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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhisp has been PPRed
Revoked by EarlG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=208274&sub=trans
Here's the sock's transparency page.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=316339&sub=trans
Seven years and 24,000 posts thrown away because she couldn't wait through her time-out. Suicide by sock.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)...is seriously impressive. I personally don't have that kind of attention span.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I would have prefered a more detailed message but I am no ond to judge. On mirt I usually use troll as z banning message.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)For some reason it just tickled my funny bone is all -- the idea of trolling for a decade.
As for OH himself -- well, personally, I think 'misogynist asshat' would've been more accurate nomenclature, but whatever.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)like what he espoused.
riqster
(13,986 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)for OH, if that might be true. It's almost a deliberate slap in the face to women, not acknowledging that being abusive to Duers is a serious issue. Seems to be a blind spot. Or maybe they prefer to keep only the quieter women here. It's creepy.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and I stay far far away from people who do that in RL. I'm fine keeping my distance from those who get off on shit like that.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Just because a user might have been PPRed over bad jury decisions, etc, circumventing the system by making a duplicate account is against the rules. It's a bannable offense.
If Skinner had played favorites, then there'd have been another whole can of worms.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)When Dyna said that "there are pretty much only two ways" to get banned...
...he was accurately characterizing what has happened here since the beginning. But we did not ever make a decision that those two ways are "The List" and that no one could ever get banned for any other reason. In a way, it might be more accurate to say that "The List" made itself -- those are the two reasons that keep coming up over and over again. But they are not the only two reasons why anyone will ever get banned from Discussionist. In fact we have already had at least one person in the past who was banned for a completely different reason -- I don't want to go into details or draw attention to it, other than to say that what that person did was similarly vile to what The Doctor did and they got banned for it.
So yes, if he had not created a sockpuppet the content of The Doctor's posts would have been grounds for banning. We certainly don't want Discussionist to be a place where someone can make threatening posts, and then keep coming back to do it over and over again. Fortunately, that has not been a problem so far. If it ever does become a problem, we'll absolutely deal with it.
Rest here and a post above it (#33)
http://www.discussionist.com/10252867#post71
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'll try and go back and make sense of it when my server stalls again tomorrow.
Really never took a shine to discussionist, and not fond of the obseesion they have with Du. So, I am sure I missed a lot.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)dealing with the issue never included responding to any of my questions or PMs.
TBF
(31,922 posts)I've personally found the admins to be pretty supportive of women but they've decided to turn this forum over to crowd rule. I think it could work in a system in which folks are honest (ie you sign up with your real name) - but in this kind of forum in which trolls/obviously paid posters are a dime a dozen it really is not working well. jmho. I wish they'd go back to moderators on this forum & let Discussionist be their freaky science experiment instead.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)who signed up on the first Discussionist opened. How could that be a sock to get around alert restrictions? It is confusing. It seems there must have been a mistake, but no explanation has been forthcoming.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Go figure.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I don't know about his past history.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Guessing, because when they fail we never know the alert happened.
PsychoBunny
(86 posts)... in the last 90 days. I suspect he pissed off HOF and they used their influence on skinner.
I also suspect the admins cross reference posts from DI via common IP addresses.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Are you an admin?
And HoF's influence on Skinner? Are you fucking kidding me? That has to be the biggest joke I've seen here in a long time. Unbelievable.
PsychoBunny
(86 posts)And I am here visiting again. He is the one that told me about DU and tried to get me active on this forum, but I am not really that political. We get on when we visit, but I am too busy at school to spend time here. And after watching this, well ....
He says Bye.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't know what happened, but it's hard to see anyone who's spent so much time and energy contributing to a site just....gone.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Shall we expect a lecture on socks to oldhippie? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=304839&sub=trans
Or how about this one? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=314717&sub=trans
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)So he isn't telling you the whole truth.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)them directly that they either alerted or were on a jury. He could have had many alerts which did not end in hides, as any of us can, and never know about them.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)And AFAIK when an alert fails there is no notification to the poster. BTW, oldhippie's posts pissed off DUers who weren't members of HoF.
And admin has been pretty consistent in saying that they treat the two sites as separate, unrelated entities even when the comparison you suggested would have been warranted.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)That allegation is the most hilarious frickin thing I've heard in a long time.
William769
(55,124 posts)And it included anchovies!
boston bean
(36,186 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)so it seems he is giving you some pretty bad information. Sad.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)If we had that kind of influence, shockingly, it would be used to get a change to the TOS, not settling imaginary petty squabbles with other posters.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)and are intended as such. That whole meme is about trying to intimidate him into not enforcing TOS rules against gender bigotry. That whole argument is the daily butter of the misogynist trolls on Discussionist and is beneath this site.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)My guess--and it's just a guess--is that he may have been one of the repeat trolls turning up in HOF and threads about women and race. We've had a lot of them lately.
kcr
(15,300 posts)I will not miss that poster
underpants
(182,279 posts)What is HOF?
I see it mentioned from time to time but can't figure out what it is.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)As I said to another poster who asked, it's kind of like socialists with lady parts. Most of the members are somewhere to the left of liberal feminists. Some consider themselves radical feminists, others consider themselves Marxist feminists, and still others will define themselves differently. Liberal feminism is defined as a focus on gradual change through the legislative and legal process. Radical feminism seeks the destruction of patriarchy and gender norms, whereas Marxist feminism sees gender inequality as related to exploitation of capitalism.
Around here, the basic break down seems to fall under people telling HOF feminists that stuff they care about--like rape, domestic violence, cultural images, social reproduction, etc.--doesn't matter. The problem is I have yet to see an issue related to women those people claim does matter. Few had anything to say about the Hobby Lobby decision. If that isn't important, what is?
On the other site, they seem to think HOF members' posting views amounts to bullying and disruption. Liberals, apparently, aren't supposed to be exposed to ideas about misogyny and gender violence. Why, I can't begin to say. Why they can't use trash thread or ignore poster also hasn't been explained to me.
underpants
(182,279 posts)Thanks
boston bean
(36,186 posts)For allegedly having a sock, and I did not have a sock at discussionist.
So, I question the accuracy of the tools from here on out.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)What interests you about that?
PsychoBunny
(86 posts)maybe I can find it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)PsychoBunny
(86 posts)He hates Apple stuff.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)We should be able to see it. It sounds like you haven't seen it, but somehow know what it says. What was your user name?
boston bean
(36,186 posts)DU and discussionist too!!!
Pipsquawk was my name, go knock yourself out.
You folks have such suspicious minds.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)you or admin? I have seen you make something up before. I would have called you on it, but you've blocked me from your group. Meanwhile, one of your buddies from that group is all over this thread, calling me a liar. Sorry, I'm not feeling very sympathetic.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)That I created that account to circumvent a suspension I never received. I created the account the first day it opened.
So, you go ahead and believe what you would like, I really don't care.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Doubtful.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...to continue attacking your nemesis once they've been locked out of the thread and can't reply; in this case, for two hours now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025485115#post334
TYY
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)It's also bad form to send Nastygrams via DU Mail.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)Are you suggesting that you didn't know you were replying to someone who'd had a post hidden at 7:50 this morning?
TYY
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I responded about an hour after she posted to me downthread.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)what do you call it when whole threads are started in a group one is banned from, where the pile on trashing of DUer is allowed to continue for MONTHS on end?
what do you call that?
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)To be clear, I'd call it a dick move. Maybe you could help me with a link...
TYY
boston bean
(36,186 posts)I signed up at discussions the first day it opened. The banning message is bullshit. I made no other account to get around being banned prior, as the message states, as I am told.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)and no record turned up for them. Her name there was Pipsquawk. Anyone can look it up and verify for themselves. They need not take her word for it.
Here is what the profile says:
About pipsquawk
Statistics and Information
Account status: Posting privileges revoked
Member since: Tue May 13, 2014, 02:18 PM
Number of posts: 54
Number of posts, last 90 days: 13
Favorite category: Culture, 11 posts in the last 90 days (85% of total posts)
Last post: Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 65% (explain)
Base score: 40
54 total posts: +1
113 days of membership: +11
13 posts in the last 90 days: +13
0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0
TOTAL: 65
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=profile&uid=100084
Wasn't May 13 the day the site opened?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Sam was a witch.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I love the post suggesting that "HoF" has influence over Skinner. Has to be someone really clueless to post that.
Skittles
(152,965 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)but you may be old'. lol
a la izquierda
(11,784 posts)Few on DU grind my gears, but that one sure did.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Several to go.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I guess I couldn't help but be curious, though.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)ecstatic
(32,567 posts)I didn't alert on him, but he was acting like a classist jerk.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)It fits well enough with his general worldview and attitude.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)That one seemed pretty obvious to me.
hunter
(38,264 posts)Men who would be perfect right wingers if not for their granola eating, skinny-dipping, pot smoking, tie dye teeshirt, rock-n-roll lifestyles.
Burning Man hosts swarms of them.
Hah, hah. I win. I live every day like Burning Man and pay no attention at all to Wall Street.
If I die homeless on the streets, not a penny to my name, I still win by owning my own soul.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)He always came off as unpleasant and reactionary.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)which could mean he was creating multiple accounts to troll outside of his regular user name. We have had several return trolls appear in HOF. I have a strong hunch he was one of them. There is nothing in his recent posting history to explain a PPR.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Myguess it was the content of his posts.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)The worst I could find were his comments to me in my last OP, and nobody is getting PPR'd over that. They weren't that bad anyway.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I just assume because if it was a sock issue there wouls be a mention of it in the ppr message.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)That's a good point. I was thinking multiple suicide trolling missions. Weird, because I did do a search and saw nothing recent.
I wish they would give more info on why long-term members are PPR'd. I didn't like the guy at all. He was repeatedly nasty to me, but still it would be nice to know why he was banned.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But you never know.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)I just don't know then. I only looked about a week back. There might be something older, but I would have thought that would have been dealt with earlier.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The poster claimed in a thred to be a grandchild of the oldhippie.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Surprised they lasted as long as they did.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But I had to put her on ignore. Not sure what was troubling her so much. We played Diablo III together.
Damn shame.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It was a heck of a lot of fun.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Too busy doing college homework these days anyways.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's better now, though. RoS got rid of the auction house and it got better. I have a 70 of 4 characters LOL. And still haven't logged in for months .
Marr
(20,317 posts)It's completely unlike Diablo 3, I know... but what can I say. It's so awesome I must proselytize.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Runic games is basically dead now, but Torchlight II is a decent "what Diablo III should have been" game.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Hopefully, she comes back as someone! I liked her very much. She was a good feminist.
JI7
(89,182 posts)or whatever someone else did to get back on .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and when I like someone and then have to put them on ignore because they threaten me, uh, you do tend to revise your opinion of a person. I hope she is well, but I'm thinking something must be going on with her that is detrimental.
All the same - I wish her well. I've never been one to grave dance.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I alerted on her sock's hidden posts thinking it was a previously banned troll that likes hof.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)but I think it's understandable, given the history.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)because we're the problem, not the posters who scribe misogynistic posts.
Goodbye, Whisp. It's a shame that you committed the most serious TOS offense, that of creating a sock while suspended.
sheshe2
(83,354 posts)It's okay to alert stalk members of HoF. Several that I know of had bogus hides, including Whisp. One of Whisps posts was a comment a very mild one about a racist post a prolific poster made. It had to do with watermellons if I remember correctly. Threaten rape to a member of HoF, yes Doctor got canned from DI, yet is he here on DU too, by another name?
Oh, calling the President a pos is also allowed on DU. So maybe we should just toss TOS, 'cause I sure as hell don't see it being enforced.
I agree with you Gormy Cuss
Whisp!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)that got her post hidden by a 5-2 vote.
I'm not going to alert, and I'm pretty sure that I didn't alert on Whisp's fairy tale either, but I respectfully request that you stick to the facts, even more so when it comes to hurtful accusations of racism.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Or was it a third way Manny apology schtick? asking honestly.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #197)
Post removed
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Hell, just this afternoon I wrote that the cop who shot Michael Brown should be in jail:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5484540
Is it really so hard to do a search before accusing somebody of stuff?
And the stalking charge is sick. You're accusing me of a felony for writing a post that corrects your mistake.
Marr
(20,317 posts)They're constantly hurling insulting accusations based on nothing but the fact that they disagree with you on some point. Disprove it, and they ignore it... then hurl the same accusation all over again.
It's juvenile and tiresome.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I didn't look at all the hides, but two were OPs critical of possible candidate Clinton.
Ah well.
Suicide by sock, that's pretty accurate.
Damn.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm rather shocked it took that long.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)It was a sock issue.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I say that as a Hillwry fan.
The other hides I really didn't pay attention to.
Whisp was polite to me but we didn't really interact.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And I don't think they were good calls.
I think it's fair pre-primaries to criticize the front runner, even to the point of mocking them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025149261
And this one, I really don't agree with the jury: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025108707
The sock issue is, no doubt, the reason for the PPR beyond the mere suspension.
It still serves as a warning, criticize Clinton at your own risk, you never know who's going to alert or be on the jury.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)they are practically random it seems.
i was hidden for joking about what quinnox would post about the thread someone posted and that was after he was PPR'd, however someone alerted on me and said that I was badmouthing a member of DU, actually what i said was very mild even if he had been a member in good standing, but frankly, i was hidden for saying something milder than the Admins said about him in his profile --they called him a troll.
take your chances because nobody really knows what the standards are or what juries will do.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)apparently confusing Fark with another f**k word. Or something.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)rub of the green, as they say in Scotland.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)We are great examples of silly alerts and jury decisions.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)The jury system is broken. Your posts can be hidden (or not hidden) based on the jury's opinions of you personally and not the content of the post.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)If the person being alerted on had their name hidden from the post while it was being adjudicated? This way, a jury would have to consider the content of the post and not the history of the poster.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)But I think a lot of people also look at the thread for context and it would be easy to determine the poster's identity in subthreads.
I'm sure jury blacklists help but not by a lot.
I think DU should bring back the set of standards they once had on civility instead of leaving the interpretation to a jury. Also, a jury appeals system might be a good idea as well when those standards are ignored in a jury decision.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)except I am also an RKBA supporter, as are most Minnesota Democrats. A Democrat cannot get elected in Minnesota who is actively against RKBA.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)tblue37
(64,982 posts)are available to serve on them.
I used to decline the request to serve about as often as I accepted it, because I always take the time to read either the whole thread or, if it is an endless monster thread, at least enough of it to make sure I know what has led to the alerted post. Sometimes I am just too tired or don't really want to spend that much time and energy on jury duty.
But after serving on two juries when it was evident that the poster being alerted on was being alert-stalked over completely innocuous posts, and then seeing how outrageously close the results were to leave the post, even though it should have been a 7-0 decision to leave it alone, I decided that I owed it to those being alert-stalked to serve whenever I was asked, simply to do my part to protect them from unfair hides that could lead to their being suspended for 3 months.
(BTW, one of the unfair alerts I juried for was on a perfectly inoffensive post by nadin, who has been one of the most bullied and alert-stalked people on DU. I am not surprised that she has largely withdrawn from participating in discussions on DU. I don't know her personally, not even in an online kind of way, but I have been on DU for 10 years, and I pay attention. Certain people have been truly awful to her.)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)though I have seen what you see and others have too.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)you think that is aokay?
Uh if I want to read criticism (to the point of mocking) said front runner.....I could just go over to FreeRepublic! Plenty of Hillary Hatred there....I suggest that is where the so called Dems that want to do that go there and find compatriots!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)That we Democrats may NOT criticize "The Front Runner" ... Really? ... we are not allowed to say ANYTHING critical of Democrats who lead in some poll? ....
All so you can feel all happy, without infernal criticisms of popular Democrats ? ...
Yeah ... I'll give up my own opinions of Democrats and remain silent so you can feel all self satisfied and full of joy without dissent ...
Yeah .... right ....
Sheeesh ...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)ass? Because I AM! And right now SHE is it.
this IS a Democratic forum with the express mission of electing MORE Democrats.....
so yeah right...sheesh yourself.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)She is far ahead in fact
AND much to your dismay....she kicks Republican ass!
But NOOOOOOOO.....you want to do the Republicans job for them....YOU and your friends want to do all the opposition research FOR the Republicans...YOU want to spoon feed them talking points against her!
YOU want to criticize AND influence those that MIGHT consider voting for the first WOMAN they ever had a chance to vote for....Do you not understand that some who would NEVER vote...and some who even vote Republican WILL vote for her.....but YOUUUUU want to cut her with a thousand cuts and influence THOSE people against doing so....
SHE....Hillary Rodham Clinton....is our Ace in the hole.....AND she can WIN!
but YOUUUUUU would rather play the longshot instead!
apparently I am not a big Las Vegas gambler like you are! (especially when it comes to the very lives of my fellow Americans).
and then after doing ALL that.....after you have taken your pound of flesh....YOUUUUUUUUU vote for her any damn way.....the height of hypocrisy!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)That's incredibly stupid. The primaries haven't started yet. (Need I remind you how "inevitable" Hillary was in 2008? She was the front-runner then, and look how that turned out.)
tblue37
(64,982 posts)kind of penalty for doing so. IOW, criticizing Dems, even in over-the-top terms, has not been a punishable offense here, at least not in any consistent way.
(And the POS insult was not even abbreviated, but spelled out in all its glory in that rant.)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Especially if you support other potential candidates than 'the frontrunner', who may not remain the 'frontrunner', or may not even actually 'run'. That's part of the normal political process for determining who the actual candidate eventually will be. It's Republicans who have the 11th commandment about not criticizing other Republicans, and even they break that more than they follow it.
And, btw, the site admins agree, or else they'd change the TOS so that you couldn't talk smack about various candidates (or people who haven't even announced a candidacy, but are perceived as 'the frontrunner' by the people who actually want them to run) and not just limit it AFTER they actually ARE the party candidate.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Jesus. That's hilarious.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)When people are accused of 'hating' someone, it's usually hyperbole. 'JaydenD,' by her words, truly hates Hillary Clinton and made it known
boston bean
(36,186 posts)I support Hillary and I liked whisp.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I like Clinton and even I say bullshit on that....its definitely a very vocal minority...believe that!
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Maybe they are just extremely vocal.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)avoid confrontation with them. Hillary is far more popular than some around here would allow anyone to believe.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)That is ignorant. Hillary hasn't even declared that she's running yet. She is not the only Democrat in this country. In my opinion, some of her actions are very anti-Democratic. If she wins the primary, then I'll support her. But we have a ways to go before then.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Ever notice that the Hillary supporters are not busy trashing all the other candidates? But somehow those that claim to not hate Hillary.....have no problem trying to character assassinate HER.
That tells me so much about her opponents.....
His/her main focus at DU was to trash the Clintons starting in 2007. Whisp constantly bitched about NAFTA (blaming Hillary as much as Bill) for its passage. I always found this more than a little odd given that Whisp claims to be Canadian.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)'Free Trade' agreements drive down wages for labour and provide incentive to companies to seek 'short cuts' in order to drive down costs. It's sad that to this day, many Democrats actually push 'free trade', when they should be pro-labour.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Were BS.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)weren't because Whisp had been around so long.
Like I said, I wish her well, and I hope that whatever is upsetting her improves.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)For her to come back.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It seems DU has become less about liberalism, and more about "D" at whatever the cost.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Most of them weren't offensive at all, and I see people here everyday say much worse. She got hides for insulting Hillary Clinton? SERIOUSLY? Hillary isn't an elected official. She's NOTHING right now. Edit to add: the jury system is increasingly dysfunctional, IMO.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Created a sockpuppet account to circumvent automatic suspension after getting five posts hidden by Jury (Whisp, JaydenD).
For more information see Terms of Service
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)are you serious? Regardless of how you like it or not...she IS the Democratic frontrunner that is KILLING the Republicans...PLUS they HATE her guts!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Right now, she's a former sec. of state, a former senator, and a former first lady. She's not a Dem officeholder or cabinet member, she's just a private citizen on a book tour, and she hasn't been through a primary yet.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)primary season hasn't started. She's won as many primaries right now as Martin O'Malley and Wile E. Coyote.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)contender....
and denial is not a river in Egypt.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)He is a Super Genius, after all.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)fly off the handle much?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The commenter really needs to start his/her own site sho he/she can ban everyone who disagrees with his/her worldview.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Oldhippie too? Damn. So many long-timers going.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It seems the party and DU have sold out.
It seems, money does trump values. I'm surprised to see how far people will sink for their own self interest. I cannot and will not ever go there.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What is so presing that someone needs to come up with socks to evade five-post vacations? I've had a few myself, and you know what i do?
I practice my photoshop. I play WoW. I go to the library. i head down to the beach. I organize a pathfinder game with some friends, online or off. I go out and snag some mussels to cook. i get some writing done. I sit back and watch a movie... I... i...
...wow...
when I can't post on DU, I actually have a life.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I sometimes catch myself saying the same things. But that's because I'm still relatively young, healthy and able. My other half is in good health too.
Some of these folks aren't as fortunate. Maybe DU is their release from unlucky circumstances.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)In addition, I suspect many regular posters here are in nearly-constant physical pain. That tends to make people cranky.
-Laelth
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I didn't even think about chronic pain. So many are afflicted.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)and I think he illustrates what you're talking about. A lot of folks out there are marginalized in society and probably only mostly have any contact with the outside world through things like blogs. In pain, whether physical or mental or both, and they lash out at people they shouldn't, and so we respond by kicking them out, and further marginalize them. It's not a good solution, but neither is simply allowing them to abuse others in their pain. I think we need to further destigmatize mental health issues and make getting help from professionals a lot easier, so that people are both willing to, and able to, seek professional help when they're finding themselves lashing out simply to vent their emotions.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I think I caused your last vacation. Your fifth hide the last time, iirc, was the first jury I'd served on, and I didn't understand at the time that the phrase about 'rude, over the top, etc' wasn't actually taken seriously on DU, and that most people don't actually hide for simple rudeness. So I'm glad, at least, that you got something useful done while you were away.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I just fell away from DU for a year-plus. No drama, no GBCW, no hides or time-outs other than a self-imposed one because I couldn't deal rationally any longer with some of the poisonous BS I was seeing on a daily basis. After some time away, which I spent largely on my favorite pro football and pro wrestling boards and on Equestria Daily, a month or so ago I felt recharged and came back to DU.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)In fact the whole Brony community is a little off-putting to me. I like the show (and side products - the IDW comics are fucking great) but... Uhm.. .I can only hear so much bad dubstep with Pinkie Pie songs as the base, can only see so many knit Derpy beanies, and my god, are they REALLY arguing over whether Maude has aspergers?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)especially the Katie Cook/Andy Price stuff. They are just the perfect team for what they do, like Lee/Kirby, O'Neal/Adams, or Claremont/Byrne were back in the day. I get advance copies as one of my oldest friends is IDW's VP for Sales.
I pick and choose the stuff I read over there. That site skews pretty young and silly sometimes. I just sort of hang around to check out the arts and crafts and comment - as the oldest brony in captivity - about things I find interesting.
I've seen dumber arguments on DU than on EqD, though, and that is kind of weird, to say the least.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I know many here aren't all that enthusiastic about Hillary, but she took it to another level.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)what gives?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and it got hidden. I didn't hunt anything, but I have nothing against using the alert system as it's designed. The public personal attacks and harassment are what I don't like.
But, you knew that.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Considering all of the bigots that roam free here, this seems like an unequal response, imo. (And yes, I get the sock issue.)
ann---
(1,933 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,308 posts)ann---
(1,933 posts)I haven't been posting here as long as so many others and I didn't know what that meant.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,308 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It has the ring of finality.
Ohio Joe
(21,656 posts)Whisp, if you see this, I suggest you write the admins and apologize for creating the sock and promise not to do it again (and don't)... You are a good egg and I think they will consider it if you are sincere. Don't make excuses... Just say you are sorry and mean it. DU can get under people skin and sometimes you have to cool off but... I prefer DU with you as a member and would prefer you came back.
Regardless, I wish nothing but the best for Whisp.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)petronius
(26,581 posts)grand scheme of it all a sockpuppet is not going to destroy the site, or kill us in our sleep...
Puglover
(16,380 posts)That said; she'll be back. These days a PPR is simply a loss of your original user name, start date and post count.
Skinner himself said "Let them be if they're behaving."
OldHippie was just a garden variety troll.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)One person's garden variety troll is another's "Oh they're just eccentric and a little grumpy! I agree with most everything they say though, so let 'em stay!"
We've seen that with some other people who got banned after their rudeness and nonsense had hit the breaking point for 90% of the community. Unreal defenses of them too.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I had no idea it was Whisp's sock. I thought it was a troll that had been banned multiple times.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)It would be nice to see weekly list.
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)Owl
(3,629 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think because most of the notifications are for 1 or 2 post trolls and there is no need for everyone to see that.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Or are you still getting special treatment?
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.
Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.
leftstreet
(36,081 posts)I don't see any 'grave dancing' in the OP
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)but yea, big surprise YOU don't see it.
leftstreet
(36,081 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)leftstreet
(36,081 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Oh, no, you can't be. Your hidden posts disqualify you. Were they for calling people liars?
It's may not be obvious to everyone here, but anyone who knows your history knows you more than likely started this OP to fan some flames and perhaps thought you could get a hide or two against some of those who really valued Whisp here.
I don't need to be a forum host to see it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)from my point of view.
Response to pintobean (Reply #84)
JTFrog This message was self-deleted by its author.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Guess you don't care enough to obey, or something.
Anyway, glad you' re here.
Logical
(22,457 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I liked Whisp. The OP is just informing the community about the PPR.
I get special treatment? Someone should have told me sooner.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Massive bullshit. You are dancing your little heart out and taking swipes at HoF.
How can you possibly think no one notices?
Rather pitiful.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Quite the opposite.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Did I disrupt your grave-dance?
Someone should.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)296. Oh for fuck's sake.
He was most definitely the offending party. That's why the troll isn't here anymore. He was a racist, sexist, bigoted asshole who abused his hosting privileges and went off the deep end baring his ass in the process.
Good riddance.
In my opinion, apologists who insist we ignore the trolls instead of letting them have their way, contribute greatly to the suckage. It does nothing more than deflect the responsibility of the troll for his behavior onto those they have offended. FUCK. THAT. NOISE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025216329
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't see pintobean as gravedancing at all.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)No need to publicly confirm your alliances.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Everything's a big conspiracy theory. No-one can be right but JTFrog. Except when you're wrong, like the other night stalking with your bullcrap. Here's a hint - sometimes comments are just that .... but when you have an obvious bias against a whole group of people as you seem to, everything's some horrible attempt to - something or other......
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Wow, what a downright nasty post. OTT with the insults here.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:09 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh ffs.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is borderline,but not enough for me to Hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This doesn't rise to the level of hide. This is just a back-and-forth. If everyone of those on DU were hidden, the entire lot of us would be taking some time off.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
I was juror #3.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Thanks for your comment ....... short and sweet.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Well I didn't alert on your nasty hypocritical post. Though I'm not surprised that your posts are often alerted on.
polly7
(20,582 posts)That would be a big NO. I laugh over it. But I'd look at your own posts before calling anyone else a hypocrite. Seriously.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I've dealt with the ugliness for so long now it doesn't even register anymore as anything but frustrated, illogical hatred for not bowing down to authority - and I certainly don't DON'T bow to authority or bullying well,I admit to that. So keep trying, not that it will do you any good.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Here, I brought beer.
polly7
(20,582 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)What kind of person does that?
kcr
(15,300 posts)Not these sweet individuals. Aren't they just so nice? The nicest people you'll ever meet.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Just the sweetest personalities. As I was told the other day, posting about misogyny is so much worse than abusing people or making rape threats. The real crime is questioning male privilege. Anything and everything is justified to defend against critiques of patriarchy.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)You go out of your way to involve yourself. Maybe try to keep things in context and your life will be so much easier. "Bowing to authority." LMAO.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Don't read much here, do you - or is it just selective.
You know what you can do with your 'advice' lol.
'Bowing to authority' is a biggie around here, don't you know?-but then I believe you belong to the club,so I imagine you support it.
And, who exactly are you? Don't think we've actually met - some kind of stalker for your pals??
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Well just looking at profiles, obviously someone much more civil than you. I know, I know... you didn't deserve them. I'll spare you that line in advance.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:26 AM - Edit history (1)
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Here is a screenshot of your post. I hope it gets hidden.
(note to jury: this screenshot is for posterity)
polly7
(20,582 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)On Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Why don't you go fuck yourself, you slimy, ignorant pig?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Says "go fuck yourself" OTT personal insult.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thread is juvenile name calling and finger pointing and grave dancing. Grow up, people.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Most of the posts in this thread are attacks. Heck with it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Poster really needs to calm down.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Polly has beer. Siding with her. Froggie ain't gone a courtin'. He's just baiting her. He could have left the thread any time but he wants to play. So he got told off. Good for Polly.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely not to someone who has been far, FAR over the top in viciousness already. Alert went to the wrong person.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
------
I was #4.
Polly's really tempting fate here.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The stupid, it burns.
So glad there aren't any biases at play here.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Terrible, wasn't it........... as compared to your language and treatment of others above.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Nothing I said to you warranted your disgusting attack. Nothing.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and if what you posted wasn't so bad, why did you apologize?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)exasperated by the nastiness directed towards her. It is shameful really to see a woman being treated this way here simply for have some differences of opinion with a few people here.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And yes, it is shameful the way she treated me. Nothing I said in any post ever in my history of DU justifies what she said to me. I do not appreciate you suggesting otherwise.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the jury.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)At least you guys are consistent.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)As distasteful as I find this entire freaking OP, I can no longer refrain from posting in this thread. The people attempting to excuse, defend or justify the vile comments made to you are left with zero credibility when attempting to condemn the actions of anyone else on this board. The hypocrisy is blinding.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Thank you.
Good night.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)looking for a fight.
Poor you.
Response to pintobean (Reply #480)
JTFrog This message was self-deleted by its author.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)stop rationalizing.
the jury left a post that should have been hidden, period.
that was so over the line and so far beyond the questioning that preceded it, it has made a mockery of the jury system.
that didn't get hidden and my post joking that certain words would be added to quinnox's auto trash list (and i posted that AFTER he was PPR'd) --my post was hidden because the alerter said I was badmouthing a DU member.
juries can work, but the Admins seem to think they will work without their involvement or adjustment of the system and participation. the main change the admins have made to the jury system lately is to hide the number of times people have served, to hide from people how many times a banned troll has served on a jury.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Shameful.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)edit: now I see who brought beer for polly as a celebration up thread.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)thread completely. Actually quite a few people, who admitted they have bias when they voted, opted to wait until the inevitable alert came out of all that nastiness. Or else they would have been shut out of serving on juries when there aren't many around. I've seen similar after 1 am. Interesting group of jurors.
tblue37
(64,982 posts)after having seen a couple of DU members unjustly alert-stalked.
But even though I am generally in favor of pretty vigorous verbal interaction, I certainly would have voted to hide if I had been on that jury.
BTW, she didn't just say, as the alerter mentioned, to "go f*** yourself" to JTFrog. She also called her a "slimy ignorant pig."That sort of name-calling is not supposed to be allowed to stand.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)That doesn't approach that level of incivility. It almost appears like it is about who one attacks and who does the attacking more than content. Some of those juror comments are absurd. The wrong person was alerted on? Truly bizarre.
But I'm sure the OP will have a word with her because he has said on several occasions he cares deeply about how people treat DUers.
tblue37
(64,982 posts)I don't know either of the posters, but I was appalled at the name-calling in that post, and I think it should have been hidden.
But seeing that sort of extreme juror bias, clearly based on prejudice against the person attacked (and explicitly expressed in juror comments), is precisely why I now accept every request to serve on juries.
I tend to lean toward leaving posts alone if they are just a matter of vigorous disagreement, especially because I do think that many alerts are ridiculous attempts to silence someone just for disagreeing with the alerter.
But a post like this one is the sort that I would always vote to hide. Nasty name-calling makes DU suck.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)which is the only way to maintain a civil website.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't know either of those two posters very well, but there was definitely baiting on Frog's part.
However, I would have voted to hide because we should be better than that, and I try to be consistent.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Maybe those two things/people are connected. Anyway, this is proof that some juries are more about personalities than actual content.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)As best I can recall, this was my first alert ever. What an anticlimax to be told that someone else had already alerted -- and, worse, that the post had stood.
My alert (I'm still miffed so I want someone to read it) was: "The discussion has been pretty much worthless (on both sides) for the last few posts, but even allowing for that context, this post represents a sharp and unwarranted escalation in the personal attacks."
Apparently the "Leave it alone" voters were influenced by that context. It's a valid consideration to some extent, but here I think it was clearly outweighed by your point that this was the sort of name-calling that's not supposed to be allowed to stand.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)That was one of the worst comments I've seen in terms of 'over the top rudeness' on site, and I'm appalled that it wasn't hidden. To proclaim anything else that had been said by anyone in this entire side even approached that level of ugliness or that it was all just 'back and forth' is shocking.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)They read for context and voted accordingly. I can see why you're outraged.
Response to pintobean (Reply #295)
BainsBane This message was self-deleted by its author.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Answer: none. Calling someone a slimy pig is a flat out rude personal attack, and that's a tiny fraction of the content.
(n.b. polly7 has apologized for it, but that doesn't explain the jurors letting it stand.)
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:00 AM - Edit history (4)
When I confronted him on being Vashta Neranda, you attacked me for doing so.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13853
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13961
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13981
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13991
It turns out not only was I right, but that the guy was an online predator. Did you, like others at Discussionsit, know who he was from DU? Did you also know his identify before Vashta?
I really don't think you are in a position to hold yourself out as a judge of character. Or perhaps you are. Perhaps you knew exactly what he was and that is why you defended him. You certainly never bothered to apologize to me for being wrong or for working so hard to prevent him from being exposed. Why is that? And why do you continue to attack the women he threatened? Why is it that you always manage to ally yourselves with those most hostile to women and people of color, no matter how abusive their behavior?
Knowing that Polly insulted somewhere here: "fuck yourself you slimy ignorant pig," you defended her. She then FOR A THIRD TIME racked up five hides and was put on forced leave. She then circumvented the software restrictions to insult women on DU, just as the Doctor had done. Then she sent a series of abusive PMs to a MIRT member who was concerned that she was out of control. Knowing all that, you not only insisted she had just cause for her actions, you yourself continue to attack the very people she has stalked and insulted. It is not enough that in a single week we have been threatened with sexual violence, insulted as "not real women," and repeatedly stalked by misogynist and racist trolls. That isn't enough punishment for you. You instead insist "that group" attacks people. No one in that group makes rape or death threats or alters their profiles to insult other women.
You have instead chosen to stand with people who threatened, stalk, and harass DUers and even double-down on those insults by continuing to attack the targets of their rage. You choose to defend the worst behavior and the worst offenders because that is who YOU are.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)DUers are tired of watching it and that is reflected in that jury decision.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Unbelievable.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)How do you thinkshe was baited because I don't see it?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)never seen a personal insult like that survive a jury.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)I just want to point it out to you, and see if you have a response. It's one of the more blatant examples... but it's not the only one.
If no one shows you this stuff, maybe you can say you never saw it. So, I'm posting this here for you.
And a jury 5-2 saw no reason to hide:
On Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Why don't you go fuck yourself, you slimy, ignorant pig?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Says "go fuck yourself" OTT personal insult.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thread is juvenile name calling and finger pointing and grave dancing. Grow up, people.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Most of the posts in this thread are attacks. Heck with it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Poster really needs to calm down.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Polly has beer. Siding with her. Froggie ain't gone a courtin'. He's just baiting her. He could have left the thread any time but he wants to play. So he got told off. Good for Polly.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely not to someone who has been far, FAR over the top in viciousness already. Alert went to the wrong person.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I didn't serve on the jury, I got the results from the thread the post was made. Someone else posted.
Here is the thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479
This is obviously a case of jury failure, right? Why do you think this wasn't hidden?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nastiness against polly. Maybe those who are responsible for most of the dissension on this forum will take a lesson from that and realize that the community has had enough.
Whining to the admins when the jury doesn't go your way is silly. We all have had jury decisions that we didn't like, most of us let it go.
Or deal with it ourselves.
Kali
(54,990 posts)don't you tend to be a voice of dissent pretty often yourself?
so, a jury leaving an entirely rude, name-calling, non-producutive, EPITOME of uncivil discourse is OK with you because you imagine that "they" did it first?
how mature.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)because before we could see how many times a troll had served on a jury.
and now we're supposed to believe the jury system is better because we don't have that number anymore.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)or not.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I know you're aware I can't respond to your stalking drivel on that thread.
Mail Message
Keep it up though, you're revealing far more about yourself than you realize. And it's just more of the same bullying, dirty tactics and 'pooooor me!' bullshit you excel at. LMAO. No worries, my memory is long.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)if they posted that they apologize while sending you that message.
does not fly.
Response to CreekDog (Reply #445)
Post removed
tblue37
(64,982 posts)I am surprised that no one has alerted on that post. Maybe you should edit it before someone comes along and does so.
*BTW, I don't actually know whether JTFrog is a man or woman, but somehow I have always assumed female. Are you sure s/he is a man?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I don't like listing it in my profile any longer, but yes I am female. I may not be the nicest person in the world, but I have never posted anything near as offensive as that message.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)She has that down pat.
And you are perfectly nice! I've always liked your posts.
polly7
(20,582 posts)How quaint, did you miss all your friend's 'hyper-emotionalism' up above? Just a wee bit selective, are you? Don't judge those you don't know....... you're probably always wrong.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I've been frustrated with a (re)broken foot- this time the ankle, waiting on surgery if the x-rays aren't good tomorrow, and hand, and had to sit on my ass all week doing nothing but thinking of how much they hurt and taking painkillers. No excuse, I know....but I am sorry for the vulgar language.
tblue37
(64,982 posts)from you before (and I do tend to notice such things), and that post kind of freaked me out.
I have seen that both you and JTFrog do get into fairly intense discussions with various people from time to time, and as I have said in other posts on this thread, when I serve on a jury, my inclination is to leave posts alone if they are just vigorous, even heated, arguments, since this is, after all, a *discussion* board, not an echo chamber. I get annoyed with the way some people alert on posts just because they disagree with them--and sometimes just because they dislike the poster. I have also seen obvious cases of alert-stalking, and that disgusts me.
I must also admit that I was appalled that some of the jurors on that post were obviously voting on the basis of animosity against JTFrog, not on the appropriateness of the post. I don't know either of you personally, not even in the online sense of "personally," but I think each post should be judged on its merits, not on the matter of who made the post or whom he/she was responding to.
I don't ever alert on a post myself, although I *can* imagine some types of posts that would provoke me to do so (for example, the repulsive rape threats some women are subjected to). But I did think that your post crossed a line, and though I would not have alerted on it myself, I would have voted to hide if I had been on the jury (which I was not), even though I hate to see long time members accumulating hides that could get them suspended.
I suffer from fairly severe chronic pain of several types, so I certainly understand how pain can set you on edge. After so many years I have adjusted to my pain, but if something happens to spike it significantly, it can make me feel as though I could chew nails and spit carpet tacks. I am quite mild-mannered normally, but I would not want to be someone who crossed me when I am like that. They would not escape the encounter unscathed!
I hope you heal fast. Keep in mind that our bodies' healing process operates largely during sleep. That angry interchange last night actually occurred in the wee-ugly hours of the morning, so you were undoubtedly exhausted as well as in pain. I know pain can make it hard to sleep, but you *need* to sleep in order to facilitate healing.
Take care of yourself, get well, and remember--this is just a message board, and the people on it are not really all that important in your life.
ON EDIT: BTW, JTFrog is a woman. She confirmed my assumption last night after I posted it.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Very few, very, very few people on this site would write something so hateful.
polly7
(20,582 posts)From someone who made a sock and used both of 'you' to 'educate' me on the horrors of FEMEN and gotten away with it,do you really think this is the right thread to claim moral superiority about anything at all?
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Let's revisit "lecturing you about the horrors of femen," shall we? (at least you didn't say FEMA this time).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2605208
Hardly "a lecture" or a comment about "horrors." It was rather a comment pointing out the substance of the article.
Now let's look at the original version of the comment in this thread that led to your proclamation of moral superiority over me.
You address someone you know to be a woman in the following manner:
Big tough man, bullying on the internet!!!!
I hope you realize just how sickening and pathetic you come across ....fucking loser.
If you really mean to apologize, do so to the person you actually insulted. An early morning edit and apology to "DU' may not come off as entirely sincere when you respond to a post expressing shock at your comments by making yet more personal attacks.
Additionally, a poster you have recently said is among your favorite was caught with a sock quite recently, not a year and a half ago, but naturally that doesn't bother you as much as the audacity of women expressing views you disagree with. Now that is truly a horror.
polly7
(20,582 posts)They just make me laugh.
I guess you missed the point in TOS about socks.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)one would think that having somehow survived getting caught making a sock to circumvent DU rules you'd put aside your love of meta and sit this particular thread out! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302058&sub=trans
boston bean
(36,186 posts)you know, sort of like the bullying others are saying is happening to them.
Admin let her stay, you have a problem with that, bring it up with them. I try to give admin here my opinion often, most times (always) I'm ignored. LOL. Maybe you will have better luck.
Maybe you ought to give it a shot about this particular case you find such nerve in someone providing an opinion about.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)not to PPR me. I suggest you take the issue up with him. That you invoke something from a year and a half ago to justify another member's egregiously abusive insults toward someone else is all about your character, not mine.
There have been thousands of socks since then, a number of whom are still active members, including a poster your friend here declared her favorite poster. It's obvious this is about the fact my posting about issues that don't pass your approval. Resorting to personal attacks because you can't handle differences of opinion is weak.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)On Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bye-bye
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5509368
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Pintobean is running from post to post, thread to thread and even board to board getting a chuckle taunting women that are being kicked off the board over frivolous alerts. He is constantly alerting on feminists posts, women he has had issue with for a while. Then, when there is eventually a hide and both Seabeyond and BainesBain kicked off, he taunts them in posts.
http://www.discussionist.com/101641153#post43
This is only an example of his actions the last couple weeks.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:31 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: pintobean often deserves to be hid, and this is no different. Hide this shit.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I will only make a decision on the post alerted on, not on his/her entire posting history.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If anyone wants to see a frivolous alert, it's this one. Juries are called on to adjudicate a POST, not some nonsensical history, real or imagined. Besides, Alerters names aren't published so how does this Alerter know that "He is constantly alerting . . . " so this us an accusation that cannot possibly be proved. THIS POST does not violate TOS. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If they were frivolous, they would not be kicked off the board.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If OP has been doing what is alleged, (s)he should join the Republican party. Would fit right in.
I was juror #4
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It looks like I've lost a friend and gained an alert stalker. You are correct, Le Taz Hot, the alerter doesn't know. I was not the alerter of any of BB's, or sea's, hidden posts that are currently showing on their exposed transparency pages.
It seems that if these members are racking up hidden posts, the time-outs they get give DU just a little more peace.
It amazes me that 3 jurors can vote to hide a post, that just says bye-bye to someone who wrote their epitaph in their profile today, based on obvious bs from the alerter.
I myself have one hidden post in the last 90 days, and I've never had more than two at one time.
Again, thanks. It sucks getting this huge thread to load, and I appreciate you taking the time.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)right about now. Some jury results were just posted down-thread. I'm still laughing.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You survived a jury, but any morsel of decency you might have remaining should tell you the right thing to do. Feeling a grudge doesn't mean you get to act like a sociopath anytime you want. It just looks like the person ranting on the back of a bus.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Sociopath? Check out a mirror and get back to me.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Good move.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Are you a morning drinker by any chance? I rarely drink except out with friends every few weeks or so, so maybe you can tell me how it helps to drink in the am. BTW..... accusing people of drinking just for responding to your nastiness is pretty weak stuff on a message board.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Hilarious!!!!!
Are you some kind of physic psychologist, or just someone who likes to 'play around with' mental illness. Sorry, none of those things apply, and I 'suggest'you worry about your own emotional/mental health. Heal thyself - just advice.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)'Someone' needs to stop accusing people of being drinkers and mentally ill for replying to their complete bullshit.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Perhaps that is why the jury voted as it did. Decency defines her, perhaps YOU don't know her, but those of us who do have been horrified by the attacks she has been subjected to here, especially considering her own history regarding women's issues, issues those very same people claim to care so much about.
Perhaps you are seeing a community finally having had enough.
That appears to be what is happening. I think there are so many here who owe Polly an apology, a woman who has been through so much herself, who, rather than become a victim, has spent HER life helping other victims. I think it would help if you were get to know her better to understand why she reacted as she did, and why many of us, who have taken the trouble, completely understood. Actually from what I know about you, I think you would understand Starry Messenger. I do respect you so am merely trying to say that I think perhaps you are not aware of things that are very relevant to what is going on here.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)She is one of the strongest women I have ever known. She is being swarmed after a recent death in her family and some serious physical injuries. Empathy and compassion are seriously lacking in some people.
http://jackbrummet.blogspot.com/2009/10/poem-torches-pitchforks.html
boston bean
(36,186 posts)I've asked in ATA.
We shall see if it is answered.
You would agree, it probably should have been hidden?
Response to boston bean (Reply #329)
Post removed
boston bean
(36,186 posts)How about you just try to move on from this. Your behavior here was everything you claim to despise.
That's the truth of the matter, and the case you think you are making is falling flat. Losing more credibility with each posting.
I tried to move on with you, quite sincerely, and was outright rejected. I can accept that. Your actions have become the same exact as what you say was done to you. You have no superior standing. You are what you say you can't stand.
polly7
(20,582 posts)how horrible we are, and you're so innocent init all ......... you've made such an effort, lol. You are the host. No call-outs is a rule,right? I was called out- with lies, yet ,you did nothing. Don't try your I've tried mumbo-jumbo with me, I've seen you celebrate hurting too many people to believe a word of it. You have no superior standing,though being host, you could stop a lot of the name-calling,callouts, sexist slurs, etc.in your own group..... I've never even entertained the thought of being 'superior' here or on any other message board. Projecting?
boston bean
(36,186 posts)done what you did here.
You will be unable to find any proof of that here on DU.
I have strong opinions you may not like, but that doesn't mean I'm mean to you or anyone else.
I did NOTHING you say I did, and you can keep on with those allegations, but you won't be able to offer one shred of proof.
Why, because it does not exist.
You want to blame me for everything you find offensive in HoF, go right ahead..... I can't do anything to stop you doing that. Although, I think your anger is misplaced.
polly7
(20,582 posts)face. It was sickening. Also,to the person you wanted to report to have his children taken away (good thing you deleted all those times,eh? - really read the replies you got for just how horrible you were to that poster ( and not just from me), etc etc etc. -so many examples of your vile insults to good people -but pure as the driven snow!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041
Oh, and hey JTFrog- http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041#post321 What's up with that? Terribly insulting. Was it hidden, and did you apologize?
Now,I'done with this crap. If I'm tossed, I'm tossed .... but I find it tiring correcting every word in such a stupid, but really telling,sub-thread. You'll all just have to keep trying even harder!!!
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Again, prove it. You got some screenshots of me telling him to go fuck himself you slimy ignorant pig? Like you did here?
I deleted because I was being alert stalked through the entire thread.
Yeah, I still do think it's a bit strange to tell your daughters that it's ok to walk around the house nude in front him.
I'll stand by that.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)That's what's important right?
boston bean
(36,186 posts)who got who in what end?
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I didn't go whining to ATA. Juries can be biased. At least she deleted it and apologized quickly rather than 6 months later, and which no one who seems so conveniently appalled at polly7 and the jury right now weren't in the least bit at this personal attack at me back then.
that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.
sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.
the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.
a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...
lord. You crack me up.
haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434
polly also didn't blame it on a jury; she apologized for what she said, unlike the situation above:
The post went to jury. The jury allowed it.
Am I supposed to apologize for a jury?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=44639
Hypocrisy at it's best...or worst.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Why are you posting this to me? What does this prove or say about me???
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)You just don't want to admit it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)It's not appreciated in the least. Nothing I have ever said to her warranted that attack. Nothing.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And no one tried defending it. I'm not defending it. But he attacked me out of the blue for appreciating someone else's post. I fully expected to eat a hide on that one. I deserved it.
I'm still not sure what that has to do with this situation. Was my hidden post directed at polly? No, I didn't think so.
Please keep defending this nasty shit.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)great at dishing it out and get all quivery and outraged when taking it? Too funny.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)As for your last two sentences, I can totally relate.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)referenced my screename and related it to farts..... it wasn't a joke either, they were being just plain mean.
I got over it, can't even remember who did it. It was an OP, in META.
I didn't go crucifying myself to some cross.
No, what was said to you was in no way comparable to what was done here in this thread. Was the post nice to you, no, it wasn't. but come on, do we all have to take responsibility for what someone else said to you? WTH? Haven't you gotten enough mileage out of it yet?
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)That was mean what someone did to you regarding your screen name.
I was trying to find a picture about cars and mileage, and I'm posting this in good faith as it's one of my favorite movies and 3 of my favorite characters (had to include Brad).
boston bean
(36,186 posts)After what you called me, you really think you want to go this path?
You have proved NOTHING, except maybe the fact, that I have done nothing. No where in your links have I done or said anything that remotely resembles what it is you think you've proved.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:39 AM - Edit history (1)
It proves that she does not accept my apology. I don't know why she thinks it needs to be brought up in this thread at all.
I am sorry that she is harassing you with this old bone.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is about as obvious as a bear in a phone booth. Lack of capitalization and the disconnected, vaguely Palinesque word salad is a dead giveaway.
William769
(55,124 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)is that they erase the evidence of their own transgressions.
I remember your outburst in Kali's thread last week, where you insisted telling someone to "shut the fuck up" was so bad, you would hide it even against me. But here you are, defending a far worse post and yet again pointing to a single insult against you from some eight months ago. There have been far worse insults to DUers every single day since then, but the only comment that counts is against you. People have been threatened with rape and death. You have made worse insults since. Yet you continue to focus on that one remark. You think the fact you didn't go to ATA and instead bring it up all the time is better?
As for your friend, she deleted this morning, apologized to "DU," not the person insulted, and continued to make attacks, which draws the sincerity of her apology into question.
And here you are, talking again about a comment to yourself. If I call women "skanky snatches," tell them to "fuck yourself . . . slimy ignorant pig," will you defend me as well? Is that what it takes you rise in your esteem?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post13
Since you deleted all or most of your posts in that thread, people will have to infer from how others reacted. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post36
Of course the hidden post survives. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post37
Since we're playing linky dinks, here are some more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2681519
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025218635
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=45043
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=469585
You were saying?
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Wow! You searched and found some of my hidden posts. Big deal. Most of them deserved to get hidden.
At least I admit it.
WTF? This is why I can't take you seriously.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)after posting nearly fifty replies in "another disruptive meta thread".
I couldn't make this shit up if I wanted to.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)the thread was going just fine until the members of a certain group showed up.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)If I remember correctly, the "wonderful person" upon whose grave we're dancing, was the only person I know of who was so incapable of civility that she actually had a post hidden in response to the big Kahuna in ATA. I mean, if you can't at least try to be civil to the big guy, what's that say about a person?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Thatpoetguy had one over 2a supporters being able to post on DU. He either stopped posting after that, or dropped that account for a new one.
There was also a woman, whose name I forget, who had one for going off about how some treated nadin.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)The poster she was talking about is still here. As far as I know, she never ate her hat, but she did abandon that account and now posts under a different user name.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Now I'm all curious as to who she was talking about, and what name she's using now....
Rex
(65,616 posts)This thread is crazy...but illuminating. Educational thread all around.
seaglass
(8,170 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Did you check my work?
opiate69
(10,129 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)seaglass
(8,170 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I can also recite my ABCs.
seaglass
(8,170 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Do you ask that question of everyone who posts as often, or more often, as me?
seaglass
(8,170 posts)it would take some time to keep track of all that info.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I remember people who screw with me and others. It doesn't really take any time or effort.
If I were to make false accusations against you and lie about your posts, I'd bet you'd remember me for it. That happens a lot here. It's often directed at me.
I remember you and me tangling a few times. You have never been mean or lied, so I have no problem with you. I don't remember what those exchanges were about, and I don't really care. You seem like a decent person to me. Most DUers are decent people. That's the way I saw Whisp. Assholes stand out, and are much more memorable.
seaglass
(8,170 posts)would be more memorable, sad that stuff stands out rather than those who are kind and post thoughtfully and passionately. Which is I guess where I started with this. I am just so sick of the childish, repetitive, predictable arguments over and over again. I am not blaming you - though one could place bets on how this thread would go - wouldn't you agree? I just wish everyone would get as bored of this crap as I am getting and try to refrain from feeding it. My new leaf.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)or comment on it. Whisp had friends here. She had been around, and posting, long enough for a lot of people to know who she is. People won't be wondering what happened to her. I was surprised to discover that she had been PPRed and thought others would want to know. What's funny is, I was attacked by some that would call her a friend. My motives were not only questioned, I was called a liar repeatedly. That's not really a shocker, that crowd attacks DUers all the time. It's what they live for.
One could place bets on how this thread would go? Yeah, sure. I felt that it was worth informing the community. I'm a frequent target of the daily attacks, I can take it and I'm usually amused by it. I assume that anyone else who weighs in can take it, as well.
Anyone can just trash the thread. I'm sure a lot of people have.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
No one is required to read it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5496447
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Posts a shit-stirring Meta thread, laughs as it gets ugly, and then whines about he is "lied" about and "attacked." Then goes on to claim "that crowd attacks DUers all the time," whereas one of "that crowd" was insulted in a post he defended as "fuck yourself you slimy ignorant pig." This victim complex in the face of serious insults to the same people is he looking to double down on insulting by making baseless accusations is what this poster does far too often and it's the kind of thing that makes DU suck.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:21 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jesus Christ, this thread is three days old, let it die a natural death by not responding to it anymore.
I wish everyone would just grow up for five goddamn minutes.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert makes DU suck much worse that this post by Pintobean. Whoever wrote this alert might consider apologizing to Pintobean, the admins, and all of DU.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Thanks, aikoaiko.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)And there was no apology from polly to jtfrog. The apology was to others.
The only thing that appears sincere is the initial expletive filled post and edit, and i think this because the edit came the next day and apology was to other readers, not to jtfrog.
An apology to us without an apology to the target is hollow in my opinion.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)edited it so people could still read it? Really?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)about PPRed DUers. They generate these ugly subthreads almost universally. There are many offensive posts containing personal attacks in this thread. That one was the worst of them. That jurors left it because the subthread itself is ugly is symptomatic of something, I think. I consider all of these grave-dancing threads as disruptive meta topics, which should be locked by hosts as soon as they appear. But, I'm not a host nor an admin, so my opinion carries no weight at all.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The jurors leaving it is symptomatic of something alright. I started out posting an excerpt for the reason I thought these threads were no longer allowed in GD. If I got snarky with someone from there it's because they are always snarky with me. That sure as hell doesn't excuse a jury leaving that comment. In fact, I think it proves the point that women here have been trying to get admin to wake up and pay attention to.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Normally, I simply do not participate in this type of thread at all. This time is an exception, due to the obscene personal attack that was left by a jury. When juries do not hide even that level of attack, it means that something is badly wrong. Grave-dancing threads, which is what this one is, generate the kind of personal conflict between DUers that creates a toxic environment, in my opinion. That is why I believe they should not be allowed to continue and should be locked by forum hosts.
The same stuff seems to happen whenever there is a PPR of a well-known DUer. People who liked the DUer and people who did not always seem to show up and get into ugly shouting matches. That's not good for DU, and sometimes results in even more people either losing their posting privileges temporarily or additional PPRs.
So, I don't like such threads. They're disruptive almost every time one is posted.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Does anyone in HOF ever even respond to her absent her coming after them? I know I don't. I had her on ignore for a year and she continued to attack me without my ever responding. She has been on two forced leaves, so some juries are starting to hold her accountable for her posting. Unfortunately this one did not. That anyone would defend a post like that is bewildering. I don't even know how that is possible. I'd hide a post like that if my mother made it. It just isn't right to treat people that way. It certainly hasn't helped the civility level of this thread, which has devolved into a free-for-all of mud slinging.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Apparently she plans to continue on like this.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)I know her memory is long, so long she holds me responsible for a series of things that happened before I joined DU. It's not rational, and little if any of it has to do with you. Although I have asked her many times, she has not once provided proof of these abuses she insists have been perpetrated against her. If you look a few months back in my journal, I have some posts with a whole host of links refusting her accusations against me and showing she has done many things she denies. Truth and evidence appear entirely unrelated to the grudges she harbors. The sad part is the one she hurts the most by holding on to all that anger is herself.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)But she edited AND apologized, which is more than I can say for others.
Since you seem concerned (which is very nice, I might add) by ugly posts and have been here a long time you must have missed this one, otherwise I'm certain you would have commented on how offensive it was, which was neither hidden nor edited. I did finally get an apology about 6 months later, though!
that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.
sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.
the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.
a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...
lord. You crack me up.
haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I'm not getting it. I don't remember that post, though. I don't read every thread on DU, and I don't see my name anywhere in that thread, so yes, I probably did not see it.
You don't find the post I'm talking about ugly? Really?
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)something that had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
At the most it should only involve me, Riff, The Alerter and The Six Jurors of the post.
And Yes, the post you are talking about is Very Ugly.
Peace.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Did you or, did you not, delete your post where you said you had received "unflattering pictures" of me but, you deleted them because that was the right thing to do? Boston Bean asked you and that was the only post you deleted.
What about the thread in TMG where you all raked me over the coals when I had been banned and could not defend myself even if I wanted to? What about all that, Riff?
How about maybe sending the pictures to the person so that they can decide what to do ? How would you like it if someone said they had received "unflattering pictures" of you (what does that even mean, anyway?) And then NO PROOF whatsoever that it even occurred? Wouldn't you want to know who is going around doing such a thing as that? Who knows what pictures you got. They could easily not even be pictures of me just because the person claimed it does not make it true.
Did you not send me a PM reminding me of better times?
So, which is it, Riff? Peace or No?
Whatever you decide = QUIT bringing this up to people that were NOT involved. This is between YOU and ME.
No one else cares and if they do, I feel sorry for them because they have Way Too Much Time on their hands.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Especially when certain people here demand a level of discourse that they don't exhibit.
Yes, I did accept your apology and I believe you meant it.
I was trying to make a point about juries.
I told you I would move on so I will. I was truthful to you that I deleted the pictures and actually sorry I even brought it up; that's the night things came to a head.
I hope you can move on from that.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)and, you will tell me the name of person who sent you said pictures so that I can deal with that matter forthrightly, then we can move on.
This will be an uneasy peace until I receive that name and, as you can understand I must always wonder IF you decide that bringing up this old chestnut can always be held over my head ... in a sort of blackmail to try and, make me behave a certain way then that is no Peace for me.
I must have your promise that you will NOT post this again for any reason whatsoever.
Also, I ask that the thread in TMG be SELF DELETED by EVERYONE who participated in it and, locked by the OP. If any of the participants in that thread have a problem with this they may DU Mail me and explain why they do not want to delete and I will take it on a case by case basis. I understand that you have no control over other people's actions and will not hold you culpable but, will deal with them on my own.
If you are willing to do the above to show me you are willing to move on in good faith then I am willing also.
Thank you for understanding.
Peace.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I'll move on from your comment like I said I would since your apology; I went back on my word once and that's not me at all because I despise that quality in others.
I'm sorry you have to settle for an uneasy peace.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)You Refuse to admit your part in this situation. You refuse to accept any responsibility about participating in that thread in TMG and you refuse to self delete your other questionable posts regarding this matter.
Am I understanding you correctly?
Is that what is happening here?
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Part in what?
Of course I take responsibility of my posts in a thread started by someone else in TMG. It's there for all to see!
Did you think you wouldn't get any backlash? I typically don't make it a habit of trashing other people in safe havens, and have posted there probably 5 times in the last 3-4 months, if that.
Blame me for the pictures because I'm the one that brought them up and regret it, because quite frankly, it's really fucking stupid.
You really think DU needs more hostility, fighting and gossip? I don't.
I told you I'm not bringing up certain things anymore.
I hope the same for you.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)All pictures of me are unflattering.
That threat would not hold water with me lol.
That being said, it sure seems a nasty thing to threaten.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Jesus.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)LOL ... is my reply to her now self deleted post.
Talk about out of left field
I already know who sent them but, they are not pictures of me so the whole thing is rather hilarious.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)having something to do with this.
Talk about out of left field
It seems to me that she was trying to do you a favor by bringing it to your attention.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)You are my favorite DUer !! Snoodles, Snookums !! and Ciao, Baby !!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)someone on here compared you to =
but, in my mind you will always be Joe Friday =
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Have you ever deleted posts so that people could not read them? .
I agree with polly's decision btw. And apparently so does the community.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)that the post was edited, rather than self-deleted. You appear to have misunderstood my words.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)at all, editing is leaving one's OPs and posts but simply adding something or changing something.
I was speaking about the former, deleting, which is not against the rules here and which airc was something you took advantage of often, yourself, which led me to believe you supported it.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)And as you have mentioned, I have used it from time to time. It's especially useful when a poster writes an explosive, obscene personal attack. Editing leaves the ugliness for people to see, if they like.
You still appear to be misunderstanding what I wrote. I wrote that I was surprised that the person edited, rather than self-deleted. It would have been much better had that post been self-deleted, in my opinion. It's a useful tool on DU, especially when someone writes in anger and writes something truly ugly, like that post was.
And with that, our conversation on this is over.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)A hidden post can be seen by any member who wants to see it, "if they like". Given all the complaints about it not being hidden, the edit seems like the best choice. She knew it survived a jury, so she could have left it. If she had self-deleted, a bunch of people would be calling her a coward. We've seen that often enough to know it's true.
I give her credit for choosing the best option. Some people wouldn't be satisfied no matter what she did.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That's admitting that one recognizes that the post was over the line regardless of how a jury viewed it. And yes, some people will never be satisfied so that is irrelevant.
Worse options are continuing to argue with the insulted person, trash talking in one's profile, or starting a Meta thread to draw more attention to the conflict.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The continued disingenuousness over this is insane.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)In my opinion, it depends on the situation. It wasn't the best option here.
The Meta thread about the Meta thread? Yeah, only one side should be allowed to post Meta threads. As long as they're hidden in plain sight. I see you put your two cents in over there.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)As for Meta threads, there's no prohibition against them in groups unless the group has a rule against it. There is, as you know, a prohibition against them in GD. And yes, I put my two cents in on a thread that mattered to me. Is that any different than what you're doing here in this thread?
eta: apparently polly7 would like to see this thread die. You're the OP. You can make that happen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5501850
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)that ugly personal attack in the first place. That would have been my choice. As for my opinion, if I say anything that is not from a link, it is always my opinion. The opinions of others might differ from mine, but I will state my opinion on DU from time to time. Hope you don't mind.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)What she did was the closest thing to the effect of a hidden post. It's hot visible, but it can be seen by logged-in members, if they so choose - just like a hidden post.
The only thing missing is the 20 point gig to her record. Only a jury can provide that, and they chose not to.
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seaglass
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Good grief, people .... I said I wouldn\'t be back, calm down!!! (Fixed my keyboard). Bye to all the good people here. Please don\'t let the warmongers blow up the fucking world. polly
So can you shut this thread down now?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)the post so that others could still read it. He is advocating the self-delete option and wondering why she didn't use it. Pretty clear it's because she wanted people to go look and see what she had said.
I usually agree with all your posts on DU but oddly none in this thread. Obviously there is a lot of history between various posters in this thread that I don't know about, but polly7 has been nothing but angry and rude in this thread and there is no defense of that post of hers that some idiotic jury didn't find hide worthy.
Sad to see her in this light because I believe I usually agree with her on policy and issues as well.
Everyone just needs to reset and start over and stop acting like they're in junior high. I was a little embarrassed by a couple of my own posts on DU in the past but wow!, this entire thread just makes mine seem so inconsequential it's not even funny.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you do not know Polly or this post would not have written. It is not Polly who has been shown in 'any light', considering that history and HER history. The jury who chose not to hide her post, obviously was aware of what has been going on here.
I usually agree with your posts also, but not any in this thread.
Just because for years the voices claiming to represent women here were the loudest doesn't mean they actually represented most of DU's women.
Thanks for your comment, I am not at all ignorant of the history and it is not possible to 'start over' with people who, eg, create sock puppets to try to control the dialogue here.
I know of no one on this forum who has been more of an advocate for women than Polly, NO ONE, and who proves that each and every day in REAL LIFE. I am sure you mean well, Cui Bono, but I believe you are lacking a whole lot of information re this situation.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Anyway... like I said, I don't know the history, but I do know that post by polly was inappropriate and should have been hidden.
I really wish people would just argue the points and not drag all the past around with them. I know it's difficult and I do it sometimes but this thread and others get really out of control. I don't use the ignore feature but if the animosity is this great and cannot be overcome perhaps that is the answer.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)seems like you're not sorry at all. you posted the first version, bad enough, then you edited that version to add another expletive filled line at JTFrog.
now you offer "apologies to DU", as if you're sorry we had to see what you called JTFrog?
hollow apology, insincere and coupled with the message you sent to them via DU Mail, self serving and ingenuous.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Oh, that's funny
pintobean
(18,101 posts)No one else has made the accusation.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Would have raised the roof, if I had thought it was allowed.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Gravedancing is a tradition, whether one thinks it is a good or a bad one. Personally I'd be fine with all gravedancing threads being verboten, but that is highly unlikely, and I suspect most peoples' opinion on gravedancing varies wildly from month to month depending on how fond they were, or weren't, of the specific dance-ee.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)As disruptive Meta? Is your job as a host not to enforce those rules consistently?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And in fact, as far as I can tell, leaving this thread open IS enforcing the rules consistently. Can you point to a gravedancing thread that was locked, either under the old SOP -or- the revised one that I linked? Because I can't think of any.
I'm pretty sure there was a massive outpouring of gravedancing a couple weeks ago, well after the new SOP. Don't think that was locked, either.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Despite several PPRs, precisely because of the provision against discussions of banned members. This is clearly disruptive Meta, as it was intended to be. It has degenerated into a series of personal attacks, which is the very defintion of disruptive.
Besides, we both know if I post a gravedancing thread about oldhippie or someone else it would be locked in a second.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If the OP isn't "complaining about DU"; and of course, that would depend on the wording of the OP- I don't believe it would.
And as I said, dancing isn't complaining- it doesn't run afoul of the new SOP, which, as you note (and contrary to your previous claim) does not "specifically ban gravedancing".
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)There is enough ugliness and drama in this thread. My goal in life is not to create more misery for people. I'll leave that to others far better qualified.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I don't think you need to be.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Nothing is.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And the amended SOP backs up that definition.
The OP is not complaining about DU. As for what happens after the OP, lots of threads turn into clusterfucks of all varietals, however, the host's duties pertain to the OP and the wording therein.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)a grave dancing thread on a long-time DUer will turn into a clusterfuck, don't you think? If it didn't, it would be a rarity. Of course, one particularly noxious post left by a jury sent it into an even more toxic direction.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that hasn't happened, nor do I think it is likely to. My only point is that such a decision would need to be applied consistently.
And those advocating such things when the grave-dancee is someone they agreed with, ought to remember that such a change would also apply to gravedancing for the folks they're glad are gone- "long-time trolls" and the like.
Just imagine the tragedy if, for instance, one day I were to be banned, and the folks who can't stand me weren't able to properly celebrate said fact.
Man, what a bummer that would be!
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)but nothing compared to my demise. No, seriously. I thought they were all banned. I was surprised to see this one.
betsuni
(25,135 posts)Somehow it is pertinent. Giselle, a young peasant woman, falls in love with Albrecht, a royal playboy disguising himself as a peasant. When Giselle finds out he's an impostor already engaged to another, she goes mad and dies, becomes a Wili, a ghost doomed to dance any unwary traveler to death on moonlit nights. Albrecht feels bad, goes to Giselle's grave at night. The Queen of the Wilis commands Giselle to dance him to death but she dances with him and saves him because she still loves him, forgives him. At dawn she sinks back down into her grave; he is alone and sad for what he has done. So ... some are danced to death and some get special treatment.
sheshe2
(83,354 posts)she~
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Whisp,if you're reading this.... .... ......
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Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)You even took the time to reply and kick it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)Bummer.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Thick Skinned Theory.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)After all, some other people have used it for even more nefarious means, ducked PPR, and laugh about it to this day.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I assume you're talking about an alert sock. I always wonder if admin regrets that one.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'm pretty confident that kind of nonsense will no longer be tolerated.
tblue37
(64,982 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Got a 0-7 leave it alert and can't alert for 24 hours - just use the sock to alert. That's some dedicated alerting.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)I did not alert at the time I made the account. And when I used it to alert, I was not locked out of alerting. It was also at a time when Skinner had posting something in ATA saying having two accounts wasn't in and of itself a violation of the rules, which I suspect is why I wasn't PPR'd over it.
I'm sorry you have so much unresolved anger one-and-a-half year's after Skinner's decision not to PPR me. You should really take that up with him, or find another way to deal with those issues.
BTW, how is your medical friend?
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)(Apparently they're alerting on everything)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
"BTW, how is your doctor friend?" A personal attack trying to tie a long time DUer to a disgusting Discussionist troll (The Doctor) that was banned for extremely vile comments directed at her and other hof members. Only one person is responsible for those comments. She's used this dishonest tactic on many DUers.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:30 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this alert is not just bogus but bullshit
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I really don't like people who used socks to mislead DU trying to attack DUers by implying an association with someone else. I can't see another explanation for "your medical friend", and the 'unresolved anger' and 'issues' stuff is BS too (yes, we don't like sockpuppets here, and someone asked for an example - it's your tough luck you were caught and exposed by admin), so it's a hide vote.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ridiculous alert and a total waste of time. Alerter should get a life.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Underhanded, unacceptable.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will....
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Yes, alerting on everything while being outraged I alerted on a post telling a member to "go f(spelled out) yourself, you slimy ignorant pig."
Can't make this stuff up.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)The person got five hides, had a long time out, and made a sock to continue participating.
The community voice means a lot, until it doesn't.... when they don't want to hear it!
polly7
(20,582 posts)But, blame it on the 'community',that should make everyone feel guilty. And I don't really know Whisp other than she seemed to dislike me a whole lot-which is/was absolutely fine with me, but it's too bad she couldn't wait it out and I find this sad for her. But not just speaking of this case,do you think making a sock is acceptable?
I'm also sad about OldHippie. Wtheck did he do?
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)Didn't know her much, but could tell she was a genuinely good person and always enjoyed her posts.
Her ban will leave a void.
Iggo
(47,489 posts)Done in by the only consistent rule DU has!
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I'd better clean out my sock drawer. (kidding)
Thanks for this post, pintobean. I didn't read it as gravedancing so much as informational... I saw it as your way of making a DU public service announcement to let everyone know that ONE MORE long time DUer has jumped the track.
I don't have access to mirt and host cliques so I would not have known about Whisp, without your post; so, thanks again.
DU is not better off without Whisp. I hope she works it out with admin and comes back soon. DU cannot afford to lose another longstanding member of this community.
The old adage, "You are only as strong as your weakest link," is a warning that DU would do well to heed. The recent hemorrhaging of democratic oldtimers, juxtaposed by the influx of newbie trolls, has negatively affected DU's community chain; making it decidedly weaker and more rickety.
Trolls are populating DU as if someone had left the gate open. Meanwhile, long time, dedicated members of this community appear to be increasingly missing in action. Not a good trend...
TYY
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I did the same type of post when Taverner was PPRed. He and I did not get along, but I didn't let that show. He had a lot of friends here; people I do like. I just wanted to let the community know. I wasn't happy or sad about it. I was just reporting news.
Whisp gave me shit once in a while, but it was usually done in a humorous way. I thought she could be interesting and I did like her. I'm sad for her. She had to know the consequences for that sock when she created it. It had to be at a point of not caring.
Autumn
(44,762 posts)What can one need to say so badly to do that? It's always sad to see a long time DUer go.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)one sock before and gotten busted for it. But, no ban.
it's a rule that's apparently enforced when expedient.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)in Texas?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they headed out towards the setting sun
morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Note that they did not name the person for whom it was a sock. That person is still at DU, albeit on yet another posting break.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Bring whisp back!!!
Seems most liked her. I liked her sock jayden too. At least I am consistent.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)All she was was rude, nasty snark and smilies.
DU needs people who will actually discuss issues and not just name call and make smarmy retorts to those who dare say something they don't like to hear.
That being said... the hides she got were ridiculous. However, there were many, many rude posts that I think warranted hides that were left out there - whether they were even alerted on or not I don't know. All in all, DU isn't losing any valuable discourse and she seemed to have lost it recently.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the sock should have gotten the heave-ho.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)were not told. We might have been wrong that it was a sock of who we thought but the nuke was solid because it would have been reversed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)but we might have been wrong.
Not completely sure.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Response to geek tragedy (Reply #191)
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat. He was so stressed in the morning...
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)If it was Skinner or EarlG, it would say so where it says MIRT, just FYI.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Members get that confirmation from admin. by requesting an ip check. Was it different in this case?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)The post where they plainly say they were a sock puppet of someone on time out, I think.
Since MIRT nuked, I guess it never got to Skinner to do an IP check.
I wasn't on that term but that's what I gather.
Plus what justin said.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)because then all one has to do to get a long time DUer banned, is create a new DU account and announce on the account that you are the (screenname you want banned).
there has to be a more thorough way of checking for socks than that.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)As you know from being on MIRT, MIRT cannot ban a long time DUer. Even if they suspect the long time member has a sock. All MIRT can do is request a check. Admin then checks. It's either clear or not (as we see in this case) and then Admin takes action.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)They've had the most temporary posting breaks of anyone that I've noticed, and they're currently on another...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=139846&sub=trans
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)They'd even accused me of being totally dishonest about a comment I'd made in support of BainsBane:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472731
So yeah, something seemed off about them.....but I honestly never thought, even for a second, that Whisp was the person behind JaydenD's sock, as it were. I actually didn't recall having too many issues with her. But it is, what it is, I suppose.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Oh, and btw:
188. lol joe anyone who you dont agree with seems extreme to you.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)If that makes me extreme so be it.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'm sorry, but falsely accusing somebody of that kind of thing just because you have a personal beef with them, as JaydenD did, is pretty bad. And you should frankly be ashamed of yourself as well, for supporting that.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Your understanding of the frustration of the one who made the comment. Because you experienced something you think was bad from feminists on du.
But one should never make those threats, you say, while qualifying you statement with the above.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In fact, even a jury understood what I was saying:
On Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Sorry to hear of this horrible behavior.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472573
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Just unacceptable - "regardless of the motivation behind them". As if there could possibly be reason for rape or rape htreats.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:47 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing how this post is worse than others in this thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to nitpick the word choice. He doesn't support rape. It's probably related to the fact that some use rape threats against people they dislike. He considers that also unacceptable.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poorly worded, for sure, but I believe this was sincere outrage on behalf of the OP.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's ambiguous. There is motivation for rape threats other than an intent to rape, like intimidation, goading, harassment etc. Alerter has a reasonable point about this, but argue the point, rather than alert? More educational.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post clearly was supportive toward the person who was dealing with this situation. People have to understand that there are good people with good intentions here who just are not as attuned to the exact phrasing for some of the issues that come up as others might be.
The more appropriate way to address this is to post, "thank you for the support. it may seem minor, but using the word motivation ... "
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I'll be honest and admit that Juror #7 did have a valid point-my initial wording was not perfect, and I could see how some might be slightly confused. I even changed the post to reflect said suggestion. And #3 and #5 also got it right: my post was indeed an expression of sincere concern for the wellbeing of said fellow DUer.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)but the other half of the time I really admired her. JaydenD seemed about the same.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Myself included. Of course your comments in other threads on the issue provided the context. You did send a very nice PM, which I very much appreciated. I only point this out to say I do not believe there was anything extreme about her reaction, particularly since others responded similarly. I again thank you for your thoughtful PM.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Wish she could have waited it out. Hopefully she'll be back at some point in some form.
Oldhippie, otoh, well, not so much.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)That'd be my guess. DU3 jury system sucks, as long as we're all meta in this thread.
kickitup
(355 posts)All the sock did evidently was repeat a line from my post/mini rant and that single line was sent to a jury? My post wasn't alerted on. Perhaps I am missing something, and if I am I hope someone will clue me in.
I don't understand why the post (Jayden) has in her transparency page was worthy of a jury hide.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I like the jury system.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I haven't seen what all the complaints and arguments are about, have just seen the posts about them.
I have seen some pretty nasty stuff on positive posts for no reason.
Tell ya, whatever is going on doesn't really make me want to hang around. Seems sights created for controversy and trolling wouldn't be much different
Hope I am wrong
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not too long ago, there were a bunch of peeps who created lounge war after lounge war. It was funny to watch.
Except when it wasn't.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It's sad. We have way too much work to do. Disagreement and open discussion is productive. Argument for argument sake and attacking just to attack is disruptive and stupid.
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flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Hope it's reconsiered ):
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)I think it's Discussionist purgatory for her now, or something different altogether. I'll miss her. I liked Whisp and Jayden was very supportive of me.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Cha
(295,926 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)please PM me.
Cha
(295,926 posts)happens and there's no way to get a hold of peeps.
Number23
(24,544 posts)She was fabulous.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have had interactions with her where she would bash Clinton for the exact things Obama does yet Clintons actions were horrible and Obamas were grand. Very inconsistent in that manner. I simply stopped replying to her political posts on Clinton. That easy. She contributed in other ways that were wonderful to me. She had many insightful posts on other topics and others may have thought her Clinton posts were great. We each take different things from the board. Sorry to see such a long term poster go like this. I know she will be back with another account.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)sucks so bad these days.
Petty and childish adults.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)That's my opinion about this.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)The more well-known the DUer, the longer these threads are and the more ugly.
I don't care who is PPRed. The aftermath of it makes DU suck through these threads.
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)It has to be really over the top or be somebody with low post counts who are clearly trolling. I can only remember once where I voted to hide the post of a long time DU'er. I figure they were the ones who built this place, good or bad, and they deserve some consideration.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:17 PM - Edit history (2)
that is going precisely according to plan. Congratulations. You must be very pleased. I know how much you love this sort of thing.
To the mathematically challenged peanut gallery, I had posted about 14 posts when I made this post, not 50 and not "HUNDREDS.'
If people believe themselves to be on the side of angels, why do they feel compelled to fabricate numbers? Posts are time stamped. It's easy to tell when something was posted.
Rex
(65,616 posts)but yeah...total META thread.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)which is why I didn't post one in GD when JJChambers was PPR'd. He stalked me relentlessly and I had him pegged as a RWer from day one. Turns out I was right. Same with the Doctor. I confronted him on being Vashta when Discussionist first started and the OP attacked me for it. Again, I was right.
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)Rest of the jury - sorry it took so long but I had to think about this one . . .
My name is in my vote.
Explanation: Seriously? There are a couple hundred posts in this thread worse than this one.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh just leave it. BB is being a hypocrite, seeing how she is up to her eyeballs in this thread. Still, the alerted comment doesn't warrant a hide. No DU rules are violated.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."
This thread was meta from the get go and it's a lost of nasty pecking at each other. I'm reaching out to GD hosts to see if the whole thing can get locked.
Please reach out to justanothergen if you are the alerter and you think we got this wrong. But if you read your alert itself - there's a lot of emotion here. Lets calm down.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Have to agree with the alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Whining about whining while whining...
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Than post 251, the original version of which is reposted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5487325
Thanks, JAG. I agree with you about the thread deserving to be locked.
And juror 2 is right. I am up to my eyeballs in it, much to my own shame. No excuse for it. Someone asked me to alert on that particularly nasty post, and when the jury didn't hide it I responded and got dragged in. That's on me.
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)It's just really ugly all the way around.
This is a time at DU where we are in the final run up to mid term elections.
Now - right now - we all need to start supporting each other on GOTV efforts and social media networking to get our candidates elected.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Seems pretty straight-forward to me.
I already asked you to stop ruining my childhood crush on Spock by posting him.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)to coordinating with other people about sending alerts on posts.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Someone asked me to alert on a highly abusive post, so I did. I have no reason conceal that fact. Anyone would alert on that. It was awful. There is no nefarious plot. The point is to keep people civil rather than verbally abusing one another. Every DUer, including yourself, should have an interest in that. That you find it objectionable is far more problematic than the alert. I can't even begin to imagine what justification a person come make to defend such a thing. I would think self-respect and concern for principle would prohibit it.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Most DUers I know don't consult each other about alerts. So yeah, that is actually fascinating that you do.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Have you taken a survey? I don't know why you find asking a favor of a friend to be diabolical.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)it does seem to beg the question, "why could the other person not just alert on it?" And, the only answer that comes to mind is that he or she was, at the time, precluded from alerting because of having "lost" on an alert unanimously. (Or, perhaps is on a transparency vacation, although I thought those posters could still alert) Which, in any case, seems to be nothing more than a small degree or two separated from creating sock accounts to get around the alert limitations.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)All the same thing. That's quite the mind you have.
If you think it so out of line, post a question to Skinner in ATA. Ask him if it is against he rules to ask a friend to alert on a highly abusive insult.
I would suggest it is a far greater violation to allow such a post to stand, but then that's my bias toward basic civility.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)If you have an issue. Until that point, your opinion on this matter isn't worth much more than
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....which you certainly have enjoyed participating in and getting your grievances out there since yesterday.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)enjoyed, no.
Are you going to self-delete again? I know how you hate when people don't say what you want them to.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)That would require me to believe you.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Nevermind. I've fulfilled my quota of conversations about nothing. Have a good evening.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)It's taking too long to load now.
Rex
(65,616 posts)IOW, ask the admins first.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)But it is going places.
Honestly, there used to be more whimsy in this place.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Phone home, Whisp.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)ProSense too if you're out there . . . you might be gone but you're not forgotten!
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)who seems to be on an extended vacay
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)DU just ain't the same without Whisp and ProSense.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)GP6971
(31,017 posts)A lot of infighting here.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)otherwise it would seem an awful lot like high school.
GP6971
(31,017 posts)in DU terms,what exactly is the definition of a sock puppet?? Not being flip here, just want to know.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)or a third, fourth, etc.
A zombie is a person who returns after being banned.
GP6971
(31,017 posts)what I suspected, but doesn't their IP address give them away?
Violet_Crumble
(35,954 posts)Dear Whisp. I didn't know you, but after reading this thread full of sock-puppetry, yelling, and hidden posts, I feel I know you well enough to put a few heart-felt words together.
I vaguely remember we bumped into each other in the early days of DU3. You were yelling at me about something, but no hard feelings. I know you must have been yelling at me in a nice way, because I'd forgotten all about it by the time I read yr post and moved onto the next one.
Thank you for being the impetus for this thread, which was an awesome and entertaining read. Everything's here, except for much talking about you, the subject of the OP. I want more. I'd even suggest you create another sock-puppet and go straight to ATA to confront Skinner and EarlG on how little Whisp talk there was in this thread, but they're such party poopers the way they notice when sock puppets do that. So, I'll leave you with this sage advice for any future DU adventures. Farewell for now....
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I can't remember him or her specifically, but having read through this thread, I feel like I have missed an event or perhaps even several events of critical importance. If I ever acquire a large newspaper chain and happen to be lying on my deathbed nursing a snowglobe or some other assorted knick-knackery, I am convinced that my dying word will be "Whisp".
BTW, I read through that long, long thread a couple of months ago in which you were accused of doing something adverse or against the rules, I can't remember what it was. I can only remember getting to the end and thinking: do these fucking people have lives?
Violet_Crumble
(35,954 posts)Though I nearly got sucked in around the halfway mark when I was tempted to pop in to tell someone they'd invented a new word and ask 'what thread? what hidden post? who said what to who?' But then I thought better of it. It's always better to let these wear themselves out and pop up right at the bottom of the thread...
Don't go underselling the one time I've ever been the subject of attention outside of the I/P forum. There were multiple longarse threads spanning the Hosts forum and GD, and I did consider posting once in each and then leaving, just so they'd blow out to over 1000 posts each. I've decided to leave instructions for Skinner in the event of my nuking that any threads announcing my DU demise are to be restricted to the I/P forum, where the strict guidelines enforced to this day will have to be put to the side specially for me, and where at least I'll know who's hating on who and why, and what thread someone is talking about. We're a very civilised bunch down there compared to up here...
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)as I understand it, was that the I/P room was hermetically sealed on account of the fact that the Israel issue tended to "provoke flame wars" amongst the wider public. Well bugger me, flame wars eh? Imagine having to put up with those.
I/P is a good old fashioned two-way shitfight, there's only two teams and people sign up to either one for life. For me, I love those pro-Israeli motherfuckers, especially Dave. If I ever met him in person I would drink him under the table and then tattoo the Palestinian flag on his arse after he passed out. And then he'd wake up and we'd all have a good laugh about it.
I feel bad for the admins, it must feel like a pretty toxic environment for them sometimes, and on their own website. I only hope that the ad revenues bring in enough dosh to choke a brown dog, as they must sometimes see very little purpose in the whole endeavour otherwise.
Rex
(65,616 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)since the Hosts won't lock it.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)doesn't.
Perhaps the forum should be renamed 'spit-ballunderground.com', eh?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)want me to delete this cash cow?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)we are all Bozos on this bus and pintobean is the driver ...
omg.
literally, tears in the corners of my eyes laughing so hard.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)To quote Game of Thrones:
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."
CatWoman
(79,283 posts)did she/he post a thread posting the Ferguson PD?