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Shieldmaidens are not a myth! A recent archaeological discovery has shattered the stereotype of exclusively male Viking warriors sailing out to war while their long-suffering wives wait at home with baby Vikings. (We knew it! We always knew it.) Plus, some other findings are challenging that whole rape and pillage thing, too.
And it's good to see a lot more women fighting these days for what they believe in.
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Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I've heard of the term Shieldmaidens before, and they were reputed to be TOUGH.
Glad to see this actually.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Vikings themselves left plenty of evidence already in their myths, on runestones, even in early christian-era texts. Hell, the account of the Norse evacuation of Vinland involves a woman terrifying the "scraelings" (native Innu) by chopping at her bare breasts with a sword while her family runs for the boats during a raid.
I guess this just stands as a reaffirmation that our perception of history is still deeply anglo-centric
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I guess the whole viking burning boat burial is a myth also?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The series "Vikings" show women on the raids and involved in battle.
Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)You'll find that some of the soldiers were women as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C3%A9s_de_Su%C3%A1rez
And some were black free men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Garrido
littlemissmartypants
(22,629 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)They chose who would live and who would die in battle. Armed to the teeth, they were.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)The sister of Lief Erickson bared her breasts and beat her chest with a sword which caused the Skraelings(Indians) to scatter in fear.
"Freydis came out and saw how they were retreating. She called out, "Why run you away from such worthless creatures, stout men that ye are, when, as seems to me likely, you might slaughter them like so many cattle? Let me but have a weapon, I think I could fight better than any of you." They gave no heed to what she said. Freydis endeavoured to accompany them, still she soon lagged behind, because she was not well [pregnant]; she went after them into the wood, and the Skrælingar directed their pursuit after her. She came upon a dead man; Thorbrand, Snorri's son, with a flat stone fixed in his head; his sword lay beside him, so she took it up and prepared to defend herself therewith.
Then came the Skrælingjar upon her. She let down her sark and struck her breast with the sword. At this they were frightened, rushed off to their boats, and fled away. Karlsefni and the rest came up to her and praised her zeal."
TRoN33
(769 posts)underpants
(182,736 posts)I just spent 10 minutes searching YouTube for their cover of "Sea of Madness".
Note to self - read more of the article
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)filtered through the prejudice of those who described the discoveries. It's really hard to root out all of our biases.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)She's one of several Viking experts on staff (she's got her masters in medieval archaeology) and they have a lot of excellent links.
K&R!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I wish were an expert on Vikings.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)fractures and other damage consistent with battle experience would be convincing.
It's more likely that 50% of those who came over were women SOME of which may have also fought in battle.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)There were a lot of women on the Mayflower too. But killing natives was primarily a male privilege.
I imagine the same was true of the Danish invasions of Ireland and England. While the invading Danish nobles married recently widowed English noble ladies, it appears the rank-and-file brought along their wives.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)proReality
(1,628 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)So the realities of boob-plate armor for us mere mortals might not apply to them.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They thought they were men merely because they were buried with shields.
Omaha Steve
(99,573 posts)Marta is Danish, with a little German.
And then there was "How to Train Your Dragon"!
KT2000
(20,572 posts)in what is now northern Scotland also had female and male hunters and warriors. It is said the women warriors went topless while fighting to distract enemy male warriors.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Scatha, a Scottish warrior goddess in Scotland.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)How does that work?
KT2000
(20,572 posts)But they had club, hatchets and swords too.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I agree with the comments more than the article. It's been known since UK excavations in the 1970's discovered female skeletons with Scandinavian build/bone ratios buried in mass graves with male Scandinavians. A lot of 'warrior' graves discovered pre-1960's were automatically assumed to be male, but with the rise of forensics and osteological examination, 'gendered' burials are getting re-examined. 50% is way too high and is nowhere near proven, but women did participate in Viking expeditions. Also, almost all of the rape/pillaging/village burning records are written by Christian monks, and while there is a small amount of evidence that a few locations were pillaged/burned, the majority have no archaeological record of such destruction. There are a lot of Anglo-Saxon women buried with spear heads too, which are usually of an earlier date than most of the known Viking burials outside of Scandinavia.
Interesting stuff!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Thanks for the link to medievalists.net
elias7
(3,997 posts)Thanks.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)It's a lot of fun playing "spot the historical inaccuracies".
hatrack
(59,583 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Docross
(39 posts)I can't remember which General it was ..years ago that said, "I will NOT have women on the front lines!" And the person asking him started to say,"Well of COURSE not, women couldn't handle.." And the General cut him off and said, "NO, it's because if they killed one of their friends, they would attack and kill anything that moved. And they would NOT take an order to retreat!"
Favorite: Robin Williams- "A woman should be President. They wouldn't make a bomb that would kill you. They'd make a bomb that might make you feel bad for awhile..."
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Being buried with weapons and armor was a sign of the family's status, not that they were necessarily a warrior.
hatrack
(59,583 posts)Yoicks!