Crimean Leader Promises Brutal Crackdown on LGBT Organizers

[William769]

De facto Crimean leader Sergei Aksyonov has sent an ominous warning that anyone who tries to organize a public LGBT-focused event will have three minutes to decide "what kind of sexual orientation they should stick to," reports Pink News.

Aksynov’s words illutrate the brutal antigay crackdown that human rights advocates feared would follow Russia's annexation of the former Ukrainian province.

"We do not need such people," Aksyonov told Russian news agencies Interfax and Itar-Tass during a government meeting. "Our police and self-defense forces will react immediately and in three minutes will explain to them what kind of sexual orientation they should stick to.”

Aided by pro-Russian forces inside Crimea, Russia's strong-arm takeover of the region this year brought with it the draconian antigay law signed by President Vladimir Putin that forbids promotion of "homosexual propaganda" to minors. Along with the law has come fear and violence for LGBT Crimeans.

http://www.advocate.com/world/2014/09/04/crimean-leader-promises-brutal-crackdown-lgbt-organizers

Russia, spreading the love.

[The Magistrate]

1. Oh, Your Pride Is Just Hurt, Sir...

Seriously: this is what one 'team Putin' stalwart delivered himself of not so long ago....

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

A flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[William769]

2. Jesus Fucking Christ!

To bad not all trash is taken to the curb here. Thanks for the link and I will leave it at that.

[The Magistrate]

5. It Certainly Floored Me, Sir

Even by current standards, it was a stunner....

[stevenleser]

63. Yeah, with allies like that, who needs Focus on the Family...

[conservaphobe]

6. WTF?

[The Magistrate]

8. Doubled Down On It When Called, Sir, Thought It a Useful Contribution....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025459673#post42

"If what I posted in that reply embarrasses anyone . . .

And that embarrassment makes them decide to stop rooting for hostilities between the US/NATO and Russia, I will consider your abuse of no consequence in exchange.

If, on the other hand, no one really feels the way I suggested in my initial reply, so much the better, and I am more than happy to admit the error in my speculations.
A. L."

[hifiguy]

25. I believe that the poster in question

was justly pepperoni'd as a troll.

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. He's still here.

[hifiguy]

29. That is a damn shame.

He has no business being on DU.

[theHandpuppet]

34. I second that motion

Disgusting.

[stevenleser]

68. Best interpretation is they will throw anyone under the bus to oppose the US whenever possible

and that is sad as a best case.

Worst case is that they also hate LGBT anyway so this isn't a conflict for them at all.

[The Magistrate]

70. That They Certainly Will Do, Sir

But I do suspect deeper and more unsavory inclinations motivate a good deal of this....

[MohRokTah]

19. As far as I'm concerned...

any pro-Russia bullshit spewed on DU is tanamout to a direct call for the execution of LGBT people.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. WTF!!! I'm glad a jury didn't hide that; it needs to be a glaring reminder that

some people are willing to sacrifice their last vestiges of humanity in the name of cheap political opportunism.

[NuclearDem]

22. Oh WTF is that?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

30. Geez.

I shouldn't be too surprised though.

[yardwork]

31. Thank you for your support, sir.

It's nice to see you.

[Cha]

33. "Team Putin" has some real denier of human rights in their DU Brigade.. anyone surprised?..

"Every country has a progression with respect to gay rights. Putin AND the Russians still don't believe in it. I am not going hold him responsible for doing what the people want, especially when 6 girls create a riot in public. If these girls would have done that here in 1970, they would have gotten far more time that what was given Pussy Riot in Russia."

Poor poor putin..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5471759

[The Magistrate]

39. Hardly That One's First On That Line, Sir

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=798523

"Or...he's one of, if not the greatest,

leader of our times. He protects his people wherever they are; he throws financial crooks in jail; he maintains a morality that suits the greatest percentage of his people;, and he likes cats."

( some of that real 'Putin love', including an endorsement of anti-gay legislation in Russia )

A jury hid that one....

[Cha]

40. It's Ms.. but, anyway, TM.. that one has drunk the Putin Koolaid and asked for more please..

".. and he likes cats". He just doesn't "like" Human Rights.

How funny a jury hid that one.. must have had 4 jurors who thought it was crazy talk. Rofl.

thanks for that, Magistrate. LOL

[SidDithers]

56. FWIW, that poster has already been banned 4 times at DU...

boomersense: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=309078&sub=trans
plethoro: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=288645&sub=trans
sirthomas66: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=265391
neoralme: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=268911

The tell is signing their posts with "dddd" or "ddddd" or "ddddddd" etc.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017182895#post4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101791969#post2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9729673&mesg_id=9740095
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1239156&mesg_id=1246711

Why the fuck zombies like that are allowed to continue to pollute DU is a mystery.

Sid

[The Magistrate]

58. The Rest Of That Post She Cites, Sir, Is Really Something....

"People are different and viva la difference. I don't talk about gay rights on this board; it is a done legal deal. I talk about them every day on utube with folks far more volatile than the people in. I was in Maui and Lahaina in March. I didn't see any gays so I didn't have a chance to talk to them. Gays and I disgree on one thing and that's what I talk about with them."

One does wonder what that 'one thing' he and 'gays' disagree on, that he talks to them about....

[SidDithers]

59. Indeed...

Sometimes it takes a while to get there, but eventually, the banhammer falls on those who deserve it. I suspect that will be the case again with this poster.

Then they'll create a new account, and the saga will repeat.

Sid

[nomorenomore08]

43. While I may understand the impulse to be "anti-American" (I'm no great patriot myself)

downplaying and dismissing flagrant human rights abuses is beneath any decent, thinking person.

[msanthrope]

44. Holy Crap. nt

[The Magistrate]

50. Indeed, Ma'am

But not atypical of the quality of those upholding that side of this.

Links to flat-out hate sites like 'veterans today' amd 'vineyard of the saker' are routinely employed, for instance.

[MADem]

51. Why is that guy still here?

Didn't anyone hit the button?

That kind of shit is in the TOS-there's no ambiguity. He doesn't want to fight a world war, but he takes no issue with the perspective of the "appropriate" Russian "life-style."

[The Magistrate]

52. It Is A Good Question, Sir

It was alerted on, and a jury sustained it....

[MADem]

54. Hmmm. I suspect the jury didn't read carefully and regarded the comment as

"reportage" rather than "personal opinion."

It's rather cleverly parsed, but my read is that he doesn't have any issue with the hate views, he just doesn't want to go to war over them.

[The Magistrate]

55. The General Tone Of Dismaissal, and 'Lifestyle', Sir, Is The Tell

But I agree it was artfully constructed. Which, when you think of it, is really more damning. A man who carefully goes right up to the line, even leans a little, without quite crossing, certainly knows what he is doing, while someone who charges straight across may really be unaware of what they did wrong....

[MADem]

61. Has anyone asked the admins to take a look? nt

[The Magistrate]

65. I Have Not, Sir

I must suppose they are aware of the situation, as it is stinks to high heaven, and has been evident for some time.

[SidDithers]

57. See my post #56 upthread...

Sid

[MADem]

62. Have you sent this to the admins?

Maybe you should cut/paste that post into a DU mail and ask the question...?

I don't go LOOKING for trouble, but when something stinks I am going to notice--and that stinks on ice!!!!

[SidDithers]

67. I think it's been brought up in MIRT a few times...

Generally, though, if the IP doesn't match, then Admins tend to leave 'em alone.

And it's not hard to spoof a new IP.

Sid

[zappaman]

60. Wow.

Just....wow.

[sheshe2]

3. Aksyonov told Russian news...

"We do not need such people," ...'SUCH PEOPLE?' really? WTF! Oh, he's so cute in the last part of his quote. This is the three minutes they need to beat the crap out of you, only so you understand of course. They call that 'explaining' in Russia.



William~

[William769]

10. I'll give him 3 minutes and I guarantee you, it won't be

All rainbow's & unicorn's (although the unicorn would come in handy if you get my meaning).

[sheshe2]

14. Oh I do William!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. Reporting for duty, sir! nt

[hifiguy]

28. It HAS been done.

Worked well, too.

[NuclearDem]

53. This thread has now been sufficiently bronied.

Well done, sir.

[MADem]

64. ...........

[William769]

66. I am not normally that type of person, but when push comes to shove...

[joeybee12]

4. If it's not in the RT, it can't be true...

KNR

[William769]

7. And people buy into that piece of shit organization.

I refuse to put news in that sentence, because it is anything but news.

[joeybee12]

9. This place scares me at times...nt

[William769]

12. No comment.

[nomorenomore08]

45. Indeed. They don't seem to realize that buying into Putin's propaganda is no better than

buying into that of our own MIC.

[pampango]

11. Hey if Crimea wants to be Russian they have to get with the program.

If I were a gay (or liberal) Ukrainian it would be hard to root for the "let's be more like Russia" folks.

[Blue_Tires]

13. I'm sure some writer out there

will find a way to blame Obama/NATO for this...

[William769]

15. They indirectly already have.

Just follow the links.

[Memo Rodriguez]

16. Civil Rights in Russia leave a lot to be desired

They are decades behind us.

[William769]

17. They were right there with us until pooty poot showed up.

to DU.

[MohRokTah]

18. And there are DUers who have openly supported this happening.

Sickening that DUers supported this brutal anti-LGBT regime.

[NuclearDem]

23. Just absolutely sickening.

I say what I want to say, and I'd get a hide.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. Careful, or you'll be labeled a "DLC gay hugging corporatist" by DU's Putin defense team.

[William769]

36. To late, already happened.

[BainsBane]

49. Because Putin is so leftist

How is it that the ones who claim they are so leftist seem the most not-left?

[MNBrewer]

27. The Fascists are Russian, not Ukrainian.

They are in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and now the Crimea, since the annexation. Not in Kiev.

[joshcryer]

32. Always been the case.

Russia's fascists have a long tradition of support here. You can find posts where posters cheer on United Russia.

Actual neo-nazis marched in Moscow this past May day. They were banned in Kiev of course.

[William769]

37. I understand that.

It's all coming from Moscow.

[Cha]

35. "...Employing the same language homophobic politicians in the U.S..." "..traditional values.." blah

blah blah.

From your link, William..

"Aksyonov provided further evidence of the antigay atmosphere in the meeting. Employing the same language homophobic politicians in the U.S. and elsewhere have used for decades, Aksyonov admonished Crimean parents that they should bring their children up "with a positive attitude to family and traditional values," according to Pink News".

And, of course it did..

"Aided by pro-Russian forces inside Crimea, Russia's strong-arm takeover of the region this year brought with it the draconian antigay law signed by President Vladimir Putin that forbids promotion of "homosexual propaganda" to minors. Along with the law has come fear and violence for LGBT Crimeans."

And, we have Putin Pushers on this board who sign off on this shit..

Thank you, William~ We had a thread around here not too long ago from Kurska asking what was up with all those on DU supporting the Homophobic Dictator, Putin. Didn't go over so well with some as you could imagine.

[William769]

38. Agreed.

[blkmusclmachine]

41. Sounds like our rightwing Evangelicals have been in Russia recently, spreading their hate and

inciting Genocide, like they have in Uganda, Congo, Nigeria, Burma, ...

[William769]

42. Sorry I disagrre with this.

It's all Putin and his history with the KGB. Yes they were there but it was a wated trip, this would have happened no matter what.

[DonCoquixote]

46. expect the Putin cheerleaders to run in

along with the "I work for RT because those mean Yanks won't pay me" types.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. All that's missing is the old "(********) is a decadent Western phenomenon of the bourgeois"....

They used that for blue jeans too.

[Behind the Aegis]

48. I am shocked!

Oh wait...no...no I am not.

[R3druM]

69. Strange...

I don't see Kremlin trolls in this thread....must be waiting for talking points from Moscow.

My guess is: "But America!" "Kiev Junta" "Neo Nazi coup" and of course, the wicked witch of the west - Victoria Nuland. Deny and deflect, their standard MO.

[The Magistrate]

71. If You Do Not Mind, Sir

I thought this deserves a kick up this morning.