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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:49 AM Sep 2014

Obama Just Made the Ultimate Commitment to Eastern Europe

by DAVID FRUM

Presidents give a lot of speeches, and most of them don’t mean very much. They “urge,” they “call on,” and they “challenge”—and, for the most part, their messages bounce off their intended audiences. Congress doesn’t fund the program or balance the budget; the American people carry on wasting energy and dropping out of school. But there are occasions when presidential words are not mere puffs of breath and waves of sound—and today was one of those occasions.

Ever since Vladimir Putin launched his war on Ukraine, the question has been whether the United States would really act to defend its new NATO allies on Russia’s borders. During the Cold War, the United States stationed a powerful army in West Germany to put force behind its treaty guarantee of European security. Then the Cold War ended. NATO enlarged to include first Hungary, Poland, and the Czech Republic in 1999, then the Baltic republics, plus Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia in 2004, and most recently Albania and Croatia in 2009.

Partly for economic reasons, partly to appease the Kremlin, NATO did not garrison the new member states on Russia’s border. Polish officials would joke that the only uniformed American in their country was the defense attaché at the U.S. embassy, which was an exaggeration, but not by much. They had NATO’s word—America’s word—but not much more than that word. And all of them had to worry: Was that enough?

The worry has intensified since Barack Obama came to power. Eager to prove themselves loyal allies, the new NATO members had cooperated with the United States—and then some—in the first decade of the 2000s. They had sent troops to the Iraq War. They had allowed the CIA to hold and question detainees on their territory. They had accepted a U.S. missile-defense system—even as the U.S. insisted that the system was intended to protect only against Iranian missiles (which didn’t threaten them) and not against Russian missiles (which did).

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/obama-commitment-eastern-europe-russia-nato/379581/

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Obama Just Made the Ultimate Commitment to Eastern Europe (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2014 OP
"One by one, President Obama repudiated the lies Vladimir Putin has told about Ukraine" Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #1
This commitment was made a long time ago Z_California Sep 2014 #2
As an Estonian-American with relatives there, I welcome this LiberalEsto Sep 2014 #3

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. "One by one, President Obama repudiated the lies Vladimir Putin has told about Ukraine"
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:53 AM
Sep 2014
One by one, President Obama repudiated the lies Vladimir Putin has told about Ukraine: that the Ukrainians somehow provoked the invasion, that they are Nazis, that their freely elected government is somehow illegal. He rejected Russia’s claim that it has some sphere of influence in Ukraine, some right of veto over Ukrainian constitutional arrangements. And he forcefully assured Estonians—and all NATO’s new allies—that waging war on them meant waging war on the United States. “[T]he defense of Tallinn and Riga and Vilnius is just as important as the defense of Berlin and Paris and London," Obama said. "Article 5 is crystal clear. An attack on one is an attack on all. So if, in such a moment, you ever ask again, who'll come to help, you'll know the answer: the NATO alliance, including the armed forces of the United States of America, right here, present, now."

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/obama-commitment-eastern-europe-russia-nato/379581/


Good stuff. Otherwise the US might as well quit NATO.
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
3. As an Estonian-American with relatives there, I welcome this
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

But as someone who hates war, it makes me nervous as hell. I don't think Putin is sane. I think he is a megalomaniac. I think if he gets away with things in Ukraine, he will encroach on other neighbors. I think he is willing to risk a major war.

The question is, how do we stop a madman who has nukes?

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