Saw this today and I cried

[SummerSnow]

Heartbreaking image by an Iraqi artist taken in an orphanage. This little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her.

[malaise]

1. Thank Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Powell

and all those who voted to illegally invade and occupy Iraq.
And now they are all shocked at the reaction.
Never forget who sanctioned torture and who committed war crimes.

[Dont call me Shirley]

59. They only act shocked so as to not sully their public "image"

Really they are quite pleased with their genocidal selves, since they consider the 99% nothing more than cockroaches to be exterminated. Sick f#¥£€rs they are indeed.

[malaise]

67. Not sure

Bush now looks like a mad painter trying to escape from himself.

[bigwillq]

65. and Clinton and Obama (nt)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Greatest Page for this heartbreaking image...n/t

[Mika]

3. PLEASE give credit to the artist who took pictures you post rather than just plagiarizing it.

The photo is called "I Have A Mother" by Iranian photographer, Bahareh Bisheh
http://www.lilandcloe.com/2014/06/i-have-mother-childhood-by-bahareh.html?m=1

[SummerSnow]

4. No intention to plagiarized it. Didn't know the artist name.

if I did plagiarize it , I would have taken credit for it.But I did not. But in my post I did mention that an Iraqi artist did it.

[Mika]

10. Bahareh Bisheh is an Iranian artist.

How do you find out who took photos, so you can post an attribution?
You go to google images and click on the camera icon in the search phrase window.. you then either post the pic's URL or upload the picture. Google searches for that picture.

Cheers.

[MoleyRusselsWart]

12. Jesus why do

so many of you get off on humiliating and insulting well meaning people over any minor issue you can drudge up?

Because you know you're not making yourself look intellectually superior, your making DU look like a really nasty, unfriendly place.

[elias49]

15. Hear, hear. Thank you. SO much of that goes on here it's sad. n/t

[sabrina 1]

42. Thank you, good question. There are ways to provide someone with information they obviously didn't

have. A little kindness goes a long.

I remember that photo and cried too when I first saw it. This is what Bush/Cheney et al did to countless beautiful children, those who didn't themselves die.

Until this country acknowledges its guilt and begins the prosecutions that are so long overdue, we will continue to be viewed as the biggest threat to world peace.

Beautiful, poignant photo.

Editing to say I have read further down in the thread that this particular photo is not one of those taken of Iraqi children, but the artist's relative.

However there are many photos of the children of Iraq, quite a few taken by Dahr Jamail during the occupation. Sadly many of them were dead, others badly wounded. He was one of the bravest photo journalists during the Bush invasion of that country. He was a witness to the horrible crimes committed there.

I'm happy to learn that this child was not one of them.

[Mira]

46. Beautifully stated. My sentiments exactly! n/t

[marble falls]

48. Exactly right. This seemed more an attempt to derail the OP than an honest interjection.

[jtuck004]

56. And voting time is coming, lol. n/t

[Vine Gatherer]

61. X100, MRW!

[MoleyRusselsWart]

62. What does that mean?

[Vine Gatherer]

63. That I echo your sentiments 100 times over

[calimary]

66. Welcome to DU, Vine Gatherer!

Good to have you with us! I echo those sentiments another +100! Hey, We ALL need each other, especially NOW. NOW is when Dems everywhere have to start doing a little better at bonding and having each other's backs. We are our own worst enemies sometimes, I'm afraid. It becomes tiresome after awhile when it seems as though all you see is criticism. Criticism sometimes just for the sake of criticism and the "favorite indoor sport" of chopping each other up, seems to me. Just for the love of stirring things up. Look: we're COLLECTIVELY up against an enemy that would eagerly do that to us every other minute of every hour of every day and double that on Sundays. Why is it that so many among us, the supposed "good guys," seem hellbent on beating the bad guys to it?

I never was all that impressed with the individual who sits there on the sidelines and boasts - "I'm playing devil's advocate here..." Um - NO YOU'RE NOT. You're playing 'devil's ARROGANT'!"

[calimary]

64. Welcome to DU, MoleyRusselsWart!

Glad you're here. Even gladder that you wrote this. Frankly, if SummerSnow had not posted the photo (which WAS credited to another photographer), I would never have seen it in the first place, and would never have known it had ever existed - at all.

[llmart]

68. Agreed.

This is probably one of the reasons people leave DU. It also mirrors our society today. So many people trying to feel superior to someone else. They are small people who live small lives.

[SummerSnow]

13. Amazing. I'm being interrogated and judged.lol

Since you provided the artist's name I'm sure all appreciate it. Stop being petty. Your complaint truly takes away from the childs sad situation.

[Mika]

21. OK. The child's situation? Want to explain how you got your orphanage story?

The child is not in an orphanage.

Maybe you should edit that fiction out of your OP.

[JNelson6563]

55. Sadly your "you suck as a human being" message

Is far more memorable than the instructive one. You may want to consider: It's not so much what you say but how you make people feel that is remembered.

Julie

[maddiemom]

60. I have no skin in this game, and have avoided posting images

for this very reason. My daughter is in advertising/public relations and those in the business have a huge catalog of celebs who will do advertising and their terms and fees. Even so, I don't find it worth the trouble to post anything more than my thoughts.

[uppityperson]

14. You are not using that word correctly since the OP did not claim credit for the photo

She did not give the source, but did not try and claim credit for it being their own work. If you are concerned about correctly attributing the source, please ask for that instead of accusing someone of stealing.

from various online dictionaries, I copy/pasted these definitions.
-to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
-take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own
-an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author:

[Mika]

19. Then, explain the made-up orphanage story in the OP. eom

[uppityperson]

25. I did a search for "Bahareh Bisheh" and found this graphic....

I am not taking credit for making this photo or graphic, but found it via a search. It is possible that there was an incorrect story that the OP saw with the photo also. As far as plagiarism, they did NOT take credit for the photo, so it wasn't plagiarism.


She did not give the source, but did not try and claim credit for it being their own work. If you are concerned about correctly attributing the source, please ask for that instead of accusing someone of stealing.

[SummerSnow]

24. Thank you. Obviously Mika is stressing about the op.lol.

I didnt make up the op it was posted on pinterest where I saw it next to the image. She isn't moved by the photo sadly.

[uppityperson]

29. Other links say the little girl is the photographer's cousin, not in an orphanage.

While a striking photo, it might be good to change that part. It is a striking photo, but looks like the orphanage part isn't accurate. Thank you.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/7577505576/page1/#comment72157632168406927

This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative.
It is a style of photography
You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the photographer of this photo.
thanks to all for the consideration .

[Mika]

30. I'm concerned over the made up false narrative, as well as the lack of attribution.

The accurate story behind this pic, as well as the artist who produced it is easy to find.
You were too lazy to check your source. Checking sources and giving proper attribution is one of the things so many like about DU.
Would be nice if you contributed on this front.
How about editing your OP to reflect the truth - the accurate story and the correct artist attribution.

BTW, my gender is male.

[SummerSnow]

34. concerned? take it easy dude.

roflmao. Why so serious? Lol. This picture mentions the op that I posted on several websites. I didnt make up the op and you know that. However, you insist on whining about all this time. Attention much.

[MoleyRusselsWart]

37. Narcissism (eom)

[Brickbat]

5. No need to cry.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/7577505576/page1/#comment72157632168406927

The artist, Bahareh Bisheh, says:

This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration.

[Scootaloo]

7. Woof, emotional roller coster

Click thread. instant depression, scroll down, well I feel better now!

[Brickbat]

11. It's a clever photo. It just doesn't need a made-up orphanage story to go with it.

[uppityperson]

17. Thank you for the information about the photo, subject, photographer

that is better. It is quite the picture.

[Brickbat]

32. It's a lovely picture, and can say a lot about the power of love and protection.

No need to add on much else with that, really.

[lpbk2713]

6. This should be posted on every bulletin board on Capitol Hill.

Pentagon too.

[SummerSnow]

8. It should, but they would have to have a heart to be moved

[closeupready]

54. 'Profits trump peace' - hehe.

[etherealtruth]

9. Very tragic and very moving n/t

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. plus 1

[840high]

28. Not an orphan.

[polly7]

18. Heartbreakingly sad. nt.

[840high]

26. This child is not an orphan.

[polly7]

31. That doesn't matter.

The message is heartbreaking, that child being an orphan or not - and yes, there were thousands/(tens of, hundreds of thousands?) of Iraqi children left orphans. The image IS powerful and sad.

[Brickbat]

33. Why is it not a statement on the warmth and protection love brings?

It doesn't have to be a heartbreaking photo. The false context makes it so.

[polly7]

35. For me, it's both.

But more-so because I know the devastation the invasion had on so many innocent children who definitely are orphaned.

[Schema Thing]

41. The truth doesn't matter so long as we catapult the propaganda. AMIRIGHT??

can I get a hoorah!?

[840high]

43. URRIGHT.

[polly7]

47. Oh get over yourself!

For 'me' the exact circumstances of the photo do NOT matter as I know the truth of the carnage in Iraq and the effect on the children. The message is exactly right - innocent children are left without the love, protection and presence of mothers, fathers and normal lives as your children know it. HOORAH!!!!!

[Schema Thing]

49. Hoorah! for the ministry of truth and justice!

Great picture. Goddamn lie in the text accompanying it. And so very unnecessary. It could just as easily have said "X-number of Iraqi children are w/o their parents tonight, due to the 2003 invasion", or somesuch.

Or, and this is a bold idea, the picture could be passed around without any text; just appreciated for the poignant artistic message it sends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! omg, I think I'm a genius! I should probably get over myself.

[polly7]

50. What bothers you the most, the message?

Anything, real or staged to show what IS real for so many of those children and the TRUTH of what happened in Iraq is fine by me, sorry it bothers you this much (not really).

[Schema Thing]

51. please reread my post above

and then don't ask if the message "bothers me", because no one has that poor reading comprehension.

I made clear what bothers me. Please don't act as if this is about you appropriately caring for Iraqi children, it's about you not appropriately caring about integrity in messaging.


You'll note that if the picture had been dealt with honestly in the first place, it would have MORE power to inspire, since we, and others in this thread would not be discussing the fact that it was used in a bullshit fashion - in a style which mimics what the right wing does all.the.time.

Our side should be better.

[polly7]

52. Exactly right, it's not about me.

It's about those children and people using - whatever means,to bring attention to the horrors they were left with.

The picture is powerful for anyone who cares.

[jimlup]

20. Yes that hurts

[progressoid]

22. Hey people, read Brickbat's post above ^^^^

http://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/7577505576/page1/#comment72157632168406927

[BlancheSplanchnik]

23. seriously. n/t

[Brickbat]

27. I'm starting to wonder if SummerSnow or others have me on ignore.

It's doesn't have to be a heartbreaking photo. In its correct context, it's really a lovely photo.

ETA: I feel like responding to every single person. Let it warm your heart! Not break it!

[SummerSnow]

36. No, I do not have you on ignore. Why you ask?

[progressoid]

44. Brickbat posted a quote from the photographer, "There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story "

This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration.

[csziggy]

38. Here is the Flickr page for this photo by Bahareh bisheh from iran

From this page, people can go see the other wonderful photos by this artist.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/7577505576/in/set-72157626250880910

If you look at the album it is in (https://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/sets/72157626250880910) there is a theme of drawings and imagination - at least that is what I see.

Main page is https://www.flickr.com/photos/khatt-khatti/sets/

[SummerSnow]

39. Very nice, thank you.

[tblue37]

40. It is very touching--heart-breaking, really, and I *don't* discount the value of the image.

But I doubt the child actually drew that picture. It is what an adult would draw to look like something a child would draw.

Look at the perfectly drawn knot and hanging parts of the scarf tied under the face on the drawing. Even the general shape of the head scarf is too controlled for the line to have been drawn by such a young child.

The image embodies a terrible truth, one that we must not look away from. But that chalk drawing was not done by the child, and my guess is that the adult who drew it also instructed the child to lie on the image and positioned her to create the best balance for the composition.

On Edit: I just read the photographer's note. The image can still be used to embody the sad reality of orphans created by war and other awful conditions. But I still do not believe that a child drew the picture. ANd if he took the pic after she fell asleep, rather than positioning her, then I bet the drawing was created and properly positioned around her to provide effective balance in the composition.

[Hissyspit]

53. I teach studio art and art history.

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That is an adult drawing. Why would a child draw something on that scale? Also it is very consistent, more consistent than a child would be concerned with.

[tblue37]

57. I teach English, so I don't have your expertise, but I could tell that was an adult's

drawing, not a child's.

[Hissyspit]

58. Yeah, kids don't know how to draw a knotted bandana like that.

It's pretty obvious.