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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:44 AM Sep 2014

Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia

BEIRUT -- ISIS is indeed a veritable time bomb inserted into the heart of the Middle East. But its destructive power is not as commonly understood. It is not with the "March of the Beheaders"; it is not with the killings; the seizure of towns and villages; the harshest of "justice" -- terrible though they are -- that its true explosive power lies. It is yet more potent than its exponential pull on young Muslims, its huge arsenal of weapons and its hundreds of millions of dollars.
"We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch."

Its real potential for destruction lies elsewhere -- in the implosion of Saudi Arabia as a foundation stone of the modern Middle East. We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch.

The clue to its truly explosive potential, as Saudi scholar Fouad Ibrahim has pointed out (but which has passed, almost wholly overlooked, or its significance has gone unnoticed), is ISIS' deliberate and intentional use in its doctrine -- of the language of Abd-al Wahhab, the 18th century founder, together with Ibn Saud, of Wahhabism and the Saudi project:

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the first "prince of the faithful" in the Islamic State of Iraq, in 2006 formulated, for instance, the principles of his prospective state ... Among its goals is disseminating monotheism "which is the purpose [for which humans were created] and [for which purpose they must be called] to Islam..." This language replicates exactly Abd-al Wahhab's formulation. And, not surprisingly, the latter's writings and Wahhabi commentaries on his works are widely distributed in the areas under ISIS' control and are made the subject of study sessions. Baghdadi subsequently was to note approvingly, "a generation of young men [have been] trained based on the forgotten doctrine of loyalty and disavowal."

And what is this "forgotten" tradition of "loyalty and disavowal?" It is Abd al-Wahhab's doctrine that belief in a sole (for him an anthropomorphic) God -- who was alone worthy of worship -- was in itself insufficient to render man or woman a Muslim?

He or she could be no true believer, unless additionally, he or she actively denied (and destroyed) any other subject of worship. The list of such potential subjects of idolatrous worship, which al-Wahhab condemned as idolatry, was so extensive that almost all Muslims were at risk of falling under his definition of "unbelievers." They therefore faced a choice: Either they convert to al-Wahhab's vision of Islam -- or be killed, and their wives, their children and physical property taken as the spoils of jihad. Even to express doubts about this doctrine, al-Wahhab said, should occasion execution.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-aim-saudi-arabia_b_5748744.html

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Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia (Original Post) mfcorey1 Sep 2014 OP
So, it's a cult basically. Nt justiceischeap Sep 2014 #1
More like a denomination. DetlefK Sep 2014 #5
"Dash" is an artificial construct. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #2
Theology aside, ISIS wants to overthrow Assad, the Saudis want to overthrow Assad. KurtNYC Sep 2014 #3
The Saudis only want to get rid of Assad because he's an ally of Iran. DetlefK Sep 2014 #6
Makes sense on a lot of levels. closeupready Sep 2014 #4
Since the goal of landed gentry in America is to be Overlords of the New World, I think one should Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #7
I think it is just as likely that ISIL are hifiguy Sep 2014 #8
And bite the hand that feeds them? eissa Sep 2014 #9

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. More like a denomination.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

Christianity is split into dozens and hundreds of denominations. From Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Coptic Christians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, Mennonites... to exotic ones like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses... to hybrid-religions like caribbean Voodoo.

Imagine one of those denominations declaring all the rest of Christianity apostates that must be destroyed. It doesn't count that all the others are Christians, too. They are "the wrong kind" of Christians.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. "Dash" is an artificial construct.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:01 AM
Sep 2014

People in the Middle East see it as a western construct.

However, I think it's the neocons that have the House of Saud in their sights (when they're done with Syria and Iraq).

Not because of any desire to "spread freedom" but more a desire to break the Middle East into small pieces.


KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
3. Theology aside, ISIS wants to overthrow Assad, the Saudis want to overthrow Assad.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:08 AM
Sep 2014

Rumours of Saudi backing of ISIS persist:

Today, Saudi citizens continue to represent a significant funding source for Sunni groups operating in Syria. Arab Gulf donors as a whole -- of which Saudis are believed to be the most charitable -- have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Syria in recent years, including to ISIS and other groups. There is support for ISIS in Saudi Arabia, and the group directly targets Saudis with fundraising campaigns, so Riyadh could do much more to limit private funding.


http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis#.U6ijnu5c9Ww.twitter#ixzz3CGEP2JOp

Wahhabi Sunnis are based in Saudi Arabia and are part of a centuries old conflict with Shiites now playing out in Iraq and Syria:

The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.
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He does not doubt that substantial and sustained funding from private donors in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to which the authorities may have turned a blind eye, has played a central role in the Isis surge into Sunni areas of Iraq. He said: "Such things simply do not happen spontaneously." This sounds realistic since the tribal and communal leadership in Sunni majority provinces is much beholden to Saudi and Gulf paymasters, and would be unlikely to cooperate with Isis without their consent.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

The OP piece echoes the debunked denials we heard about Osama bin Laden, who, like ISIS members, was also a Wahhabi mercenary, and how he was shunned as a "black sheep" by his family in Saudi Arabia.


DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. The Saudis only want to get rid of Assad because he's an ally of Iran.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:22 AM
Sep 2014

Egypt, Iran and Saudi-Arabia are the three big power-players in the Middle-East. Especially Iran and Saudi-Arabia fight each other behind the scenes through scheming.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. Makes sense on a lot of levels.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:08 AM
Sep 2014

Financially, strategically, politically - I would not be getting much sleep if I were a ruler in KSA.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Since the goal of landed gentry in America is to be Overlords of the New World, I think one should
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:28 AM
Sep 2014

be far more concerned about that far more than landed gentry half a world away.

And if they do take over Saudi Arabia, cough, blow them away then, not like it would take more than a couple of weeks.
All this fearmongering is getting old, we have heard this tune and these drums before.

Let them take care of the mess in their own neighbourhoods.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. I think it is just as likely that ISIL are
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

a tool of the Saudis. For the last forty years all you need to do to find Saudi money and backing is find a Sunni extremist who preaches the blighted and nearly psychotic tenets of Wahhabism. Which is Saudi to the core. Saudi Arabia is the asshole of the world.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
9. And bite the hand that feeds them?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:47 PM
Sep 2014

I don't think so. Besides, what exactly would change if ISIS replaced the Saudis? Hint: not much.

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