Nine year girl complained the Uzi was heavy and hurt her shoulder

[Jeneral2885]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-girl-said-uzi-was-too-much-her

Apologies if reposted before...

9-year-old girl who accidentally killed an instructor with an Uzi at an Arizona shooting range said immediately after the shooting that she felt the gun was too much for her and had hurt her shoulder, according to police reports released Tuesday.

Her family members were focused on the girl because they thought she was injured by the gun's recoil and didn't immediately realize instructor Charles Vacca had been shot until one of his colleagues ran over to him.

[FLPanhandle]

1. I feel bad for the girl

The parents and the instructor should have known better.

The girl may have guilt over this for a long time.

[grahamhgreen]

4. This could traumatized her for life.

[Jeneral2885]

8. report said

her father shot the Uzi or another Uzi first. Then she was next up. Never explained why the parents allowed her to handle it.

[ZombieHorde]

2. Handing an UZI to a 9 year old

demonstrates a lack a respect for firearms, in my opinion.

[Scootaloo]

3. It demonstrates a lack of a LOT of things n/t

[ZombieHorde]

5. I hold the same opinion, but

I chose to focus on the firearms because people who are strongly pro-firearms often talk about respecting firearms.

[Jeneral2885]

9. people who are pro-firearms

talk that owning and shooting them advances their rights. Not sure what right either the father (who shot first) and the little girl (who clearly shoould not have shot or even held it) was advanced.

[Xyzse]

6. That is where I focused my attention to as well.

[tblue37]

7. The owner of the shooting range claimed that shooting an Uzi was on

the little girl's bucket list. I don't believe that for a minute. If it was on any list, it is because her idiot parents put it there.

I bet her parents are extreme gun lovers who wanted a video of their child shooting an Uzi to post on their Facebook page and to gain status with other gun extremists.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. I wonder if being shot by a 9 year-old with an Uzi

was on the instructor's bucket list.

Shoulda been, I guess.

[BrotherIvan]

23. Please don't make me laugh!

Now I feel guilty.

[ladywnch]

13. in the initial report I saw about this stated that

her parents were shooting a "tutorial". I'm sure they were going to post it on You Tube to show how safe and easy it all is...see even a 9 year old girl can do this...... Morons!

[JI7]

17. this is exactly what i have been thinking happened, the fucking gun nut asshole parents wanted pics

to show off to other assholes.

and probably the type that will post about weak liberal adult men and compare them to their tough daughter with a gun .

[marions ghost]

18. I think you have a point

tough guys like to brag about their wife or daughter's gun interest or skills. Even if they're not very good handling one in reality. It's all about the image.

[MoonchildCA]

22. "...on her bucket list."

Like 9-year-olds have bucket lists...

And really, even if she did, I don't think her time clock was running out to complete it. At the age of 9, I think one may have a few years left in them. If getting married is on a 9-year-old's bucket list, should they do it now?

Some peoples arguments are so ridiculous!

[IdaBriggs]

11. What is it they say about guns? "Guns Don't Kill - People Do."

Someone needs to put that girl in a Time-Out.



Poor kid.

[Journeyman]

12. You want to call this an accident, but willful neglect of basic safety rules is criminal. . .

The child was an unwitting accomplice to some major stupidity, and in this case, the stupid truly did hurt. I'm just sorry the little girl will have to live with the remembrance of her guardians' idiocy the rest of her life.

[TexasProgresive]

14. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."-George Santayana

By SUSAN HAIGH
Posted Oct. 28, 2008 @ 12:01 am
Updated Oct 28, 2008 at 7:53 AM

Westfield, Mass.

With an instructor looking on, the 8-year-old boy at a gun fair aimed the Uzi at a pumpkin and pulled the trigger as his dad reached for a camera.

It was his first time shooting a fully automatic machine gun, but the recoil of the weapon was too much for him. He lost control, fatally shooting himself in the head.

Now gun safety experts — and some gun enthusiasts at the club where the shooting happened — are questioning why such a young child was allowed to fire a weapon used on battlefields. Local, state and federal authorities also are investigating whether everyone involved in the incident had proper licenses or if anyone committed a criminal act.
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/article/20081028/News/310289876

[ManiacJoe]

21. Same gun, same problem.

The mini uzi is very small and hard to hold on to, thus hard to control.
The full-size uzi is much easier to hold on to and to control.
The instructor chose poorly in matching the weapon to the user in both cases.

[Jeneral2885]

15. A tale of two girls, and parent(s)

http://time.com/3222257/a-tale-of-two-9-year-olds-the-one-on-the-playground-and-the-one-with-an-uzi/

Apparently, it's wrong to leave your child alone in a playground when you have no money to hire a babysitter. You can be arrested and lose custody of your only child. But damn, it's legal to let a nine year old child to fire a Uzi, even though you didn't expect that terrible act to happen. But most of all, you the parents, are damn lucky you aren't charged like the poor mother who didnt deliberately neglect her daughter.

[Paladin]

16. This is the sort of thing that happens when guns are regarded as toys, rather than serious objects.

We have the modern-day, radicalized gun culture to blame for this destructive mindset. Guns with pink stocks. Rifles openly carried into restaurants and shopping malls. Firearms with military styling, so middle-aged individuals never have to stop playing soldier. And 9 year-olds with fully automatic Uzi's. Tragic, and ridiculous.

[conservaphobe]

19. Thankfully the real victim in this incident walked away without a scratch. nt

[tblue37]

20. This incident reminds me of something that happened several years ago

concerning the laws RWers push to limit access to abortion.

Quite a few years ago, though I don't remember how many, I read an article about a state representative somewhere down south who had been the main guy involved in writing and pushing through a state parental notification law for minors who wanted an abortion.

When his own daughter became pregnant, she was too ashamed and scared to tell her fundie parents about it, so because of the parental notification law her father had pushed through the legislature, she had no way to get a safe, legal abortion. Instead, she went to an unregulated and highly questionable practitioner for what we used to call a back-alley abortion. She died from complications following the procedure.

After his daughter’s death, the representative, grief-stricken and remorseful, began working tirelessly to repeal the law that had led to her death, and he traveled around giving talks about it to any group he could get to listen to him.

When I think about the 8-year-old boy who killed himself when trying to fire an Uzi he was too small to control, or this little girl whose life will never be the same after she accidentally killed the instructor who put that Uzi into her hands, I find myself wondering whether the parents of that boy or the parents of this girl have become even a little bit enlightened.

Are they still die-hard (no pun intended) extremist gun lovers, Second Amendment absolutists, who think that there should be absolutely no limits, no commonsense legislation to control guns and the use of guns in the US?

Or have they decided that maybe there should be more regulation of guns and of shooting ranges like the one where their daughter suffered a trauma she will never get over, and where a man lost his life because he was either too stupid or too fanatical to recognize that small children should not be encouraged to shoot weapons that they do not have the body mass or the physical strength to control.

[BrotherIvan]

24. That's quite a good question

[Jeneral2885]

25. not an expert on different states legisation

but the Founding Fathers most definitely didn't want 1) zero to very little cases of abortion. Fortunately or unfortunately for today's America, there is no right to "abortion" or no right to no having an abortion.

2) I very much doubt the FFs (sounds rude) wanted nine year old children to learn how to fire automatic/semi automatic/assault weapons or guns or anything related to a gun. They never specified age, race, or gender limit but that does not mean anyone from birth should or must fire a weapon.

[Jeneral2885]

26. parents weren't exactly Americans

http://www.theage.com.au/national/girl-9-who-shot-instructor-at-arizona-range-lived-in-mosman-sydney-20140906-10db2b.html

Mr MacLachlan is a US citizen and it is believed his wife is Australian

Ivy League-educated Mr MacLachlan was the chief executive officer of the funds management division at Dixon Advisory Australia before moving to the US mid-2013 to be head of strategy at Dixon Advisory USA. The American branch office is located in Jersey City.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/girl-9-who-shot-instructor-at-arizona-range-lived-in-mosman-sydney-20140906-10db2b.html#ixzz3CXbHMzLD