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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome don't have the privilege
of just ignoring rape threats, as they are the ones to receive them.
So, others (who have not had this happen to them) and telling others to ignore or don't discuss is just another insult upon a gross verbal, possibly criminal, assault.
valerief
(53,235 posts)deep down I knew it was bullshit. He (?) got tombstoned.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)However, that doesn't negate the feelings one has when it happens.
And to have people telling you to ignore it and don't talk about it, sounds sort of like what many women are forced to do when they have been raped, due to the difficulty in prosecuting and the never ending questioning of the veracity of claims an accuser makes and putting oneself on trial. There is a shame associated with it.
This stuff needs to be discussed and dealt with. It is not a problem that can't be overcome.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Telling someone they should not talk about it is the same as condoning.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)such threats give in to the pervasive pressure to just keep quiet about them, those who never have to deal with such threats can continue to claim
~that those threats are not happening,
~or that they do not happen often enough for society as a whole to be concerned about them,
~or that when they do happen, whether they happen often or not, they really are just not that significant or scary for those who experience them
Any of those attitudes creates a general atmosphere that insists that nothing should be done because those threats are just not that big of a deal.
Furthermore, that same general atmosphere also denigrates the women who, having received such threats, dare even to mention that they have been threatened, much less that they are made uncomfortable or even terrified by being threatened in that way.
When the public at large had its nose rubbed in the reality of how black people, especially black men, are harassed, brutalized, and often even killed by police, even when they have done nothing to warrant suspicion, much less anything to justify such brutal treatment, a lot of essentially well-intentioned but careless white people who had been able to hide from that reality were forced to confront it and to "choose sides."
As a result, many previously uninformed white people (again, I am referring not to the out and proud racists, but to those who mean well but who just never bothered to become fully informed--and often because doing so would have been so darned uncomfortable and inconvenient for them) finally had to come out against the abuses perpetrated by our country's police forces against black citizens.
In the process, those previously uninformed people also ended up learning about the militarization of the police and about the fact that the cops can and do routinely and outrageously violate anyone's civil rights, with virtually no risk of ever being held accountable for their own criminal behavior. These people became aware at last that although their white skin might offer them somewhat more protection against police brutality than is afforded to people of color, it does not give them any guarantee that they won't be brutalized or even killed at any time, regardless of their innocence, by a cop on a power trip, or one who is just having a bad day and needs someone to take it out on.
Similarly, otherwise more or less well-meaning men who have hitherto maintained their ignorance about what women and girls are subjected to in terms of street harassment, sexual harassment and discrimination in the workplace, online threats, and physical sexual assaults must be informed about the reality of what women experience, including how pervasive it is and how very, very ugly it gets.
People who are not subjected to such behaviors don't know about them unless we make the information public and disseminate it widely. In general, not knowing is a comfortable condition, because as long as you don't know, you don't have to feel responsible for doing something about it. People are busy, and they have a lot of their own problems to deal with. Most will resist taking on the burdens carried by others when they know deep down inside that they themselves will not have to face those problems. That being so, a lot of people bury their head in the sand and go "Lalalalalalala," simply because they realize that if they are forced to actually know, they won't be able to stand on the sidelines and ignore the issue any longer.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)You would have to be as dumb as a sack of hammers not to realize that rape culture in America is endemic and that rape threats are a huge and terrifying part of that. And telling someone to just ignore a rape threat? Jesus - what kind of person would do that?
This would be the normal response if we lived in a sane and decent world; unfortunately we live in a world where people will argue that rape threats aren't to be taken seriously - and that reacting to the threat of rape by being horrified is somehow weak. Quite possibly in this very thread.
Bryant
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Violence as a solution to problems is taught from an early age.
The main push for that teaching is from conservative ideologues. The upcoming and expanding Liberal based mentality may conquer that violence based understanding.
Here on DU, there are few conservatives who are allowed to preach violence. It's a nice place. Many mean people are caught by MIRT these days, because we reject their ideas and their violence. But we are not yet perfect.
JaydenD
(294 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the site's ownership/admins.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)for dealing with a rape threat. I guess that might be true if you're an admin (of an online community where such threats are not prohibited) enjoying a weekend off with your family, trusting a Discussionist jury to handle it, and not facing the threat yourself. But DUers facing such threats definitely shouldn't bring such worries to DU. That's what I saw.
For context: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5471853
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I hope this never happens to the admin or one of their family but, I can't help but wonder if their handling and reaction of this situation would be
... different ...
always good to see you, Heidi
Heidi
(58,237 posts)but it will. Given this reality-based prediction, I hope that DUers can feel safe coming to this community to share their stories and seek comfort and advice about where to turn for justice. I've got their backs, and I know that you do, too.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)or their family ... they weigh in quickly enough if the like the offender ... (See the: "Being Called a Racist is Worse Than Actually Doing Racist Stuff" thread in AA ... it will lead you to the Admins prompt defense of the Doer and castigation of the PoC poster that called Racism.)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)to read that crap, as it was put, felt like he was stating how it was all my fault. You know, how were you dressed, why were you there, how much did you drink.....
And to see the kudos to that response, just made me feel like shit.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)How many times? How loudly? "Don't feed the trolls."
Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)The panel was on how women authors/bloggers/developers/performers deal with "trolls" and harassment online.
They almost unanimously said that the whole "Ignore it and they'll go away" thing never works.
The best disinfectant is to show everyone how putrid and vile they are, report things to the authorities, and then do whatever you can to block them and protect yourself.
I've always thought that the new DU/Discussionist way of "let the juries decide nearly everything" would result in the board plunging into the depths towards Yahoo, Reddit, and 4chan. Seems that when you remove any sort of Terms of Service, that's almost exactly what happens.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)It wasn't to stop them: they'd get their jollies no matter what.
It was to show everyone else what kind of putrid bile-laden vomit they're spraying all over the boards and twitter and everything else.
To show everyone else that "hey, this shit's real, and we have to deal with it every damn day."
tblue37
(65,340 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Most DUers aren't aware of the people who have a history of death threats, rape threats and otherwise nasty behavior who are noticed by MIRT and PPRed before they ever get a chance to post their vileness. A few try to sign up here multiple times every day. A few only sign up once in a while. But for those whose behavior and patterns are known, MIRT finds them and gets rid of them either before they ever post something vile or immediately after they do.
It's very rare for one of them to slip past MIRT.
If I'm not mistaken, no such thing exists on Discussionist, which relies strictly on juries for moderation. That makes it possible for someone to post vileness multiple times before becoming unable to post.
That's one difference between the two sites.
Thanks, MIRT! I'm looking forward to rejoining as soon as I'm eligible again.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)1) Call the police in your state or the FBI (interstate communications)
2) E-mail Skinner directly if this took place on Discussionist
3) If you want to get Skinner to answer in public, address the question in ATA
4) Shout from the rafters repeatedly on Discussionist (you may already be doing this).
I don't know if you were among the threatened. I do know BainesBaine was threatened, and I find the threats deplorable.