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(12,769 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:56 AM Sep 2014

The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family

Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia
Posted: 09/02/2014 8:43 pm EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-aim-saudi-arabia_b_5748744.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

This article is Part II of Alastair Crooke's historical analysis of the roots of ISIS and its impact on the future of the Middle East.

BEIRUT -- ISIS is indeed a veritable time bomb inserted into the heart of the Middle East. But its destructive power is not as commonly understood. It is not with the "March of the Beheaders"; it is not with the killings; the seizure of towns and villages; the harshest of "justice" -- terrible though they are -- that its true explosive power lies. It is yet more potent than its exponential pull on young Muslims, its huge arsenal of weapons and its hundreds of millions of dollars.
"We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch."

Its real potential for destruction lies elsewhere -- in the implosion of Saudi Arabia as a foundation stone of the modern Middle East. We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch.

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In political and financial terms, the Saud-Philby strategy has been an astonishing success (if taken on its own, cynical, self-serving terms). But it was always rooted in British and American intellectual obtuseness: the refusal to see the dangerous "gene" within the Wahhabist project, its latent potential to mutate, at any time, back into its original a bloody, puritan strain. In any event, this has just happened: ISIS is it.

Winning western endorsement (and continued western endorsement), however, required a change of mode: the "project" had to change from being an armed, proselytizing Islamic vanguard movement into something resembling statecraft. This was never going to be easy because of the inherent contradictions involved (puritan morality versus realpolitik and money) -- and as time has progressed, the problems of accommodating the "modernity" that statehood requires, has caused "the gene" to become more active, rather than become more inert.
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The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family (Original Post) Live and Learn Sep 2014 OP
While I have no love for the House of Saud Warpy Sep 2014 #1
Can't disagree with any of that. nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #2
For our own National Security Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #3
That is a great national security strategy. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #4

Warpy

(111,163 posts)
1. While I have no love for the House of Saud
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:18 AM
Sep 2014

the whole business is ripe for implosion. People not of the House of Saud as relatives or directly employed by them have not been doing well at all since the 80s, when funding foreign mischief was deemed more important than keeping their own citizens getting richer. Unemployment is high and has been for some time and most of the citizens, especially the younger, are not happy.

I also agree that there is nothing we can do should it happen sooner rather than later. Maybe some of them will get out and be refugees here. That's all we can do.

Trading the House of Saud for the IS leadership won't be much of a bargain for the west and the weapons system lavished upon them by the west should make the west think very seriously about what that sort of policy does when the corrupt regimes are toppled and those weapons are now aimed at us.

If this comes to pass, I'm terribly afraid our times are about to get interesting again.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. For our own National Security
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:18 AM
Sep 2014

I believe we should spend much more on energy independence (renewables) and far less on weapons, getting ourselves out of the Mid East as soon as possible. I would not send another weapon of any kind to the area and those that are there under our control need to be removed as soon as practical.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
4. That is a great national security strategy.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:22 AM
Sep 2014

Unfortunately, those in the business aren't likely to agree and they seem to be in control.

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