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Whisp has been PPRed (Original Post) pintobean Sep 2014 OP
as did oldhippie hrmjustin Sep 2014 #1
That one was an ass. nt boston bean Sep 2014 #7
Um I didn't follow him but skinner agreed. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #9
I noticed he was pretty hateful to women. bettyellen Sep 2014 #20
That is probably why he was ppr'ed. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #24
I think being here 10 years and then PPR'd as a troll... DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #29
Well troll can mean anything. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #30
Totally get it. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #37
Apt descriptor. Old hippies I know offline were nothing JimDandy Sep 2014 #209
Just so. As an unreconstructed freak in good standing, I felt his handle was inaccurate. riqster Sep 2014 #343
He was also a pro-nuclear troll. I'm happy to hear he's gone. nt bananas Sep 2014 #552
I don't get the Admins using the "sock" reason- for that weird rapey poster @ Discussionist, or bettyellen Sep 2014 #31
Yeah I was not please either with that reason. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #33
I think his MO was to deliberately creep out women.... bettyellen Sep 2014 #226
It might suck, but rules are for everyone. moriah Sep 2014 #111
Skinner explained that The Straight Story Sep 2014 #161
Ack, the link isn't opening now, but thanks for trying to explain! bettyellen Sep 2014 #217
Unfortunately BainsBane Sep 2014 #461
It's an easy out - TBF Sep 2014 #303
and to use that same message for Pipsquawk BainsBane Sep 2014 #424
and yet the community didn't hide a single post in the past 90 days. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #55
It says no hide. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #57
That's why I limited it to 90 days. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #61
It could have been an alert that didn't get a hide. pintobean Sep 2014 #62
I'm guessing there were many alerts on his posts in the past 90 days. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #63
No, there were no alerts on him .... PsychoBunny Sep 2014 #119
How would you know if any of his posts were alerted? JTFrog Sep 2014 #122
Because he is my grandfather PsychoBunny Sep 2014 #128
Sad. Say bye back, and wish him all the best. polly7 Sep 2014 #134
Actually that was his sock BainsBane Sep 2014 #444
Even he wouldn't know if his posts were alerted unless they were hidden. JTFrog Sep 2014 #135
posters do not know if they were alerted on unless the alert ended in a hide or someone notifies uppityperson Sep 2014 #256
If he "pissed off HoF" their influence lies in alerting. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #131
hof has ZERO frickin influence on skinner. boston bean Sep 2014 #136
The person you are responding to has just been delivered a pizza. William769 Sep 2014 #414
LOL. Thanks for letting me know... boston bean Sep 2014 #422
HOF has less than no influence w/ Admin... and he would never know if anyone alerted on him bettyellen Sep 2014 #223
Exactly what influence on Skinner would that be? NuclearDem Sep 2014 #282
Post fail bro. Agschmid Sep 2014 #306
Those kind of comments are disrespectful to Skinner BainsBane Sep 2014 #453
I did a search of his recent posts and saw nothing that would merit a PPR BainsBane Sep 2014 #271
Yes, he'd turn up in threads on those subjects kcr Sep 2014 #274
I have to ask underpants Sep 2014 #428
It's the history of feminism group BainsBane Sep 2014 #430
Ok underpants Sep 2014 #434
well, I was banned from discussionist boston bean Sep 2014 #118
Do you have a link to your transparency page over there? pintobean Sep 2014 #123
no i don't boston bean Sep 2014 #129
What was your username over there PsychoBunny Sep 2014 #138
Why don't you tell "grandpa" to stop using your computer? JTFrog Sep 2014 #143
lol. boston bean Sep 2014 #145
Ha! I don't think he could deal with an iPad. PsychoBunny Sep 2014 #151
You keep talking about it. pintobean Sep 2014 #139
you guys think youll find something really big over there, huh? it might blow up boston bean Sep 2014 #142
Who should I believe pintobean Sep 2014 #156
that account was created on the day duscussionist opened. how can it possibly be true boston bean Sep 2014 #159
You're like the Gladys Kravitz of DU. sufrommich Sep 2014 #148
Did you post that for all of the other announcements? polly7 Sep 2014 #152
I wasn't commenting on the OP. nt sufrommich Sep 2014 #154
Oh, just general meanness then ..... I get it. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #155
^== This. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #332
Once again, you've left yourself little room to talk. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #358
It's considered bad form... TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #363
I didn't get her locked out... I guess someone should have sent a memo. JTFrog Sep 2014 #364
A memo?... TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #367
Yes. I'm suggesting I didn't realize she was locked out of the thread after a jury let her post stay JTFrog Sep 2014 #368
talk about bad form ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #558
I really don't know what you're referring to... TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #586
if you think about the banning, you would realize it can't possibly be the truth. boston bean Sep 2014 #153
Yes, I know. Did you ever get an explanation? nt sufrommich Sep 2014 #157
I searched under the two names listen on her PPR message myself BainsBane Sep 2014 #273
Um... pintobean Sep 2014 #164
That was a blatant silencing tactic. JTFrog Sep 2014 #125
misognyists generally are clueless Skittles Sep 2014 #403
Absolutely. I remember thinking once, 'you were never a hippie, closeupready Sep 2014 #228
Yep. a la izquierda Sep 2014 #437
One bigot down. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #44
My apologies, but what exactly did this guy do? nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #199
There ix no explanation. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #201
Well, I do trust Skinner, btw. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #211
Well it might have been a combination of things. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #213
check out his last few posts ecstatic Sep 2014 #230
anti choice, anti women posts CreekDog Sep 2014 #234
Don't think I ever saw his "anti-choice" posts, but then again I'm not exactly surprised. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #291
He was an unpleasant jerk with some obviously right-wing-ish views on race and gender. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #290
Finally! gollygee Sep 2014 #85
I've known too many sexist old hippies in my life. hunter Sep 2014 #163
One of the least apt screen names I can think of. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #284
He was PPR'd as a troll BainsBane Sep 2014 #376
I wish we got more than I trooll response so I have no idea why he was banned. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #377
Can you find a post that would suggest that? BainsBane Sep 2014 #379
No I never really read his thread. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #380
Oh, I suppose BainsBane Sep 2014 #381
The reason I doubt it is because the ppr message would have mentioned it. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #382
That is a good point. BainsBane Sep 2014 #383
It looks like you were right that oldhippie had socks. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #432
Oldhippie was ragingly obvious jberryhill Sep 2014 #501
I agree. Rex Sep 2014 #515
Good DUer Aerows Sep 2014 #2
That's all I know her from too. Neoma Sep 2014 #67
We had a blast while it lasted, though, didn't we? Aerows Sep 2014 #86
Yeah, until I decided the game wasn't as great as Diablo II. Neoma Sep 2014 #92
Agreed, Neoma! Aerows Sep 2014 #97
You have to try XCOM's Long War mod. Marr Sep 2014 #385
Have you tried Torchlight II? jeff47 Sep 2014 #582
She might as well commited threatening behavior! boston bean Sep 2014 #3
can't she come back as herself , just has to apologize and make donation JI7 Sep 2014 #8
I liked Whisp Aerows Sep 2014 #10
I liked her, too. pintobean Sep 2014 #13
hardy har har har boston bean Sep 2014 #53
Yeah, I goofed pintobean Sep 2014 #59
yep boston bean Sep 2014 #75
Bea a day Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #78
What this place needs is fewer feminists. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #60
Yes, Gormy Cuss... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #132
You're making the same false accusation that Whisp made, MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #197
i thought you made an apology about that? boston bean Sep 2014 #202
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #221
More fibbing, and a terrible false accusation. Lovely. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #248
No one with a lick of sense gives that clique's accusations any weight at all anymore. Marr Sep 2014 #390
Good grief. ucrdem Sep 2014 #463
Stop stalking people who call you out! Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #309
Sadly, that says it perfectly. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #464
I'm sorry to see that... n/t hlthe2b Sep 2014 #4
I guess one had better be careful about criticizing Hillary Clinton. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #5
puhlease. it had nothing to do with criticism of HRC but for posting rightwing memes on du. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #11
And flying off the handle... Aerows Sep 2014 #102
Nothing to do with Hillary. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #12
And a going off on rants issue. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #103
I read the hides and the two hillary hides were questionable. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #105
Justin is correct. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #15
Oh, I get that, but the fact remains that some of Whisp's hides were just for criticizing Clinton. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #23
As Skinner says, you take your chances with juries here. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #27
"take your chances" because nobody really knows what jury/"community" standards really are CreekDog Sep 2014 #36
I once got a post hidden because of a typo. Jenoch Sep 2014 #54
Someone thought my sig line was disruptive and hateful Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #81
I got busted for mocking ebola deniers. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #146
I got hidden for saying something nice about the Pope Generic Other Sep 2014 #491
for once (maybe twice) we agree wyldwolf Sep 2014 #107
I wonder if it would make a difference Quackers Sep 2014 #260
It might wyldwolf Sep 2014 #299
I'm pretty much a mainstream DFLer (it's a Minnesota thing) Jenoch Sep 2014 #270
I got one for asking if someone had been "under a rock" that they didn't know about something. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #140
I often serve on juries--especially in the wee hours of the morning, when fewer people tblue37 Sep 2014 #246
interesting that Skinner has seemed to dispute that there is any alert stalking CreekDog Sep 2014 #253
I agree the hillary hides were questionable. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #43
so okay to criticize the Democratic Frontrunner on a Democratic forum? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #137
This idea of yours ... Trajan Sep 2014 #162
this "idea" of mine? Are you a Democrat? Are you committed to voting for whoever can BEAT republican VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #207
I think that's just fine; she's not the nominee. This isn't "Hillary Underground". Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #240
But it IS Democratic Underground....AND she IS the front runner AMONG Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #518
So? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #526
Our Democratic president was called a POS, among other insults, without the poster suffering any tblue37 Sep 2014 #250
Yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #305
HA! So now it's not even ok to criticize your favorite candidate *before the primaries*? Marr Sep 2014 #396
um, 'JaydenD' followed people from thread to thread picking fights over Clinton wyldwolf Sep 2014 #104
yeah she didnt like clinton. puts her in a boat with about 75% of du. boston bean Sep 2014 #113
but 75% of DU's anti-Clinton members don't behave like she did. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #117
75% Bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #141
ok, sorry, i just picked a number. boston bean Sep 2014 #180
You would be surprised.....many REAL Democrats on DU.....do not like conflict....so they VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #206
So if you don't support Hillary then you're not a real Democrat? Quackers Sep 2014 #263
did I say that....or are YOU inferring it instead? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #519
Yes. DURHAM D Sep 2014 #175
NAFTA hurt every country involved, not just the US. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #307
some of those hides Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #6
And several posts that should have been hidden Aerows Sep 2014 #14
if she calms down it will be easy Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #17
I wish only the best for her. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #18
You are probably right malokvale77 Sep 2014 #21
Reading through her hides, it seems she was targeted. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #16
She would not have been banned if she hadn't done this. Sissyk Sep 2014 #25
I understand that, I'm just referring to the bogus hides. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #28
Clinton is NOTHING? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #144
Did she declare her candidacy, that I missed? TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #185
has anyone? She is STILL the frontrunner....whether YOU like it or not! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #204
"Frontrunner" is a meaningless designation, she hasn't declared her candidacy and the TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #210
not when you have poll after poll that puts you not only AHEAD....but AHEAD of any Republican VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #215
I think I'm backing Wile deutsey Sep 2014 #310
the poster meant she's a private citizen with no political title TransitJohn Sep 2014 #227
Constantly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #308
So true. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #527
That sucks. I liked her a lot LittleBlue Sep 2014 #19
Yes LittleBlue... malokvale77 Sep 2014 #42
Really? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #22
Many of us are able bodied LittleBlue Sep 2014 #58
That is, indeed, my suspucion. Laelth Sep 2014 #173
Good point LittleBlue Sep 2014 #183
A long time poster over on Daily Kos got banned recently over there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #313
I owe you an apology. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #311
I was wondering the same thing. hifiguy Sep 2014 #435
I can't do EQD Scootaloo Sep 2014 #455
The comics are often incredible hifiguy Sep 2014 #457
I see a lot of anger and bitterness in her hidden posts. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #26
i thought you didn't like troll hunting CreekDog Sep 2014 #32
I alerted on a post pintobean Sep 2014 #47
Wow. I disagreed with her on tons of stuff but damn. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #34
What is PPRed? ann--- Sep 2014 #35
Posting Privileges Revoked. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #38
Thank you. ann--- Sep 2014 #39
No worries! Glad I could help. You know we were all new once. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #41
We used to say TSed or "tombstoned," which I liked better. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #466
That is sad... I like Whisp... Ohio Joe Sep 2014 #40
+1000000 nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #48
+1, I'd like to see Whisp back. She added value here, and in the petronius Sep 2014 #150
I don't like to see long time posters PPRed. Puglover Sep 2014 #45
And yet he was here 10 years ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #120
How do you and others know when there is a PPR? n/t MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #46
I am on mirt so I get notifications when anyone is banned. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #49
Ok, thanks. :) But I just checked, and I don't see pintobean listed for MIRT, so... MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #50
That I don't know. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #52
I found out by checking the sock's profile. pintobean Sep 2014 #110
Ah, Ok. I'm always curious about how people know about a PPR so quickly. MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #298
Ahem, I hope Skinner isn't finished. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #106
Why isn't that shared? Owl Sep 2014 #127
Good question. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #133
Well that opens up a space on my jury blacklist. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #51
I thought gravedancing was no longer allowed in GD. JTFrog Sep 2014 #56
I think the OP was just informational leftstreet Sep 2014 #65
He is gravedancing throughout the fucking thread.... JTFrog Sep 2014 #68
No, I don't see it leftstreet Sep 2014 #71
Good thing you aren't a GD host then. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #74
Okay n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #76
Good thing you're not a forum host. pintobean Sep 2014 #79
Nope. JTFrog Sep 2014 #82
You're a failure at it pintobean Sep 2014 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Sep 2014 #91
I just read upthread that that you have been PPR'ed. truedelphi Sep 2014 #508
Links please. I will be waiting. LOL. nt Logical Sep 2014 #172
It didn't happen out loud. pintobean Sep 2014 #232
:-) nt Logical Sep 2014 #252
Thank you. pintobean Sep 2014 #73
I'm not gravedancing. I don't see anyone gravedancing. pintobean Sep 2014 #66
Bullshit. JTFrog Sep 2014 #69
LOL, you need a nap! Calm down there pal! nt Logical Sep 2014 #174
Well, the thread isn't complaining about a banning. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #87
Not disruptive either. JTFrog Sep 2014 #88
You are the one disrupting. pintobean Sep 2014 #94
Pfffff. JTFrog Sep 2014 #96
And you never grave dance, amirite? opiate69 Sep 2014 #235
I would dance on yours if you asked me nicely. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #238
There have been quite a few other threads announcing ppr's in GD. polly7 Sep 2014 #124
Yes, we know who will see it and who doesn't. JTFrog Sep 2014 #126
Alliances! polly7 Sep 2014 #130
A jury left this post, 7-0. X_Digger Sep 2014 #203
Haha I think they've alerted on every post I've made for the last year. polly7 Sep 2014 #212
"They've"? JTFrog Sep 2014 #216
Do I care what you and yours think of me? polly7 Sep 2014 #218
Rest assured, the feeling is quite mutual. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #219
Oh I know...... polly7 Sep 2014 #225
Aww, bless your heart. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #229
unique! lol nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #231
This is hilarious. LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #242
Thanks!!! polly7 Sep 2014 #245
You treat people like that and then laugh about it? BainsBane Sep 2014 #268
But it's HOFers who are so awful. They're the ones ruining DU. kcr Sep 2014 #350
Oh, I can tell BainsBane Sep 2014 #378
You've "dealt" with it. LOL. R B Garr Sep 2014 #239
Yes, I certainly have. polly7 Sep 2014 #243
"And, who exactly are you?" JTFrog Sep 2014 #249
edited. My apologies to DU. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #251
Seriously? JTFrog Sep 2014 #254
I'm quite sure you do!!! It will be worth it, believe me. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #257
And the results... NuclearDem Sep 2014 #264
Polly jumped into my subthread, but I was baitin her. JTFrog Sep 2014 #266
This is how I 'jumped' into 'your' subthread. polly7 Sep 2014 #322
You have some nerve lecturing anyone on the treatment of others. JTFrog Sep 2014 #349
how many f-bombs did you throw at JtFrog CreekDog Sep 2014 #361
The jury spoke, they obviously read the thread and agreed, as I do, that Polly was simply sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #470
I'm a woman too. JTFrog Sep 2014 #471
Nothing justifies what you said to her. She was baited which was obvious to those reading, including sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #472
Unbelievable. JTFrog Sep 2014 #473
Don't take the bait JT UtahLib Sep 2014 #478
Good advice. JTFrog Sep 2014 #482
You came into this thread pintobean Sep 2014 #480
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Sep 2014 #481
no the jury didn't decide that CreekDog Sep 2014 #479
That is an outrageous result BainsBane Sep 2014 #267
Makes you wonder how Juror #6 knew polly had beer. n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #269
it' interesting that somone so opinionated about the posters involved decided to stay out of the bettyellen Sep 2014 #353
As I said, I don't use the alert button, but I do agree to serve on juries now, tblue37 Sep 2014 #276
There is one hidden post in this thread BainsBane Sep 2014 #277
Yes, those comments certainly suggest some real juror bias. tblue37 Sep 2014 #279
Sounds like you are a rigorously fair-minded juror BainsBane Sep 2014 #280
I rarely vote to hide. cwydro Sep 2014 #494
Her friend brought her beer upthread. Juror 6 said polly had beer. R B Garr Sep 2014 #278
I never used the alert button until now. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #293
You're not alone. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #315
Informed jurors. pintobean Sep 2014 #295
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Sep 2014 #316
In what context is that post acceptable? Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #341
You, Pintobean, defended the Doctor at Discussionst BainsBane Sep 2014 #386
Actually it is a very good result. The baiting of other women here has become intolerable and sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #474
Like you are baiting now? JTFrog Sep 2014 #475
Both posters were woman. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #477
Wow, I hope the admins look into who sat on that jury. I've sufrommich Sep 2014 #304
I asked in ATA the following boston bean Sep 2014 #312
That is not a jury failure. It is a jury that actually read the thread and saw the baiting and sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #476
interesting Kali Sep 2014 #485
no wonder Skinner took away the number of times served on juries from profiles CreekDog Sep 2014 #359
Yes, rather convenient. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #360
Transparency is great on DU3 Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #454
Now she's sending me nasty PM's.... JTFrog Sep 2014 #362
polly7's "apology" was not sincere then CreekDog Sep 2014 #445
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #465
Wow, that is a bit OTT, don't you think? I have never used the alert button myself, but tblue37 Sep 2014 #259
You are correct. JTFrog Sep 2014 #272
That hyper-emotionalism works well for her. R B Garr Sep 2014 #275
Awwww .......... hyper-emotionalism. polly7 Sep 2014 #323
For you, and DU in general, yes I will edit that. polly7 Sep 2014 #319
Thank you, Polly. I don't remember ever seeing anything that intemperate tblue37 Sep 2014 #397
You write that sort of thing and have the nerve to accuse other people of bullying? BainsBane Sep 2014 #265
Oh my goodness!!! polly7 Sep 2014 #320
Let's examine the record BainsBane Sep 2014 #325
Try your orders on someone who 'might' actually listen. polly7 Sep 2014 #328
Speaking of nerve Union Scribe Sep 2014 #366
yeah, and she gets to live the tale of people bringing it up incessantly. boston bean Sep 2014 #370
It's unfortunate you so much anger against over Skinner's decision BainsBane Sep 2014 #372
Bye-bye pintobean Sep 2014 #588
Hmph! nt MineralMan Sep 2014 #589
FYI Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #590
Thank you. pintobean Sep 2014 #591
She made a sock to get around the alerting system? I'm speechless! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #548
Might be tempted to do it again pintobean Sep 2014 #549
Any credibility you think you have? Pretty much gone with that post, polly7. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #318
And you look like a condescending gloater ........... gloaters bug the shit out of me. polly7 Sep 2014 #321
Edit: you've edited Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #324
No,answering ignorance in the morning doesn't require anything but coffee. polly7 Sep 2014 #326
You're the one flaming out here. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #330
LMFAO. polly7 Sep 2014 #333
Someone needs a hug!! Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #335
I got mine already. polly7 Sep 2014 #338
I could not disagree more. Polly is one of the most respected people here on DU and always has been. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #551
Excellent post, Sabrina. pintobean Sep 2014 #553
Questions still remain as to why a jury would let that personal attack stand. boston bean Sep 2014 #329
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #334
Oh, so the person deserved it. You got a strange way about things.... boston bean Sep 2014 #336
boston bean you go on andon andonteling people (including me) polly7 Sep 2014 #337
I would like you to point to a post of mine where I have ever ever boston bean Sep 2014 #340
Look back in the original Feminism forum and say that with a straight polly7 Sep 2014 #342
So a post of self deletes, proves what you state? boston bean Sep 2014 #344
Don't worry, you guys got her in the end. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #365
Not sure what that means? boston bean Sep 2014 #369
One could of asked the same about this personal attack to stand 5-2. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #384
This is suppose to prove what?????? boston bean Sep 2014 #387
You know exactly what it proves. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #392
Quit trying to justify polly's nasty personal attack against me. JTFrog Sep 2014 #394
Uh-huh... I mean.. you've been nothing but the absolute picture of class and decorum, right?? opiate69 Sep 2014 #400
Hardly reaches the level of hatred displayed above. JTFrog Sep 2014 #405
Don't you love it when folks are Puglover Sep 2014 #493
That's not at all what I'm doing. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #404
You know, one time someone boston bean Sep 2014 #407
I agree with you! RiffRandell Sep 2014 #488
Admit what? boston bean Sep 2014 #401
I tell you what it proves, Boston, It proves that Riff has no intention whatsoever of Moving On. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #469
Well, the identity of that alerter hifiguy Sep 2014 #438
WOW! Just WOW! William769 Sep 2014 #458
Yes, well the thing about people who go back and delete posts BainsBane Sep 2014 #460
The only truth in your whole post is the first sentence of your paragraph. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #490
She's locked out of the thread pintobean Sep 2014 #496
*snork*!! opiate69 Sep 2014 #497
What's funny is pintobean Sep 2014 #499
Yup yup.... also, opiate69 Sep 2014 #500
There were at least two others. pintobean Sep 2014 #510
Ah.. I stand corrected... The old memory just ain't what she used to be I guess. Getting old sucks opiate69 Sep 2014 #511
Love Tull! Here's another ATA hide pintobean Sep 2014 #513
I definitely remember the name there... (and also, Love Tull!) opiate69 Sep 2014 #517
Fight club? Rex Sep 2014 #512
You counted her posts? Seems kind of obsessive. n/t seaglass Sep 2014 #502
Took a few seconds. pintobean Sep 2014 #503
I did.. 48. Well done opiate69 Sep 2014 #506
That was nearly 10% of the thread. pintobean Sep 2014 #507
Oh no, I assume you're expert at it. n/t seaglass Sep 2014 #516
Yes, I am. pintobean Sep 2014 #522
Are you retired? Or independently wealthy? Any hobbies other than DU? Just curious. n/t seaglass Sep 2014 #533
Really? pintobean Sep 2014 #535
No, didn't even look at your post count. You just seem to know a lot about DUers and I imagine seaglass Sep 2014 #537
It couldn't be a good memory? pintobean Sep 2014 #538
More power to you for a fantastic memory. Agreed if someone is especially mean or lies that they seaglass Sep 2014 #542
No one is required to read it pintobean Sep 2014 #543
And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Sep 2014 #546
That brought tears to my eyes pintobean Sep 2014 #547
"google chrome - edit - find" .. hardly any effort needed opiate69 Sep 2014 #504
She edited first to add a 2nd f-bomb and the word "loser" to the original post CreekDog Sep 2014 #579
Instead of self-deleting your ugly post, you MineralMan Sep 2014 #348
Makes the apology look rather weak doesn't it? JTFrog Sep 2014 #351
This is why I do not like grave-dancing threads MineralMan Sep 2014 #354
There was nothing posted that warranted that reply. JTFrog Sep 2014 #355
I agree. Nothing that warranted such ugliness. MineralMan Sep 2014 #356
I'd like to know which authority it is she thinks people are trying to get her to submit to? BainsBane Sep 2014 #393
She told me in her nastygram DU mail that she has a long memory. JTFrog Sep 2014 #395
Alert on that nastygram BainsBane Sep 2014 #406
She didn't need to do anything if the jury let it stand RiffRandell Sep 2014 #398
OK. What does that have to do with me, though? MineralMan Sep 2014 #399
It has nothing to do with you MineralMan and, I apologize that Riff is trying to drag you into Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #468
Did I or, did I not, apologize to you in HoF and ask for peace and to please Move On? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #467
Oh, I think other people care. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #483
Then please never post this again, no matter your intention - Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #484
Ah, the old Catch-22. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #486
Yes, you dealt me the Catch-22. You really need to protect your source for some pictures and, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #487
No, it's not. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #489
You put it out there. I get to live with it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #492
Dang. cwydro Sep 2014 #495
There was never a threat. RiffRandell Sep 2014 #498
actually, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #528
You once accused me of pintobean Sep 2014 #532
Talking about favors. Thank you, ever so much, for bringing it to our attention about Whisp. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #541
You're always sooooo sweet! pintobean Sep 2014 #544
You are absolutely the Best News Journalist on DU3. You just report the facts! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #545
Strange, I thought you supported self deleting. Was I thinking of someone else? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #550
I do support it, Sabrina, which is why I was surprised MineralMan Sep 2014 #554
Deleting and editing are not the same thing. Deleting means no one can read the OP or post sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #555
And, as I said, I do support the self-delete function. MineralMan Sep 2014 #556
She gave some people what they wanted. pintobean Sep 2014 #561
The best option is ALWAYS self deleting if one is truly remorseful. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #564
+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #565
In YOUR opinion self-delete is the best option. pintobean Sep 2014 #567
Obviously it's my opinion. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #575
Actually, the best option would have been not to post MineralMan Sep 2014 #568
How do you define "some people"? "She gave some people what they wanted." n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #571
Those who wanted it hidden. pintobean Sep 2014 #572
This message was self-deleted by its author R B Garr Sep 2014 #573
It appears there is no need to argue about this any longer as polly7 is not returning seaglass Sep 2014 #574
You missed his point. His point was the she did NOT self-delete and merely edited cui bono Sep 2014 #563
I know exactly what he meant. Thanks anyhow. Yes, there is 'history' as you call it, and it appears sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #585
Okay, from your post it sounded like you misunderstood MM. cui bono Sep 2014 #587
if you're actually sorry, why didn't you say sorry to JTFrog? CreekDog Sep 2014 #439
Now this makes your post #130 in this thread kind of ironic. n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #258
Exactly. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #244
Deep. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #247
LOL BainsBane Sep 2014 #261
Just you. pintobean Sep 2014 #147
Maybe not out loud. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #149
. pintobean Sep 2014 #158
That's why I didn't start one here over JJChambers BainsBane Sep 2014 #286
dancing isn't complaining Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #294
Didn't the recent changes to the SOP specifically prhobit gravedancing? BainsBane Sep 2014 #317
No. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #357
There hasn't been a grave dancing thread since the new SOP BainsBane Sep 2014 #375
Give it a try. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #388
I don't even want to BainsBane Sep 2014 #389
Well, if you're worried about consistency from the hosts Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #416
If this isn't disruptive Meta BainsBane Sep 2014 #417
Hosts and admin seem to have pretty clearly defined the meta disruption as complaining about DU. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #420
Yes, but I think it's a pretty safe bet BainsBane Sep 2014 #423
I'd be perfectly happy if ALL grave dancing was decided to be not fitting the SOP, but Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #426
That would be a tragedy BainsBane Sep 2014 #431
Speaking of grave dancing betsuni Sep 2014 #300
Whisp... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #64
Whisp is a great,outspoken feminist sister. sufrommich Sep 2014 #70
+1! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #72
OICWUDT Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #77
You owe me a new keyboard. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #90
! CreekDog Sep 2014 #233
OP's like this really suck n/t Oilwellian Sep 2014 #80
Why? Now you know. pintobean Sep 2014 #83
So do all the snickering posts of denial that followed. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #95
She'll be missed BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #89
Such A Sensitive Bunch... WillyT Sep 2014 #93
I'd like some consistency on the issue of socks ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #99
It's been consistent since time-outs started. pintobean Sep 2014 #100
Yeah, I realize it was a ways back ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #112
??What is an "alert sock"? nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #255
Here's one pintobean Sep 2014 #297
Only it's factually false BainsBane Sep 2014 #441
Here's the jury results on this post in case you're interested.... Rowdyboy Sep 2014 #451
Thanks BainsBane Sep 2014 #452
Pathetic alert. Makes you wonder if that alerter has beer. n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #459
Don't you know the COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN! boston bean Sep 2014 #101
Not quite. Admin spoke out ........ the terms of TOS were circumvented. polly7 Sep 2014 #108
That's sad. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #109
That blows! Iggo Sep 2014 #114
Socks aren't allowed at DU?... TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #115
Thank you. pintobean Sep 2014 #121
It must take an argumentative person to create a sock to post on their time out. Autumn Sep 2014 #116
creating a sock is not suicide. There is one member currently on time out who has used at least geek tragedy Sep 2014 #160
So, who's in time out and pintobean Sep 2014 #168
let's say when they were relatively new to this world geek tragedy Sep 2014 #170
Good! They were incredibly obnoxious. morningfog Sep 2014 #165
This sock's creator, for example, is still here: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #166
hmmmm... boston bean Sep 2014 #167
certainly seemed to be a quick trigger finger in this case, nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #169
No thanks. nt DURHAM D Sep 2014 #186
Um.... no. cui bono Sep 2014 #566
That was a mirt nuke. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #171
ok, but don't earl and skinner get notice? Seems like the person who created geek tragedy Sep 2014 #177
They did and there was no challenge to the nuke but if it was a sock or not we hrmjustin Sep 2014 #179
pretty obvious that it was a sock. I mean . . . geek tragedy Sep 2014 #181
I reserve the right to be silent. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #187
isnt that the guy who was OMC? boston bean Sep 2014 #190
omc sounds familiar. I think that was recent and there was thought it might be him hrmjustin Sep 2014 #194
Okay, but . . . geek tragedy Sep 2014 #191
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #237
I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #415
That one was nuked by MIRT. Sissyk Sep 2014 #176
how did mirt determine it was a sock. my experience is that mirt boston bean Sep 2014 #178
It was a guess based on writting style and content. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #182
Not sure, but here's what I think. Sissyk Sep 2014 #195
if Skinner didn't do an IP check, that's a problem in this case CreekDog Sep 2014 #371
I don't think that's a problem. Sissyk Sep 2014 #373
Did Elvis head off to the east, or in another direction? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #411
Towards the setting sun. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #412
re: "albeit on yet another posting break." Do you mean that sock was seabeyond's? Electric Monk Sep 2014 #557
seabeyond does not have a sock. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #559
Swing and a miss. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #562
JaydenD was one of the more extreme posters I'd ever come across. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #184
lol joe anyone who you dont agree with seems extreme to you. boston bean Sep 2014 #188
So you're defending her now? AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #189
I actually agree with that post you link to. boston bean Sep 2014 #193
Unbelievable. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #198
it was all your qualifying words. boston bean Sep 2014 #200
Oh, come on now. Really? AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #214
Honestly, Whisp pissed me off half of the time Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #220
Many people had the same reaction to that comment BainsBane Sep 2014 #283
You're welcome. =) AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #292
Darn. Will miss Whisp. TDale313 Sep 2014 #192
Good news. One less NSA apologist. DesMoinesDem Sep 2014 #196
I have trouble understanding why people do this. Sad. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #205
A shame. I liked Whisp. stevenleser Sep 2014 #208
A victim of the alert-stalkers? TransitJohn Sep 2014 #222
Evidently she was a victim. kickitup Sep 2014 #301
According to Skinner "alert-stalking" does not exist. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #302
. Rex Sep 2014 #224
I don't understand everything that is going on here marym625 Sep 2014 #236
This kind of mess happens all the time on DU. cwydro Sep 2014 #505
Thanks for the info marym625 Sep 2014 #536
This message was self-deleted by its author Make7 Sep 2014 #241
bummer flamingdem Sep 2014 #262
I don't think they do that BainsBane Sep 2014 #285
Sad to see her go. Some of her posts were hilarious. nt UtahLib Sep 2014 #281
Whisp has a great sense of humor, UtahLib~ Miss you, Whispy! Cha Sep 2014 #287
If anyone has an email for her BainsBane Sep 2014 #288
I wish I did, BB. It's frustrating when something like this Cha Sep 2014 #296
That's a damn shame. One of my favorite, funniest DUers Number23 Sep 2014 #289
+ infinity stevenleser Sep 2014 #327
I really wasn't big on her Clinton bashing. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #314
This post went downhill very quickly. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #331
Why is this meta post even still going? This OP and what follows is why DU ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #345
It's a sad day when any long-time DUer gets PPRed. MineralMan Sep 2014 #339
Pettiness and childishness from presumed adults. SMH. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #346
Yes. I hate grave-dancing threads. MineralMan Sep 2014 #347
Since they put in the 5 hides rule it takes a lot more to get me to vote hide. redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #352
Another disruptive meta thread BainsBane Sep 2014 #374
Looks like there is a loophole, since this is not technically whining about DU Rex Sep 2014 #391
I took that to mean all grave-dancing threads BainsBane Sep 2014 #408
To the Alerter on this Post JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #409
Naturally that was far more uncivil BainsBane Sep 2014 #410
No problem JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #413
" Someone asked me to alert on that particularly nasty post" opiate69 Sep 2014 #418
How is it fascinating? BainsBane Sep 2014 #421
It's fascinating to me that you just admitted Union Scribe Sep 2014 #425
It's not coordination BainsBane Sep 2014 #427
And they couldn't alert themselves because...? Union Scribe Sep 2014 #429
How would you know what most DUers do? BainsBane Sep 2014 #433
At the risk of getting dragged into something I have neither the interest, nor time, to mess with... opiate69 Sep 2014 #436
Friends or sock accounts BainsBane Sep 2014 #440
... opiate69 Sep 2014 #442
Take it up with Skinner BainsBane Sep 2014 #443
"Another disruptive meta thread"..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #446
participated, yes. BainsBane Sep 2014 #448
LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #449
Believe what? BainsBane Sep 2014 #450
Can we stop this thread and start a second one? Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #402
I did that once in meta and got in a lot of trouble for it. Rex Sep 2014 #419
This is a very long thread about someone I never noticed. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #447
agreed Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #525
Whisp has spunk. I like spunk. AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #456
hugs to Whisp and sheshe ucrdem Sep 2014 #462
Let's campaign for rehabilitation for Whisp and for the return of Prosense flamingdem Sep 2014 #509
Hope it happens. ucrdem Sep 2014 #539
I'm confused as to why some of the posts Whisp made were hidden... PersonNumber503602 Sep 2014 #514
Wow GP6971 Sep 2014 #520
I'm glad we all accept that this is high-minded feminist discourse... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #530
Sorry for the question GP6971 Sep 2014 #521
A second account by the same person pintobean Sep 2014 #523
Many thanks GP6971 Sep 2014 #524
My tribute to Whisp Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #529
I agree totally... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #531
This thread was more dramatic and pointless than an average episode of Home & Away... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #534
The really funny part... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #540
This was a very important service announcement brought to you by the makers of Prell! Rex Sep 2014 #560
The only appropriate reply to this news is: cui bono Sep 2014 #569
Pintobean, don't you think this thread has run its course? How bout a self-delete, morningfog Sep 2014 #570
Hey, at least something is driving traffic around this joint. News/politics certainly Purveyor Sep 2014 #576
Can you believe some people pintobean Sep 2014 #577
I know...right, indeed! No 'sarcasm' tag needed here. eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #581
Point well taken. morningfog Sep 2014 #580
OMG ... are you saying Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #584
It's getting to be like the damned Inquisition around here. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #578
gee CatWoman Sep 2014 #583

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
29. I think being here 10 years and then PPR'd as a troll...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:26 PM
Sep 2014

...is seriously impressive. I personally don't have that kind of attention span.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
30. Well troll can mean anything.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:29 PM
Sep 2014

I would have prefered a more detailed message but I am no ond to judge. On mirt I usually use troll as z banning message.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
37. Totally get it.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
Sep 2014

For some reason it just tickled my funny bone is all -- the idea of trolling for a decade.

As for OH himself -- well, personally, I think 'misogynist asshat' would've been more accurate nomenclature, but whatever.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. I don't get the Admins using the "sock" reason- for that weird rapey poster @ Discussionist, or
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

for OH, if that might be true. It's almost a deliberate slap in the face to women, not acknowledging that being abusive to Duers is a serious issue. Seems to be a blind spot. Or maybe they prefer to keep only the quieter women here. It's creepy.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
226. I think his MO was to deliberately creep out women....
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

and I stay far far away from people who do that in RL. I'm fine keeping my distance from those who get off on shit like that.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
111. It might suck, but rules are for everyone.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:14 PM
Sep 2014

Just because a user might have been PPRed over bad jury decisions, etc, circumventing the system by making a duplicate account is against the rules. It's a bannable offense.

If Skinner had played favorites, then there'd have been another whole can of worms.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
161. Skinner explained that
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:11 PM
Sep 2014

When Dyna said that "there are pretty much only two ways" to get banned...

...he was accurately characterizing what has happened here since the beginning. But we did not ever make a decision that those two ways are "The List" and that no one could ever get banned for any other reason. In a way, it might be more accurate to say that "The List" made itself -- those are the two reasons that keep coming up over and over again. But they are not the only two reasons why anyone will ever get banned from Discussionist. In fact we have already had at least one person in the past who was banned for a completely different reason -- I don't want to go into details or draw attention to it, other than to say that what that person did was similarly vile to what The Doctor did and they got banned for it.

So yes, if he had not created a sockpuppet the content of The Doctor's posts would have been grounds for banning. We certainly don't want Discussionist to be a place where someone can make threatening posts, and then keep coming back to do it over and over again. Fortunately, that has not been a problem so far. If it ever does become a problem, we'll absolutely deal with it.

Rest here and a post above it (#33)
http://www.discussionist.com/10252867#post71

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
217. Ack, the link isn't opening now, but thanks for trying to explain!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:38 PM
Sep 2014

I'll try and go back and make sense of it when my server stalls again tomorrow.
Really never took a shine to discussionist, and not fond of the obseesion they have with Du. So, I am sure I missed a lot.

TBF

(31,922 posts)
303. It's an easy out -
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:49 AM
Sep 2014

I've personally found the admins to be pretty supportive of women but they've decided to turn this forum over to crowd rule. I think it could work in a system in which folks are honest (ie you sign up with your real name) - but in this kind of forum in which trolls/obviously paid posters are a dime a dozen it really is not working well. jmho. I wish they'd go back to moderators on this forum & let Discussionist be their freaky science experiment instead.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
424. and to use that same message for Pipsquawk
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

who signed up on the first Discussionist opened. How could that be a sock to get around alert restrictions? It is confusing. It seems there must have been a mistake, but no explanation has been forthcoming.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
63. I'm guessing there were many alerts on his posts in the past 90 days.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:16 PM
Sep 2014

Guessing, because when they fail we never know the alert happened.

 

PsychoBunny

(86 posts)
119. No, there were no alerts on him ....
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

... in the last 90 days. I suspect he pissed off HOF and they used their influence on skinner.

I also suspect the admins cross reference posts from DI via common IP addresses.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
122. How would you know if any of his posts were alerted?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

Are you an admin?

And HoF's influence on Skinner? Are you fucking kidding me? That has to be the biggest joke I've seen here in a long time. Unbelievable.

 

PsychoBunny

(86 posts)
128. Because he is my grandfather
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:46 PM
Sep 2014

And I am here visiting again. He is the one that told me about DU and tried to get me active on this forum, but I am not really that political. We get on when we visit, but I am too busy at school to spend time here. And after watching this, well ....
He says Bye.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
134. Sad. Say bye back, and wish him all the best.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:51 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know what happened, but it's hard to see anyone who's spent so much time and energy contributing to a site just....gone.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
135. Even he wouldn't know if his posts were alerted unless they were hidden.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

So he isn't telling you the whole truth.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
256. posters do not know if they were alerted on unless the alert ended in a hide or someone notifies
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:35 AM
Sep 2014

them directly that they either alerted or were on a jury. He could have had many alerts which did not end in hides, as any of us can, and never know about them.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
131. If he "pissed off HoF" their influence lies in alerting.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

And AFAIK when an alert fails there is no notification to the poster. BTW, oldhippie's posts pissed off DUers who weren't members of HoF.

And admin has been pretty consistent in saying that they treat the two sites as separate, unrelated entities even when the comparison you suggested would have been warranted.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
136. hof has ZERO frickin influence on skinner.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

That allegation is the most hilarious frickin thing I've heard in a long time.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
223. HOF has less than no influence w/ Admin... and he would never know if anyone alerted on him
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:41 PM
Sep 2014

so it seems he is giving you some pretty bad information. Sad.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
282. Exactly what influence on Skinner would that be?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:20 AM
Sep 2014

If we had that kind of influence, shockingly, it would be used to get a change to the TOS, not settling imaginary petty squabbles with other posters.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
453. Those kind of comments are disrespectful to Skinner
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

and are intended as such. That whole meme is about trying to intimidate him into not enforcing TOS rules against gender bigotry. That whole argument is the daily butter of the misogynist trolls on Discussionist and is beneath this site.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
271. I did a search of his recent posts and saw nothing that would merit a PPR
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:23 AM
Sep 2014

My guess--and it's just a guess--is that he may have been one of the repeat trolls turning up in HOF and threads about women and race. We've had a lot of them lately.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
430. It's the history of feminism group
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:38 PM
Sep 2014

As I said to another poster who asked, it's kind of like socialists with lady parts. Most of the members are somewhere to the left of liberal feminists. Some consider themselves radical feminists, others consider themselves Marxist feminists, and still others will define themselves differently. Liberal feminism is defined as a focus on gradual change through the legislative and legal process. Radical feminism seeks the destruction of patriarchy and gender norms, whereas Marxist feminism sees gender inequality as related to exploitation of capitalism.

Around here, the basic break down seems to fall under people telling HOF feminists that stuff they care about--like rape, domestic violence, cultural images, social reproduction, etc.--doesn't matter. The problem is I have yet to see an issue related to women those people claim does matter. Few had anything to say about the Hobby Lobby decision. If that isn't important, what is?

On the other site, they seem to think HOF members' posting views amounts to bullying and disruption. Liberals, apparently, aren't supposed to be exposed to ideas about misogyny and gender violence. Why, I can't begin to say. Why they can't use trash thread or ignore poster also hasn't been explained to me.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
118. well, I was banned from discussionist
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

For allegedly having a sock, and I did not have a sock at discussionist.

So, I question the accuracy of the tools from here on out.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
139. You keep talking about it.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:54 PM
Sep 2014

We should be able to see it. It sounds like you haven't seen it, but somehow know what it says. What was your user name?

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
142. you guys think youll find something really big over there, huh? it might blow up
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

DU and discussionist too!!!

Pipsquawk was my name, go knock yourself out.

You folks have such suspicious minds.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
156. Who should I believe
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:08 PM
Sep 2014

you or admin? I have seen you make something up before. I would have called you on it, but you've blocked me from your group. Meanwhile, one of your buddies from that group is all over this thread, calling me a liar. Sorry, I'm not feeling very sympathetic.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
159. that account was created on the day duscussionist opened. how can it possibly be true
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:10 PM
Sep 2014

That I created that account to circumvent a suspension I never received. I created the account the first day it opened.

So, you go ahead and believe what you would like, I really don't care.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
363. It's considered bad form...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:49 AM
Sep 2014

...to continue attacking your nemesis once they've been locked out of the thread and can't reply; in this case, for two hours now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025485115#post334

TYY

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
364. I didn't get her locked out... I guess someone should have sent a memo.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:51 AM
Sep 2014

It's also bad form to send Nastygrams via DU Mail.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
367. A memo?...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014

Are you suggesting that you didn't know you were replying to someone who'd had a post hidden at 7:50 this morning?

TYY

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
368. Yes. I'm suggesting I didn't realize she was locked out of the thread after a jury let her post stay
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:59 AM
Sep 2014

I responded about an hour after she posted to me downthread.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
558. talk about bad form ...
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

what do you call it when whole threads are started in a group one is banned from, where the pile on trashing of DUer is allowed to continue for MONTHS on end?

what do you call that?

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
586. I really don't know what you're referring to...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 02:29 AM
Sep 2014

To be clear, I'd call it a dick move. Maybe you could help me with a link...

TYY

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
153. if you think about the banning, you would realize it can't possibly be the truth.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:05 PM
Sep 2014

I signed up at discussions the first day it opened. The banning message is bullshit. I made no other account to get around being banned prior, as the message states, as I am told.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
273. I searched under the two names listen on her PPR message myself
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:37 AM
Sep 2014

and no record turned up for them. Her name there was Pipsquawk. Anyone can look it up and verify for themselves. They need not take her word for it.

Here is what the profile says:


About pipsquawk

Statistics and Information

Account status: Posting privileges revoked
Member since: Tue May 13, 2014, 02:18 PM
Number of posts: 54
Number of posts, last 90 days: 13
Favorite category: Culture, 11 posts in the last 90 days (85% of total posts)
Last post: Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:42 AM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 65% (explain)

Base score: 40
54 total posts: +1
113 days of membership: +11
13 posts in the last 90 days: +13
0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0
TOTAL: 65

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=profile&uid=100084


Wasn't May 13 the day the site opened?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
125. That was a blatant silencing tactic.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:41 PM
Sep 2014

I love the post suggesting that "HoF" has influence over Skinner. Has to be someone really clueless to post that.



nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
291. Don't think I ever saw his "anti-choice" posts, but then again I'm not exactly surprised.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:19 AM
Sep 2014

It fits well enough with his general worldview and attitude.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
163. I've known too many sexist old hippies in my life.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

Men who would be perfect right wingers if not for their granola eating, skinny-dipping, pot smoking, tie dye teeshirt, rock-n-roll lifestyles.

Burning Man hosts swarms of them.

Hah, hah. I win. I live every day like Burning Man and pay no attention at all to Wall Street.

If I die homeless on the streets, not a penny to my name, I still win by owning my own soul.






BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
376. He was PPR'd as a troll
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:32 PM
Sep 2014

which could mean he was creating multiple accounts to troll outside of his regular user name. We have had several return trolls appear in HOF. I have a strong hunch he was one of them. There is nothing in his recent posting history to explain a PPR.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
377. I wish we got more than I trooll response so I have no idea why he was banned.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:34 PM
Sep 2014

Myguess it was the content of his posts.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
379. Can you find a post that would suggest that?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:37 PM
Sep 2014

The worst I could find were his comments to me in my last OP, and nobody is getting PPR'd over that. They weren't that bad anyway.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
380. No I never really read his thread.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

I just assume because if it was a sock issue there wouls be a mention of it in the ppr message.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
381. Oh, I suppose
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:39 PM
Sep 2014

That's a good point. I was thinking multiple suicide trolling missions. Weird, because I did do a search and saw nothing recent.

I wish they would give more info on why long-term members are PPR'd. I didn't like the guy at all. He was repeatedly nasty to me, but still it would be nice to know why he was banned.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
383. That is a good point.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:43 PM
Sep 2014

I just don't know then. I only looked about a week back. There might be something older, but I would have thought that would have been dealt with earlier.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
2. Good DUer
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:02 PM
Sep 2014

But I had to put her on ignore. Not sure what was troubling her so much. We played Diablo III together.

Damn shame.

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
92. Yeah, until I decided the game wasn't as great as Diablo II.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:41 PM
Sep 2014


Too busy doing college homework these days anyways.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
97. Agreed, Neoma!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:45 PM
Sep 2014

It's better now, though. RoS got rid of the auction house and it got better. I have a 70 of 4 characters LOL. And still haven't logged in for months .

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
385. You have to try XCOM's Long War mod.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:52 PM
Sep 2014

It's completely unlike Diablo 3, I know... but what can I say. It's so awesome I must proselytize.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
582. Have you tried Torchlight II?
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:02 PM
Sep 2014

Runic games is basically dead now, but Torchlight II is a decent "what Diablo III should have been" game.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
3. She might as well commited threatening behavior!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:04 PM
Sep 2014

Hopefully, she comes back as someone! I liked her very much. She was a good feminist.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
8. can't she come back as herself , just has to apologize and make donation
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:06 PM
Sep 2014

or whatever someone else did to get back on .

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. I liked Whisp
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:07 PM
Sep 2014

and when I like someone and then have to put them on ignore because they threaten me, uh, you do tend to revise your opinion of a person. I hope she is well, but I'm thinking something must be going on with her that is detrimental.

All the same - I wish her well. I've never been one to grave dance.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
13. I liked her, too.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:09 PM
Sep 2014
Hopefully, she comes back as someone!




I alerted on her sock's hidden posts thinking it was a previously banned troll that likes hof.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
60. What this place needs is fewer feminists.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:13 PM
Sep 2014


because we're the problem, not the posters who scribe misogynistic posts.

Goodbye, Whisp. It's a shame that you committed the most serious TOS offense, that of creating a sock while suspended.

sheshe2

(83,354 posts)
132. Yes, Gormy Cuss...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:49 PM
Sep 2014

It's okay to alert stalk members of HoF. Several that I know of had bogus hides, including Whisp. One of Whisps posts was a comment a very mild one about a racist post a prolific poster made. It had to do with watermellons if I remember correctly. Threaten rape to a member of HoF, yes Doctor got canned from DI, yet is he here on DU too, by another name?

Oh, calling the President a pos is also allowed on DU. So maybe we should just toss TOS, 'cause I sure as hell don't see it being enforced.

I agree with you Gormy Cuss

Whisp!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
197. You're making the same false accusation that Whisp made,
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:47 PM
Sep 2014

that got her post hidden by a 5-2 vote.

I'm not going to alert, and I'm pretty sure that I didn't alert on Whisp's fairy tale either, but I respectfully request that you stick to the facts, even more so when it comes to hurtful accusations of racism.

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #197)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
248. More fibbing, and a terrible false accusation. Lovely.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

Hell, just this afternoon I wrote that the cop who shot Michael Brown should be in jail:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5484540

Is it really so hard to do a search before accusing somebody of stuff?

And the stalking charge is sick. You're accusing me of a felony for writing a post that corrects your mistake.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
390. No one with a lick of sense gives that clique's accusations any weight at all anymore.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:02 PM
Sep 2014

They're constantly hurling insulting accusations based on nothing but the fact that they disagree with you on some point. Disprove it, and they ignore it... then hurl the same accusation all over again.

It's juvenile and tiresome.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. I guess one had better be careful about criticizing Hillary Clinton.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:05 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't look at all the hides, but two were OPs critical of possible candidate Clinton.

Ah well.

Suicide by sock, that's pretty accurate.

Damn.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
105. I read the hides and the two hillary hides were questionable.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:57 PM
Sep 2014

I say that as a Hillwry fan.

The other hides I really didn't pay attention to.

Whisp was polite to me but we didn't really interact.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. Oh, I get that, but the fact remains that some of Whisp's hides were just for criticizing Clinton.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:21 PM
Sep 2014

And I don't think they were good calls.

I think it's fair pre-primaries to criticize the front runner, even to the point of mocking them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025149261

And this one, I really don't agree with the jury: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025108707

The sock issue is, no doubt, the reason for the PPR beyond the mere suspension.

It still serves as a warning, criticize Clinton at your own risk, you never know who's going to alert or be on the jury.


CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
36. "take your chances" because nobody really knows what jury/"community" standards really are
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:35 PM
Sep 2014

they are practically random it seems.

i was hidden for joking about what quinnox would post about the thread someone posted and that was after he was PPR'd, however someone alerted on me and said that I was badmouthing a member of DU, actually what i said was very mild even if he had been a member in good standing, but frankly, i was hidden for saying something milder than the Admins said about him in his profile --they called him a troll.

take your chances because nobody really knows what the standards are or what juries will do.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
81. Someone thought my sig line was disruptive and hateful
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:30 PM
Sep 2014

apparently confusing Fark with another f**k word. Or something.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
491. I got hidden for saying something nice about the Pope
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

We are great examples of silly alerts and jury decisions.

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
107. for once (maybe twice) we agree
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:00 PM
Sep 2014

The jury system is broken. Your posts can be hidden (or not hidden) based on the jury's opinions of you personally and not the content of the post.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
260. I wonder if it would make a difference
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:46 AM
Sep 2014

If the person being alerted on had their name hidden from the post while it was being adjudicated? This way, a jury would have to consider the content of the post and not the history of the poster.

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
299. It might
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:10 AM
Sep 2014

But I think a lot of people also look at the thread for context and it would be easy to determine the poster's identity in subthreads.

I'm sure jury blacklists help but not by a lot.

I think DU should bring back the set of standards they once had on civility instead of leaving the interpretation to a jury. Also, a jury appeals system might be a good idea as well when those standards are ignored in a jury decision.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
270. I'm pretty much a mainstream DFLer (it's a Minnesota thing)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:17 AM
Sep 2014

except I am also an RKBA supporter, as are most Minnesota Democrats. A Democrat cannot get elected in Minnesota who is actively against RKBA.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
246. I often serve on juries--especially in the wee hours of the morning, when fewer people
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:20 AM
Sep 2014

are available to serve on them.

I used to decline the request to serve about as often as I accepted it, because I always take the time to read either the whole thread or, if it is an endless monster thread, at least enough of it to make sure I know what has led to the alerted post. Sometimes I am just too tired or don't really want to spend that much time and energy on jury duty.

But after serving on two juries when it was evident that the poster being alerted on was being alert-stalked over completely innocuous posts, and then seeing how outrageously close the results were to leave the post, even though it should have been a 7-0 decision to leave it alone, I decided that I owed it to those being alert-stalked to serve whenever I was asked, simply to do my part to protect them from unfair hides that could lead to their being suspended for 3 months.

(BTW, one of the unfair alerts I juried for was on a perfectly inoffensive post by nadin, who has been one of the most bullied and alert-stalked people on DU. I am not surprised that she has largely withdrawn from participating in discussions on DU. I don't know her personally, not even in an online kind of way, but I have been on DU for 10 years, and I pay attention. Certain people have been truly awful to her.)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
253. interesting that Skinner has seemed to dispute that there is any alert stalking
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:26 AM
Sep 2014

though I have seen what you see and others have too.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
137. so okay to criticize the Democratic Frontrunner on a Democratic forum?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

you think that is aokay?

Uh if I want to read criticism (to the point of mocking) said front runner.....I could just go over to FreeRepublic! Plenty of Hillary Hatred there....I suggest that is where the so called Dems that want to do that go there and find compatriots!

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
162. This idea of yours ...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

That we Democrats may NOT criticize "The Front Runner" ... Really? ... we are not allowed to say ANYTHING critical of Democrats who lead in some poll? ....

All so you can feel all happy, without infernal criticisms of popular Democrats ? ...

Yeah ... I'll give up my own opinions of Democrats and remain silent so you can feel all self satisfied and full of joy without dissent ...

Yeah .... right ....

Sheeesh ...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
207. this "idea" of mine? Are you a Democrat? Are you committed to voting for whoever can BEAT republican
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:08 PM
Sep 2014

ass? Because I AM! And right now SHE is it.

this IS a Democratic forum with the express mission of electing MORE Democrats.....

so yeah right...sheesh yourself.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
518. But it IS Democratic Underground....AND she IS the front runner AMONG Democrats....
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:44 PM
Sep 2014

She is far ahead in fact

AND much to your dismay....she kicks Republican ass!

But NOOOOOOOO.....you want to do the Republicans job for them....YOU and your friends want to do all the opposition research FOR the Republicans...YOU want to spoon feed them talking points against her!

YOU want to criticize AND influence those that MIGHT consider voting for the first WOMAN they ever had a chance to vote for....Do you not understand that some who would NEVER vote...and some who even vote Republican WILL vote for her.....but YOUUUUU want to cut her with a thousand cuts and influence THOSE people against doing so....

SHE....Hillary Rodham Clinton....is our Ace in the hole.....AND she can WIN!

but YOUUUUUU would rather play the longshot instead!



apparently I am not a big Las Vegas gambler like you are! (especially when it comes to the very lives of my fellow Americans).

and then after doing ALL that.....after you have taken your pound of flesh....YOUUUUUUUUU vote for her any damn way.....the height of hypocrisy!

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
526. So?
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 12:19 AM
Sep 2014

That's incredibly stupid. The primaries haven't started yet. (Need I remind you how "inevitable" Hillary was in 2008? She was the front-runner then, and look how that turned out.)

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
250. Our Democratic president was called a POS, among other insults, without the poster suffering any
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:24 AM
Sep 2014

kind of penalty for doing so. IOW, criticizing Dems, even in over-the-top terms, has not been a punishable offense here, at least not in any consistent way.

(And the POS insult was not even abbreviated, but spelled out in all its glory in that rant.)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
305. Yes.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:08 AM
Sep 2014

Especially if you support other potential candidates than 'the frontrunner', who may not remain the 'frontrunner', or may not even actually 'run'. That's part of the normal political process for determining who the actual candidate eventually will be. It's Republicans who have the 11th commandment about not criticizing other Republicans, and even they break that more than they follow it.

And, btw, the site admins agree, or else they'd change the TOS so that you couldn't talk smack about various candidates (or people who haven't even announced a candidacy, but are perceived as 'the frontrunner' by the people who actually want them to run) and not just limit it AFTER they actually ARE the party candidate.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
396. HA! So now it's not even ok to criticize your favorite candidate *before the primaries*?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

Jesus. That's hilarious.

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
104. um, 'JaydenD' followed people from thread to thread picking fights over Clinton
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:56 PM
Sep 2014

When people are accused of 'hating' someone, it's usually hyperbole. 'JaydenD,' by her words, truly hates Hillary Clinton and made it known

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
113. yeah she didnt like clinton. puts her in a boat with about 75% of du.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:15 PM
Sep 2014

I support Hillary and I liked whisp.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
141. 75% Bullshit!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

I like Clinton and even I say bullshit on that....its definitely a very vocal minority...believe that!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
206. You would be surprised.....many REAL Democrats on DU.....do not like conflict....so they
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:06 PM
Sep 2014

avoid confrontation with them. Hillary is far more popular than some around here would allow anyone to believe.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
263. So if you don't support Hillary then you're not a real Democrat?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:56 AM
Sep 2014

That is ignorant. Hillary hasn't even declared that she's running yet. She is not the only Democrat in this country. In my opinion, some of her actions are very anti-Democratic. If she wins the primary, then I'll support her. But we have a ways to go before then.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
519. did I say that....or are YOU inferring it instead?
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:55 PM
Sep 2014

Ever notice that the Hillary supporters are not busy trashing all the other candidates? But somehow those that claim to not hate Hillary.....have no problem trying to character assassinate HER.

That tells me so much about her opponents.....

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
175. Yes.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:33 PM
Sep 2014

His/her main focus at DU was to trash the Clintons starting in 2007. Whisp constantly bitched about NAFTA (blaming Hillary as much as Bill) for its passage. I always found this more than a little odd given that Whisp claims to be Canadian.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
307. NAFTA hurt every country involved, not just the US.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:13 AM
Sep 2014

'Free Trade' agreements drive down wages for labour and provide incentive to companies to seek 'short cuts' in order to drive down costs. It's sad that to this day, many Democrats actually push 'free trade', when they should be pro-labour.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. And several posts that should have been hidden
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:11 PM
Sep 2014

weren't because Whisp had been around so long.

Like I said, I wish her well, and I hope that whatever is upsetting her improves.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
21. You are probably right
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:21 PM
Sep 2014

It seems DU has become less about liberalism, and more about "D" at whatever the cost.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
16. Reading through her hides, it seems she was targeted.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:16 PM
Sep 2014

Most of them weren't offensive at all, and I see people here everyday say much worse. She got hides for insulting Hillary Clinton? SERIOUSLY? Hillary isn't an elected official. She's NOTHING right now. Edit to add: the jury system is increasingly dysfunctional, IMO.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
25. She would not have been banned if she hadn't done this.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:23 PM
Sep 2014

Created a sockpuppet account to circumvent automatic suspension after getting five posts hidden by Jury (Whisp, JaydenD).
For more information see Terms of Service

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
144. Clinton is NOTHING?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:58 PM
Sep 2014

are you serious? Regardless of how you like it or not...she IS the Democratic frontrunner that is KILLING the Republicans...PLUS they HATE her guts!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
185. Did she declare her candidacy, that I missed?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:40 PM
Sep 2014

Right now, she's a former sec. of state, a former senator, and a former first lady. She's not a Dem officeholder or cabinet member, she's just a private citizen on a book tour, and she hasn't been through a primary yet.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
210. "Frontrunner" is a meaningless designation, she hasn't declared her candidacy and the
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:22 PM
Sep 2014

primary season hasn't started. She's won as many primaries right now as Martin O'Malley and Wile E. Coyote.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
215. not when you have poll after poll that puts you not only AHEAD....but AHEAD of any Republican
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

contender....


and denial is not a river in Egypt.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
308. Constantly.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:17 AM
Sep 2014

The commenter really needs to start his/her own site sho he/she can ban everyone who disagrees with his/her worldview.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
42. Yes LittleBlue...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:46 PM
Sep 2014

It seems the party and DU have sold out.

It seems, money does trump values. I'm surprised to see how far people will sink for their own self interest. I cannot and will not ever go there.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Really?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:21 PM
Sep 2014

What is so presing that someone needs to come up with socks to evade five-post vacations? I've had a few myself, and you know what i do?

I practice my photoshop. I play WoW. I go to the library. i head down to the beach. I organize a pathfinder game with some friends, online or off. I go out and snag some mussels to cook. i get some writing done. I sit back and watch a movie... I... i...

...wow...

when I can't post on DU, I actually have a life.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
58. Many of us are able bodied
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:09 PM
Sep 2014

I sometimes catch myself saying the same things. But that's because I'm still relatively young, healthy and able. My other half is in good health too.

Some of these folks aren't as fortunate. Maybe DU is their release from unlucky circumstances.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
173. That is, indeed, my suspucion.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:29 PM
Sep 2014

In addition, I suspect many regular posters here are in nearly-constant physical pain. That tends to make people cranky.

-Laelth

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
313. A long time poster over on Daily Kos got banned recently over there
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:26 AM
Sep 2014

and I think he illustrates what you're talking about. A lot of folks out there are marginalized in society and probably only mostly have any contact with the outside world through things like blogs. In pain, whether physical or mental or both, and they lash out at people they shouldn't, and so we respond by kicking them out, and further marginalize them. It's not a good solution, but neither is simply allowing them to abuse others in their pain. I think we need to further destigmatize mental health issues and make getting help from professionals a lot easier, so that people are both willing to, and able to, seek professional help when they're finding themselves lashing out simply to vent their emotions.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
311. I owe you an apology.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:21 AM
Sep 2014

I think I caused your last vacation. Your fifth hide the last time, iirc, was the first jury I'd served on, and I didn't understand at the time that the phrase about 'rude, over the top, etc' wasn't actually taken seriously on DU, and that most people don't actually hide for simple rudeness. So I'm glad, at least, that you got something useful done while you were away.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
435. I was wondering the same thing.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

I just fell away from DU for a year-plus. No drama, no GBCW, no hides or time-outs other than a self-imposed one because I couldn't deal rationally any longer with some of the poisonous BS I was seeing on a daily basis. After some time away, which I spent largely on my favorite pro football and pro wrestling boards and on Equestria Daily, a month or so ago I felt recharged and came back to DU.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
455. I can't do EQD
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:24 PM
Sep 2014

In fact the whole Brony community is a little off-putting to me. I like the show (and side products - the IDW comics are fucking great) but... Uhm.. .I can only hear so much bad dubstep with Pinkie Pie songs as the base, can only see so many knit Derpy beanies, and my god, are they REALLY arguing over whether Maude has aspergers?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
457. The comics are often incredible
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

especially the Katie Cook/Andy Price stuff. They are just the perfect team for what they do, like Lee/Kirby, O'Neal/Adams, or Claremont/Byrne were back in the day. I get advance copies as one of my oldest friends is IDW's VP for Sales.

I pick and choose the stuff I read over there. That site skews pretty young and silly sometimes. I just sort of hang around to check out the arts and crafts and comment - as the oldest brony in captivity - about things I find interesting.

I've seen dumber arguments on DU than on EqD, though, and that is kind of weird, to say the least.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
26. I see a lot of anger and bitterness in her hidden posts.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:23 PM
Sep 2014

I know many here aren't all that enthusiastic about Hillary, but she took it to another level.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
47. I alerted on a post
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:59 PM
Sep 2014

and it got hidden. I didn't hunt anything, but I have nothing against using the alert system as it's designed. The public personal attacks and harassment are what I don't like.

But, you knew that.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
34. Wow. I disagreed with her on tons of stuff but damn.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:33 PM
Sep 2014

Considering all of the bigots that roam free here, this seems like an unequal response, imo. (And yes, I get the sock issue.)

Ohio Joe

(21,656 posts)
40. That is sad... I like Whisp...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

Whisp, if you see this, I suggest you write the admins and apologize for creating the sock and promise not to do it again (and don't)... You are a good egg and I think they will consider it if you are sincere. Don't make excuses... Just say you are sorry and mean it. DU can get under people skin and sometimes you have to cool off but... I prefer DU with you as a member and would prefer you came back.

Regardless, I wish nothing but the best for Whisp.

petronius

(26,581 posts)
150. +1, I'd like to see Whisp back. She added value here, and in the
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

grand scheme of it all a sockpuppet is not going to destroy the site, or kill us in our sleep...

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
45. I don't like to see long time posters PPRed.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:54 PM
Sep 2014

That said; she'll be back. These days a PPR is simply a loss of your original user name, start date and post count.

Skinner himself said "Let them be if they're behaving."

OldHippie was just a garden variety troll.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
120. And yet he was here 10 years
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:33 PM
Sep 2014

One person's garden variety troll is another's "Oh they're just eccentric and a little grumpy! I agree with most everything they say though, so let 'em stay!"

We've seen that with some other people who got banned after their rudeness and nonsense had hit the breaking point for 90% of the community. Unreal defenses of them too.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
110. I found out by checking the sock's profile.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:08 PM
Sep 2014

I had no idea it was Whisp's sock. I thought it was a troll that had been banned multiple times.

MerryBlooms

(11,728 posts)
298. Ah, Ok. I'm always curious about how people know about a PPR so quickly.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:41 AM
Sep 2014

It would be nice to see weekly list.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
133. Good question.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:50 PM
Sep 2014

I think because most of the notifications are for 1 or 2 post trolls and there is no need for everyone to see that.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
56. I thought gravedancing was no longer allowed in GD.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:08 PM
Sep 2014

Or are you still getting special treatment?

DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
79. Good thing you're not a forum host.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:28 PM
Sep 2014

Oh, no, you can't be. Your hidden posts disqualify you. Were they for calling people liars?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
82. Nope.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:31 PM
Sep 2014

It's may not be obvious to everyone here, but anyone who knows your history knows you more than likely started this OP to fan some flames and perhaps thought you could get a hide or two against some of those who really valued Whisp here.

I don't need to be a forum host to see it.


Response to pintobean (Reply #84)

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
508. I just read upthread that that you have been PPR'ed.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:46 PM
Sep 2014

Guess you don't care enough to obey, or something.

Anyway, glad you' re here.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
66. I'm not gravedancing. I don't see anyone gravedancing.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:19 PM
Sep 2014

I liked Whisp. The OP is just informing the community about the PPR.

I get special treatment? Someone should have told me sooner.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
69. Bullshit.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:21 PM
Sep 2014

Massive bullshit. You are dancing your little heart out and taking swipes at HoF.

How can you possibly think no one notices?

Rather pitiful.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
235. And you never grave dance, amirite?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:06 AM
Sep 2014
Star Member JTFrog
296. Oh for fuck's sake.
He was most definitely the offending party. That's why the troll isn't here anymore. He was a racist, sexist, bigoted asshole who abused his hosting privileges and went off the deep end baring his ass in the process.

Good riddance.

In my opinion, apologists who insist we ignore the trolls instead of letting them have their way, contribute greatly to the suckage. It does nothing more than deflect the responsibility of the troll for his behavior onto those they have offended. FUCK. THAT. NOISE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025216329

polly7

(20,582 posts)
124. There have been quite a few other threads announcing ppr's in GD.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014

I don't see pintobean as gravedancing at all.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
130. Alliances!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:47 PM
Sep 2014

Everything's a big conspiracy theory. No-one can be right but JTFrog. Except when you're wrong, like the other night stalking with your bullcrap. Here's a hint - sometimes comments are just that .... but when you have an obvious bias against a whole group of people as you seem to, everything's some horrible attempt to - something or other......

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
203. A jury left this post, 7-0.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:00 PM
Sep 2014

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, what a downright nasty post. OTT with the insults here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:09 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh ffs.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is borderline,but not enough for me to Hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This doesn't rise to the level of hide. This is just a back-and-forth. If everyone of those on DU were hidden, the entire lot of us would be taking some time off.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

I was juror #3.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
212. Haha I think they've alerted on every post I've made for the last year.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:24 PM
Sep 2014

Thanks for your comment ....... short and sweet.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
216. "They've"?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:27 PM
Sep 2014

Well I didn't alert on your nasty hypocritical post. Though I'm not surprised that your posts are often alerted on.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
218. Do I care what you and yours think of me?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:38 PM
Sep 2014

That would be a big NO. I laugh over it. But I'd look at your own posts before calling anyone else a hypocrite. Seriously.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
225. Oh I know......
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

I've dealt with the ugliness for so long now it doesn't even register anymore as anything but frustrated, illogical hatred for not bowing down to authority - and I certainly don't DON'T bow to authority or bullying well,I admit to that. So keep trying, not that it will do you any good.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
350. But it's HOFers who are so awful. They're the ones ruining DU.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:40 AM
Sep 2014

Not these sweet individuals. Aren't they just so nice? The nicest people you'll ever meet.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
378. Oh, I can tell
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

Just the sweetest personalities. As I was told the other day, posting about misogyny is so much worse than abusing people or making rape threats. The real crime is questioning male privilege. Anything and everything is justified to defend against critiques of patriarchy.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
239. You've "dealt" with it. LOL.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:11 AM
Sep 2014

You go out of your way to involve yourself. Maybe try to keep things in context and your life will be so much easier. "Bowing to authority." LMAO.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
243. Yes, I certainly have.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:16 AM
Sep 2014

Don't read much here, do you - or is it just selective.

You know what you can do with your 'advice' lol.

'Bowing to authority' is a biggie around here, don't you know?-but then I believe you belong to the club,so I imagine you support it.

And, who exactly are you? Don't think we've actually met - some kind of stalker for your pals??

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
249. "And, who exactly are you?"
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

Well just looking at profiles, obviously someone much more civil than you. I know, I know... you didn't deserve them. I'll spare you that line in advance.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
254. Seriously?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:32 AM
Sep 2014

Here is a screenshot of your post. I hope it gets hidden.



(note to jury: this screenshot is for posterity)

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
264. And the results...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:56 AM
Sep 2014

On Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why don't you go fuck yourself, you slimy, ignorant pig?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Says "go fuck yourself" OTT personal insult.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thread is juvenile name calling and finger pointing and grave dancing. Grow up, people.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Most of the posts in this thread are attacks. Heck with it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Poster really needs to calm down.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Polly has beer. Siding with her. Froggie ain't gone a courtin'. He's just baiting her. He could have left the thread any time but he wants to play. So he got told off. Good for Polly.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely not to someone who has been far, FAR over the top in viciousness already. Alert went to the wrong person.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

------

I was #4.

Polly's really tempting fate here.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
266. Polly jumped into my subthread, but I was baitin her.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:03 AM
Sep 2014

The stupid, it burns.

So glad there aren't any biases at play here.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
349. You have some nerve lecturing anyone on the treatment of others.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:33 AM
Sep 2014

Nothing I said to you warranted your disgusting attack. Nothing.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
361. how many f-bombs did you throw at JtFrog
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
Sep 2014

and if what you posted wasn't so bad, why did you apologize?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
470. The jury spoke, they obviously read the thread and agreed, as I do, that Polly was simply
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

exasperated by the nastiness directed towards her. It is shameful really to see a woman being treated this way here simply for have some differences of opinion with a few people here.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
471. I'm a woman too.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:39 AM
Sep 2014

And yes, it is shameful the way she treated me. Nothing I said in any post ever in my history of DU justifies what she said to me. I do not appreciate you suggesting otherwise.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
472. Nothing justifies what you said to her. She was baited which was obvious to those reading, including
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:48 AM
Sep 2014

the jury.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
478. Don't take the bait JT
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:17 AM
Sep 2014

As distasteful as I find this entire freaking OP, I can no longer refrain from posting in this thread. The people attempting to excuse, defend or justify the vile comments made to you are left with zero credibility when attempting to condemn the actions of anyone else on this board. The hypocrisy is blinding.

Response to pintobean (Reply #480)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
479. no the jury didn't decide that
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:29 AM
Sep 2014

stop rationalizing.

the jury left a post that should have been hidden, period.

that was so over the line and so far beyond the questioning that preceded it, it has made a mockery of the jury system.

that didn't get hidden and my post joking that certain words would be added to quinnox's auto trash list (and i posted that AFTER he was PPR'd) --my post was hidden because the alerter said I was badmouthing a DU member.

juries can work, but the Admins seem to think they will work without their involvement or adjustment of the system and participation. the main change the admins have made to the jury system lately is to hide the number of times people have served, to hide from people how many times a banned troll has served on a jury.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
269. Makes you wonder how Juror #6 knew polly had beer. n/t
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:11 AM
Sep 2014

edit: now I see who brought beer for polly as a celebration up thread.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
353. it' interesting that somone so opinionated about the posters involved decided to stay out of the
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:50 AM
Sep 2014

thread completely. Actually quite a few people, who admitted they have bias when they voted, opted to wait until the inevitable alert came out of all that nastiness. Or else they would have been shut out of serving on juries when there aren't many around. I've seen similar after 1 am. Interesting group of jurors.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
276. As I said, I don't use the alert button, but I do agree to serve on juries now,
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:50 AM
Sep 2014

after having seen a couple of DU members unjustly alert-stalked.

But even though I am generally in favor of pretty vigorous verbal interaction, I certainly would have voted to hide if I had been on that jury.

BTW, she didn't just say, as the alerter mentioned, to "go f*** yourself" to JTFrog. She also called her a "slimy ignorant pig."That sort of name-calling is not supposed to be allowed to stand.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
277. There is one hidden post in this thread
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:53 AM
Sep 2014

That doesn't approach that level of incivility. It almost appears like it is about who one attacks and who does the attacking more than content. Some of those juror comments are absurd. The wrong person was alerted on? Truly bizarre.

But I'm sure the OP will have a word with her because he has said on several occasions he cares deeply about how people treat DUers.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
279. Yes, those comments certainly suggest some real juror bias.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:00 AM
Sep 2014

I don't know either of the posters, but I was appalled at the name-calling in that post, and I think it should have been hidden.

But seeing that sort of extreme juror bias, clearly based on prejudice against the person attacked (and explicitly expressed in juror comments), is precisely why I now accept every request to serve on juries.

I tend to lean toward leaving posts alone if they are just a matter of vigorous disagreement, especially because I do think that many alerts are ridiculous attempts to silence someone just for disagreeing with the alerter.

But a post like this one is the sort that I would always vote to hide. Nasty name-calling makes DU suck.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
280. Sounds like you are a rigorously fair-minded juror
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:03 AM
Sep 2014

which is the only way to maintain a civil website.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
494. I rarely vote to hide.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 02:56 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know either of those two posters very well, but there was definitely baiting on Frog's part.

However, I would have voted to hide because we should be better than that, and I try to be consistent.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
278. Her friend brought her beer upthread. Juror 6 said polly had beer.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:57 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe those two things/people are connected. Anyway, this is proof that some juries are more about personalities than actual content.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
293. I never used the alert button until now.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:31 AM
Sep 2014

As best I can recall, this was my first alert ever. What an anticlimax to be told that someone else had already alerted -- and, worse, that the post had stood.

My alert (I'm still miffed so I want someone to read it) was: "The discussion has been pretty much worthless (on both sides) for the last few posts, but even allowing for that context, this post represents a sharp and unwarranted escalation in the personal attacks."

Apparently the "Leave it alone" voters were influenced by that context. It's a valid consideration to some extent, but here I think it was clearly outweighed by your point that this was the sort of name-calling that's not supposed to be allowed to stand.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
315. You're not alone.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:36 AM
Sep 2014

That was one of the worst comments I've seen in terms of 'over the top rudeness' on site, and I'm appalled that it wasn't hidden. To proclaim anything else that had been said by anyone in this entire side even approached that level of ugliness or that it was all just 'back and forth' is shocking.

Response to pintobean (Reply #295)

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
341. In what context is that post acceptable?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014

Answer: none. Calling someone a slimy pig is a flat out rude personal attack, and that's a tiny fraction of the content.


(n.b. polly7 has apologized for it, but that doesn't explain the jurors letting it stand.)

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
386. You, Pintobean, defended the Doctor at Discussionst
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:00 AM - Edit history (4)

When I confronted him on being Vashta Neranda, you attacked me for doing so.

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13853
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13961
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13981
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=13991

It turns out not only was I right, but that the guy was an online predator. Did you, like others at Discussionsit, know who he was from DU? Did you also know his identify before Vashta?

I really don't think you are in a position to hold yourself out as a judge of character. Or perhaps you are. Perhaps you knew exactly what he was and that is why you defended him. You certainly never bothered to apologize to me for being wrong or for working so hard to prevent him from being exposed. Why is that? And why do you continue to attack the women he threatened? Why is it that you always manage to ally yourselves with those most hostile to women and people of color, no matter how abusive their behavior?

Knowing that Polly insulted somewhere here: "fuck yourself you slimy ignorant pig," you defended her. She then FOR A THIRD TIME racked up five hides and was put on forced leave. She then circumvented the software restrictions to insult women on DU, just as the Doctor had done. Then she sent a series of abusive PMs to a MIRT member who was concerned that she was out of control. Knowing all that, you not only insisted she had just cause for her actions, you yourself continue to attack the very people she has stalked and insulted. It is not enough that in a single week we have been threatened with sexual violence, insulted as "not real women," and repeatedly stalked by misogynist and racist trolls. That isn't enough punishment for you. You instead insist "that group" attacks people. No one in that group makes rape or death threats or alters their profiles to insult other women.

You have instead chosen to stand with people who threatened, stalk, and harass DUers and even double-down on those insults by continuing to attack the targets of their rage. You choose to defend the worst behavior and the worst offenders because that is who YOU are.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
474. Actually it is a very good result. The baiting of other women here has become intolerable and
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:51 AM
Sep 2014

DUers are tired of watching it and that is reflected in that jury decision.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
304. Wow, I hope the admins look into who sat on that jury. I've
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sep 2014

never seen a personal insult like that survive a jury.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
312. I asked in ATA the following
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:23 AM
Sep 2014

I just want to point it out to you, and see if you have a response. It's one of the more blatant examples... but it's not the only one.

If no one shows you this stuff, maybe you can say you never saw it. So, I'm posting this here for you.



And a jury 5-2 saw no reason to hide:

On Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why don't you go fuck yourself, you slimy, ignorant pig?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Says "go fuck yourself" OTT personal insult.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thread is juvenile name calling and finger pointing and grave dancing. Grow up, people.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Most of the posts in this thread are attacks. Heck with it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Poster really needs to calm down.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Polly has beer. Siding with her. Froggie ain't gone a courtin'. He's just baiting her. He could have left the thread any time but he wants to play. So he got told off. Good for Polly.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely not to someone who has been far, FAR over the top in viciousness already. Alert went to the wrong person.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I didn't serve on the jury, I got the results from the thread the post was made. Someone else posted.

Here is the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479

This is obviously a case of jury failure, right? Why do you think this wasn't hidden?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
476. That is not a jury failure. It is a jury that actually read the thread and saw the baiting and
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:58 AM
Sep 2014

nastiness against polly. Maybe those who are responsible for most of the dissension on this forum will take a lesson from that and realize that the community has had enough.

Whining to the admins when the jury doesn't go your way is silly. We all have had jury decisions that we didn't like, most of us let it go.

Or deal with it ourselves.

Kali

(54,990 posts)
485. interesting
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 10:48 AM
Sep 2014

don't you tend to be a voice of dissent pretty often yourself?

so, a jury leaving an entirely rude, name-calling, non-producutive, EPITOME of uncivil discourse is OK with you because you imagine that "they" did it first?

how mature.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
359. no wonder Skinner took away the number of times served on juries from profiles
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:39 AM
Sep 2014

because before we could see how many times a troll had served on a jury.

and now we're supposed to believe the jury system is better because we don't have that number anymore.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
362. Now she's sending me nasty PM's....
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014
polly7
I know you're aware I can't respond to your stalking drivel on that thread.
Mail Message
Keep it up though, you're revealing far more about yourself than you realize. And it's just more of the same bullying, dirty tactics and 'pooooor me!' bullshit you excel at. LMAO. No worries, my memory is long.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
445. polly7's "apology" was not sincere then
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:14 PM
Sep 2014

if they posted that they apologize while sending you that message.

does not fly.

Response to CreekDog (Reply #445)

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
259. Wow, that is a bit OTT, don't you think? I have never used the alert button myself, but
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:44 AM
Sep 2014

I am surprised that no one has alerted on that post. Maybe you should edit it before someone comes along and does so.

*BTW, I don't actually know whether JTFrog is a man or woman, but somehow I have always assumed female. Are you sure s/he is a man?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
272. You are correct.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:35 AM
Sep 2014

I don't like listing it in my profile any longer, but yes I am female. I may not be the nicest person in the world, but I have never posted anything near as offensive as that message.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
275. That hyper-emotionalism works well for her.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:44 AM
Sep 2014

She has that down pat.

And you are perfectly nice! I've always liked your posts.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
323. Awwww .......... hyper-emotionalism.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:32 AM
Sep 2014

How quaint, did you miss all your friend's 'hyper-emotionalism' up above? Just a wee bit selective, are you? Don't judge those you don't know....... you're probably always wrong.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
319. For you, and DU in general, yes I will edit that.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

I've been frustrated with a (re)broken foot- this time the ankle, waiting on surgery if the x-rays aren't good tomorrow, and hand, and had to sit on my ass all week doing nothing but thinking of how much they hurt and taking painkillers. No excuse, I know....but I am sorry for the vulgar language.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
397. Thank you, Polly. I don't remember ever seeing anything that intemperate
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:19 PM
Sep 2014

from you before (and I do tend to notice such things), and that post kind of freaked me out.

I have seen that both you and JTFrog do get into fairly intense discussions with various people from time to time, and as I have said in other posts on this thread, when I serve on a jury, my inclination is to leave posts alone if they are just vigorous, even heated, arguments, since this is, after all, a *discussion* board, not an echo chamber. I get annoyed with the way some people alert on posts just because they disagree with them--and sometimes just because they dislike the poster. I have also seen obvious cases of alert-stalking, and that disgusts me.

I must also admit that I was appalled that some of the jurors on that post were obviously voting on the basis of animosity against JTFrog, not on the appropriateness of the post. I don't know either of you personally, not even in the online sense of "personally," but I think each post should be judged on its merits, not on the matter of who made the post or whom he/she was responding to.

I don't ever alert on a post myself, although I *can* imagine some types of posts that would provoke me to do so (for example, the repulsive rape threats some women are subjected to). But I did think that your post crossed a line, and though I would not have alerted on it myself, I would have voted to hide if I had been on the jury (which I was not), even though I hate to see long time members accumulating hides that could get them suspended.

I suffer from fairly severe chronic pain of several types, so I certainly understand how pain can set you on edge. After so many years I have adjusted to my pain, but if something happens to spike it significantly, it can make me feel as though I could chew nails and spit carpet tacks. I am quite mild-mannered normally, but I would not want to be someone who crossed me when I am like that. They would not escape the encounter unscathed!

I hope you heal fast. Keep in mind that our bodies' healing process operates largely during sleep. That angry interchange last night actually occurred in the wee-ugly hours of the morning, so you were undoubtedly exhausted as well as in pain. I know pain can make it hard to sleep, but you *need* to sleep in order to facilitate healing.

Take care of yourself, get well, and remember--this is just a message board, and the people on it are not really all that important in your life.

ON EDIT: BTW, JTFrog is a woman. She confirmed my assumption last night after I posted it.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
265. You write that sort of thing and have the nerve to accuse other people of bullying?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:02 AM
Sep 2014

Very few, very, very few people on this site would write something so hateful.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
320. Oh my goodness!!!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:22 AM
Sep 2014

From someone who made a sock and used both of 'you' to 'educate' me on the horrors of FEMEN and gotten away with it,do you really think this is the right thread to claim moral superiority about anything at all?

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
325. Let's examine the record
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

Let's revisit "lecturing you about the horrors of femen," shall we? (at least you didn't say FEMA this time).

3. I guess you missed the point about imperial feminism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2605208

Hardly "a lecture" or a comment about "horrors." It was rather a comment pointing out the substance of the article.

Now let's look at the original version of the comment in this thread that led to your proclamation of moral superiority over me.

You address someone you know to be a woman in the following manner:
251. Why don't you go fuck yourself, you slimy, ignorant pig?

Big tough man, bullying on the internet!!!!

I hope you realize just how sickening and pathetic you come across ....fucking loser.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5486479#edits

If you really mean to apologize, do so to the person you actually insulted. An early morning edit and apology to "DU' may not come off as entirely sincere when you respond to a post expressing shock at your comments by making yet more personal attacks.

Additionally, a poster you have recently said is among your favorite was caught with a sock quite recently, not a year and a half ago, but naturally that doesn't bother you as much as the audacity of women expressing views you disagree with. Now that is truly a horror.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
328. Try your orders on someone who 'might' actually listen.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:40 AM
Sep 2014

They just make me laugh.

I guess you missed the point in TOS about socks.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
366. Speaking of nerve
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:56 AM
Sep 2014

one would think that having somehow survived getting caught making a sock to circumvent DU rules you'd put aside your love of meta and sit this particular thread out! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302058&sub=trans

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
370. yeah, and she gets to live the tale of people bringing it up incessantly.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:30 PM
Sep 2014

you know, sort of like the bullying others are saying is happening to them.

Admin let her stay, you have a problem with that, bring it up with them. I try to give admin here my opinion often, most times (always) I'm ignored. LOL. Maybe you will have better luck.

Maybe you ought to give it a shot about this particular case you find such nerve in someone providing an opinion about.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
372. It's unfortunate you so much anger against over Skinner's decision
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:15 PM
Sep 2014

not to PPR me. I suggest you take the issue up with him. That you invoke something from a year and a half ago to justify another member's egregiously abusive insults toward someone else is all about your character, not mine.

There have been thousands of socks since then, a number of whom are still active members, including a poster your friend here declared her favorite poster. It's obvious this is about the fact my posting about issues that don't pass your approval. Resorting to personal attacks because you can't handle differences of opinion is weak.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
590. FYI
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:34 PM
Sep 2014

On Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bye-bye
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5509368

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Pintobean is running from post to post, thread to thread and even board to board getting a chuckle taunting women that are being kicked off the board over frivolous alerts. He is constantly alerting on feminists posts, women he has had issue with for a while. Then, when there is eventually a hide and both Seabeyond and BainesBain kicked off, he taunts them in posts.

http://www.discussionist.com/101641153#post43

This is only an example of his actions the last couple weeks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:31 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: pintobean often deserves to be hid, and this is no different. Hide this shit.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I will only make a decision on the post alerted on, not on his/her entire posting history.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If anyone wants to see a frivolous alert, it's this one. Juries are called on to adjudicate a POST, not some nonsensical history, real or imagined. Besides, Alerters names aren't published so how does this Alerter know that "He is constantly alerting . . . " so this us an accusation that cannot possibly be proved. THIS POST does not violate TOS. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If they were frivolous, they would not be kicked off the board.


Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If OP has been doing what is alleged, (s)he should join the Republican party. Would fit right in.

I was juror #4

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
591. Thank you.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014

It looks like I've lost a friend and gained an alert stalker. You are correct, Le Taz Hot, the alerter doesn't know. I was not the alerter of any of BB's, or sea's, hidden posts that are currently showing on their exposed transparency pages.

It seems that if these members are racking up hidden posts, the time-outs they get give DU just a little more peace.

It amazes me that 3 jurors can vote to hide a post, that just says bye-bye to someone who wrote their epitaph in their profile today, based on obvious bs from the alerter.

I myself have one hidden post in the last 90 days, and I've never had more than two at one time.

Again, thanks. It sucks getting this huge thread to load, and I appreciate you taking the time.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
549. Might be tempted to do it again
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:08 PM
Sep 2014

right about now. Some jury results were just posted down-thread. I'm still laughing.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
318. Any credibility you think you have? Pretty much gone with that post, polly7.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:13 AM
Sep 2014

You survived a jury, but any morsel of decency you might have remaining should tell you the right thing to do. Feeling a grudge doesn't mean you get to act like a sociopath anytime you want. It just looks like the person ranting on the back of a bus.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
321. And you look like a condescending gloater ........... gloaters bug the shit out of me.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:24 AM
Sep 2014

Sociopath? Check out a mirror and get back to me.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
326. No,answering ignorance in the morning doesn't require anything but coffee.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

Are you a morning drinker by any chance? I rarely drink except out with friends every few weeks or so, so maybe you can tell me how it helps to drink in the am. BTW..... accusing people of drinking just for responding to your nastiness is pretty weak stuff on a message board.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
330. You're the one flaming out here.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:41 AM
Sep 2014
It was either that or some kind of borderline personality disorder. If you are suffering from something, I'd suggest not working it out on DU, for your sake. That's advice, not condescension.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
333. LMFAO.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:46 AM
Sep 2014

Hilarious!!!!!

Are you some kind of physic psychologist, or just someone who likes to 'play around with' mental illness. Sorry, none of those things apply, and I 'suggest'you worry about your own emotional/mental health. Heal thyself - just advice.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
338. I got mine already.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:02 AM
Sep 2014

'Someone' needs to stop accusing people of being drinkers and mentally ill for replying to their complete bullshit.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
551. I could not disagree more. Polly is one of the most respected people here on DU and always has been.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:44 PM
Sep 2014

Perhaps that is why the jury voted as it did. Decency defines her, perhaps YOU don't know her, but those of us who do have been horrified by the attacks she has been subjected to here, especially considering her own history regarding women's issues, issues those very same people claim to care so much about.

Perhaps you are seeing a community finally having had enough.

That appears to be what is happening. I think there are so many here who owe Polly an apology, a woman who has been through so much herself, who, rather than become a victim, has spent HER life helping other victims. I think it would help if you were get to know her better to understand why she reacted as she did, and why many of us, who have taken the trouble, completely understood. Actually from what I know about you, I think you would understand Starry Messenger. I do respect you so am merely trying to say that I think perhaps you are not aware of things that are very relevant to what is going on here.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
553. Excellent post, Sabrina.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:35 AM
Sep 2014

She is one of the strongest women I have ever known. She is being swarmed after a recent death in her family and some serious physical injuries. Empathy and compassion are seriously lacking in some people.

http://jackbrummet.blogspot.com/2009/10/poem-torches-pitchforks.html

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
329. Questions still remain as to why a jury would let that personal attack stand.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:41 AM
Sep 2014

I've asked in ATA.

We shall see if it is answered.

You would agree, it probably should have been hidden?

Response to boston bean (Reply #329)

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
336. Oh, so the person deserved it. You got a strange way about things....
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:55 AM
Sep 2014

How about you just try to move on from this. Your behavior here was everything you claim to despise.

That's the truth of the matter, and the case you think you are making is falling flat. Losing more credibility with each posting.

I tried to move on with you, quite sincerely, and was outright rejected. I can accept that. Your actions have become the same exact as what you say was done to you. You have no superior standing. You are what you say you can't stand.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
337. boston bean you go on andon andonteling people (including me)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:59 AM
Sep 2014

how horrible we are, and you're so innocent init all ......... you've made such an effort, lol. You are the host. No call-outs is a rule,right? I was called out- with lies, yet ,you did nothing. Don't try your I've tried mumbo-jumbo with me, I've seen you celebrate hurting too many people to believe a word of it. You have no superior standing,though being host, you could stop a lot of the name-calling,callouts, sexist slurs, etc.in your own group..... I've never even entertained the thought of being 'superior' here or on any other message board. Projecting?

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
340. I would like you to point to a post of mine where I have ever ever
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:05 AM
Sep 2014

done what you did here.

You will be unable to find any proof of that here on DU.

I have strong opinions you may not like, but that doesn't mean I'm mean to you or anyone else.

I did NOTHING you say I did, and you can keep on with those allegations, but you won't be able to offer one shred of proof.

Why, because it does not exist.

You want to blame me for everything you find offensive in HoF, go right ahead..... I can't do anything to stop you doing that. Although, I think your anger is misplaced.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
342. Look back in the original Feminism forum and say that with a straight
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:15 AM
Sep 2014

face. It was sickening. Also,to the person you wanted to report to have his children taken away (good thing you deleted all those times,eh? - really read the replies you got for just how horrible you were to that poster ( and not just from me), etc etc etc. -so many examples of your vile insults to good people -but pure as the driven snow!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041

Oh, and hey JTFrog- http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041#post321 What's up with that? Terribly insulting. Was it hidden, and did you apologize?

Now,I'done with this crap. If I'm tossed, I'm tossed .... but I find it tiring correcting every word in such a stupid, but really telling,sub-thread. You'll all just have to keep trying even harder!!!


boston bean

(36,186 posts)
344. So a post of self deletes, proves what you state?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

Again, prove it. You got some screenshots of me telling him to go fuck himself you slimy ignorant pig? Like you did here?

I deleted because I was being alert stalked through the entire thread.

Yeah, I still do think it's a bit strange to tell your daughters that it's ok to walk around the house nude in front him.

I'll stand by that.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
384. One could of asked the same about this personal attack to stand 5-2.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:51 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't go whining to ATA. Juries can be biased. At least she deleted it and apologized quickly rather than 6 months later, and which no one who seems so conveniently appalled at polly7 and the jury right now weren't in the least bit at this personal attack at me back then.

You deserve it.

that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.

sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.

the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.

a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...

lord. You crack me up.

haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

polly also didn't blame it on a jury; she apologized for what she said, unlike the situation above:

I take full credit for what I said. Always have. I have tried multiple times to explain it.

The post went to jury. The jury allowed it.

Am I supposed to apologize for a jury?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=44639



Hypocrisy at it's best...or worst.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
387. This is suppose to prove what??????
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

Why are you posting this to me? What does this prove or say about me???

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
394. Quit trying to justify polly's nasty personal attack against me.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

It's not appreciated in the least. Nothing I have ever said to her warranted that attack. Nothing.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
405. Hardly reaches the level of hatred displayed above.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:40 PM
Sep 2014

And no one tried defending it. I'm not defending it. But he attacked me out of the blue for appreciating someone else's post. I fully expected to eat a hide on that one. I deserved it.

I'm still not sure what that has to do with this situation. Was my hidden post directed at polly? No, I didn't think so.

Please keep defending this nasty shit.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
493. Don't you love it when folks are
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 02:51 PM
Sep 2014

great at dishing it out and get all quivery and outraged when taking it? Too funny.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
407. You know, one time someone
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:44 PM
Sep 2014

referenced my screename and related it to farts..... it wasn't a joke either, they were being just plain mean.

I got over it, can't even remember who did it. It was an OP, in META.

I didn't go crucifying myself to some cross.

No, what was said to you was in no way comparable to what was done here in this thread. Was the post nice to you, no, it wasn't. but come on, do we all have to take responsibility for what someone else said to you? WTH? Haven't you gotten enough mileage out of it yet?


RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
488. I agree with you!
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

That was mean what someone did to you regarding your screen name.

I was trying to find a picture about cars and mileage, and I'm posting this in good faith as it's one of my favorite movies and 3 of my favorite characters (had to include Brad).

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
401. Admit what?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:27 PM
Sep 2014

After what you called me, you really think you want to go this path?

You have proved NOTHING, except maybe the fact, that I have done nothing. No where in your links have I done or said anything that remotely resembles what it is you think you've proved.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
469. I tell you what it proves, Boston, It proves that Riff has no intention whatsoever of Moving On.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:43 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:39 AM - Edit history (1)

It proves that she does not accept my apology. I don't know why she thinks it needs to be brought up in this thread at all.

I am sorry that she is harassing you with this old bone.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
438. Well, the identity of that alerter
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:19 PM
Sep 2014

is about as obvious as a bear in a phone booth. Lack of capitalization and the disconnected, vaguely Palinesque word salad is a dead giveaway.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
460. Yes, well the thing about people who go back and delete posts
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:20 PM
Sep 2014

is that they erase the evidence of their own transgressions.

Hypocrisy at it's best...or worst.


I remember your outburst in Kali's thread last week, where you insisted telling someone to "shut the fuck up" was so bad, you would hide it even against me. But here you are, defending a far worse post and yet again pointing to a single insult against you from some eight months ago. There have been far worse insults to DUers every single day since then, but the only comment that counts is against you. People have been threatened with rape and death. You have made worse insults since. Yet you continue to focus on that one remark. You think the fact you didn't go to ATA and instead bring it up all the time is better?

As for your friend, she deleted this morning, apologized to "DU," not the person insulted, and continued to make attacks, which draws the sincerity of her apology into question.

And here you are, talking again about a comment to yourself. If I call women "skanky snatches," tell them to "fuck yourself . . . slimy ignorant pig," will you defend me as well? Is that what it takes you rise in your esteem?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post13
Since you deleted all or most of your posts in that thread, people will have to infer from how others reacted. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post36
Of course the hidden post survives. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025467410#post37

Since we're playing linky dinks, here are some more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2681519
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025218635
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=45043
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=469585


Hypocrisy at it's best...or worst.

You were saying?

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
490. The only truth in your whole post is the first sentence of your paragraph.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:08 PM
Sep 2014

Wow! You searched and found some of my hidden posts. Big deal. Most of them deserved to get hidden.

At least I admit it.

People have been threatened with rape and death. You have made worse insults since.


WTF? This is why I can't take you seriously.
 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
500. Yup yup.... also,
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

If I remember correctly, the "wonderful person" upon whose grave we're dancing, was the only person I know of who was so incapable of civility that she actually had a post hidden in response to the big Kahuna in ATA. I mean, if you can't at least try to be civil to the big guy, what's that say about a person?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
510. There were at least two others.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:55 PM
Sep 2014

Thatpoetguy had one over 2a supporters being able to post on DU. He either stopped posting after that, or dropped that account for a new one.

There was also a woman, whose name I forget, who had one for going off about how some treated nadin.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
511. Ah.. I stand corrected... The old memory just ain't what she used to be I guess. Getting old sucks
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:01 PM
Sep 2014
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
513. Love Tull! Here's another ATA hide
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=991

The poster she was talking about is still here. As far as I know, she never ate her hat, but she did abandon that account and now posts under a different user name.
 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
517. I definitely remember the name there... (and also, Love Tull!)
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:21 PM
Sep 2014

Now I'm all curious as to who she was talking about, and what name she's using now....

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
535. Really?
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:42 AM
Sep 2014
Number of posts, last 90 days: 514


Do you ask that question of everyone who posts as often, or more often, as me?

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
537. No, didn't even look at your post count. You just seem to know a lot about DUers and I imagine
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:08 AM
Sep 2014

it would take some time to keep track of all that info.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
538. It couldn't be a good memory?
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:35 AM
Sep 2014

I remember people who screw with me and others. It doesn't really take any time or effort.
If I were to make false accusations against you and lie about your posts, I'd bet you'd remember me for it. That happens a lot here. It's often directed at me.
I remember you and me tangling a few times. You have never been mean or lied, so I have no problem with you. I don't remember what those exchanges were about, and I don't really care. You seem like a decent person to me. Most DUers are decent people. That's the way I saw Whisp. Assholes stand out, and are much more memorable.

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
542. More power to you for a fantastic memory. Agreed if someone is especially mean or lies that they
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:02 AM
Sep 2014

would be more memorable, sad that stuff stands out rather than those who are kind and post thoughtfully and passionately. Which is I guess where I started with this. I am just so sick of the childish, repetitive, predictable arguments over and over again. I am not blaming you - though one could place bets on how this thread would go - wouldn't you agree? I just wish everyone would get as bored of this crap as I am getting and try to refrain from feeding it. My new leaf.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
543. No one is required to read it
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:27 AM
Sep 2014

or comment on it. Whisp had friends here. She had been around, and posting, long enough for a lot of people to know who she is. People won't be wondering what happened to her. I was surprised to discover that she had been PPRed and thought others would want to know. What's funny is, I was attacked by some that would call her a friend. My motives were not only questioned, I was called a liar repeatedly. That's not really a shocker, that crowd attacks DUers all the time. It's what they live for.

One could place bets on how this thread would go? Yeah, sure. I felt that it was worth informing the community. I'm a frequent target of the daily attacks, I can take it and I'm usually amused by it. I assume that anyone else who weighs in can take it, as well.

Anyone can just trash the thread. I'm sure a lot of people have.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
546. And the jury results are in...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:22 PM
Sep 2014

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

No one is required to read it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5496447

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Posts a shit-stirring Meta thread, laughs as it gets ugly, and then whines about he is "lied" about and "attacked." Then goes on to claim "that crowd attacks DUers all the time," whereas one of "that crowd" was insulted in a post he defended as "fuck yourself you slimy ignorant pig." This victim complex in the face of serious insults to the same people is he looking to double down on insulting by making baseless accusations is what this poster does far too often and it's the kind of thing that makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:21 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jesus Christ, this thread is three days old, let it die a natural death by not responding to it anymore.
I wish everyone would just grow up for five goddamn minutes.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert makes DU suck much worse that this post by Pintobean. Whoever wrote this alert might consider apologizing to Pintobean, the admins, and all of DU.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
579. She edited first to add a 2nd f-bomb and the word "loser" to the original post
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

And there was no apology from polly to jtfrog. The apology was to others.

The only thing that appears sincere is the initial expletive filled post and edit, and i think this because the edit came the next day and apology was to other readers, not to jtfrog.

An apology to us without an apology to the target is hollow in my opinion.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
354. This is why I do not like grave-dancing threads
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:55 AM
Sep 2014

about PPRed DUers. They generate these ugly subthreads almost universally. There are many offensive posts containing personal attacks in this thread. That one was the worst of them. That jurors left it because the subthread itself is ugly is symptomatic of something, I think. I consider all of these grave-dancing threads as disruptive meta topics, which should be locked by hosts as soon as they appear. But, I'm not a host nor an admin, so my opinion carries no weight at all.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
355. There was nothing posted that warranted that reply.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:00 AM
Sep 2014

The jurors leaving it is symptomatic of something alright. I started out posting an excerpt for the reason I thought these threads were no longer allowed in GD. If I got snarky with someone from there it's because they are always snarky with me. That sure as hell doesn't excuse a jury leaving that comment. In fact, I think it proves the point that women here have been trying to get admin to wake up and pay attention to.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
356. I agree. Nothing that warranted such ugliness.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:06 AM
Sep 2014

Normally, I simply do not participate in this type of thread at all. This time is an exception, due to the obscene personal attack that was left by a jury. When juries do not hide even that level of attack, it means that something is badly wrong. Grave-dancing threads, which is what this one is, generate the kind of personal conflict between DUers that creates a toxic environment, in my opinion. That is why I believe they should not be allowed to continue and should be locked by forum hosts.

The same stuff seems to happen whenever there is a PPR of a well-known DUer. People who liked the DUer and people who did not always seem to show up and get into ugly shouting matches. That's not good for DU, and sometimes results in even more people either losing their posting privileges temporarily or additional PPRs.

So, I don't like such threads. They're disruptive almost every time one is posted.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
393. I'd like to know which authority it is she thinks people are trying to get her to submit to?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

Does anyone in HOF ever even respond to her absent her coming after them? I know I don't. I had her on ignore for a year and she continued to attack me without my ever responding. She has been on two forced leaves, so some juries are starting to hold her accountable for her posting. Unfortunately this one did not. That anyone would defend a post like that is bewildering. I don't even know how that is possible. I'd hide a post like that if my mother made it. It just isn't right to treat people that way. It certainly hasn't helped the civility level of this thread, which has devolved into a free-for-all of mud slinging.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
395. She told me in her nastygram DU mail that she has a long memory.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014

Apparently she plans to continue on like this.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
406. Alert on that nastygram
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:43 PM
Sep 2014

I know her memory is long, so long she holds me responsible for a series of things that happened before I joined DU. It's not rational, and little if any of it has to do with you. Although I have asked her many times, she has not once provided proof of these abuses she insists have been perpetrated against her. If you look a few months back in my journal, I have some posts with a whole host of links refusting her accusations against me and showing she has done many things she denies. Truth and evidence appear entirely unrelated to the grudges she harbors. The sad part is the one she hurts the most by holding on to all that anger is herself.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
398. She didn't need to do anything if the jury let it stand
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:20 PM
Sep 2014

But she edited AND apologized, which is more than I can say for others.

Since you seem concerned (which is very nice, I might add) by ugly posts and have been here a long time you must have missed this one, otherwise I'm certain you would have commented on how offensive it was, which was neither hidden nor edited. I did finally get an apology about 6 months later, though!

You deserve it.

that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.

sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.

the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.

a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...

lord. You crack me up.

haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
399. OK. What does that have to do with me, though?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

I'm not getting it. I don't remember that post, though. I don't read every thread on DU, and I don't see my name anywhere in that thread, so yes, I probably did not see it.

You don't find the post I'm talking about ugly? Really?

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
468. It has nothing to do with you MineralMan and, I apologize that Riff is trying to drag you into
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:34 PM
Sep 2014

something that had nothing whatsoever to do with you.

At the most it should only involve me, Riff, The Alerter and The Six Jurors of the post.

And Yes, the post you are talking about is Very Ugly.

Peace.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
467. Did I or, did I not, apologize to you in HoF and ask for peace and to please Move On?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:25 PM
Sep 2014

Did you or, did you not, delete your post where you said you had received "unflattering pictures" of me but, you deleted them because that was the right thing to do? Boston Bean asked you and that was the only post you deleted.

What about the thread in TMG where you all raked me over the coals when I had been banned and could not defend myself even if I wanted to? What about all that, Riff?

How about maybe sending the pictures to the person so that they can decide what to do ? How would you like it if someone said they had received "unflattering pictures" of you (what does that even mean, anyway?) And then NO PROOF whatsoever that it even occurred? Wouldn't you want to know who is going around doing such a thing as that? Who knows what pictures you got. They could easily not even be pictures of me just because the person claimed it does not make it true.

Did you not send me a PM reminding me of better times?

So, which is it, Riff? Peace or No?

Whatever you decide = QUIT bringing this up to people that were NOT involved. This is between YOU and ME.

No one else cares and if they do, I feel sorry for them because they have Way Too Much Time on their hands.




RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
483. Oh, I think other people care.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 08:42 AM
Sep 2014

Especially when certain people here demand a level of discourse that they don't exhibit.

Yes, I did accept your apology and I believe you meant it.

I was trying to make a point about juries.

I told you I would move on so I will. I was truthful to you that I deleted the pictures and actually sorry I even brought it up; that's the night things came to a head.

I hope you can move on from that.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
484. Then please never post this again, no matter your intention -
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

and, you will tell me the name of person who sent you said pictures so that I can deal with that matter forthrightly, then we can move on.

This will be an uneasy peace until I receive that name and, as you can understand I must always wonder IF you decide that bringing up this old chestnut can always be held over my head ... in a sort of blackmail to try and, make me behave a certain way then that is no Peace for me.

I must have your promise that you will NOT post this again for any reason whatsoever.

Also, I ask that the thread in TMG be SELF DELETED by EVERYONE who participated in it and, locked by the OP. If any of the participants in that thread have a problem with this they may DU Mail me and explain why they do not want to delete and I will take it on a case by case basis. I understand that you have no control over other people's actions and will not hold you culpable but, will deal with them on my own.

If you are willing to do the above to show me you are willing to move on in good faith then I am willing also.

Thank you for understanding.

Peace.







RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
486. Ah, the old Catch-22.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:04 PM
Sep 2014

I'll move on from your comment like I said I would since your apology; I went back on my word once and that's not me at all because I despise that quality in others.

I'm sorry you have to settle for an uneasy peace.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
487. Yes, you dealt me the Catch-22. You really need to protect your source for some pictures and,
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

You Refuse to admit your part in this situation. You refuse to accept any responsibility about participating in that thread in TMG and you refuse to self delete your other questionable posts regarding this matter.

Am I understanding you correctly?

Is that what is happening here?

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
489. No, it's not.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:42 PM
Sep 2014

Part in what?

Of course I take responsibility of my posts in a thread started by someone else in TMG. It's there for all to see!

Did you think you wouldn't get any backlash? I typically don't make it a habit of trashing other people in safe havens, and have posted there probably 5 times in the last 3-4 months, if that.

Blame me for the pictures because I'm the one that brought them up and regret it, because quite frankly, it's really fucking stupid.

You really think DU needs more hostility, fighting and gossip? I don't.

I told you I'm not bringing up certain things anymore.

I hope the same for you.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
495. Dang.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

All pictures of me are unflattering.

That threat would not hold water with me lol.

That being said, it sure seems a nasty thing to threaten.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
528. actually,
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 01:54 AM
Sep 2014

LOL ... is my reply to her now self deleted post.

Talk about out of left field

I already know who sent them but, they are not pictures of me so the whole thing is rather hilarious.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
532. You once accused me of
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:08 AM
Sep 2014

having something to do with this.

Talk about out of left field

It seems to me that she was trying to do you a favor by bringing it to your attention.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
541. Talking about favors. Thank you, ever so much, for bringing it to our attention about Whisp.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:50 AM
Sep 2014

You are my favorite DUer !! Snoodles, Snookums !! and Ciao, Baby !!

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
545. You are absolutely the Best News Journalist on DU3. You just report the facts!
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

someone on here compared you to =


but, in my mind you will always be Joe Friday =


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
550. Strange, I thought you supported self deleting. Was I thinking of someone else?
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

Have you ever deleted posts so that people could not read them? .

I agree with polly's decision btw. And apparently so does the community.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
554. I do support it, Sabrina, which is why I was surprised
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:39 AM
Sep 2014

that the post was edited, rather than self-deleted. You appear to have misunderstood my words.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
555. Deleting and editing are not the same thing. Deleting means no one can read the OP or post
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:01 AM
Sep 2014

at all, editing is leaving one's OPs and posts but simply adding something or changing something.

I was speaking about the former, deleting, which is not against the rules here and which airc was something you took advantage of often, yourself, which led me to believe you supported it.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
556. And, as I said, I do support the self-delete function.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:06 AM
Sep 2014

And as you have mentioned, I have used it from time to time. It's especially useful when a poster writes an explosive, obscene personal attack. Editing leaves the ugliness for people to see, if they like.

You still appear to be misunderstanding what I wrote. I wrote that I was surprised that the person edited, rather than self-deleted. It would have been much better had that post been self-deleted, in my opinion. It's a useful tool on DU, especially when someone writes in anger and writes something truly ugly, like that post was.

And with that, our conversation on this is over.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
561. She gave some people what they wanted.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:40 PM
Sep 2014

A hidden post can be seen by any member who wants to see it, "if they like". Given all the complaints about it not being hidden, the edit seems like the best choice. She knew it survived a jury, so she could have left it. If she had self-deleted, a bunch of people would be calling her a coward. We've seen that often enough to know it's true.

I give her credit for choosing the best option. Some people wouldn't be satisfied no matter what she did.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
564. The best option is ALWAYS self deleting if one is truly remorseful.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:22 PM
Sep 2014

That's admitting that one recognizes that the post was over the line regardless of how a jury viewed it. And yes, some people will never be satisfied so that is irrelevant.

Worse options are continuing to argue with the insulted person, trash talking in one's profile, or starting a Meta thread to draw more attention to the conflict.


 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
567. In YOUR opinion self-delete is the best option.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:42 PM
Sep 2014

In my opinion, it depends on the situation. It wasn't the best option here.

The Meta thread about the Meta thread? Yeah, only one side should be allowed to post Meta threads. As long as they're hidden in plain sight. I see you put your two cents in over there.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
575. Obviously it's my opinion.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:54 PM
Sep 2014

As for Meta threads, there's no prohibition against them in groups unless the group has a rule against it. There is, as you know, a prohibition against them in GD. And yes, I put my two cents in on a thread that mattered to me. Is that any different than what you're doing here in this thread?


eta: apparently polly7 would like to see this thread die. You're the OP. You can make that happen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5501850

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
568. Actually, the best option would have been not to post
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:42 PM
Sep 2014

that ugly personal attack in the first place. That would have been my choice. As for my opinion, if I say anything that is not from a link, it is always my opinion. The opinions of others might differ from mine, but I will state my opinion on DU from time to time. Hope you don't mind.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
572. Those who wanted it hidden.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

What she did was the closest thing to the effect of a hidden post. It's hot visible, but it can be seen by logged-in members, if they so choose - just like a hidden post.

The only thing missing is the 20 point gig to her record. Only a jury can provide that, and they chose not to.

Response to pintobean (Reply #572)

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
574. It appears there is no need to argue about this any longer as polly7 is not returning
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:55 PM
Sep 2014

polly7's Profile
Profile information

About polly7
Good grief, people .... I said I wouldn\'t be back, calm down!!! (Fixed my keyboard). Bye to all the good people here. Please don\'t let the warmongers blow up the fucking world. polly

So can you shut this thread down now?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
563. You missed his point. His point was the she did NOT self-delete and merely edited
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:19 PM
Sep 2014

the post so that others could still read it. He is advocating the self-delete option and wondering why she didn't use it. Pretty clear it's because she wanted people to go look and see what she had said.

I usually agree with all your posts on DU but oddly none in this thread. Obviously there is a lot of history between various posters in this thread that I don't know about, but polly7 has been nothing but angry and rude in this thread and there is no defense of that post of hers that some idiotic jury didn't find hide worthy.

Sad to see her in this light because I believe I usually agree with her on policy and issues as well.

Everyone just needs to reset and start over and stop acting like they're in junior high. I was a little embarrassed by a couple of my own posts on DU in the past but wow!, this entire thread just makes mine seem so inconsequential it's not even funny.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
585. I know exactly what he meant. Thanks anyhow. Yes, there is 'history' as you call it, and it appears
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:53 AM
Sep 2014

you do not know Polly or this post would not have written. It is not Polly who has been shown in 'any light', considering that history and HER history. The jury who chose not to hide her post, obviously was aware of what has been going on here.

I usually agree with your posts also, but not any in this thread.

Just because for years the voices claiming to represent women here were the loudest doesn't mean they actually represented most of DU's women.

Thanks for your comment, I am not at all ignorant of the history and it is not possible to 'start over' with people who, eg, create sock puppets to try to control the dialogue here.

I know of no one on this forum who has been more of an advocate for women than Polly, NO ONE, and who proves that each and every day in REAL LIFE. I am sure you mean well, Cui Bono, but I believe you are lacking a whole lot of information re this situation.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
587. Okay, from your post it sounded like you misunderstood MM.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:04 AM
Sep 2014

Anyway... like I said, I don't know the history, but I do know that post by polly was inappropriate and should have been hidden.

I really wish people would just argue the points and not drag all the past around with them. I know it's difficult and I do it sometimes but this thread and others get really out of control. I don't use the ignore feature but if the animosity is this great and cannot be overcome perhaps that is the answer.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
439. if you're actually sorry, why didn't you say sorry to JTFrog?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:37 PM
Sep 2014

seems like you're not sorry at all. you posted the first version, bad enough, then you edited that version to add another expletive filled line at JTFrog.

now you offer "apologies to DU", as if you're sorry we had to see what you called JTFrog?

hollow apology, insincere and coupled with the message you sent to them via DU Mail, self serving and ingenuous.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
261. LOL
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:47 AM
Sep 2014

Oh, that's funny

but when you have an obvious bias against a whole group of people as you seem to, everything's some horrible attempt to - something or other......


BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
286. That's why I didn't start one here over JJChambers
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:33 AM
Sep 2014

Would have raised the roof, if I had thought it was allowed.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
294. dancing isn't complaining
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:35 AM
Sep 2014

Gravedancing is a tradition, whether one thinks it is a good or a bad one. Personally I'd be fine with all gravedancing threads being verboten, but that is highly unlikely, and I suspect most peoples' opinion on gravedancing varies wildly from month to month depending on how fond they were, or weren't, of the specific dance-ee.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
317. Didn't the recent changes to the SOP specifically prhobit gravedancing?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:10 AM
Sep 2014

As disruptive Meta? Is your job as a host not to enforce those rules consistently?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
357. No.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:25 AM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

And in fact, as far as I can tell, leaving this thread open IS enforcing the rules consistently. Can you point to a gravedancing thread that was locked, either under the old SOP -or- the revised one that I linked? Because I can't think of any.

I'm pretty sure there was a massive outpouring of gravedancing a couple weeks ago, well after the new SOP. Don't think that was locked, either.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
375. There hasn't been a grave dancing thread since the new SOP
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:29 PM
Sep 2014

Despite several PPRs, precisely because of the provision against discussions of banned members. This is clearly disruptive Meta, as it was intended to be. It has degenerated into a series of personal attacks, which is the very defintion of disruptive.

Besides, we both know if I post a gravedancing thread about oldhippie or someone else it would be locked in a second.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
388. Give it a try.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:57 PM
Sep 2014

If the OP isn't "complaining about DU"; and of course, that would depend on the wording of the OP- I don't believe it would.

And as I said, dancing isn't complaining- it doesn't run afoul of the new SOP, which, as you note (and contrary to your previous claim) does not "specifically ban gravedancing".

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
389. I don't even want to
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:00 PM
Sep 2014

There is enough ugliness and drama in this thread. My goal in life is not to create more misery for people. I'll leave that to others far better qualified.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
420. Hosts and admin seem to have pretty clearly defined the meta disruption as complaining about DU.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:07 PM
Sep 2014

And the amended SOP backs up that definition.

The OP is not complaining about DU. As for what happens after the OP, lots of threads turn into clusterfucks of all varietals, however, the host's duties pertain to the OP and the wording therein.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
423. Yes, but I think it's a pretty safe bet
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:10 PM
Sep 2014

a grave dancing thread on a long-time DUer will turn into a clusterfuck, don't you think? If it didn't, it would be a rarity. Of course, one particularly noxious post left by a jury sent it into an even more toxic direction.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
426. I'd be perfectly happy if ALL grave dancing was decided to be not fitting the SOP, but
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

that hasn't happened, nor do I think it is likely to. My only point is that such a decision would need to be applied consistently.

And those advocating such things when the grave-dancee is someone they agreed with, ought to remember that such a change would also apply to gravedancing for the folks they're glad are gone- "long-time trolls" and the like.

Just imagine the tragedy if, for instance, one day I were to be banned, and the folks who can't stand me weren't able to properly celebrate said fact.

Man, what a bummer that would be!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
431. That would be a tragedy
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:42 PM
Sep 2014

but nothing compared to my demise. No, seriously. I thought they were all banned. I was surprised to see this one.

betsuni

(25,135 posts)
300. Speaking of grave dancing
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:51 AM
Sep 2014

Somehow it is pertinent. Giselle, a young peasant woman, falls in love with Albrecht, a royal playboy disguising himself as a peasant. When Giselle finds out he's an impostor already engaged to another, she goes mad and dies, becomes a Wili, a ghost doomed to dance any unwary traveler to death on moonlit nights. Albrecht feels bad, goes to Giselle's grave at night. The Queen of the Wilis commands Giselle to dance him to death but she dances with him and saves him because she still loves him, forgives him. At dawn she sinks back down into her grave; he is alone and sad for what he has done. So ... some are danced to death and some get special treatment.


Response to pintobean (Original post)

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
99. I'd like some consistency on the issue of socks
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:49 PM
Sep 2014

After all, some other people have used it for even more nefarious means, ducked PPR, and laugh about it to this day.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
100. It's been consistent since time-outs started.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:52 PM
Sep 2014

I assume you're talking about an alert sock. I always wonder if admin regrets that one.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
441. Only it's factually false
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014

I did not alert at the time I made the account. And when I used it to alert, I was not locked out of alerting. It was also at a time when Skinner had posting something in ATA saying having two accounts wasn't in and of itself a violation of the rules, which I suspect is why I wasn't PPR'd over it.

I'm sorry you have so much unresolved anger one-and-a-half year's after Skinner's decision not to PPR me. You should really take that up with him, or find another way to deal with those issues.

BTW, how is your medical friend?

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
451. Here's the jury results on this post in case you're interested....
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:36 PM
Sep 2014

(Apparently they're alerting on everything)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"BTW, how is your doctor friend?" A personal attack trying to tie a long time DUer to a disgusting Discussionist troll (The Doctor) that was banned for extremely vile comments directed at her and other hof members. Only one person is responsible for those comments. She's used this dishonest tactic on many DUers.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:30 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this alert is not just bogus but bullshit
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I really don't like people who used socks to mislead DU trying to attack DUers by implying an association with someone else. I can't see another explanation for "your medical friend", and the 'unresolved anger' and 'issues' stuff is BS too (yes, we don't like sockpuppets here, and someone asked for an example - it's your tough luck you were caught and exposed by admin), so it's a hide vote.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ridiculous alert and a total waste of time. Alerter should get a life.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Underhanded, unacceptable.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will....

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
452. Thanks
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

Yes, alerting on everything while being outraged I alerted on a post telling a member to "go f(spelled out) yourself, you slimy ignorant pig."

Can't make this stuff up.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
101. Don't you know the COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:52 PM
Sep 2014

The person got five hides, had a long time out, and made a sock to continue participating.

The community voice means a lot, until it doesn't.... when they don't want to hear it!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
108. Not quite. Admin spoke out ........ the terms of TOS were circumvented.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:01 PM
Sep 2014

But, blame it on the 'community',that should make everyone feel guilty. And I don't really know Whisp other than she seemed to dislike me a whole lot-which is/was absolutely fine with me, but it's too bad she couldn't wait it out and I find this sad for her. But not just speaking of this case,do you think making a sock is acceptable?

I'm also sad about OldHippie. Wtheck did he do?

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
109. That's sad.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:04 PM
Sep 2014

Didn't know her much, but could tell she was a genuinely good person and always enjoyed her posts.

Her ban will leave a void.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
115. Socks aren't allowed at DU?...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

I'd better clean out my sock drawer. (kidding)

Thanks for this post, pintobean. I didn't read it as gravedancing so much as informational... I saw it as your way of making a DU public service announcement to let everyone know that ONE MORE long time DUer has jumped the track.

I don't have access to mirt and host cliques so I would not have known about Whisp, without your post; so, thanks again.

DU is not better off without Whisp. I hope she works it out with admin and comes back soon. DU cannot afford to lose another longstanding member of this community.

The old adage, "You are only as strong as your weakest link," is a warning that DU would do well to heed. The recent hemorrhaging of democratic oldtimers, juxtaposed by the influx of newbie trolls, has negatively affected DU's community chain; making it decidedly weaker and more rickety.

Trolls are populating DU as if someone had left the gate open. Meanwhile, long time, dedicated members of this community appear to be increasingly missing in action. Not a good trend...

TYY

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
121. Thank you.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:35 PM
Sep 2014

I did the same type of post when Taverner was PPRed. He and I did not get along, but I didn't let that show. He had a lot of friends here; people I do like. I just wanted to let the community know. I wasn't happy or sad about it. I was just reporting news.

Whisp gave me shit once in a while, but it was usually done in a humorous way. I thought she could be interesting and I did like her. I'm sad for her. She had to know the consequences for that sock when she created it. It had to be at a point of not caring.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
116. It must take an argumentative person to create a sock to post on their time out.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sep 2014

What can one need to say so badly to do that? It's always sad to see a long time DUer go.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
160. creating a sock is not suicide. There is one member currently on time out who has used at least
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:11 PM
Sep 2014

one sock before and gotten busted for it. But, no ban.

it's a rule that's apparently enforced when expedient.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
166. This sock's creator, for example, is still here:
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:21 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=314717&sub=trans

Sockpuppet of poster on temporary break


Note that they did not name the person for whom it was a sock. That person is still at DU, albeit on yet another posting break.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
167. hmmmm...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:23 PM
Sep 2014

Bring whisp back!!!

Seems most liked her. I liked her sock jayden too. At least I am consistent.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
566. Um.... no.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:35 PM
Sep 2014

All she was was rude, nasty snark and smilies.

DU needs people who will actually discuss issues and not just name call and make smarmy retorts to those who dare say something they don't like to hear.

That being said... the hides she got were ridiculous. However, there were many, many rude posts that I think warranted hides that were left out there - whether they were even alerted on or not I don't know. All in all, DU isn't losing any valuable discourse and she seemed to have lost it recently.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
177. ok, but don't earl and skinner get notice? Seems like the person who created
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:35 PM
Sep 2014

the sock should have gotten the heave-ho.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
179. They did and there was no challenge to the nuke but if it was a sock or not we
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:38 PM
Sep 2014

were not told. We might have been wrong that it was a sock of who we thought but the nuke was solid because it would have been reversed.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
194. omc sounds familiar. I think that was recent and there was thought it might be him
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:45 PM
Sep 2014

but we might have been wrong.

Not completely sure.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
191. Okay, but . . .
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:44 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2262779

Oh and not that it's any of your business as you question my ability to post (which is quite KGB of you) but Texas Elvis was my dog who died last year. He was a great dalmatian


Response to geek tragedy (Reply #191)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
415. I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat. He was so stressed in the morning...

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
176. That one was nuked by MIRT.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:33 PM
Sep 2014

If it was Skinner or EarlG, it would say so where it says MIRT, just FYI.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
178. how did mirt determine it was a sock. my experience is that mirt
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:37 PM
Sep 2014

Members get that confirmation from admin. by requesting an ip check. Was it different in this case?

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
195. Not sure, but here's what I think.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:45 PM
Sep 2014

The post where they plainly say they were a sock puppet of someone on time out, I think.

Since MIRT nuked, I guess it never got to Skinner to do an IP check.

I wasn't on that term but that's what I gather.

Plus what justin said.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
371. if Skinner didn't do an IP check, that's a problem in this case
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:04 PM
Sep 2014

because then all one has to do to get a long time DUer banned, is create a new DU account and announce on the account that you are the (screenname you want banned).

there has to be a more thorough way of checking for socks than that.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
373. I don't think that's a problem.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:19 PM
Sep 2014

As you know from being on MIRT, MIRT cannot ban a long time DUer. Even if they suspect the long time member has a sock. All MIRT can do is request a check. Admin then checks. It's either clear or not (as we see in this case) and then Admin takes action.



 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
557. re: "albeit on yet another posting break." Do you mean that sock was seabeyond's?
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014

They've had the most temporary posting breaks of anyone that I've noticed, and they're currently on another...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=139846&sub=trans

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
184. JaydenD was one of the more extreme posters I'd ever come across.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:40 PM
Sep 2014

They'd even accused me of being totally dishonest about a comment I'd made in support of BainsBane:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472731

So yeah, something seemed off about them.....but I honestly never thought, even for a second, that Whisp was the person behind JaydenD's sock, as it were. I actually didn't recall having too many issues with her. But it is, what it is, I suppose.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
189. So you're defending her now?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:42 PM
Sep 2014

Oh, and btw:

188. lol joe anyone who you dont agree with seems extreme to you.


 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
198. Unbelievable.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:47 PM
Sep 2014

I'm sorry, but falsely accusing somebody of that kind of thing just because you have a personal beef with them, as JaydenD did, is pretty bad. And you should frankly be ashamed of yourself as well, for supporting that.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
200. it was all your qualifying words.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:51 PM
Sep 2014

Your understanding of the frustration of the one who made the comment. Because you experienced something you think was bad from feminists on du.

But one should never make those threats, you say, while qualifying you statement with the above.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
214. Oh, come on now. Really?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

In fact, even a jury understood what I was saying:

On Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sorry to hear of this horrible behavior.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472573

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Just unacceptable - "regardless of the motivation behind them". As if there could possibly be reason for rape or rape htreats.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:47 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing how this post is worse than others in this thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to nitpick the word choice. He doesn't support rape. It's probably related to the fact that some use rape threats against people they dislike. He considers that also unacceptable.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poorly worded, for sure, but I believe this was sincere outrage on behalf of the OP.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's ambiguous. There is motivation for rape threats other than an intent to rape, like intimidation, goading, harassment etc. Alerter has a reasonable point about this, but argue the point, rather than alert? More educational.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post clearly was supportive toward the person who was dealing with this situation. People have to understand that there are good people with good intentions here who just are not as attuned to the exact phrasing for some of the issues that come up as others might be.

The more appropriate way to address this is to post, "thank you for the support. it may seem minor, but using the word motivation ... "

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I'll be honest and admit that Juror #7 did have a valid point-my initial wording was not perfect, and I could see how some might be slightly confused. I even changed the post to reflect said suggestion. And #3 and #5 also got it right: my post was indeed an expression of sincere concern for the wellbeing of said fellow DUer.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
220. Honestly, Whisp pissed me off half of the time
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:40 PM
Sep 2014

but the other half of the time I really admired her. JaydenD seemed about the same.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
283. Many people had the same reaction to that comment
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:52 AM
Sep 2014

Myself included. Of course your comments in other threads on the issue provided the context. You did send a very nice PM, which I very much appreciated. I only point this out to say I do not believe there was anything extreme about her reaction, particularly since others responded similarly. I again thank you for your thoughtful PM.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
192. Darn. Will miss Whisp.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:44 PM
Sep 2014

Wish she could have waited it out. Hopefully she'll be back at some point in some form.

Oldhippie, otoh, well, not so much.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
222. A victim of the alert-stalkers?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:41 PM
Sep 2014

That'd be my guess. DU3 jury system sucks, as long as we're all meta in this thread.

kickitup

(355 posts)
301. Evidently she was a victim.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:00 AM
Sep 2014

All the sock did evidently was repeat a line from my post/mini rant and that single line was sent to a jury? My post wasn't alerted on. Perhaps I am missing something, and if I am I hope someone will clue me in.

I don't understand why the post (Jayden) has in her transparency page was worthy of a jury hide.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
236. I don't understand everything that is going on here
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

I haven't seen what all the complaints and arguments are about, have just seen the posts about them.

I have seen some pretty nasty stuff on positive posts for no reason.

Tell ya, whatever is going on doesn't really make me want to hang around. Seems sights created for controversy and trolling wouldn't be much different

Hope I am wrong

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
505. This kind of mess happens all the time on DU.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Sep 2014

Not too long ago, there were a bunch of peeps who created lounge war after lounge war. It was funny to watch.

Except when it wasn't.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
536. Thanks for the info
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

It's sad. We have way too much work to do. Disagreement and open discussion is productive. Argument for argument sake and attacking just to attack is disruptive and stupid.

Response to pintobean (Original post)

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
285. I don't think they do that
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:30 AM
Sep 2014

I think it's Discussionist purgatory for her now, or something different altogether. I'll miss her. I liked Whisp and Jayden was very supportive of me.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
296. I wish I did, BB. It's frustrating when something like this
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:24 AM
Sep 2014

happens and there's no way to get a hold of peeps.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
314. I really wasn't big on her Clinton bashing.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:30 AM
Sep 2014

I have had interactions with her where she would bash Clinton for the exact things Obama does yet Clintons actions were horrible and Obamas were grand. Very inconsistent in that manner. I simply stopped replying to her political posts on Clinton. That easy. She contributed in other ways that were wonderful to me. She had many insightful posts on other topics and others may have thought her Clinton posts were great. We each take different things from the board. Sorry to see such a long term poster go like this. I know she will be back with another account.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
345. Why is this meta post even still going? This OP and what follows is why DU
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:24 AM
Sep 2014

sucks so bad these days.

Petty and childish adults.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
347. Yes. I hate grave-dancing threads.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:27 AM
Sep 2014

The more well-known the DUer, the longer these threads are and the more ugly.

I don't care who is PPRed. The aftermath of it makes DU suck through these threads.

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
352. Since they put in the 5 hides rule it takes a lot more to get me to vote hide.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:44 AM
Sep 2014

It has to be really over the top or be somebody with low post counts who are clearly trolling. I can only remember once where I voted to hide the post of a long time DU'er. I figure they were the ones who built this place, good or bad, and they deserve some consideration.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
374. Another disruptive meta thread
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:17 PM - Edit history (2)

that is going precisely according to plan. Congratulations. You must be very pleased. I know how much you love this sort of thing.

To the mathematically challenged peanut gallery, I had posted about 14 posts when I made this post, not 50 and not "HUNDREDS.'
If people believe themselves to be on the side of angels, why do they feel compelled to fabricate numbers? Posts are time stamped. It's easy to tell when something was posted.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
391. Looks like there is a loophole, since this is not technically whining about DU
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:03 PM
Sep 2014

but yeah...total META thread.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
408. I took that to mean all grave-dancing threads
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:49 PM
Sep 2014

which is why I didn't post one in GD when JJChambers was PPR'd. He stalked me relentlessly and I had him pegged as a RWer from day one. Turns out I was right. Same with the Doctor. I confronted him on being Vashta when Discussionist first started and the OP attacked me for it. Again, I was right.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
409. To the Alerter on this Post
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:37 PM
Sep 2014

Rest of the jury - sorry it took so long but I had to think about this one . . .

My name is in my vote.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously? There are a couple hundred posts in this thread worse than this one.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh just leave it. BB is being a hypocrite, seeing how she is up to her eyeballs in this thread. Still, the alerted comment doesn't warrant a hide. No DU rules are violated.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."

This thread was meta from the get go and it's a lost of nasty pecking at each other. I'm reaching out to GD hosts to see if the whole thing can get locked.

Please reach out to justanothergen if you are the alerter and you think we got this wrong. But if you read your alert itself - there's a lot of emotion here. Lets calm down.


Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Have to agree with the alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Whining about whining while whining...

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
410. Naturally that was far more uncivil
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

Than post 251, the original version of which is reposted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5487325



Thanks, JAG. I agree with you about the thread deserving to be locked.

And juror 2 is right. I am up to my eyeballs in it, much to my own shame. No excuse for it. Someone asked me to alert on that particularly nasty post, and when the jury didn't hide it I responded and got dragged in. That's on me.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
413. No problem
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

It's just really ugly all the way around.

This is a time at DU where we are in the final run up to mid term elections.

Now - right now - we all need to start supporting each other on GOTV efforts and social media networking to get our candidates elected.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
421. How is it fascinating?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014

Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

I already asked you to stop ruining my childhood crush on Spock by posting him.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
425. It's fascinating to me that you just admitted
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

to coordinating with other people about sending alerts on posts.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
427. It's not coordination
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014

Someone asked me to alert on a highly abusive post, so I did. I have no reason conceal that fact. Anyone would alert on that. It was awful. There is no nefarious plot. The point is to keep people civil rather than verbally abusing one another. Every DUer, including yourself, should have an interest in that. That you find it objectionable is far more problematic than the alert. I can't even begin to imagine what justification a person come make to defend such a thing. I would think self-respect and concern for principle would prohibit it.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
429. And they couldn't alert themselves because...?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:32 PM
Sep 2014

Most DUers I know don't consult each other about alerts. So yeah, that is actually fascinating that you do.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
433. How would you know what most DUers do?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:53 PM
Sep 2014

Have you taken a survey? I don't know why you find asking a favor of a friend to be diabolical.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
436. At the risk of getting dragged into something I have neither the interest, nor time, to mess with...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

it does seem to beg the question, "why could the other person not just alert on it?" And, the only answer that comes to mind is that he or she was, at the time, precluded from alerting because of having "lost" on an alert unanimously. (Or, perhaps is on a transparency vacation, although I thought those posters could still alert) Which, in any case, seems to be nothing more than a small degree or two separated from creating sock accounts to get around the alert limitations.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
440. Friends or sock accounts
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sep 2014

All the same thing. That's quite the mind you have.

If you think it so out of line, post a question to Skinner in ATA. Ask him if it is against he rules to ask a friend to alert on a highly abusive insult.

I would suggest it is a far greater violation to allow such a post to stand, but then that's my bias toward basic civility.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
442. ...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:01 PM
Sep 2014
Do not attempt to intentionally interfere with or exploit the operation of the Democratic Underground website or discussion forums (eg. by "post bombing" or using any other flooding techniques, by attempting to circumvent any restrictions placed on your account by the forum software, etc.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
443. Take it up with Skinner
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:06 PM
Sep 2014

If you have an issue. Until that point, your opinion on this matter isn't worth much more than

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
446. "Another disruptive meta thread".....
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:15 PM
Sep 2014

....which you certainly have enjoyed participating in and getting your grievances out there since yesterday.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
448. participated, yes.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:18 PM
Sep 2014

enjoyed, no.

Are you going to self-delete again? I know how you hate when people don't say what you want them to.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
447. This is a very long thread about someone I never noticed.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

But it is going places.









Honestly, there used to be more whimsy in this place.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
462. hugs to Whisp and sheshe
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

ProSense too if you're out there . . . you might be gone but you're not forgotten!

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
509. Let's campaign for rehabilitation for Whisp and for the return of Prosense
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:53 PM
Sep 2014

who seems to be on an extended vacay

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
530. I'm glad we all accept that this is high-minded feminist discourse...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 05:30 AM
Sep 2014

otherwise it would seem an awful lot like high school.

GP6971

(31,017 posts)
521. Sorry for the question
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 09:30 PM
Sep 2014

in DU terms,what exactly is the definition of a sock puppet?? Not being flip here, just want to know.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
523. A second account by the same person
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 09:45 PM
Sep 2014

or a third, fourth, etc.

A zombie is a person who returns after being banned.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
529. My tribute to Whisp
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 02:56 AM
Sep 2014

Dear Whisp. I didn't know you, but after reading this thread full of sock-puppetry, yelling, and hidden posts, I feel I know you well enough to put a few heart-felt words together.

I vaguely remember we bumped into each other in the early days of DU3. You were yelling at me about something, but no hard feelings. I know you must have been yelling at me in a nice way, because I'd forgotten all about it by the time I read yr post and moved onto the next one.

Thank you for being the impetus for this thread, which was an awesome and entertaining read. Everything's here, except for much talking about you, the subject of the OP. I want more. I'd even suggest you create another sock-puppet and go straight to ATA to confront Skinner and EarlG on how little Whisp talk there was in this thread, but they're such party poopers the way they notice when sock puppets do that. So, I'll leave you with this sage advice for any future DU adventures. Farewell for now....

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
531. I agree totally...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 05:43 AM
Sep 2014

I can't remember him or her specifically, but having read through this thread, I feel like I have missed an event or perhaps even several events of critical importance. If I ever acquire a large newspaper chain and happen to be lying on my deathbed nursing a snowglobe or some other assorted knick-knackery, I am convinced that my dying word will be "Whisp".

BTW, I read through that long, long thread a couple of months ago in which you were accused of doing something adverse or against the rules, I can't remember what it was. I can only remember getting to the end and thinking: do these fucking people have lives?

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
534. This thread was more dramatic and pointless than an average episode of Home & Away...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:38 AM
Sep 2014

Though I nearly got sucked in around the halfway mark when I was tempted to pop in to tell someone they'd invented a new word and ask 'what thread? what hidden post? who said what to who?' But then I thought better of it. It's always better to let these wear themselves out and pop up right at the bottom of the thread...

Don't go underselling the one time I've ever been the subject of attention outside of the I/P forum. There were multiple longarse threads spanning the Hosts forum and GD, and I did consider posting once in each and then leaving, just so they'd blow out to over 1000 posts each. I've decided to leave instructions for Skinner in the event of my nuking that any threads announcing my DU demise are to be restricted to the I/P forum, where the strict guidelines enforced to this day will have to be put to the side specially for me, and where at least I'll know who's hating on who and why, and what thread someone is talking about. We're a very civilised bunch down there compared to up here...

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
540. The really funny part...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:01 AM
Sep 2014

as I understand it, was that the I/P room was hermetically sealed on account of the fact that the Israel issue tended to "provoke flame wars" amongst the wider public. Well bugger me, flame wars eh? Imagine having to put up with those.

I/P is a good old fashioned two-way shitfight, there's only two teams and people sign up to either one for life. For me, I love those pro-Israeli motherfuckers, especially Dave. If I ever met him in person I would drink him under the table and then tattoo the Palestinian flag on his arse after he passed out. And then he'd wake up and we'd all have a good laugh about it.

I feel bad for the admins, it must feel like a pretty toxic environment for them sometimes, and on their own website. I only hope that the ad revenues bring in enough dosh to choke a brown dog, as they must sometimes see very little purpose in the whole endeavour otherwise.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
570. Pintobean, don't you think this thread has run its course? How bout a self-delete,
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:48 PM
Sep 2014

since the Hosts won't lock it.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
576. Hey, at least something is driving traffic around this joint. News/politics certainly
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:10 PM
Sep 2014

doesn't.

Perhaps the forum should be renamed 'spit-ballunderground.com', eh?

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
584. OMG ... are you saying
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:30 AM
Sep 2014

we are all Bozos on this bus and pintobean is the driver ...

omg.

literally, tears in the corners of my eyes laughing so hard.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
578. It's getting to be like the damned Inquisition around here.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

To quote Game of Thrones:
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."

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