AtomicKitten]

22. Booghazi!!!

[Warpy]

2. It's stupid. Juarez has enough problems without trying to call them Islamic nutcases.

The far right lunatics are freaking out because they can't tell the difference between brown people from the middle east and brown people in Mexico. They're that stupid and provincial.

It's just more bullshit from white suburban xenophobes.

[Louisiana1976]

28. Absolutely true.

[Lurks Often]

3. Not going to see hard evidence either way for a while

IF it happens to be true, providing hard evidence could compromise the manner in which the information was gathered or cause ISIS IF it is operating in Mexico, to change their methods of operation and/or communication.

[Sheepshank]

6. Doesn't the fact that they are already alerted to being watched

in Juarez, sort of make it even dumber? I mean, I understand what you are trying to state regarding not giving out details, but giving away that they are on the radar makes the entire statement nonsensical

[Lurks Often]

10. Presuming of course that ISIS is in Mexico

giving out hard evidence would tell ISIS HOW we determined they are there, be it NSA intercepts of cell phones, someone undercover in Mexico, someone in Mexican law enforcement or government, etc

[bemildred]

4. The message is fear. Fear of what is not important. nt

[Sheepshank]

7. pisses me off...just had to unfriend someone from FB

because of the fear rhetoric they constatnly spout....it was getting so paranoid as to be toxic.

Yes, they are a bagger, but I'd know this person for very many years and it makes me sad that they have been converted to the "plastic sheeting with duct tape, the Moslem President who hates white America, shoot em all and teach your daughters to use AK 47" brigade.

[bemildred]

8. It's like watching a good friend become a drunk. nt

[Iggo]

5. Not afraid.

:yawn:

[Louisiana1976]

29. Me, neither. Those who say ISIS is in Mexico are obviously fearmongering.

[tblue37]

30. But...but...but--what if they are also infected with (gasp!) EBOLA!

Boogaboogabooga!!

[Vogon_Glory]

11. Being an ISIS Operative In Juarez Is Asking For Trouble

I'm surprised that anyone could seriously believe that ISIS has much of a presence in Juarez.

Being an ISIS operative in Juarez would be asking for trouble. Not only would being such would upset the duly-constituted US and Mexican authorities, it would probably upset the cartels.

I doubt the wing-nutz fully appreciate what that would mean. The cartels are as powerful or more powerful than the Mexican government. They have no reason to love a bunch of Wahabbis bent on setting off bombs or launching terror attacks. And such a dislike would have little root in Pollyanna notions about the goodness of humanity or law and order. Significant ISIS activity would be bad for business, and the cartels are even bloodier and more ruthless than the old United Fruit Co EVER dreamed of being.

I suspect an ISIS operative who fell into the cartels' hands would soon envy the lot of a HAMAS opative in the hands of the Israelis.

[Sheepshank]

12. hadn't thought of that angle

some good points to consider

[Vogon_Glory]

13. No Reason Why You Should

No reason why you should have.

No offense, meant, but if you're a progressive, you want to believe in the idea of justice, fairness, and freedom. Most of the world operates on a much older, less-egalitarian model--the one that asks questions like "What's in it for me?", "How do I benefit?" and "What have you done for me lately?"

Certainly the wing-nutz aren't going to think about the narco-cartels and why they wouldn't choose to co-operate with ISIS. The know-nothing loudmouths Faux Noise Cable Propaganda certainly aren't likely to ponder the likely actions of a powerful, ruthless, bloody-handed organization that would see its profitability and business interests threatened by ISIS border-area bomb or terrorist attacks turned from hypothetical to real. Nor are they likely to think that the cartels might have a planning horizon longer and broader than many American corporations, one that might decided that smuggling ISIS operatives into the US might be profitable in the short run, but causes the US authorities to clamp down even tighter on the illegal flow of people and illegal goods across the US--Mexican border.

In fact, many wing-nutz seem to have this incredible Evil-Barney-the-dinosaur worldview that the US' opponents will be magically drawn to each other and make alliances just because they oppose the US. Centrists and older-school Republicans would ask (Or would have asked if the latter weren't extinct) why should they? Aside from money-laundering and moving money around the planet, there is no real mid-term or long-term benefit to the Mexican narco-cartels to co-operating with ISIS--and plenty of reasons for them to oppose the expansion of ISIS operations into the western hemisphere.

[Avalux]

14. It's hooey. Dumb stupid fearmongering to get the gun nuts worked up.

I really think the people spreading this stuff want the crazies to show up at the border, ready to shoot anything that moves. Motivated by fear, of course.

[NuclearDem]

15. All you need to do with that is laugh.

Same as someone would do about the Central American Ebola nonsense.

[SidDithers]

17. Sounds like Tom Clancy's Against All Enemies...

Drug cartels working with Muslim terrorists.

Drug cartels get a supplier of opium, terrorists use the smuggling network to gain secret entry into the US.

The book wasn't very good.

Sid

[Vogon_Glory]

25. The drug cartels could cut out the Middle-Easterners and the Taliban and grow it themselves.

The drug cartels could cut out the Middle Easterners and the Taliban and grow opium poppies themselves. Now that marijuana is becoming increasingly legal here in the US, demand for Mexican-grown marijuana is likely to fall. I suspect that at least some of those former marijuana patches are going to be replanted with opium poppies instead.

[hifiguy]

18. Reichwing fear-mongering.

A couple of points:

The ISIL guys seem to be about as inconspicuous as a bear in a phone booth (remember phone booths?). Thus, even the dimmer sort of border/airline security types would probably be able to spot them rather easily.

How are they gonna get here?

The drug lords in Mexico, who can make ISIL look like pikers, would cut these cretins down like wheat before the scythe of Death (at least the Death in Terry Pratchett's books).

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep." -Stephen Stills

[LeftInTX]

19. This was on our local NBC affliate news in San Antonio

Yuck!!!!

The anchor said, "Judicial Watch has found intelligence that ISIS is in Juarez and is planning an attack on the United States".

They made it sound like Judicial Watch was some legitimate govt agency or something.

[freethought]

20. I saw this same thing on a FB post

An old high school friend of mine posted it as he does with other articles from fringe right wing sites. The one he posted was from JudicialWatch.com and our old friend ***sarcasm*** Larry Klayman. I took a look at it for the hell of it. It said the same thing.
However, down at the bottom was a tab that said "DONATE NOW!"

It's not about truth or evidence, it's about scaring people into giving them money.

[Vogon_Glory]

27. Citing Judicial Watch As A News Source Is Like Stamping

Citing Judicial Watch as a news source is like stamping "I'm from Dumb(cluck)istan" on your forehead.

[freethought]

33. I know but it puzzles me

I am in my late forties and new this guy from high school. I found out that he had moved to Kansas (Wichita) many years ago and made it his home. I can only assume he adopted the views of those around him. I wonder if he knows the Koch Brothers, who don't give a rats ass about him, operate out of Kansas.

Judicial Watch posts a page that yells "THE TERRORISTS ARE COMING!!!....GIVE US SOME MONEY!". I wonder if he actually noticed that.

[markpkessinger]

21. To that I can only say . . .

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. Laugh it up folks. It's even worse than any of us thought.

Mexico's coast is being swarmed with Islamic Communist Nazis who arrived there via sharks with freakin' laser beams in their heads.

[hifiguy]

24. Oh, Jebus!!

Not the sharks with lasers in their heads???!!!

[arcane1]

26. It's a great way to rile up their chicken-shit followers, that's for certain. n/t

[Cleita]

31. True because they are most likely to come through Canada, especially the

British ones. Brits who are members of the commonwealth like Aussies, Kiwis, English, No. Irish etc., etc. can travel at will among other commonwealth countries including Canada. Then they can come here. Now, an astute border guard may be able to spot a would be terrorist. Such a thing happened before 9/11 at the Canadian border when an alert guard stopped a guy transporting stuff to make bombs with. Yet, for some reason or other we are obsessed with the Southern border. I wonder why? Could a little racism be involved?

[Vogon_Glory]

32. Goodness, No, No Racism Involved From The Radical Right

Goodness, no. No racism involved from the Radical Right. When they use "dog whistle" rhetoric about "voter fraud," "food stamp abuse," or "Illegal aliens," there's no way they could possibly be using racial bigotry as a sub-text. And if you don't believe it, ask them--they'll set you straight.