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The first I ever heard of ex-Navy Seal Chris Heben was when he appeared on a local conservative-slanted radio talk show presenting himself as the greatest thing since sliced bread and promoting his new book, movie, CD, motivational speaking, nutritional supplements, and if I remember correctly, a line of kitchen sinks.
On the show, he called President Obama a p*ssy.
Not long afterwards, he reported getting shot in an Akron area parking lot and chasing the perpetrator but not being able to catch him. This happened in broad daylight in a normally crowded parking lot, but strangely there were no witnesses. Also, in the accounts I read, no description of the shooter or his vehicle.
Soon afterwards, he began appearing as a spokesman on TV ads for an Ohio auto dealership. The commercials end with Heben striking a pose, standing next to the short, pudgy owner of the dealership who is also striking a tough-guy pose.
Now, after months of investigation, the story hasn't held up, and Heben is being charged with obstructing justice and falsification.
I don't know how this will affect his career as a motivational speaker, singer/ songwriter, author, movie star, etc., etc., but the falsification charge shouldn't hurt his career as a frequent guest on Fox News.
http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2014/09/ex-seal_lied_about_bath_townsh.html#incart_hbx#incart_best-of
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)!!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)How sad for him to lower his life down to the level of a cockroach.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)shown to be nothing but a lying, pathetic coward.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)That would be embarrassing for an ex-SEAL, I suppose. Anyway, the man has a questionable past. I hope his future matches.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)GOP loves liars.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)It's well-documented that there are literally 10-20 guys claiming to be former SEALs for every one actual SEAL.
A friend's mom's husband. We never liked the guy, and he was talking on how he was a Navy SEAL. I called him out as he was about 350 lbs and I highly doubt even a retired SEAL would let himself go that far. He then said he was a mechanic, to which I replied "SEALs are special forces, they're the modern ninja. There could be a SEAL sitting on my lap right now and I wouldn't know it. SEALs aren't mechanics."
The guy was about as sharp as a rubber ball as well. He was in the navy and probably was a mechanic, but he was no SEAL.
haele
(12,647 posts)While he could have been a Navy Mechanic supporting the SEALS and would have had to have gone through a modified BUDs training, the chances are 95% that he probably wasn't a SEAL.
Being a SEAL is not an actual rating or job title, it's a billet or posting that most who qualify to meet usually end up transitioning out of after the first or second deployment due to the physical pounding just the training puts them through. The majority of SEALs end up leaving actual SEAL billets after five years because no matter how physically fit you are, it's not like Crossfit or P90x; there's some serious wear and tear on the skeletal structure and the mental acuity required to be able to conduct tactical operations while living long-term in survival/hunter mode on a fairly constant basis can mess with the endurance one needs to be able to be a SEAL.
Most enlisted SEALs end up going back to their original rates or becoming BUDs instructors if they don't get a medical retirement; most officer SEALs end up being policy weenies.
As for your friend, not that assholes don't become SEALs, but there are so many idiots who claim to be SEALs when all they might have been doing was working on an insertion or extraction support team, small boats/Harbor Patrol/shipboard Security, or part of a Special Forces Command or Logistics Team; or who were part of an Diver/UDT or Underwater Construction team. All these people had to go through some of the same training SEALs did, and would often train along side by side with the rather small in number deployable SEAL teams. I met quite a few of those types when I was going to my Navy Service School back in the late 1970's; the base also was home to a squadron of River Boats (Vietnam era Swift-Boats) and lots of the older guys would claim to be SEALs because they occasionally provided in-country support for a few SEAL squads or otherwise acted as spotters for the big offshore guns and figured their job was just as hard and dangerous as being a SEAL, if not as glamorous. And if you didn't know what it really took to be a SEAL, they could spin a really good story based on enough truth that would be very convincing even to other people who knew some of the requirements to be a Special Forces unit member in general.
The one SERE instructor I actually knew (and BTW, that's another military wanna-be claim "I was a SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) instructor!" told me that for every one actual SEAL who would go out on a mission, there were at least eight support personnel who also had to have some modicum of Special Forces training sitting back at base waiting to drop off/pick up the SEAL (or supply the SEAL), man communications, or otherwise help monitor and direct the mission. And these people wore the same unit patches and had the same special forces insignia that the actual SEAL did.'
So when they went on liberty or went back home, it was very easy for someone who a small-boats mechanic on a PC or Swift Boat assigned to deploy a SEAL team to claim to be a SEAL. After all, even though they didn't actually put their bodies on the line, or would have to actually go out and rough it for ten days in the wilderness, with the possibility of battle or capture, they had to go through some of the same training and were assigned to the SEAL team, weren't they?
Haele
mrwarren03
(1 post)Around 2006 the Navy made the SEALs NEC an actual rate - Special Warfare Operator (SO). So if you see a sailor with like the late Chris Kyle with a rate of SOC (which means Chief Special Warfare Operator)...that person IS a SEAL. The boat guys (SWCC) have an actual rate as well - Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB). The Navy did away with source ratings for both team and boat guys and made actual rates designed specifically for their respective NEC's. Like all rates, they take exams and have bibliographies of items they have to study specifically designed for their skill set.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=25916
A lot of support sailors can be attached to a specific team on either coast. They can be yoeman, IT, supply guys, and intel. They may wear the same type of uniforms as the team guys (NWU Type III) or have the team rocker on their dress blues or whites. But the one thing that will set all SEALs apart from support staff is the Trident on their uniform. Support sailors will not have Tridents on their uniforms.
And in the future if you think a guy is a phony....ask him for his class # and when he graduated. If he's a real team guy, he can give you that, his swim buddy, first command and first CO without hesitation. EVERY team guy goes through BUD/S (and SQT if he's become a SEAL in more recent years) so don't let anyone BS and say they didn't go or didn't have to go! Nobody goes straight to the Teams without graduating BUD/S!!! There are sites on the internet where you can have a guy checked out to see if he is legit.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)They love a good story, even if it's not true.
They just consider it a means to an end, and they're fine with that.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)I don't know for sure or not but a couple of his tattoos are symbols (Valknut and Spartan Shield) that are used by white supremacists. These symbols aren't exclusively used by these groups so I wouldn't automatically paint the guy a racist, but his story kind of points in that direction.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...and he'll put a Flag over his shoulders, wave a bible and say he's sorry...the pearl clutching crowd will love it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He was not even there! He wasn't even where he claimed to be shot.
underpants
(182,776 posts)motivational speaker, singer/ songwriter, author, movie star, etc., etc.,
RancidCrabtree
(24 posts)Don't talk about being SEALS, don't brag about "war wounds" or talk about how badass they are. Real SEALS are the most low key under the radar guys there are. That is their job, doing things that don't happen in places that don't exist
calimary
(81,220 posts)Glad you're here! You nailed it, I think. REAL Navy SEALS do not talk about it. They are indeed the most low-key under-the-radar guys there are. They are the "undercover NOCs" of the Armed Forces. And you don't go swaggering around and bragging about it and talking big-tough-guy if you're one of them. Or if you once were one of them. This guy sounds like a big fat phony. Like a typical hellbent GOPer.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)No offense, but in my experience, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Out of all SOF personnel, I'd have to say that SEALs are some of the most vocal of them all. Don Shipley, Luttrel, Kyle, Ventura, Marcinko, etc, etc, etc; All of whom were unquestionably Navy Seals.
Not saying they don't have a right to be cocky, but Army Special Forces are typically referred to as the "quiet professionals". If you were to apply the term to SEALs around those who served around them or know them in real life, most folks would laugh you out of the room. That is not to say that there are no tight-lipped ones, but in my opinion, they are the exception to the rule.
If you are really concerned about this guy's bona fides, contact Don Shipley. He makes it his life's work to out phoney SEALs. I doubt the man in question is a phony. It is nigh impossible to be so high-profile as a poser and escape the attention of folks who fact check their claims.
http://www.extremesealexperience.com/contact_extreme_SEAL_experience
calimary
(81,220 posts)No offense taken.
People I've known, seen, and heard of - in my own and yes, limited, observation - have been rather tight-lipped about their background, what they did, who they did it with, and whatever details they know. It's not shared and not bragged about - and maybe because I'm a civilian I've never heard it around me. I've known people who, I later learned, had all kinds of intense experience along those lines and very high levels of clearance. And they never talked about it or let on - nor did they lead me to suspect anything.
Granted, I'm absolutely certain you're correct in one regard: the ol' braggadocio effect. Simple human nature. Navy SEALS are the Barons of Bad-Ass among their fellows and the public. And frankly, who wouldn't want to swagger around about that?
Initech
(100,063 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I really should go to bed now...
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)I'm just saying.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)thanks JEFF
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)Reporting a group of black men shot him when they didn't could have gotten someone killed.
DFW
(54,358 posts)Indeed, it's a requirement for even being considered for a position.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Undetermined.
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terry1694
(2 posts)Unfortunately, you will also find that in 2008 the poor guy, who is obviously quite mentally ill, pled not guilty to forging narcotic prescriptions. He was also found to be practicing without a license. (His Physician Assistant license had expired and gone un-renewed.) Previously, he voluntarily left positions at two hospitals to avoid being fired. He did not follow up on urine drug testing or daily communications as ordered by the court because, due to his mercenary responsibilities, he was out of range of communication. Ohio courts and licensing boards have been extraordinarily lenient with him. I understand that just since he shot himself, he is on his third defense attorney? He lives in what looks like almost a mansion, is very handsome and articulate and owns weapons. Overall, a person who is VERY scary and who needs our compassion.
http://med.ohio.gov/formala/50002432.pdf
terry1694
(2 posts)Isnt it interesting how America is so very quick to believe a perpetrator if he or she claims that the crime was committed by a darker-skinned person? Several examples stand out:
(1) Susan Smith from South Carolina, who drove her 3-year and 14-month-old sons into a lake then claimed that a black man had carjacked her vehicle with the children still inside.
(2) Wealthy Bostonian furrier Charles Stuart who, with his brother, shot his tax-attorney wife for the insurance money when she was, I think, nearly 9 months pregnant. He selected a black person from the line-up as the shooter. (The baby was actually delivered after her mother died and lived for 17 more days.)
(3) Casey Anthony, who killed her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, and blamed Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez---and got off.
(4) Jesse Anderson, treasurer of the Lions Club & active at Divine Word Catholic Church, who stabbed his wife Barbara outside a Milwaukee T.G.I. Fridays & blamed two black men, claiming he had snatched a hat from one of them. The store clerk who sold Anderson the hat, as well as the clerks who sold him the fishing knife all came forward.
(5) Ashley Todd, a Pittsburgh volunteer for John McCains U.S. presidential campaign, falsely claimed to have been robbed and beaten by a black man who carved the letter B into her cheek when he saw her McCain bumper sticker. She later confessed to have been trying to throw off the election.
(6) Zimmerman, a Florida man with a gun, murdered a child with Skittles and America seemed to think the fight was fair because the boy, Trayvon, was black.
(7) And now, Christopher Mark Heben.
All kinds of people commit all kinds of crimes for all kinds of reasons. But what is alarming is how quickly their stories are believed when America hears that the "other person" was of a darker hue.