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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGod damn it! BREAKING MSNBC: Reports that Sotloff has been beheaded by ISIS
Details emerging...
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)N/t
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Response to philosslayer (Reply #1)
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HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)Not just Christians.
Damned if I get their motivation. This will neither result in us dropping fewer bombs nor providing fewer weapons and advisors to their enemies.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)I hope.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Different take.
840high
(17,196 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)thx
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)maxrandb
(15,287 posts)But no, fucking Bush and the wingnuts had watched too many Steven Segal movies.
Bush, Dick, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and the entire cast of Faux News and AM Hate Radio ought to be given some fucking flowers and be dropped off in Mosul!
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)were you poking fun at the LW penchant for trying peaceful tactics first?
And if you were poking fun at LW penchant for trying to make peace, are you so filled with sarcasm and hatred that you don't realize that the Left actually has an understanding when someone cannopt be negotiated with?
I'm thinking you are on the wrong BB
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts).
Fla Dem
(23,563 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)DustyJoe
(849 posts)Number one I don't want to coexist or walk in the shoes of animals that kill humans for pure pleasure.
Taking 1,500 men from a prison and mass executing 600 of them because they are a different muslim
religion than the terrorists for one ... Same religion and beliefs just a different sect ...
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http://www.hngn.com/articles/40208/20140825/isis-raids-iraqi-prisons-shoots-and-kills-shiite-prisoners.htm
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or slowly sawing off a persons head for video/political gain as the two journalists.
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These are the type of people that should be rewarded with carpet bombing regardless what shoes they wear because they are Animals, not human.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Kaleva
(36,238 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Very sad and tragic for the family.
spanone
(135,774 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Can't we just stay out of the place? The more we do, the more screwed up it's going to get. And it really started after WW2 when we carved up the middle east to suit our own needs, without respect to the people who were there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Tansy_Gold
(17,845 posts)Was done after WW1.
Ethnic and political tensions festered for 30+ years, and were exacerbated by the British withdrawal from the Palestinian Mandate (created in 1917) and partitioning into what became Israel and Jordan in 1947/48.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I thought the ME was carved up after WWII, basically to for oil. Did it happen after WW1, or partly after each war?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)with the defeat - and subsequent dissolution - of the ottoman empire. France and great Britain seized territory and claimed spheres of influence, according to the Sykes-Picot agreement; great britain took mesopotamia and Palestine / transjordan, and retained its holdings and influence in the Arabian peninsula and Egypt, while France took Greater Syria. There were also efforts to carve up the Anatolian peninsula between Greece, Russia, and Georgia, but a second war between Turkey and the Triple Entente there tuned that around pretty quickly.
France would eventually calve Lebanon off of Syria in order to create a Catholic christian state.. .but hte actual demographics didn't hold up too well for that plan, so they invented this weird demographics-based political system that... pretty much guarantees the state dissolves into civil war every time someone talks about actually following it (Lebanon hasn't conducted a census since 1933, because of this very issue.)
Britain, of course, invented Iraq, except for the part it called Kuwait instead, did some chopping and consolidating among the Emirates on the coastlines, and, very famously, implemented their oh-so-successful and bloodless Indian partition plan idea in Palestine, which has worked out so well for everyone.
and the cherry on top? The only reason the ottomans lost these territories is because of British-backed Arab revolts, with the promise of Arab state sovereignity, promised by the famed T.E. Lawrence. so that was a kind of reminder that the franj really hadn't changed policy much since the 11th century.
former9thward
(31,923 posts)were all drawn up by the British and French following WW I. The drew borders without regard to regional tribes or any other common interest. They just drew the borders to serve their own colonial interests after the War.
A goes to France and B goes to Britain.
A good article about all this by the BBC is here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25299553
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)It gives some details as to why everything's AFU. The feeling that I had, that our intervention could only fuck it up worse, is stronger.
lpbk2713
(42,735 posts)They may not know it but they just cancelled their own life insurance policy.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)They want us to engage them in war. Will it give them an excuse to retaliate? More ominously, do they have nukes to use on us that is making them so bold? I hope our intelligence has the goods on them or did all our good intelligence go down the drain when Valerie Plame got outted by Dick Cheney.
woodsprite
(11,900 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)A rallying cry for like minded jihadi's to rally against us, and help them secure their caliphate.
I don't think we will avoid another round of war in the Mideast.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)RKP5637
(67,083 posts)ratchet into another round. I don't think the end result will be betterment.
Ex Lurker
(3,811 posts)in trying to rule anything: They're so evil and demented that within a few weeks, everyone hates them Even the Nazis had local collaborators. ISIS will have no collaborators. and you can't govern like that for long. The way to defeat an insurgency is by indigenous forces who are motivated to resist. There will be no shortage of people willing to sign on, because it can't get any worse, and they have nothing to lose by doing so.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Is the solution? Why are we taking the bait?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nitpicker
(7,153 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)ISIS video shows beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff
By Josh Levs and Ashley Fantz, CNN
updated 3:46 PM EDT, Tue September 2, 2014
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Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)(http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014874797#post10)
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)Tough guy
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)I will send your thoughts and best wishes to DisgustipatedinCA.
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #10)
get the red out This message was self-deleted by its author.
Peacetrain
(22,871 posts)Insanity.. just plain and simple insanity
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)During WW2, the US government considered several ways of dropping nukes. One was totally psychological. They considered nuking Mt. Fuji. No real deaths would have occurred but a strong message would be sent to a nation that revered Fuji.
What does ISIS revere? Deliver an ultimatum. Follow through.
I am a pacifist by nature, but this sort of shit is like chess. Those shits need to be checkmated by whatever means necessary.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I have no heart for war. But there should be a way to checkmate such evil. I don't think threatening to bomb holy sites would help the situation, but there should be a way to stop letting these thugs have the upper hand short of war.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Their brand of fanaticism is so extreme that they see shines and tombs of religious leaders as something to be eradicated and they've blown up large numbers of them in Iraq. There was even an unverified report a few months ago that one of their members had threatened to blow up the Kaaba in Mecca.
So no, I don't believe there is any threat that would discourage them short of war.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)So many innocents to die for nothing. We all had such high hopes for an end to hostilities and American presence in Iraq.
Terribly sad and makes one feel so powerless!
starroute
(12,977 posts)The way to stop this short of war would have been not to have invaded Iraq eleven years ago. Or not to have fired the entire Iraqi army after we did invade. Or perhaps not to have covertly encouraged the overthrow of Assad.
But we created the conditions for war, and now we've got a war on our hands, like it or not. The best we can hope for is to get locals to do the boots-on-the-ground stuff while we provide air cover.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)or go on Fox to crow about what great strategists they were... And no one calls them on their lies. How many Americans even give a single damn what happens in the ME? They didn't care when we invaded under false pretenses. They didn't care when we killed huge numbers. They didn't care when no one was brought to justice. Why would they suddenly start to care? I can't see the public backing any more wars. Even just the air cover. Unless no one notices they happen.
I guess my big question is who do the Iraqis trust? I got fed that "they'll welcome US soldiers with flowers" propaganda last time. Is this any more likely now? We paint ourselves as good guys but we killed a lot of people. I can't see how the average Iraqi would trust us any more than the terrorists.
Did we manage to win any friends?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)them to handle this group. IMO we only mess things up worse when we go there. We went in the first time and forgot to use respect for their country and their culture. After that it was all down hill.
We can act with these ME countries but not without them.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Just Iraqis? Or a coalition of ME leaders?
We made such a mess of this while operation. Do we miss Saddam yet?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)yes they will use methods we hate here on DU but it seems we have been using those methods already under bushie and cheney.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)and it will be a long time before we can ever (if ever) recover from that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Fla Dem
(23,563 posts)And where is Jordan and Iran? Why does the United States have to be the one leading the offense against this extreme Muslim hoard? Are not these countries in the direct path of ISIS' goal of creating a caliphate from Morocco Spain to India? I am so tired of the US being the "go to " country for help.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)the Arabian world are most willing to fund terrorists yet unwilling to fund efforts to stop the insanity.
Renew Deal
(81,842 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)And I think that ISIS's response to opposition is likely to be anger and aggression, not fear and backing down.
I suspect - although I am very much armchair quarterbacking - that the only think that will/would stop them would be a ground war by superior forces.
I think the West is unlikely to supply the ground part of that force, but might well end up supporting e.g. Iraqi troops from the air quite heavily.
But even that will probably involve a lot of innocent people getting killed.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I mean, even if there was a ground war fought by superior forces, the bad thing about radical Islamists is that they just create more radicals using the deaths of the previous radicals.
starroute
(12,977 posts)They are holding territory, and that makes them vulnerable.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)so do they care if the locals suffer? They seem more like a criminal gang like the Taliban.
TommyCelt
(838 posts)I forget the origination of the quote, but to paraphrase, it went something like this...
"America fighting the War of Terror is like fighting a nest of hornets with a well-made baseball bat. Sure you can batter the nest and scores inside to smithereens...but a bat is no good against the cloud of hornets that remain."
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)It was advanced in WW2 as a way to avoid targetting civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US government chose not to go with this method.
And no I do not advocate nukes. Or ground forces. Just a threat to blow up something significant to ISIS. Do they not value anything?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Maybe we should pay them to behave. SIGH....
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)they will surpass the 129K-246K that hiroshima/nagasaka bombs killed
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I'm pretty sure if you're posting here, like me, you do not sit in on national security briefings
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I just recall that the US government discussed using a tactic like this in Japan in order to deliver a message with less loss of life. I do not want to see us in another ground war. Do you?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Sorry, I totally stated that badly. I was more thinking about how to stalemate them so they quit killing folks. Not with nukes. Some other form of weapons. Even drones sound better than ground troops. I guess this is the problem when their desire to murder exceeds our willingness to die.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We need to encourage a coalition between the four states most involved - Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Turkey. Support this coalition with intelligence and airstrikes - no ground forces, just recon and air power.
The hangup of course, is that regional unity and cooperation is exactly the opposite of US foreign policy in the middle east.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)better than mine.
Now I am thinking of a Trojan Horse...I guess I better retire from being a pundit of military strategy cause I suck.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)- Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Turkey."
And the odds of that happening are WHAT again?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Regional unity and cooperation is kind of the last thing the united states wants. So realistically, it's not something we would even aim for.
However if we did, there's no real impediment towards it happening. all four recognize ISIS as the greater threat currently. iraq and iran are already working together, and Iran and Syria are already fairly close allies. Turkey is nothing if not pragmatic.
CTyankee
(63,882 posts)back. But I am wondering if Obama is feeling like he has to do something militarily. Geez, this just keeps going on and on.
delta17
(283 posts)Make them afraid to sleep at night, make people afraid to associate with them. They want to play games, we can play games too. There should be a very steep price to pay for this kind of brutality.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Why insert ourselves into the middle of a conflict where Iran and Assad are fighting against an Al Qaeda offshoot? It's a win-win situation for us.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Not exactly a "clean" sword cut.
Ugggghhh....
They are certainly helping American overcome their aversion to dumping military might in the area.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Goad us into taking military action. I don't have a good answer for how the US should react. It's a horrible, barbaric act and so tragic for his loved ones. I'm sick about this.
polly7
(20,582 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Maybe the cycle of violence will only end if someone stops being violent.
Unless of course violence is what people want.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)I doubt their motivations are primarily a result of anything the US has done. It's just a handy excuse for them to spout out.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)There are probably many ways, and one of those ways seems to be violence. I wonder how many of my loved ones I could lose to murder before I wanted to shed blood.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)anti partisan
(429 posts)As if we need to step in there and "tell" a group of people (of course with plenty of violence and destruction) who they want to be led by. Some people even have the gall to call this "democracy".
It has never worked before, and will continue to not work.
Of course, we will continue to radicalize them because people get rich off it. How many Sunni Muslims are there? How many are in ISIS? We need to focus our policy on increasing the non-radical to radical ratio because it is the only way long-term peace will be achieved.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Who is a member of ISIS? Apparently not all of them are from the ME - some are Americans, Brits, and French, etc.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)since he spent some time with them in Syria earlier this year.
Cha
(296,726 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)My heart aches for his mother.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Condolences to the family. Another death GWB is responsible for.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Pieces of shit.
highmindedhavi
(355 posts)"So when you meet those who disbelieve, strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom them until the war lays down its burdens. That is the command. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them Himself, but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds."
Sura 47:4
Enrique
(27,461 posts)ok i'll play
Deuteronomy 21:18-21New International Version (NIV)
A Rebellious Son
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard. 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
I didn't know being stubborn and rebellious makes one a glutton and a drunkard.
Guess we all learn something old everyday...
Kablooie
(18,605 posts)You just have to say it.
Those are just the magic words that will relieve you of your progeny.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Maybe you haven't noticed, but holy books don't have terribly great internal consistency.
These guys are killing and pillaging because they're assholes with guns. Their religion is just a cover - and a pretty poor one, as evidenced by the, what is it, two billion Muslims on the planet who are absolutely nothing like these shitheads? Some number like that.
But hey, don't let me step on your incitement and bigotry party. It's DU after all, the Admins seem to love shit like this.
kiranon
(1,727 posts)of sign in the heavens that is called for in the quran to indicate that their god is greatly displeased with ISIL. It's time for special effects of a superlative nature to cause evil to stop. I believe the leadership is using religion and barbarism to gain control over people and land and using these religious zealots/murderers as their shock troops. If they succeed, the powers behind the shock troops will have to kill off all of these zealots themselves and will do so to protect what they have gained. In the meantime - drones and air strikes work well until the heavens part, thunder roles down the mountains, signs are seen in the heavens and voices are heard that make the zealots turn away. Without the zealots, the real leaders are no more of a threat than any other power seekers and are stripped of their ability to terrorize.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Hope Obama uses his drone technology to target ISIS leadership. Make #1 "0" and #2 into #1...then "0" and repeat until no one wants to be head of ISIS.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,220 posts)trust, has to be on the ground to provide intelligence so as to limit collateral damage. I agree, however, that something has to be done, and I don't mean sitting around trying to negotiate with these murderous assholes. It's amusing now to hear Congress critters who opposed Obama's call for action in Syria last year, saying that he's been too timid, or he "hasn't done enough".
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)have been a disaster for Intel in the Middle East.
He said it as an aside, like we all know this right?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,220 posts)the intel community, and from the Kremlin's point of view, I'm sure they're taking full advantage of that. The question now is, how many more of these beheadings are we gonna be treated to? And if we don't respond somehow, what does that say to N. Korea, and all the other monsters who have our citizens in custody?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Snowden revealed information about that new ways to communicate were developed.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)My guess: when Russia finally invades Ukraine, we will topple Assad and occupy Syria.
leftstreet
(36,097 posts)The United States has added Cuba, Libya and Syria to the nations it claims are deliberately seeking to obtain chemical or biological weapons.
US Under Secretary of State John Bolton
Bolton: singled out Cuba for particular criticism
In a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil", US Under Secretary of State, John Bolton said that the three nations could be grouped with other so-called "rogue states" - Iraq, Iran and North Korea - in actively attempting to develop weapons of mass destruction.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1971852.stm
I've heard no word since then that Syria was taken off the table...
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Not sure how that is in our US interests at all. Russians would still have access to the Med. Sea. Why would we occupy Syria? We could have done that by staying in Iraq and made our troops a magnet to attract radical ME extremists...except we'd have the oil-fields.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Liberman-warns-that-Israel-will-topple-Assad-if-he-attacks-325664
You raise good points on the oil. Perhaps since ISIS combines Syria and Iraq, any military move going forward would also combine them.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Harry Truman observed in 1941 (before Pearl Harbor) that the best thing for America to do would be to let the Russians and the Germans kills each other, though noting that Hitler was the greater evil and could not ultimately be allowed to prevail under any circumstances.
I think in this situation, ISIS is Hitler and Assad is Stalin. You want to weaken both of them as much as possible and eventually you hope that neither gains control of the country, but at the end of the day Assad is the lesser evil than ISIS.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)that sets us up to save the day, again.
ISIS is the new al-Qeada -- about 6,000 Saudi-backed mercs and extremists. The scenario is like those old door to door vacuum cleaner salesmen; when you open the door they throw al-Qeada or ISIS on the carpet then the USA offers to come in and clean it up.
It was one year ago almost to the day that we heard about Assad (or ???) using chemical weapons. This year ISIS pops up as a crISIS with exactly the same timing. Hmmmmm.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Whether Obama admits it or not, our de facto strategy is to let Assad/Iran and ISIS kill each other. He may intervene in a limited manner if it ever looks like ISIS might actually win, but he's demonstrated he's in no hurry to do so.
Obama is bloodletting, just as Harry Truman suggested we do with the Nazis and the Soviets. He won't say 'I'm just going sit back and let them kill each other' on television because that would be a public relations disaster, but that's what he's doing.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)While the method IS uses is sensationalist and disturbing, the end result is the same. A dead innocent.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)The time to stop this was BEFORE we started killing people to protect "our" oil. Every person who has died as a result of this idiotic adventure has someone who grieves their loss. It isn't hard to sign up people to avenge those deaths- remember 9-11??
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Fucking hell!
RKP5637
(67,083 posts)you do, damn if you don't.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,220 posts)for this sort of horrific PR stunt? Other bad actors are watching to see how we respond to this. And for those upthread claiming that the US is just as barbaric....?
Ever hear of false equivalence?
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)As long as we are less wrong than they are, we are right?
There is no way to justify this kind of brutality- no question about that. But that does not absolve us of responsibility for the many lives that have been lost at our hands. The people we killed are just as dead. Their families are just as devastated. In your false equivalency, which dog are we?
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)samsingh
(17,590 posts)anything I say about them cannot give justice to the extent of their disgusting crimes
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)samsingh
(17,590 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)samsingh
(17,590 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)I hate to admit it but I am officially terrorized by these monsters.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sorry, I don't have a suggestion on how to respond. All I know is that our bombs are no better than these actions.
Even if one doesn't care about innocent Muslims, we killed more of our guys in Iraq than died on 9/11. That doesn't atone for anything.
mvd
(65,151 posts)Bush's illegal war in Iraq opened things up for horrible actions like today's purported execution. Hussein, while not a good guy, had the extremists under control. Then our war gave them a safe haven! The President is in a tough position because we do not want a war again but need to keep ISIS under control. I am in favor only of targeted action as I am quite anti-war: I don't oppose all action but am dovish for sure.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They had to flee after bush.
I agree with the carefully targeted actions -- like drones.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The video also showed a man identified as British Journalist David Cawthorne Haines. He is kneeling and wearing an orange jumpsuit as the militant threatens to kill him next.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/video-purports-to-show-beheading-of-american-1409679186?mod=e2tw
I can't imagine the fear these guys must feel knowing what awaits them. It's heartbreaking.
Botany
(70,433 posts).... hornet's nest.
And btw I don't ant to hear shit from John McCain either.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Botany
(70,433 posts)... by Saddam in Iraq before we invaded in that unneeded and illegal war. This is a classic
case of "blow back." In late winter 2003 I remember Joe Wilson was on NPR and he said
something like we can be in Baghdad in a week but that is when the trouble will start because
Iraq has 103 different sides and they all hate each other.
BTW that murdering bastard who sliced off those two people's heads really needs to meet
and spend some time w/a Navy Seal Team or some Marine Recon Commados.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)thats eye for an eye, not our system of justice, and besides the death penalty is not progressive.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)What about the innocents that will be killed?
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)We don't need to murder a lot of innocents, plus that would also create many enemies and make the situation much worse.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)just a little uprsing, they are freedom fighters afterall cut em some slack,
Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)I wanted to cry. Devastating to his family.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)vanlassie
(5,661 posts)Cha
(296,726 posts)Executed Journalist Steven Sotloff Noted for His Heartfelt War Reporting
"ISIS appears to have cruelly executed American journalist Steven Sotloff just one week after his mother pleaded with the group's leader to "be merciful" and spare her son.
Shirley Sotloff's heartbreaking bid for her son's life was ignored and video was released today indicating he was the second American journalist to be beheaded by the Islamic militant group, ostensibly in retribution for U.S. planes bombing ISIS fighters in Iraq.
Sotloff's parents have declined any media interviews and have been enduring an agonizing wait after James Foley was executed last month and Sotloff was shown on his knees, wearing an orange jumpsuit and threatened with execution. Their only public words were Shirley Sotloff's video message to ISIS' caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi saying, "I ask you justice be merciful and not [to] punish my son for matters he has no control over. I ask you to use your authority to spare his life.
more..
http://abcnews.go.com/International/executed-journalist-steven-sotloff-noted-heartfelt-war-reporting/story?id=25077040
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)no money=no war.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Let the ME countries handle this. Every time we go in there we create more zealots and innocent civilians pay the price.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Not just knowing your child was murdered in a horrific manner, but having a video of it going out around the world.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)We play their game if we respond in the traditional American way. Sorry about the guy. But tough break. Send in wetworks teams and start killing the financiers. Like say targets in the Saudi Arabian royalty. Handle ISIS money in any way, you become a viable target. Watch how fast this stops then.
Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)Two of my brothers served, one's a Lifer and the other was in for 4 years and could be called back any time. What I'm hearing from the White House about this is bone chilling-
I don't want my brothers in that region, it's not worth it. I care about the good people of the Middle East, I wish them well but not at the expense of Boots on the Ground.
Invading Iraq was the worst possible thing we could have done and ISIS, and the like, are the result of that. Our Military should not be asked to pay the price of their lives for the Deliberate and Willful War Crimes of the Bush Administration.
macllyr
(83 posts)Obviously, ISIS is a good candidate for the first deployment on the ground of vicious war killer-robots
I can help.
SkyNet
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)with billions of dollars and tons of surplus military equipment and to stop destabilizing regions for corporate needs. I dunno. Seems like it might help.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Getting mad and now what? A few more billion should be wasted? It's neverending and we never learn.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)may not be worth anything to you, but upon hearing that he had been beheaded, my initial reaction was horror.
I don't know what the answer is. I suppose we could do what you're willing to do, just shrug off these beheadings as if those lives do not matter.