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Back during the Iranian hostage crisis (you know, the thing in Argo that no one got rescued from) in 1979, the Rude Pundit's father had a simple solution. "If I were president," he told the Rude Pundit and his Rude Sister, who always listened intently to their father, like cavechildren gathered around the mad elder telling tales in the shadows, "I'd nuke Iran." Now, he wasn't in the "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" camp. He thought they were idiots. No, Rude Dad had a plan. "I'd phone the families of the hostages and tell them that their loved ones won't suffer, that we will nuke the embassy first. And then I'd turn the entire country into a sheet of black glass." If he were still alive, Rude Dad would probably be hosting a Fox "news" show now.
Even then, even very young, the Rude Pundit thought, "That's some fucked-up thinking right there."
In the wake of terrible things happening to us, to our own, our impulse is to fuck shit up. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, you could have made a pretty good argument to level the mountains of Tora-Bora and declare it a radioactive graveyard. Now, after the second goddamned public murder of an American journalist by the worthless goatfuckers of the Islamic State, the drumbeat for war, war, war in Iraq and Syria will get deafening. The battle cries of the oh-so-brave politicians and commentators have been yelped over the editorial pages and on the fetid air of right-wing radio and TV.
Which is just what ISIS wants. Down in hell, Osama bin Laden must be slapping his head, thinking, "Holy shit, did these fuckers learn nothing from me wrecking their economy and breaking their foreign policy into a thousand pieces?" The urge to burn it all down is strong. But unless you kill them all - and that means every family member, every ally, every sympathizer far and wide - all you're doing is making them stronger. Martyrs want their martyrdom.
War is their game. You wanna play their game again? For chrissake, the cockmonger who beheaded Steven Sotloff taunted, "I'm back, Obama." It's almost patriotic to want to see that guy forced to eat his own intestines until he chokes or bleeds to death.
Obama is taking it slow, not because he doesn't care or doesn't know or is incompetent or whatever else people on the left and right have been hurling at the White House. It's because that's what you do when you give a fuck about the consequences of your actions. We have hurtled ourselves into the void before. And we ended up here.
Can we figure out a strategy that might actually work, like the air support that helped Iraqi forces break the siege of one town?
Take a breath. Figure out the complexity of the situation (which involves more than crazed Islamic radicals taking over territory and nearly genociding people).
A little patience, maybe. And perhaps a whole bunch of American snipers.
(Note: This is not the promised piece to piss you off. The Rude Pundit ran out of time today to write that. Tomorrow, good people, tomorrow.)
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/09/resisting-urge-to-burn-it-all-down.html
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)malaise
(268,976 posts)They think chaos and long term profits. They do not give a flying fuck who dies on either side.
The real barbarians are Bush, Cheney. Rumsfeld et al.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's all instant gratification for them.
Preaching to the choir there.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Obama is taking it slow, not because he doesn't care or doesn't know or is incompetent or whatever else people on the left and right have been hurling at the White House. It's because that's what you do when you give a fuck about the consequences of your actions. We have hurtled ourselves into the void before. And we ended up here.
Can we figure out a strategy that might actually work, like the air support that helped Iraqi forces break the siege of one town?
Take a breath. Figure out the complexity of the situation (which involves more than crazed Islamic radicals taking over territory and nearly genociding people).
A little patience, maybe. And perhaps a whole bunch of American snipers." - See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/#sthash.balYTQHb.dpuf
Thanks for the post MB
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Just quietly go in and kill. This is not a job for large scale operations.
More over, take out the top financiers.
Hello Saudi Arabia.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)have done with the 'hider' of the WMD's, of which there were none. I kept telling my friends, just send in a covert combat team, if we must, and wax the dude. It'll be quicker, cleaner, better for everyone, then the RW's said, "they all should suffer". And they did/are and so are we. This war mongering RW mentality running amok in Washington that cares nothing about killing ' the brown others' have, in large part, caused these journalists to be executed. And for anyone who jumps all over that statement, I could care less. We caused this chaos and anarchy in Iraq. We caused ISIS to be formed. We caused the deaths of all those slaughtered by ISIS. WE, the UNITED STATES of Amerika caused this tragedy. Period.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)How about not getting involved? Tell American citizens to stay out of the area until it has stabilzed. American murder squads are not going to help the situation.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)If we pull our business ( oil ) out of there it's their businessmen who will be going 'well, just shit now.' And it's their businessmen who will start pulling strings to get things under control. They either can't, or don't need or have the will to do it when we keep jumping in and doing it for them.
I have a deep respect for how Obama's been handling foreign affairs. I wish he'd just step back a little more, if he can.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I'm sure the percentage of ownership of most oil/mineral companies in the region contains a whole lot of Bush, Cheney, Blackwater, Haliburton, Goldman Sachs, BP et al. You don't think the US went to war to protect other people's profits? Haha! War is for the rich.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Out of time or not, Rude and even Rude's sister, have yet to piss me off.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)From the economy, to international relations, to the breakdown of civic order in America, etc.
And yet, for some baffling reason, people in this country keep taking seriously the snake-oil solutions the Neo-Cons offer to solve the problems the Neo-Cons themselves created.
Re: the hostage crisis in '79 and using nukes: I remember hearing a lot of people saying that where I lived at the time.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)all of it, there will be people that are led into supporting these rat bastards.
FAUX, ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS...all of them. Lies, lies and more lies 24/7.
I turned on Press the Meat Sunday, curious. Andrea "never challenge a lie" Mitchell was the host.
3 seconds later, turned it off. I guess they really don't care or have a clue.
ISIS is another boogey man to scare the lemmings into more $$$ for the MIC.
What's worse, they don't even care that we know what they're doing because they have the system sewed up in their favor and the media attacks anyone trying to change it.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)They have been wildly successful if they are sociopaths. Their financial wealth and income continue to grow tremendously. The wealth and income gap between them and the 99% continues to grow year after year.
If a sociopath only cares about their own wealth and well-being, and they believe the way to get more and to hold on to that wealth and power is through mass chaos, division, turmoil, death, and desperation, well then, you're a neo-conservative.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)And I suspect some of them actually want to re-establish some form of aristocracy and feudalism with themselves and their progeny the rightful lords of all us filthy, genuflecting peasants.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)That seems to be the Neo-Con problem - the assholes never grew up.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)angel823
(409 posts)Rudie nails it.
Angel in Texas
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)subjugation.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Paladin
(28,254 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and thank you MeegBear, for always linking to the Rude One. He always makes my day.
valerief
(53,235 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)Excerpts shared with attribution. Thank you.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Exactly! Obama is the right president to handle this.