Mothers Group Hammers Grocery Chain For Allowing Domestic Terrorists To Wander Their Aisles

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Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, a national gun control group that was formed in the wake of the Newtown mass shooting tragedy, is targeting national grocery chain Kroger with an ad campaign highlighting the company’s lax attitudes towards guns in their stores. This ad campaign comes on the heels of open carry enthusiasts using stores across the nation to hold demonstrations where they walk through the aisles carrying assault rifles while they ‘shop.’ The print ads will run in USA Today, as well as large local newspapers like the Cincinnati Enquirer and Houston Chronicle.

When Moms Demand Action first announced they would be targeting Kroger with a concentrated ad campaign last month, the group highlighted that more than a dozen shootings have taken place on Kroger property in the past two years. The organization’s spokeswoman, Erika Soto Lamb, made the following statement when discussing the dangers customers and employees face in Kroger stores.

This is an extremely valid point and one that cannot be stressed enough. How is an employee, or store security, supposed to react when they see a person, or group of people, walking down the aisles toting a military-style assault rifle? Are they to just assume that if someone is openly carrying a gun in their store that the person poses no threat and is only exercising his or her rights? Furthermore, there is a completely racial element at play here. The feeling is that as long as the person walking around with a large gun is white, maybe wearing a hipster hat or decked out in NRA regalia, then the assumption is that the person is a ‘good guy with a gun.’ However, if it is a black person doing the same thing, then that person is obviously a dangerous criminal. (Heck, a black man could be carrying a toy gun in a store and get shot dead.)

Moms Demand Action’s ad campaign features three separate ads highlighting the store’s policies on who is allowed to enter the store and who isn’t. One ad shows a child with an ice cream cone. Another one shows a man with no short. The third one features a guy with a skateboard. All three ads show one of these people next to another person holding an assault rifle with the caption, “One of them isn’t welcome at Kroger. Guess which one.” the ads are meant to show the disparity between rules at the store affecting people that pose no real danger compared to their policy of allowing people to walk around with guns while shopping.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/04/moms-demand-action-hammers-grocery-chain-allowing-guns-openly-carried-stores.html

[Laelth]

1. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[hifiguy]

2. I am reasonably sure that when you look up "asshat"

in the dictionary, that picture is the definition thereof.

[Initech]

3. How is this acceptable in any country on the planet?

Unarmed black people are gunned down in the streets by police, while insane gun lunatics are openly carrying loaded assault rifles in crowded public places. Something isn't right here.

[napkinz]

4. "For white men it's open carry. For black men it's open season." -- Tom Joyce

more at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025456524

[C Moon]

95. +1

[valerief]

119. +2

[calimary]

135. I'm sorry. I don't care if he's as white as a - um - sheet.

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Knowing what I've observed of these rather insistent folks, I would consider them much more of a menace to public safety. Look at the massacre machine this guy is carrying. What if he gets pissed off? What if he had a big fight with his wife or girlfriend and feels like he has some score to settle to assert (or re-assert) the inviolability of his manhood? What if he had a point to make about his "Divine Right" to carry whatever-the-hell murder machines he felt like carrying and shoving in your face and violating your field of vision and making you fear for your safety versus his sanity and self-control? In any event, this guy is trying to pick a fight. In one way or other. Seems to me most of these HERE!-LIVE-WITH-MY-GUNS!!!-MY-RIGHT-TRUMPS-YOURS!!! demonstrators have that objective: to pick a fight, expressly so they can somehow "prove" that they needed those damn guns to "defend" themselves.

I don't feel safer with guys like this around! Not one bit safer! I feel like I'm in the presence of a ticking time bomb or a powder keg just waiting for somebody to strike a match too close to it. Because this guy - by his very presence DELIBERATELY outfitted like this in a public place - has an axe to grind. And something to prove. As our karate sensei used to say all the time: this is very clearly "with intention." This guy has some point to make. This guy has an agenda. This guy is walking around with a chip on his shoulder the size of Mount Rushmore, just daring somebody to try to knock it off. This is a walking, talking, fully-ARMED and at the ready "go ahead, make my day" billboard. And I don't want guys like him ANYWHERE NEAR ME!!!!!!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

170. ^^^ this^^^ n/t

[SomethingFishy]

254. Now now... you are ignoring the inherent dangers of the produce isle...

and god knows what evils might lurk in the housewares dept.

And we all know how things are in the bakery!

I must carry my rifle as you never know when a bad guy with a gun may jump out from between the Chicklets and the Cheetos to take away my freedom.

[FarPoint]

194. Your words have become reality....

August 5, 2014....Twenty two year old John Crawford was shot and killed inside the Beavercreek Ohio Walmart. He was examining a toy rifle from an open display shelf when some George Zimmerman type called 911 reporting an active shooter......but in reality, Mr. Crawford was shopping. So, while he was leaning on the gun like a cane and taking on his cell phone to the mother of his children, he was gunned down by police. His last words were " it's not real". Mr. Crawford is African American.

[indepat]

5. This smells like the idiotic right-wing insanity

[littlemissmartypants]

6. Kicking. Thank you. nt

[msongs]

7. open carry = automatic threat. stand your ground asap. better safe than sorry etc nt

[calimary]

136. Exactly. They think they've got something to prove. And I'll bet every last one of them

fantasizes EVERY DAY about that great and long-awaited moment when fate finally hands them the chance to prove it. They're a certifiable threat and menace to society.

They're the ISIS of America.

[2pooped2pop]

8. Remain Calm. No one is after your Cheese sticks n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

9. k&r

[krispos42]

10. And the whole article, indeed the whole debate...

...completely ignores the number of people wandering around Kroegers with (legally or illegally) carried handguns concealed on their person. And trust me, those people are a couple of orders a magnitude more numerous than the idiots with the rifles.

I have no objection at all to either a law against open carry in most circumstances, or businesses putting up "no open carry permitted" signs up. But you gross misuse of the term "domestic terrorist" helps neither you nor your cause.

[99Forever]

12. Our "cause" is sanity.

Gun culture's? Not so much.

Times they are a'changin'.

[Gormy Cuss]

25. Open carry in a place where firearms usually aren't seen sure feels like domestic terrorism

and because it intimidates customers, it's an action that seems to meet two of the three characteristics of domestic terrorism as defined in U.S. Code.
I've seen how people react when Open Carry advocates show up en masse to a coffee shop in this area. Most of the customers are looking for an exit strategy.

Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
◾Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
◾Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
◾Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

It's just missing that "violate federal or state law" condition.

[ManiacJoe]

36. It also misses the "appears to intimidate/influence/affect" clause.

[Gormy Cuss]

38. No, it meets it.

At the very least, the point is to influence, and based on how many react, it's clearly intimidating. Mind you, I stated in places where it's not expected like many supermarkets, theaters, restaurants, clothing stores, etc.

Open carry in a gun store/sporting goods store where guns are sold, they would be expected. Ditto for in an area where hunting is permitted.

[ManiacJoe]

39. While some folks may claim to be intimidated,

their fear is not reasonable.

[Gormy Cuss]

42. No, it's a very reasonable fear.

If you live and work where you don't see guns except on cops, it IS intimidating to see someone walking through the supermarket with a large gun slung over his or her shoulder. There have been too many well publicized mass shooting events for people just to shrug that off. In my state open carry advocates have done organized meet-ups to make a statement that it's normal behavior. Obviously, it's not normal HERE or they wouldn't feel the need to stage these events.

[ManiacJoe]

45. No, it is not reasonable.

The only reasonable time a gun needs to be feared is when it is in the hands of a user. Otherwise it is doing thing but collecting dust and rusting.

Carrying a gun and brandishing a gun are two different things.

[Gormy Cuss]

48. Not reasonable to you.

How long does it take to go from the shoulder or holster to firing position? It's not unreasonable to see the potential for that happening and have reasonable fear based on that potential in 21st century America.

I'd rather take my chances with the skateboarder.

[ManiacJoe]

49. We will just have to agree to disagree.

[tridim]

156. Whatever you two decide, I completely disagree with your definition of "reasonable".

And will never agree to your disagreement, because frankly it's insane.

Most people in the world don't feel comfortable around people carrying loaded killing machines and a political agenda.

The fact that you apparently do, is frightening.

[ManiacJoe]

160. Glad we got THAT cleared up.

[smirkymonkey]

175. +1000

Jeezus! I cannot understand the mentality of anyone who thinks that toting around a gun in public is a perfectly sane thing to do. I am so glad I live in the Northeast. I have never seen open carry in a coffee shop, supermarket, etc. and if I did, and the establishment allowed it, I would leave and never come back.

I have grown up in such a way and in such an environment that the sight of guns absolutely horrifies me. Fortunately, I can't remember the last time I have seen one except for when I lived in NYC after 9/11.

[thucythucy]

190. Well, you'll notice

that he self-identifies as a "maniac."

Think about it, someone who calls himself a "maniac" trying to define for us what is "reasonable."

Just about sums up the whole open carry "movement" right there.

[smirkymonkey]

251. You've got a point.

His posts make me feel like I am going insane. Thanks for the dose of sanity.

[alphafemale]

50. The length of time between carrying a gun and killing several people is seconds.

You want us to have faith that all these people are sane.

They do not intend to kill.

[ManiacJoe]

52. Yes, and that would be the same faith I give to you.

[alphafemale]

57. I would not shop at a place that allowed this horse shit.

Concealed carry is a different matter entirely and requires licensing permits.

I'm not going to be in a place where any nutjob with a gun can stroll in unquestioned.

[ManiacJoe]

60. Chances are you already do shop at many places to do allow it.

Most of the USA is open-carry legal. However, most folks are to lazy to do it, so you don't see it much.

[X_Digger]

63. Would you like me to make you a list, so that you can be sure to not shop there?

Careful, you're going to be surprised.

Will you stick to your guns (pun intended) or will you back down? Hehe.

[alphafemale]

65. I will be gone from the establishment the first time I see it.

That is all.

[X_Digger]

86. Wait, now you have to *see* it, not just know that they allow it? Okay, that was fast. ;) n/t

[alphafemale]

89. I would not go back to a place where I witnessed they let anyone stroll in brandishing weapons.

No way in hell.

AND they can put back the groceries in the cart I was intending to buy.

I would leave immediately.

[X_Digger]

91. Quite different than "I would not shop at a place that allowed this horse shit."

When faced with the prospect of having to boycott a lot of places after being informed of them, it suddenly becomes, "I would not go back to a place where I witnessed.."

How conveeeeeenient.

[alphafemale]

193. You see.....this is where gun freaks diverge from reality.

Gun freaks fantasize prepare for that 1/1000000000 of a potential that a threat might potentially happen.

This is why they are always in combat mode and do things like scaring teenagers into a deadly confrontation aka Travis or shoot teen girls dead on their porch who were looking for help.

It must suck to always b afraid.

I would react if a threat ACTUALLY happened.

Like an asshat with a rifle in a supermarket.

[X_Digger]

219. Lol, sucks to be caught out on inconvenient backpedaling, doesn't it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5490781

I would not shop at a place that allowed this horse shit.

Concealed carry is a different matter entirely and requires licensing permits.

I'm not going to be in a place where any nutjob with a gun can stroll in unquestioned.

Versus-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5491047

I will be gone from the establishment the first time I see it.

That is all.

[alphafemale]

221. How is requiring first hand face to face evidence....back pedaling?

I am not so extreme to go up to a store manager and confront them on their policies of letting people stroll around with deadly weapons.

[X_Digger]

225. When I offered to tell you which stores allow it, you changed to requiring seeing it in person.

Ducking like Keanu in the matrix.

[alphafemale]

226. Nope.

[beevul]

238. "Gun freaks fantasize prepare for that 1/1000000000 of a potential that a threat might..."

"Gun freaks fantasize prepare for that 1/1000000000 of a potential that a threat might potentially happen."

Yeah, and gun control folks want to strictly curtail gun rights for the same reason,

[dhill926]

127. I'm with you….

[alphafemale]

67. I will not ever shop in a place again that allows any ass hat to stroll in with a rifle.

On edit. If I see it.

No way.

No FUCKING way.

[RKP5637]

83. Same here! You have no fucken idea who the asshole is. It's totally fucked up for people to

be walking around armed to the hilt like this.

[aikoaiko]

77. Fortunately, in GA you need a GA Weapons License to open or conceal carry.

[alphafemale]

85. Yes. James Holmes should have not had his rights violated.

Should have been able to stroll bold ass in with a gun.

He had to sneak them in.

He had his rights so violated.

[merrily]

54. Not as though accidental shootings are unheard of, either.

The more guns are around, the likelier an accident becomes. And you take your kids to the supermarket.

[ManiacJoe]

59. Most of the so-called accidents are not accidents.

They are negligent shootings. The user pulls the trigger at a time when he did not really intend to. When they get into that mode, you should be calling the cops for the probably illegal behavior in the first place.

[merrily]

61. A distinction without a difference. There is no such thing as a careful accident.

Sorry. That second sentence is not accurate. However, acting negligently is very consistent with having an accident.

[ManiacJoe]

64. Not for the normal definition of accident.

Accidents happen when no one is at fault. Gun accidents involve mostly malfunctioning firearms. When a gun users pulls the trigger, it is either intentional or negligent.

You are probably confused by the common use of "accident" to incorrectly describe most automobile collisions.

[merrily]

69. That is not the correct definition of an accident.

You defined a completely unavoidable accident. Some accidents could have been avoided if people had been more careful.

If you did not intend to kill someone, but you did anyway, that is accidental.

[ManiacJoe]

75. It is not accidental when you perform an intentional act.

Not legally nor commonly.

[merrily]

76. I never said it was.

[ManiacJoe]

79. So now you agree?

[merrily]

80. What kind of discussion technique is that?

I posted that something that you do NOT intend is an accident.

You reply as though I said the direct opposite of what I did say.

So I say, I never said that.

And somehow pointing out that I never said an intentional act = an accident--because I said the opposite-- means I agree with you?

[merrily]

81. Put another way, your reply # 64 still contains an incorrect definiton of accident.

You defined an unavoidable accident, which is only one kind of accident. Other accidents are avoidable.

My reply #69 still contains the correct definition, as shown by the link in my reply 71. Your Replies 75 was out of left field, as was your Reply 79.

Also, you are assuming that an accident would be all about the person carry the gun. I have to imagine that, if the gun toter is focused on shopping and some little kid rushes him or her from behind and tries to grab the gun, bad things might happen, simply because a lot of people should not be toting guns around supermarkets.

[merrily]

71. .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident

[kcr]

97. That's okay then. The bullet holes caused by negligent shootings

aren't as bad as the ones caused by accidents. Phew!

[DebJ]

139. Yep, I'm waiting for the 4 year old boy running through the store giggling

with a sibling and he slides into the gun or the man with the gun and kaboom.

The Maniac carrying the gun wouldn't give a shit.

[Abq_Sarah]

92. Last time I checked

The aisles of Kroger weren't exactly running with blood.

[alphafemale]

94. Neither is Bullets and Burgers....well shit.

Well...what's a few deaths?

Not important!

[U4ikLefty]

102. Neither are Colorado movie theaters.

[DebJ]

145. They also aren't full of threats requiring a gun.... not to a reasonable person.

[DebJ]

144. I'm fearful of why this person thinks he needs to carry a gun at all.

Clearly he sees danger around ever corner.

That's called paranoia.

Paranoid people do unreasonable things with guns, attacking non-existent threats.

[smirkymonkey]

252. Exactly! What is this NEED to carry a gun?

And how did I get this far in life without one? Seriously, wtf?

[robbob]

161. So when Harris and Klebold walking into Columbine carrying guns

there was no reason to be concerned. It was only when they started shooting that fear became reasonable?

A ridiculous comparison, I know, but my point is how is one to tell a well intended open carry advocate who is making a political point about his beliefs from a random psychopath who is just waiting for the right moment to begin shooting?

[ManiacJoe]

162. I agree, that is a ridiculous comparison.

I would think that you would discern the gun carrying psychopath from the gun carrying normal person the same way you would discern the two when neither is carrying a gun.

However, the psycho having the gun might make the decision a bit easier in that he probably will have the gun in his hands.

[robbob]

165. Ummm, the guy in the photo DOES have his gun in his hands.

And he looks a bit deranged to me. Sorry, I live in a not-insane country called Canada where the idea of people walking around in a grocery story carrying this kind of weaponry would be considered ridiculous.

[ManiacJoe]

166. No, the rifle is slung over his shoulder.

WA is a open carry state. You don't see much of the rifle carrying here either; it gets giggled at when we do see it.

[WinkyDink]

206. His hand is on the firing mechanism.

[sarisataka]

213. You don't really know

Where the trigger is, do you?

[hack89]

214. No - the closest body part to the trigger is his elbow. nt

[WinkyDink]

205. Bwahahaha! You think you can spot a psychopath by LOOKING?! Calling Ted Bundy!

[WinkyDink]

207. Are you insisting that "fear" should kick in ONLY when a rifle is

actually AIMED at one?

And BTW: The guy in the OP looks like "a user."

[ManiacJoe]

237. Only aimed, no.

Ready to use, yes.

[pnwmom]

242. Any gun that is carried openly is ready to use in seconds.

That's not enough time for people to react.

[pnwmom]

241. The difference between carrying a gun and brandishing one is less than five seconds.

That's not enough difference for most reasonable people.

[cui bono]

99. Bullshit. Their fear is absolutely reasonable.

Just look at all the killings in this country.

And I would be willing to bet half of the open carry assholes like that idiot in the OP's pic are doing it just to intimidate and show people they can't be fucked with. To be afraid of macho men who feel the need to shove their assault rifles into our society is the most reasonable reaction there could possibly be.

[Live and Learn]

104. You don't think anyone should be intimidated by someone that

is so obviously paranoid and fearful that he feels the need to carry a rifle and had his hand ready to fire it?

I would think, either he has a good reason to be paranoid (like someone is after him) or he is in desperate need of psychiatric help. In either case. there is nothing in the store that I need badly enough to have to deal with either problem.

[marions ghost]

129. +++++

the need to carry a lethal weapon into a grocery store is a indicator of a problem in itself. Either a mental problem in many individuals, or indicating a breakdown of civilized society.

I was once threatened by someone who was elderly, on mind altering meds, and not "supposed to carry a gun." My negligent death would have been labeled an "accident."

Those of us who choose not to carry guns around should not be held hostage by those who do.

This IS a form of domestic terrorism.

[ManiacJoe]

163. "had his hand ready to fire it"

Yes, that would be a problem. Both tactically for us and legally for him. Fortunately, that is not the discussion at hand.

[MattBaggins]

216. Their fear is perfectly reasonable.

[smirkymonkey]

250. Are you serious?

What about being afraid of someone toting a gun around in a public place is not reasonable?

I don't know where you are from, but where I am from it pretty much freaks people out. Fortunately, it it not a common occurrence.

[freebrew]

117. Not in MY gun store...

if I work on a weapon someone brings into my place, it better not be loaded when they bring it in.
Too many times I've opened a case to find the weapon being stored with a round chambered.
Not safe nor is it good for the weapon.

Idiots wandering around town with semi-auto weapons, trying to prove some manhood point.
I guess the point being they can and black people can't.

They have no clue about anything but fear. Fear of everything spouted off in the NEW$.

It's a problem that could be solved with an IQ test?
Oh, then cops couldn't carry.
(smilies? really?)

[Gormy Cuss]

125. Oh, you went ahead and said it.

I guess the point being they can and black people can't.

I have lots of friends and relatives who hunt, some who collect guns, some LEOs or in security, and some who can't articulate any reason other than "exercising their 2A rights" That last group? Mostly people afraid of people with a tad too much melanin in the skin.

Carrying a loaded weapon means you are ready to use it. Maybe not at today's visit to Kroger's but some day. If you're lucky you won't use it "by accident" and maim or kill someone.

[DebJ]

138. You've got to be kidding there! Completely intimidating, frightening

[ManiacJoe]

164. See post #87 for a good explanation.

[DebJ]

173. No, Maniac, it is not. Perhaps YOU wouldn't feel fear, but many

of us would. Especially those of us with children. Not fear of the gun, but fear
of a person who feels a need to carry one like that.

[Doctor_J]

222. why DO you think that these people are walking around in grocery stores

with military-looking rifles?

[ManiacJoe]

236. Good ergonomics explains the "military looking" part.

As to why the rifle, it would mostly likely be a political statement as carrying a rifle is not convenient for day-to-day tasks. You would have to ask them to get the real reason.

[Doctor_J]

243. They are doing it to terrorize the other people in the store

Hence the designation

[krispos42]

43. Well, then, I'm sure OWS will be glad to know they also were 2/3rds "domestic terrorists".

I'm not going to defend the idiots running around strapped with rifles and shotguns while on errands, so if you're going to look for that fight, look someplace else.

I will point out, however, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth and petitions, there have been ZERO incidents when a guy with a rifle on his back decides to spontaneously take out a grocery store while shopping for breakfast cereal.

[Gormy Cuss]

46. You may have noticed that I made it clear that it didn't meet the definition

but that intimidation is one of the characteristics of domestic terrorism legally. As for the "hasn't happened yet" argument, that could be said not that long ago about shootings in movie theaters and American grammar schools too.

[krispos42]

58. I did notice

The definition is very broad; a legacy of BushCo, most likely. It conveniently makes pretty much any political or social campaign 2/3rds terrorism. Boycotting Hobby Lobby? 2/3rds terrorism. Yay, freedom, and all that jazz.


The difference is, of course, that if a person decides to get a gun out of his safe, drive down to the nearest supermarket or cinema or school, and open fire on random innocent people until stopped, then statements of corporate or school policy is going to be worth far less than the signs they are printed on.


I understand that it is, at least, visually, disturbing and at least moderately disruptive, which is why I think state law restricting open-carry would be a good idea.

Can it be done without being part of a larger gun-control bill that contains useless pandering provisions that put Republicans in power?


That's up to your side, I think.

[Gormy Cuss]

90. I don't think you know what my side is. n/t

[DebJ]

140. So why can't men open carry their genitals, too? I mean, its not like that means they

are actually intending to rape someone. I'd feel much less threatened if they just
let them open carry their man-parts.

[Crunchy Frog]

231. I think we all know why they're not agitating for THAT right. n/t

[Mojorabbit]

74. It gives them attention

I am for ignoring them personally. Quickest way to end the behavior. Shrug.

[onehandle]

84. The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear. Open carry instills fear.

Domestically.

[krispos42]

87. I think you mean "discomfort".

Indignation, perhaps. Unease. Exasperation.


I don't see people streaming out of Kroeger's screaming and panicked. Reaction of bystanders to Boston Marathon Bombing ≠ reaction of shoppers to a guy in the produce aisle picking out tomatoes with a rifle on his back.


Nice of you to assume that everybody is a delicate flower, though. Like many other social behaviors, people like to work themselves up into a lather over THE VERY IDEA OF _______________ . Until it does happen, at which point society often collectively goes "meh" and moves on with business.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

113. No, actual fear

I would feel, quite reasonably, that there is an excellent chance this man is an armed robber or perhaps a domestic terrorist.

And what kind of arsehole feels it necessary to be armed with an assault rifle in the grocery store?

[DebJ]

142. No, for me it would be fear, most particularly if I had small children with me.

You never know when a young un might get giddy and start scooting about the store,
even a normally quiet child. And scoot right into the gun.

Would some one please tell me WHY people want to open carry? I haven't seen that question
asked or answered. It's always Why Not?

[LiberalLovinLug]

146. Are you kidding?

The whole point is to intimidate.




You don't have to be a "delicate flower" to be intimidated by a total stranger entering the store you are in from the only exit armed to the teeth with a semi-automatic.

[Enrique]

103. the rhetoric turns it into a culture war

I think the NRA benefits from it being a culture war.

[Eleanors38]

178. Like un-alloyed gold. nt

[ncjustice80]

111. Domestic terrorist ia appropriate.

Gun humping tea partiers are a graver threat than any terrorist from overseas.

[Arugula Latte]

134. Yep. The goal of a terrorist is to incite terror and that is accomplished both by

an extremist with a philosophical agenda and by some dumbass yahoo who wants to carry an external penis enhancer around his grocery store to feel like a big man. How the hell is anyone to know what the intentions are of anyone walking around with a gun in public? These posters saying the fear is unreasonable seem to have lost their grip on reality. The effect is always menacing.

I feel like we've gone down the rabbit hole in this country with this gun nuttery.

[krispos42]

184. Only because they vote for Republicans

And the vote for Republicans because, in part, Democrats that are intentionally, perpetually and proudly ignorant of how guns work while continually trumpeting "common sense" laws call them "gun-humping domestic terrorists".

You're not making them dislike guns; you're making them dislike YOU.

This is not to say both sides do it; snippets posted here from tea-party cesspools make it clear the favors are returned.


But conservative economic, social, and judicial theory are a far graver threat to the people of this country than ISIS. And when your side embarks on a "culture war" that pushes voters into the arms of the GOP at a much higher rate than is pushes non-gun owners into the Democratic fold, our progressive agenda stalls. Addressing the ROOT cause of so many social ills is put aside because your side's fanatical focus on hardware puts the GOP in power and keeps them there.

[ncjustice80]

196. If you are the kind of guy that feels the need to take a machine gun shopping, we dont need you.

[krispos42]

217. I refer you to comments I made previously in this thread. N/t

[beevul]

239. What do "machine guns" have to do with this thread or this discussion? N/T

[DebJ]

137. How about domestic bully? Because that is the attitude. Like a bully

who struts down the block and gets up close in the little kids faces and grins at them.

[WinkyDink]

204. Frankly, that guy DOES terrorize me.

[beevul]

240. ^^^ Terrible hide.

I guess the truth hurt so much it needed to be hidden.

[WinkyDink]

244. The deleted post was completely illogical. Like a RIFLE is the equivalent of any of his scenarios.

[beevul]

255. "Illogical" is the new metric to hide a post?

"Illogical" is the new metric to hide posts?

Or just "some" posts?


Additionally, if you honestly think that post is illogical, then clearly, You do not understand the message.

I doubt that that is the case, however.

[Scuba]

11. ...

[SoapBox]

21. I'm getting these popping up on the USA Today site.

[smirkymonkey]

253. Excellent ads!

Thanks for posting!

[Fred Sanders]

13. This would also be a great cross post in the gun control forums. Overrun with NRA types.

The pictures are just plain freaky...is this America because these photos going around the world is going to scare the bejesus out of would be travellers...and for good reason.

[sarisataka]

18. It is posted

But in GCRA; that is probably why you missed it.

[Fred Sanders]

24. No, it is not, maybe my browser is not seeing it?

[sarisataka]

28. It's not the exact same article

but covers the same campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627271

[Fred Sanders]

30. Thanks. This OP has a much catchier headline. Have we stumbled upon plagiarism?

[RKP5637]

109. I've known quite a few people that refuse to visit America, they think it is a far too

dangerous place even to visit, that the chance of getting killed is far too great, especially if not a white person. We give a pretty freaky worldview of what America is like. That said, there are certain states I will not even drive through. ... or if I must, that I only have to stop for gas a minimal number of times. I also used to love rural areas, now, I'm very cautious. Sadly, this is the America I see today.

[EX500rider]

167. Statistically speaking we are not even in the top 100 for country homicide rates.

Much more dangerous places to visit, in including destination vacation spots like Jamaica.

[RKP5637]

176. Interesting! Thanks for the chart!!! n/t

[Bigmack]

177. This chart is supposed to make me feel good???

Weed out the countries not anything like us and you get a different picture.

Western democracies like Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc have half the homicide rate we do.

Jamaica and Guatamala....gimme a fucking break!

[marble falls]

14. A whole new twist to "clean-up on aisle twelve!" I've quit my church when I found out they had....

armed several folks to "guard" the flock with glocks. We don't need arming. We need disarming - including at least an arms reduction and downgrading with city and county police.

The last three or four years has certainly evolved my attitude about firearms.

[RKP5637]

107. Same here! See my post #106. I have the same feelings now too! n/t

[joeybee12]

15. This is effing nuts...knr

[panader0]

16. Kick

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Vote on this MSNBC poll!!!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/moms-demand-action-kroger-print-ads

[il_lilac]

40. Needs some DU love

only 30% against guns in store

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. To be fair, the poll is about handguns and not war toys.

[VScott]

51. Thanks for the link

Voted "Yes".

I was considering posting the link to the poll to a few pro 2nd amendment forums,
but, judging from the numbers, it looks like that's been taken care of already.

Maybe I will anyways just to be certain.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

62. I suppose that's supposed to make me regret posting it....

I have confidence that the gun nuts are a tiny minority in this country and will LOSE eventually.

[VScott]

78. No, but thanks for the link anways.

[valerief]

121. That's a fucked-up poll. 79% pro-gun? I smell bot votes. nt

[Gormy Cuss]

124. All self-selection polls are meaningless.

Tomorrow it could be turned in the opposite direction.

Recent polls using statistically sound sampling methods generally show a slight to moderate lean against such open carry.

[Eleanors38]

181. True. Only suggest who has a real movement. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

128. Free Republic used to "Freep" polls....

They'd clear cookies and some guys had multiple computers.

Is it any wonder they believe in voter fraud?

[steelsmith]

149. 81% of the people

responding, at least understand the constitution.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

159. The QUESTION was NOT about war toys. It was about hand guns.

[steelsmith]

198. And?

Why are you repeating that to me? I said nothing about "war toys" whatever they are. Contrary to popular belief among the anti gun types, you cannot buy "war toys" at the local gun store. The question was about handguns, and the poll vote was in line with the thinking of the vast majority of the public who understand the concept of self defence.
I personally would not carry an AR platform rifle into a store, but I also can understand the reason not to leave a $2000 weapon out in the trunk of a car in the parking lot. I also can almost understand the point of carrying a rifle as a form of demonstrating support for your rights, although I neither condone or support it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

234. I call them "war toys" because gun nuts nitpick about "assault rifle"....

You know,....just to bring it down to their level.

[thucythucy]

19. This is incredible.

Presumably, skateboards aren't allowed in the store because someone might be injured.

But a loaded assault weapon? No problem.

Excellent campaign. Hope it gets a lot of people thinking.

[RKP5637]

105. Seeing this, neither I nor any of my family will ever step foot in one of

their stores even if they ban them. To me, it demonstrates what mentality is heading up the stores. They might ban guns for profit, but the mentality will still be there.

[sarisataka]

20. Not a fan

Of open carry, but I am curious why you changed the title of the article?

[951-Riverside]

22. Is that Matt Drudge? n/t

[heaven05]

23. Man!

that brown man in the white house surely scared a bunch of people who are afraid of losing their self perceived supremacy and privilege, didn't he? This culture let their crazy out from under the rocks and loosed it from the swamps cause of President Barack Hussein Obama. Hate radio and fux news has created a monster and the genie cannot be put back into the bottle until these gun nutters know all people ARE NOT intimidated by their lunacy and don't have to put up with this BS!

[marions ghost]

131. "Hate radio /fux have created a monster"

--is that ever the Truth.

[randome]

26. All gun-toters like this do is advertise how afraid they are all the time.

It must be disheartening to know you can't survive on your wits alone. Hell, you can't even shop without being afraid.

Cowards.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[RKP5637]

110. Exactly! n/t

[the_sly_pig]

27. Ahhh Texas.

When I argue with my gun-nut buddy I keep asking him how we're supposed to know who is sane and who is not. Of course he has no answer. I conclude that his right to live in fear trumps my right to feel safe.

Nutzo gun owners fearing the government gloss over the fact that military weaponry can kill you from miles away. Gun owners fear of their fellow citizens and the crimes they commit are compounded by the constant reminder of crime on television.

The only option here is to no longer shop at Krogers. Unfortunately most gun owners are represented by the clown in this picture.

[Oktober]

123. Assuming that you are correct...

... and fear is the motivating factor for everyone with a gun (a mighty large assumption I think)...


Why is your fear more important that their fear?

[DebJ]

147. Because it is more reasonable to think that the person with the gun

is NOT going to be attacked by a can of mandarin oranges or a little boy and his Mom.

And it is quite reasonable for the Mom to think that someone so paranoid that they need
to carry a gun among apples, oranges, milk bread and children, and senior citizens in
motor scooter cards, isn't of sound enough mind to comprehend what a real threat is,
and could do anything with that gun based on the paranoia that controls their lives.

[Oktober]

148. I suspect they would say the equal and opposite thing...

... and point to incident rates per capita etc.. etc...

Plus they have law on their side.

[DebJ]

150. Yes, let them point out how many people in grocery stores have

been attacked. Will show how completely paranoid they are.

It's also not illegal for me to park all of my vehicles in front of my neighbors house,
and many other things I could do to be a bully, to be uncivil, and to try to provoke
someone else or make them fearful.

When people act like paranoid a**holes, they need to be told. And possibly medicated.

[Oktober]

152. I suspect the answer is that you have your first amendment right...

... to "tell them" and they have their second amendment right to carry their arms.

Everyone gets the chance to say their piece and as long as no one gets physical, against which we have many laws, all is well.

I don't think anyone has a right not to be scared, especially at the expense of someone else.

[DebJ]

174. There is a difference in the 'expense'. The 'expense' of the gun carrier is

that he feels offended. Big deal. Grow up.

The person on the wrong end of that gun could lose their life, their vision, their arm, the ability to walk, etc.

[Oktober]

179. Of course we already have laws against all the violent acts that you listed...

... and if someone is willing to commit them why would they conform to any other rules about where they can and cannot bring a weapon.

"Gosh, I really thought about going crazy and murdering X at Walmart, Target, whatever but they won't allow me to carry me weapon in the store"

I would also suggest that their counter would be that if an emergency came about, rare but possible, they might not be able to defend themselves and lose their life vision, arm or ability to walk. Both of you are concerned about the potential actions of another.

[DebJ]

229. Why would they conform? Because they would be thrown out of the store. Simple.

I like it.

So put a small revolver in your pocket or purse if you are that paranoid when you go shopping. My goodness,
what a horrible, horrible life perspective to think one is threatened every minute of every day in every place!
What a terrible curse! Better off dead!

But no need to be threatening others with a clearly visible gun.

As I said before, I'd prefer open carry of genitals. Much safer. And more interesting.

[DebJ]

230. There is no expense for them. They can put a gun in a pocket or purse, rather than

brandishing it. I have yet to hear why they feel this is necessary. Because they have fantasies of being
a modern Samurai warrior or something? Insane. Ridiculous. Paranoid.

And threatening, bullying.

[Lonusca]

247. Here's just a few

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-grocery-store-shooting-police/story?id=21551824

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-charged-random-grocery-store-shooting-3-men/nQ9q4/?__federated=1

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1999/jun/04/floyd-described-as-sweet-guy-with-violent-streak/

PS - I am not a fan of open carry.

[the_sly_pig]

154. Hence the self-fulfilling prophesy....

"Per capita" might mean more in Chicago than it does in a dusty Texas town. Additionally, violent crime rates have influences. As a suburbanite my chances of being a victim of violent crime are drastically reduced compared to those that engage in a variety of illegal activity.

Philosophically, there is no way to prevent violent crime. If Clowny McClownerton in the picture above thinks his AK is going to prevent him from being killed, he is mistaken. This sad soul wants to be viewed as a threat. He is a citizen of the United States surrounded by other citizens of the United States who he fears. He also needs to threaten his fellow citizens by bringing a loaded semi-auto into a grocery store. This speaks volumes about what kind of person he is; paranoid and aggressive. Just the kind of person that should not be allowed to own guns.

As far as the bastardization of the 2nd Amendment, and as a gun owner, we'll have to agree to disagree.

*edit 'needs' to 'wants' for clarification.

[Oktober]

172. I usually place them in the same category as the Westboro assholes.

Assholes exercising a right in a manner that most find distasteful.

In the same way it's easy to fight for speech we agree with these fringe folks get theirs at the expense of others but that is better than the alternative.

[Cha]

29. Thank you, onehandle

[Ikonoklast]

31. CoD Cosplayers.

[blkmusclmachine]

32. Hadn't heard much about gun totin' far rightwing crazy nuts today.

[Pharaoh]

33. They only carry machine guns

because they have very small penises.........

[IronGate]

100. And of course, the obligatory penis insult.

BTW, none of those are machine guns, they're semi auto rifles, the technology has been around for over a century.

[marions ghost]

133. If you're an insecure under-socialized male,

an intimidating gun makes a very good penis extender. Works too. Instant respect.

Definitely a connection if you get that power is gained by the use of symbols of power. Penis and gun are equated in the primitive concept of manliness.

Most honest gun owners will see the connection.

[DebJ]

143. Well with lack of any other sane reason to walk around the store that way

one is left bereft of a better explanation.

Someone never told these people there aren't any monsters under the bed
or in the closet.

[Pharaoh]

227. looks like an AK 47

don't know much about guns, but thought that might fit the machine gun definition,

whether it's auto semi auto, you don't need an assault weapon to go to Krogers, unless your a dim witted moron...........

[IronGate]

232. Pretty much can guarantee that's not an AK-47,

Automatic weapons in civilian hands are tightly controlled in the US and are expensive as hell.

I agree, he's a dim witted moron, concealed carry is much less disruptive.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

201. Since all guns...

...are machines, aren't all guns machine guns?

[hack89]

215. Would you call a shotgun a machine gun?

would you expect anyone else to call it that?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

218. I wouldn't...

...but then I wouldn't call an AR a machine gun either.

[Cleita]

34. It's going to take many shoppers telling the store managers that they won't

shop there if other shoppers are brandishing firearms.

[mrdmk]

35. I think they had it right in the Old West

The town marshal would collect all guns when anybody would enter the town with one. (period)

[IronGate]

101. Very few Old West towns did that,

and only in the respectable part of town, guns were allowed in the red light districts of those few towns that did forbid guns in town limits.

[JohnnyRingo]

37. I have guns...

I'll go so far as to say I like guns, but there's something fundamentally wrong with that guy.

I was in the local Sparkle Market here last winter when I encountered my first experience with a guy who had a holstered sidearm. I was deeply offended that he felt he had a need to be so equipped in my peaceful hometown. I made certain he saw me shake my head in disgust. I was hoping he said something about my anti-gun stance so I could reference my collection of Colts. I'm just not a dick about it.

If I saw someone like that asshole in the picture, I absolutely wouldn't be able to hold my tongue. I'm sure I'd strongly advise a psychological evaluation. At least.

[aikoaiko]

41. Beating up on Kroger. There's an important win for restrictionists.

The guy with the rifle is an asshat, I'll agree to that.

[Omaha Steve]

47. Check this out too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025490394

[janlyn]

53. Is it just me, or does anyone else

think that douche has his finger on the trigger?

[NYC_SKP]

55. How hard would it be to plant people into places in advance of a high profile campaign?

How low will Bloomberg, aka "Stop and Frisk" former mayor of NYC, go in his obsession?

None of these people look like real gun nuts, and I find it odd that such high definition photos conveniently show up in advance of a Kroger or Target campaign.

Here's what Kroger says at the moment:

Kroger Mid-Atlantic has released the following statement in regards to Sunday night's incident:

"Our policy in regards to guns in our stores is to comply with the state and local laws. The safety of our customers and our associates is always first and foremost as we run our business.

We treat each situation individually, based on the circumstance. In this case it was alarming and frightening to our customers and associates due to recent events.

Several of our customers dialed 9-1-1 and our store team's reaction was reasonable and understood."

I think their position is a solid one, and that people who carry guns into stores like that are assholes.

But I also resent Bloomberg and others for their intimidation tactics.

They should start by being honest.

[sarisataka]

70. His finger is on the trigger

only if he has a finger on his elbow. The trigger is behind the magazine, not at the end of the fore grip.

[Nye Bevan]

56. OK. That is the quintessentially "only in America" picture of the day.

You know what Europeans think when they look at this kind of picture? And they are absolutely correct.

[ReRe]

66. Dudes are entering the wrong stores....

... with their long guns. Moms are going to get 'em for that. All they have to do is go home and tell their hubbies that a scarey man pointed his uzzi at them in the drug store, grocery store, wherever it was.

[Stellar]

68. So, I haven't heard of one them being shot by the cops..accidentally

[blackspade]

120. What a pack of nimrods....

[pansypoo53219]

72. why isn't he in iWaq?

[dflprincess]

73. Just once I'd like to see pictures of the open carry asshats

walking into a bank or a federal building or, best of all, a biker bar.

No, instead these idiots make their stands at casual restaurants or grocery stores where they can intimidate people out with their kids and they can be pretty sure that none of the employees are armed.

[marions ghost]

132. good point

they do it to intimidate. And this is OK?

[ManiacJoe]

158. If you brush up on your firearm laws,

you will then understand why you don't see the pictures you desire.

[dflprincess]

188. You mean there are laws that restrict where they can carry?

And, for some reason, they aren't out protesting that those laws are a violation of their rights? Yet they become rabid at the suggestion they shouldn't be allowed to take their guns into Target or Chili's?

I wonder why.

[ManiacJoe]

189. Some of the current restrictions make sense.

Some of the desired restrictions of others, not so much.

[dflprincess]

191. Oh please

And carrying a gun around Target makes sense?

[RKP5637]

82. If I saw an asshole like this in any store, any public situation I would be the hell out of there.

Who is to say this guy or one like him is not the next mass shooter. Just WTF type of individual is so insecure so scared they have to parade around like this.

[onehandle]

88. Department Of Homeland Security: 202-282-8000

What good are they for, otherwise?

[Abq_Sarah]

93. I'm pretty sure it's not their job

To educate callers on the rights of firearms owners.

[RKP5637]

108. 911 would be of little help, probably a cop's buddy. Our laws IMO regarding firearms are

ridiculous. The 2nd amendment was for different times, different people, different era.

[Enthusiast]

96. Hey, NRA fucks, you have lost your minds?

Common sense....ever hear of it?

[Live and Learn]

98. There is no way I would shop in a store where people have guns

in full display. If I knew anyone had a gun at all I wouldn't shop there.

[RKP5637]

106. Years ago, I was somewhat neutral on the gun debate, although, I never liked the idea

of guns all over the place. Now, it's evident more and more how irresponsible and dangerous so many gun owners are, and what fools many are. Today, I think we need very strict control of guns in the US. Watching these fools in action is what has changed my mind, so many demonstrate they are not responsible gun owners.

[marble falls]

114. I've done almost a complete 180. Its not the guns, its the idots and there's just too many idiots.

Public safety trumps an absolute interpretation of the 2nd amendment. Concealed carry is wrong period. And publicly packing in grocery stores, bars, schools, restaurants is crazy. Disarm the crazy. Disarm anyone with any record of domestic violence.

[ieoeja]

122. I've done exactly a complete 180.

I left the NRA because of the "black helicopter" and "three-strikes" bullshit. But still supported Right to Keep.

I was somewhat neutral on Right to Keep and Bear.

I was definitely against the Right to Keep and Bear Everywhere.

And when the argument shifted to Right to Keep, Bear and Kill, I was just plain aghast. Also, treating guns like toys and the constant paranoia has seriously pissed me off. I have relatives who won't walk into the woods unarmed where I used to play as a small child because "it's too dangerous." Which begs the question:

How did squirrels get so mean?

[marble falls]

195. They were forced to discriminate between nuts and the gun nuts.

[TNNurse]

112. The idea is

That we are supposed to assume that anyone who walks around armed (either open or concealed) is one of the "good guys". I used the words "good guys" as gender neutral here.

So everyone we might see walking into a store, restaurant, gas station or church carrying a weapon is there for food, gas or worship????? Really????

How is it that you are supposed to know which armed stranger is good or bad???? It sure as HELL better not be because of skin color!!!!

[Paladin]

115. The open carry movement is a premier example of White Privilege. (nt)

[Eleanors38]

182. Yeah, the HPN Gun Club is quite premier!

[Paladin]

183. The exception which proves the rule. (nt)

[Eleanors38]

187. Both races are in the OC "minority." nt

[Paladin]

197. I'll keep that claim in mind, as to the next few OC events which make the news.

In particular, the sort of law enforcement attention which is focused on white OC groups vs. black OC groups (if any).

[Eleanors38]

199. Please do. The last HPN GC event was in late July.

In case you missed it. It wasn't their first.

[Paladin]

200. I'm sure that pro-gun militants are giving the HPN GC plenty of positive attention. (nt)

[Eleanors38]

211. Actually, no. In fact, few gave the Gun Club ANY attention.

It didn't fit the narrative to do so. It was quite a surprise to DUers when they did find out; you could smell the smoke of ideological short-circuits. But that outfit's been around for a while.

[get the red out]

116. Good!

These guys are showing up at a Kroger store where I live now. How are we supposed to differentiate between them and someone robbing the store? They might even be more dangerous than an armed robber who is after money and then gets the hell out.

[Vinca]

151. If I happened to be shopping I would immediately leave the store.

If your cart is full, drop it off at the service desk and tell them people buying bread while armed to the teeth are frightening and you're out of there. We have a local hardware/building supply store that had a problem with open carry people and they've posted a "no guns allowed" sign so I still shop there.

[get the red out]

153. Arguing with the guy

A good friend of mine actually argued with the guy who told her he was exhibiting his "God given right" to open carry. I wish she hadn't done that but was glad she lived to tell the story.

If I see one of these guys, I'll definitely go tell the manager, and if that gets nothing then leave my cart. I'll put it to them that how do they know they are not about to be robbed? It's happened at Kroger. A lady I used to work for and her son were among customers told to lie on the floor during a grocery store robbery, scared them to death. It's a thin line to try to differentiate between a winger with a gun and a robber with a gun. Anyone around here that thinks the difference is race doesn't watch the local news much. Kroger is walking this line at it's own risk in a lot of ways.

[frylock]

118. hipster douchebag

[WinkyDink]

209. Really? He looks like an unhip and unironic refugee from 1956 to me.

[HoosierCowboy]

126. Call the Police

...and report man with a gun enough times and see what happens. "911-I just saw a man with a gun enter so and so store". They can't get you for falsely reporting because you did see a man with a gun. When the police can't distinguish between open carry and a robbery, this crap will stop.


But like with all morons, nothing will happen until someone gets hurt.

Probably the worst part of this story is that most of the open carry crowd have never had the proper training to handle a firearm, military or otherwise.

..and by the way, there are stores in open carry states, mainly in inner cities, where this knucklehead, white or black, would get shot the second he walks in. I call it "The Open Carry Darwin Award".

[sarisataka]

130. That goes well

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart

[ncjustice80]

155. Thats only becuase he was black.

I wouldnt call on a black man doing it b/c I know the police are just itching to murder one. The d bag at the top of this post? Oh you bet I am gonna call, and I hope he gets arrested for something. At a minimum, its disturbing the peace imo.

[kentauros]

157. That one in the hat needs to be shamed for his hat alone.

Which is pretty easy to do, thanks to the great Rodney Dangerfield:

[arikara]

168. Is the US the only country in the world that allows nuts

to pack any guns, let alone military style assault weapons around in public? For no reason at all? In Canada you need a permit to own a pistol and assault type weapon. To carry them from point a to point b, you need a special permit which issued by the police for that event only. Hunting and target rifles need to be kept secured and unloaded with ammunition also secured and not kept in the same place as the gun. Nobody ever walks around grocery shopping with weapons hanging off their bodies.

[sulphurdunn]

169. I don't like AKs.

I spent a year of my life with people trying to kill me with AKs. I'm getting old, maybe a bit senile. I might see a butt clown like this guy in my neighborhood Kroger, flash back, see him as the enemy, get up close and personal and beat the fucker bloody with a bottle of his Gatorade while his AK is uselessly slung over his sissy ass punk shoulder. Yes, Alice, I really hate these stupid limp dick gun fuckers.

[cwydro]

171. WHY

does anyone need to carry a rifle to the grocery store?

[Eleanors38]

180. These local news items will probably stop when/if

the Texas legislature passes OC for handguns. I favor neither OC Texas, nor the Huey P. Newton Gun Club openly carrying, but they have that right, and Neither has shot or been shot by anyone. OC Texas is using the long guns "exception" as a ploy to get concealed-carry.

In a sense, gun controllers have a somewhat abstract question to answer: Do you favor OC of handguns, or OC of long guns? Abstract outside of Texas.

[onehandle]

185. I favor no 'carry' of any weapons in public, open or otherwise.

The 'old west' is history.

204 recs, BTW.

[Eleanors38]

186. You will have to live with what you don't favor. nt

[ncjustice80]

224. Their "right" is bullshit and needs to be taken away imo nt

[Eleanors38]

233. Texas OC (white), or HPN Gun Club (black)?

[freshwest]

192. K&R. A comment at the link worth noting:

I, personally, do not want to be around paranoid whackjobs that feel the need to militarize the public grocery store.

Funny thing, these gunnuts are the ones pushing military-state conspiracies, are the very people trying to create just that. 


Been saying that for a long time myself.

[Travis_0004]

202. So instead of going to Kroger (a union store) I should go to walmart?

I shop at Kroger weekly. Ive never seen a person with a gun in one. If somebody was open carrying a rifle Im sure management would ask them to leave.

[WinkyDink]

210. Hmmmm...Like the manager of the OP's store?

[TBF]

220. I went to HEB instead today. nt

[WinkyDink]

203. OMG! I would be TERRIFIED if I saw such a sight in my store! WTH are these managers thinking?!

[leftyladyfrommo]

208. I would be out the front door so fast if I saw that.

Guns have no place in public places. It's too dangerous.

[LittleBlue]

212. OP I am disappointed. I expected to see an actual domestic terrorist.

Not open carry weirdos. Now, these types do have something wrong up in their heads. Thankfully not wrong enough to open fire like a domestic terrorist would.

[WinkyDink]

245. And you earned your degree in clairvoyance where? How do you know what this man will do?

[magical thyme]

228. Frankly, if I walked into the supermarket and some asshat was carrying a gun around

I'd leave pronto. And I wouldn't return, although I might phone them from a safe place (like my kitchen) and explain to them why I won't be returning to their store any time soon (or ever).

I think it really is that simple. No need for an ad campaign. People will vote with their feet and their wallets. In the meantime, I feel very sorry for their employees, who don't have such an easy choice.

[Calista241]

235. These people are a bunch of idiots.

Even if they did want to 'be prepared,' they're not even close. None of them appear to be carrying anything they might need if they were suddenly involved in a giant urban firefight in the Kroger.

No extra mags. No helmets to protect from shrapnel. Their rifle isn't even being carried in a ready position. It'll take that dude in the OP over 10 seconds to bring his rifle to bear. What the fuck kind of preparedness is that?

He's much more likely to get the fuck beaten out of him and his rifle stolen, than to be the guy that saves anyone from crime.

[WinkyDink]

246. Some people think they can tell by looking who will and who will not shoot (or murder, in general).

Some murderers depend on such foolish notions.

"Why, yes, I WILL help carry your books since your arm is in a sling, Ted!"

"Oh, you're from the gas company? Come in, Mr. De Salvo!"

[derby378]

248. Well, that does it. I'm shopping at a Kroger this weekend.

I don't open-carry my AK in any store - don't see the utility in it - but I'm going to walk into a Kroger supermarket next time I need supplies. I'll grab some bread, tortilla chips, Worcestershire sauce, maybe some lunchmeat, and then I'll take it up to the register, pay for my items, and leave. And do you know what will happen?

At worst, I'll get hassled for not having a Kroger Plus card.

"Domestic terrorists," my ass. If you think they're bullies, then by all means, stand up to them, but really...

[joeglow3]

249. I shop Kroger all the time and have NEVER seen a gun

37 years and counting. Much ado about nothing.